Helmet bill gains speed

[dapper]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/government/article/0,2777,DRMN_23906_5350085,00.html

"Requiring all Colorado kids to wear helmets on motorcycles will protect them from injury and death, while shielding taxpayers from soaring health care and Medicaid costs, a state lawmaker says."

[snatfinder]

I thought all children were already required to wear helmets...

[Badhabit]

Its a good place to start.

I can't imagine having many people on this board actually against wearing helmets. This is one restriction I actually agree with.

On the other hand, I think they need to repeal a minimum of two laws against something for every new law against something they pass. Is anything legal anymore?

[rforsythe]

I thought all children were already required to wear helmets...

Not to my knowledge... I think they just fall under the eye protection requirement like the rest of us.

[Sortarican]

Anyone else for graduated licensing too?

And do Harley helmet count?
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[CanyonCarver]

Yeah I am all for this, I read somewhere 90% of motorcycle death's are because the rider wasn't wearing a helmet!!:think:

[Vance]

Its a good place to start.

I can't imagine having many people on this board actually against wearing helmets. This is one restriction I actually agree with.

On the other hand, I think they need to repeal a minimum of two laws against something for every new law against something they pass. Is anything legal anymore?

Its not a factor of if people are against the idea of helmets --- so much as it is if people are against the idea of a government MANDATING they wear helmets. Individual responsibility. Individual decision making. Etc, etc, etc.

I'll never ride without one --- but if you want to be darwinian enough to crack your skull open because you want to look cool --- so be it I say.

[Devaclis]

Exactly, don't tell me what I have to do. Just educate me so I will want to do the right thing.

[Mental]

I always wear a helmet. But no where in any goverment document I am aware of did it state the goverment is here to protect me from myself. I am allowed to do stupid things.

I have never seen anyone every produced any substancial documentation that shows what texpayers actually have to payin a helmet state vs a non helmet state. I bet the stadium cost more. There are no health care cost assosiated with scaping up brains.

Helmets yes, helmet laws, no.

[snatfinder]

There's a guy I work with that is anti-helmet. I understand the whole not wanting helmet legislation(darwin, personal rights, etc.), but I do not understand being anti-helmet. The guy said a helmet keeps him from being able to hear the cars around him. Makes a lot of sense since I have no issues when I'm wearing plugs and a helmet...

[Beotch]

I had thought that insurance companies were trying to fight helmet laws...mostly because it is infinitly more expensive to pay out a life long care claim than it is to pay out death benefits.
Right, wrong, indifferent, I will never ride without my helmet....however i don't really wanna be told that I HAVE to wear it by someone else.

[The GECCO]

What is comical is that they are doing this under the guise of "protecting the taxpayers" from the high costs of caring for people injured when not wearing a helmet.

The problem with that logic is that a helmet only protects your head. Wearing a helmet on a bike is not like wearing seat belt in a car, it's more like wearing a seatbelt on an airplane.

When you get in a motorcycle accident (or any accident, for that matter) you come out of it in one of three categories:

A) uninjured, or minor injuries
B) massive, but survivable, injuries
C) Dead

Obviously, "B" is the most expensive category, especially when you consider the costs potentially borne by the public - the health care costs of the uninsured rider is passed on to the rest of us, but if someone dies w/o life insurance the rest of us aren't forced to pay the family a bunch of dough.

Studies done in states that passed helmet laws consistently show that after the helmet law takes effect, there is a greater number of people moving from "C" to "B", then there is that move from "B" to "A". Again, because the helmet only protects the head. People who would have died of head injuries w/o a helmet are now alive, but still have jacked up bodies that require care. So, the economic argument doesn't hold water, but it sure does sound good, doesn't it?

I hate the idea. I always wear a helmet, but that doesn't mean I think it's right for the government to tell everyone that they must if they don't want to.

[R1chie]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/government/article/0,2777,DRMN_23906_5350085,00.html

"Requiring all Colorado kids to wear helmets on motorcycles will protect them from injury and death, while shielding taxpayers from soaring health care and Medicaid costs, a state lawmaker says."

Yep, staying out of this one.

[The GECCO]

Exactly, don't tell me what I have to do. Just educate me so I will want to do the right thing.

It's not an issue of being "right" or "wrong". I don't want to put words in your mouth, but my thought along those lines is "give me the facts of both sides of the argument and then let me decide what to do". Isn't that pretty much the definition of freedom?

[dapper]

Exactly, don't tell me what I have to do. Just educate me so I will want to do the right thing. Ka-ching!
The gov't wants more non-tax deductible money. Our gov't wants all of us to become $afer, yet the gov't can't $ave themselfs from debt.

Aren't there enough laws to govern the people?

[The GECCO]

Yep, staying out of this one.
:bs: it won't be long, you'll be in here :lol:

[The GECCO]

Aren't there enough laws to govern the idiots?

You know, it it were possible to make laws that ONLY governed the idiots I'd be all over that, the problem is that they spill over and f**k it up for the rest of us!

[Badhabit]

Yeah, personal responsibility and all that, but we're talking about kids here!

I've only seen this once in Colorado, but in South Carolina it wasn't uncommon to see unhelmeted parents flying down the road on Harleys with their unhelmeted kids on the back.

The way I look at it, that's child endangerment.

I see what some of you are saying about not wanting the Government to interfere with our person decisions, but better this than most of the other shit they come up with. IMHO

[Devaclis]

Come on Rich, jump in, the water is fine :)

[The GECCO]

True, true....I just see it as a foot in the door for later changing the law to apply to everyone

[Beotch]

True, true....I just see it as a foot in the door for later changing the law to apply to everyone

I dunno...this kinda goes hand in hand with that other thread, but if you are took freaking stupid to know how or what to do to protect your children from harm (i.e. providing them with a helmet) then maybe you should not be raising them...

[The GECCO]

I dunno...this kinda goes hand in hand with that other thread, but if you are took freaking stupid to know how or what to do to protect your children from harm (i.e. providing them with a helmet) then maybe you should not be raising them...

Agreed, Mel. BUT, if the government was truly concerned with protecting children, the proposed law should read "persons under age 18/16/15 (whatever) are not allowed to ride on motorcycles". This isn't a "safe" pastime, and wearing a helmet only makes it marginally better.

[swademaster]

Doesn't matter to me if it is law or not. Growing up in NE, it was law and now I prefer to wear a helmet. The one thing I never could understand is why you don't have to wear a helmet when riding a MC, but you do have to use a seat belt when riding in a car.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

[quote=Mosquito Fogger]Anyone else for graduated licensing too?[quote]

Dude, we had HUGE discussion on the "tiered/graduated license" issue a long time ago. Ya missed out! I'm all for it though.

[rforsythe]

I am absolutely for graduated licensing. It has been tried with success elsewhere, and IMO does not fall under "too much control" - they already give you a license to ride as it is, the graduated license just makes sure you don't get in over your head too soon.

[Sortarican]

Dude, we had HUGE discussion on the "tiered/graduated license" issue a long time ago. Ya missed out! I'm all for it though.

I know I spoke with someone who knew the details (might have been you) about Great Britan's graduated licensing. Guess they really make you work for it.

Every time I see someone on here asking advice on good starter bikes it gives me hope for the future.
A 16 year old with a learners permit shouldn't be jumping on an R1 or Busa right outta the gate. Hell, I've been riding for 35 years and I can get myself in too much trouble on one.

When my nephews and grandaughter started driving/riding I never let them see me riding without a helmet. And when I got back into sports bikes I quit riding without one entirely.
I don't want to end up like Gary Busey:banghead: .

[Skadi]

I think there should be a helmet law period in this state. Not just for kids. I know there is not a single time I ride without a helmet on. No matter how much I trust myself, I don't trust others and I don't trust sand. And it would probably save a lot of lives from these GI's and 18 year olds who just go buy a bike and wear no gear (these are the ones you see in the news paper and on the news that died because they weren't wearing a helmet and they were acting stupid).

I'd be all for a helmet law for everyone, not just kids.

[64BonnieLass]

Screw a helmet law. Screw the Gov't for telling the American public how to be safe and how to do ANYTHING at all. Screw stupid parents for not mandating their children wear helmets. They will tell people anything they can come up with to "persuade" us into doing what they deem suitable and under ANY guise necessary to make the point.
Screw em to bits!

[TFOGGuys]

Screw a helmet law. Screw the Gov't for telling the American public how to be safe and how to do ANYTHING at all. Screw stupid parents for not mandating their children wear helmets. They will tell people anything they can come up with to "persuade" us into doing what they deem suitable and under ANY guise necessary to make the point.
Screw em to bits!

BRAVO! Let's all endorse the concept of personal responsibility! You wanna ride without a helmet? Fine...but be prepared to accept the consequences. When did the Government STOP doing their job as mandated by the Constitution, and become babysitters for a nation of whining irresponsible brats? I will continue to encourage all riders that I come into contact with to wear appropriate protective gear, but I can't endorse yet another onerous law that will be selectively enforced for the purposes of revenue enhancement. </rant>

Anyone got a cookie?:yumyum:

[Sortarican]

.... When did the Government STOP doing their job as mandated by the Constitution, and become babysitters for a nation of whining irresponsible brats? ......

Speaking as member of the whining irresponsible brat contingent, I want the government to tell me what I should and should not do.
They've always done such a good job in the past.

I enjoy the comfort that Draconian government contol provides me with.
It allows me the freedom to concentrate on the more important issues like Reality TV, Anna Nicole Smith's autopsy, and my ongoing study to determining if Diet Dr. Pepper really does tastes more like regular Dr. Pepper.

Sheep of the world unite!
(or don't....no biggie either way.)

[Bueller]

Helmutz suk!
I's never were 1 an I's Otay

[Kitelovers]

I never wear a helmet!:)

[Skadi]

wow, that's something a squid would do. Well atleast you won't live through an accident to say "I wish I wasn't an idiot and wore a helmet"

[Beotch]

I never wear a helmet!:)

Hallelujah!!!! Natural Selection DOES work! (or will eventually)

P.S. Kite: if you really want to join to find friends, people to ride with, lesbian lovers....maybe not filling EVERY post with bullshit would be something to consider.

[DevilsTonic]

I never wear a helmet!:)Good!

[Kitelovers]

Yes, I shall be organizing a helmetless ride for members of the club.....Disclaimer: this will be an unauthorized, unsponsored ride by CSC!.:)

[Brizz]

Yes, I shall be organizing a helmetless ride for members of the club.....Disclaimer: this will be an unauthorized, unsponsored ride by CSC!.:)

So i hope you like riding by your self....LOL

[dapper]

Yes, I shall be organizing a helmetless ride for members of the club.....Disclaimer: this will be an unauthorized, unsponsored ride by CSC!.:) Sounds like a charity ride to me...

[elbromisto]

You can't fight evolution. Let people smoke, drink, and eat what they want, and let people ride without helmets. Before long the world will be filled with sane people who know limits and make rational decisions.

[Sonic Boom]

If you are under the age of 21 (Like me) and you are endorsed to ride a motorcycle you MUST wear a helmet, Insurance or not. (Not sure about the insurance laws in CO, it's not required here but I carry it on my 109 just in case) If the cop here feels like being an asshole, he can impound my bike if i'm not wearing a helmet, and there's a chance I wont get it back.

After 21, according to the Florida law, gravity no longer applies to you and you do not have to wear a helmet. :dunno:

Floridas' government is about as sharp as a fucking cheerio.

Someone told me that if you're not wearing a helmet, then you have nothing worth protecting. I wear a full face and an armored jacket everytime. 50F to 105F degrees, I always gear up.

[Skadi]

I wear a full face and an armored jacket everytime. 50F to 105F degrees, I always gear up.

:applause: good call. I'm ALWAYS wearing gear. Law or not. Not wearing gear is just stupid. I don't trust any drivers..they never check their blind spot and they always pull out right infront of you. Screw that noise.

[DrQ]

You can't fight evolution. Let people smoke, drink, and eat what they want, and let people ride without helmets. Before long the world will be filled with sane people who know limits and make rational decisions.

The beauty of natural selection!

[Toner]

You can't fight evolution. Let people smoke, drink, and eat what they want, and let people ride without helmets. Before long the world will be filled with sane people who know limits and make rational decisions.

:imwithstupid: I want the government to protect me from others, but not from myself!

[Jackal]

Screw a helmet law. Screw the Gov't for telling the American public how to be safe and how to do ANYTHING at all. Screw stupid parents for not mandating their children wear helmets. They will tell people anything they can come up with to "persuade" us into doing what they deem suitable and under ANY guise necessary to make the point.
Screw em to bits!

It isn't really the "GOVERNMENT" - the government being some faceless entity - it is the many people in this country who feel they have to impose their views on others and FORCE everyone to conform to what they think is "normal". Anyone who supports such a law is such a person, I'm sure many of these clones will read this.

[Snowman]

I wouldn’t be opposed to a law that would protect children by making them wear helmets. In fact I can see laws were no one can ride under the age of 16 even as a passenger on a street bike. Street bikes, even Harleys where not designed to let kid ride. They can’t reach foot pegs etc… Unless you are talking about fully loaded Goldings but even then they would be vulnerable to side impact.

That a side, when it comes to those we assume to be responsible adults then the issue of freedom comes into play. Any law that limits choice (no matter how stupid the choice) I’m not for. I will agree seatbelts and helmets save lives, but they are not required to operate a vehicle safely. But on the otherhand eye protection and hand held cell phone use are things that do effect how a vehicle is piloted, so I can see laws concerning them.

Which brings me to the bigger issue of Organ Donation. In America several people who need a transplant die every day because there are not enough organs to go around. So donate today by not wearing a seatbelt or helmet the life you safe will be someone else’s.

[~Barn~]

:applause: good call. I'm ALWAYS wearing gear. Law or not. Not wearing gear is just stupid. I don't trust any drivers..they never check their blind spot and they always pull out right infront of you. Screw that noise.


I actually enjoy the ocassional ride w/out gear. I'm not gonna go lay down a canyon strafe or anything stupid like that, but I'm not gonna lie... There's not much I like more than having freshly washed my rig, and throwing a leg over to go pose around on a warm summer evening in my T-shirt and jeans. Maybe a cruise into Denver, out to Boulder, whatever... It's fun for me.

That being said, I have gear too, and 90+ percent of the time, I'm wearing it.

And that being said, I always ride safely in respect to traffic. (read: I don't stay in blind spots) and I don't stick around cars that look like they even have the *chance* of cutting me off. It's just an experience thing. After enough miles, you eventually just know what to do, to take those possibilities out of the hands of the cagers we are so often critical of. At least to as much a degree as possible.

Eitherway... decide how you ride and do your thing. Do your best to respect passengers and definitely children who may not know better. :up:

[Kitelovers]

I actually enjoy the ocassional ride w/out gear. I'm not gonna go lay down a canyon strafe or anything stupid like that, but I'm not gonna lie... There's not much I like more than having freshly washed my rig, and throwing a leg over to go pose around on a warm summer evening in my T-shirt and jeans. Maybe a cruise into Denver, out to Boulder, whatever... It's fun for me.

That being said, I have gear too, and 90+ percent of the time, I'm wearing it.

And that being said, I always ride safely in respect to traffic. (read: I don't stay in blind spots) and I don't stick around cars that look like they even have the *chance* of cutting me off. It's just an experience thing. After enough miles, you eventually just know what to do, to take those possibilities out of the hands of the cagers we are so often critical of. At least to as much a degree as possible.

Eitherway... decide how you ride and do your thing. Do your best to respect passengers and definitely children who may not know better. :up:
So Barn.....does that mean your joining my unsponsored ride????:)

[~Barn~]

Sorry... I'd have to ride pillion, since I can't pilot my own right now. And I don't think I'll be doing any gearless passenger'ing anytime soon.
:lol:

[daemon]

i am a transfer from illinois and yet after an 8 year hiatus from riding one of the conditions of some of my family was that i would wear gear all the time.
to this day i can't count on my fingers how many times i have gone out without it.
i know my riding style and i know that it is excessive.
in the past i was an idiot.
more to the fact that if you don't wanna wear gear(not just helm)it's your life and we shouldn't have to pay for your mistake

[dm_gsxr]

After 21, according to the Florida law, gravity no longer applies to you and you do not have to wear a helmet. :dunno:

Floridas' government is about as sharp as fucking cheerio.

I don't think it's a gravity issue vs the rider being old enough to take responsibility for his (or her) actions. That's not to say you're not responsible but that they had to pick some age and 21 seemed ok vs 18 or 16 (or 13 in Alabama :D ).

And you need to have $10,000 in medical coverage before you can ride without a helmet although I don't know how they'd know until after an accident.

Carl

[dm_gsxr]

I took issue with the final comment in the article and sent the writer a quick note. Basically it said (read the article) that fatalities were on the increase. I pointed him to a 2003 DOT article that said fatalities in the 20-29 age range were declining and that the fatalities for the 40 and up were on the increase along with bike displacement size. The over 40 were also more likely to die because of poor riding skills (failure to negotiate a curve) or drinking. I suspect it's the boomers getting on their first big Hog or getting back into riding and getting that HD they always wanted. I suggested that if new riders, regardless of age, would attend a safety class (like MSF), the number of fatalities would decline again.

I also pointed out that there's been an increase in SUV's and Pickups on the road. In an accident, a biker hitting a car would have lower body damage and/or be flung over the car and into the road. But for an SUV or pickup you'd have overall body damage due to the size of the vehicle which would increase the chance of a fatality.

:) I also said I was a 49yo Hayabusa rider and wear a full suit and gear for commuting and day rides but would wear just a jacket and gear for local scoots (groceries, gym, etc).

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/motorcycle03/recent.htm

He thanked me for the feedback and the link and might use it in a future article.

Carl

[Sonic Boom]

I don't think it's a gravity issue vs the rider being old enough to take responsibility for his (or her) actions. That's not to say you're not responsible but that they had to pick some age and 21 seemed ok vs 18 or 16 (or 13 in Alabama :D ).

And you need to have $10,000 in medical coverage before you can ride without a helmet although I don't know how they'd know until after an accident.

Carl

I know what you mean, I just think that if you're going to have a helmet law, make it for everyone or dont make one at all... or make it so that the younger generation cannot ride until 21. I've seen plenty of older guys and girls do some stupid shit on their bikes just as much as I have the younger crowd.

Saying "ok... you're old enough to ride a bike, but we know you're going to get in accident (because you're too immature to ride a bike) so you have to wear your gear until you're 21 when you're legally allowed to drink" is quite possibly one of the most inane, idiotic laws i've ever heard of.

I have observed that most people my age have steadily decreased in common sense as they approach the age of 21, so making a law that protects them from their own inadequcacies, or lack of riding ability(s), until they are 21 makes no sense at all. Base it on years of safe driving/riding history, but the DMV and licenses bureau will never do that because well.... I really dont know why they wont do it. It makes sense. :dunno:

I dont know about how most people were when they were my age (18-21), but my weekends are filled with drinking, partying and when I'm sober, riding. And taking the Lords name in vain.

And I'm not even legally allowed to drink yet.(19) Well I take that back, I am old enough to drink, just not old enough to get caught. ;)

I have never taken a drink and gotten behind my handlebars or my steering wheel and I never will.

I just like to make fun of Florida because, well most people here are idiots. Especially our esteemed local government.

[64BonnieLass]

Sooooo....Is there anything we can do as a SportBike Club to stand up against this potential law being enacted? I don't know much about petitions and the like or if there is anyway for us to be heard. Anyone have any ideas? Or would anyone be interested in such a thought?

[Brizz]

What you must remember is that no matter what we say they are gonna do what they want either way..The law will be passed by someone who dont even own a bike or ride...More than likely they have had a bad experience an dnow they are on a trip against em...my .02

[64BonnieLass]

Being passive on the subject will "most definitely do no one any favors". Standing up one voice at a time will at least allow us to be heard on the matter. Assuming it's even possible to pursue such an idea.

[~Barn~]

Sooooo....Is there anything we can do as a SportBike Club to stand up against this potential law being enacted? I don't know much about petitions and the like or if there is anyway for us to be heard. Anyone have any ideas? Or would anyone be interested in such a thought?

I don't know about "as a sportbike club", but yes.... You can definitely be heard.

Write to the members Colorado's legislature and express your feelings to them. Tell them that you wish to support candidates and law makers that feel *this way* about this issue. Ask them to tell you what their stance is.

During election times, support candidates who you feel believe similarly to the way you do. Encourage others to do the same.

In short, spend a little time and energy to do what you can to put people in office who are going to best represent you. It's not a perfect science, but it's what you can do.

[dapper]

http://www.colorado.gov/colorado-get-involved/participate-government.html
Write your State Representative, call them, etc.

A shot on goal is never a bad shot.


http://www.lets-ride.com/news.htm
Colorado Helmet Bill - Immediate action required
Colorado House Bill 07-1117 has passed the T&E committee with an 8-5 vote. The vote went strictly down party lines. The bill has been amended as follows: HB07-1117 be amended as follows, and as so amended, be referred to
the Committee of the Whole with favorable
recommendation:
--snip--

We need to take notice. This is the first step. We MUST defeat this bill. We had a decent showing at the committee hearing, however, not the support I expected. I understand we all have jobs, but only 20 of us were there to testify and I greatly appreciate those of you that attended. ABATE has 100 times that number as members. Where was everyone? Do you think this bill is no big deal? Think again!! Next year we will ALL be wearing helmets mandated by our government if we don't defeat this bill now. If you don't care about your rights, you once again will take no action. Those of you that DO CARE, we need everyone to contact their respective legislators and urge them to vote NO on HB-1117. We need to defeat this bill on the House floor. It will be up for 2nd reading on Monday February 12, 2007 If you believe in our rights, take action and email or call your Representative and ask for a no vote on HB-1117. The time to act is NOW!!! Please distribute this email. ABATE's formal position is posted on the ABATE web site under position papers, you are welcome to use any or all of the information on that page. If you don't know who your Rep is, you can find the info at Project Vote Smart - American Government, Elections, Candidates and Voting (http://votesmart.org/index.htm) type in your zip code on the left hand side.

Terry Howard
ABATE of Colorado
State Coordinator
303-789-3264"

[Mac020]

Under 18 wear a helmet! Otherwise YOU should have the right to decide! Sometimes I wear a helmet, sometimes I don't. But that should still be MY choice! If Darwin wants to get involved that's fine by me.

[Sonic Boom]

Why are people in cars forced to wear seatbelts, but people on bikes arent forced to wear helmets? I think if it's going to be optional for us, it should be optional for cagers.

[Kitelovers]

Under 18 wear a helmet! Otherwise YOU should have the right to decide! Sometimes I wear a helmet, sometimes I don't. But that should still be MY choice! If Darwin wants to get involved that's fine by me.
So I take it that you will be joining my helmetless unsponsored CSC ride??:drink:

[Bueller]

Why are people in cars forced to wear seatbelts, but people on bikes aren't forced to wear helmets? I think if it's going to be optional for us, it should be optional for cagers.
Because that law passed without enough opposition. They chip away at our freedoms, they don't take them all at once.

When we were kids we rode dirt bikes all the time, daily after school and eventually to school. We hardly ever wore helmets, unless we went to the "Turtle Bowl" (free community MX track in Arvada).

The government will eventually dictate everything in your lives (but you will still be allowed to talk on a cell phone while driving) it's just a matter of time.

I too enjoy riding around the local neighborhood streets, lidless in tennies and t-shirt on quick errands to the bank or the store for a bottle of Geritol, knowing all to well what would happen in a worse case senario.

I have crashed at the track in severial different styles at assorted speeds and walked away from all but one (knapped all the way to the hospital), due to the gear I was wearing, so I know it save lives and skin, but it is my choice.

I would never go balls to the wall or head out on a canyon ride without a helmet, but if I wanted to I want to have that right.

As far as kids having to wear a helmet, I agree with a previous statement, if you are worried about the childs wefare, they shouldn't be on a bike in the first place, they are dangerous!

[Kitelovers]

Aha.............looks like we have another member for our unsponsored CSC helmetless ride!!!

[Brizz]

Is there a way that you could disappear in to an empty abyss? I think is become very apparent that your not wanted here. No one other than my self has responded to your mindless chatter.. Get the hint that im telling you.
Besides even if you did host this event you wouldnt even show up for it.. So why are you wasting space here? Your a bandwidth thief...

[64BonnieLass]

Because that law passed without enough opposition. They chip away at our freedoms, they don't take them all at once.

The government will eventually dictate everything in your lives (but you will still be allowed to talk on a cell phone while driving) it's just a matter of time.

As far as kids having to wear a helmet, I agree with a previous statement, if you are worried about the childs wefare, they shouldn't be on a bike in the first place, they are dangerous!

My thoughts exactly Bueller - You could not have said it better. And Dan, thank you for posing up the links.

[Kitelovers]

Is there a way that you could disappear in to an empty abyss? I think is become very apparent that your not wanted here. No one other than my self has responded to your mindless chatter.. How does the saying go? Great minds think alike? remember Jon.....forget about your elbows......just keep them and your upper body loose and you cut those lap times.:)

[Brizz]

Well one thing that is different between us..Your days are numbered...

[Kitelovers]

Well one thing that is different between us..Your days are numbered...I can accept that both here and in my work!! Can you?

[Brizz]

Do you really wanna do this again today? You are not who your pretending to be. If you wanna live vicariously thru me thats fine, But to think mydays on this planet are numbered your crazy..How ever your days on this board are numbered...You might as well start counting down...

[Kitelovers]

10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1...............waiting

Seriously, if you want me to help you with your riding.....I can!:)

[Brizz]

How can you help if you dont ride or own a bike...

Tick-tock

[*GSXR~SNAIL*]

Why are people in cars forced to wear seatbelts, but people on bikes arent forced to wear helmets? I think if it's going to be optional for us, it should be optional for cagers.

I have to agree with ya. I've never understood the inconsistencies in mandating safety between the two. If it's a vehicle primarily used for transportation from point A to point B, and the government dictates the use of safety belts for cagers, then why aren't helmets required for motorcycles...or the other way around. If helmets are optional, why aren't safety belts?

The government will eventually dictate everything in your lives (but you will still be allowed to talk on a cell phone while driving) it's just a matter of time.

Maybe some elements of the government are catching up? http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jan2006/20060105_3844.html
It mentions,
"The new regulation, published in the Federal Register in April 2005, states that anyone driving a motor vehicle on a DoD installation cannot use a cell phone unless the vehicle is safely parked or the driver is using a hands-free device."

[Brizz]

On a real note, I think a helmet law isnt needed..If you dont wear one then you know you have nothing to lose...But you should also have the choice to make such a decision...Unless of course your the latter and dont have anything to protect, the as said before Darwin will take ahold and fix the situation.

[Kitelovers]

How can you help if you dont ride or own a bike...

Tick-tockLet me know if this helps......it's a proven sequence for entering a turn on the track:
The Sequence

1. Gas goes off.
2. Brake goes on.
3. Bike slows some.
4. Clutch comes in.
Maintain brake lever pressure.
5. Blip the gas rapidly on and off. (Usually no more than a quarter turn).
Maintain brake lever pressure.
6. During the blip make the gear change positively and quickly.
Maintain brake lever pressure.
7. Clutch comes out.
Maintain brake lever pressure until desired turn entry speed is achieved.
8. Release brake smoothly
There's lot's more if you have the humility to learn from a girl. Do Ya? The key is maintaining constant pressure while blipping through the gears at the same time. No charge.:)

[Brizz]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a329/Briz781/stageretard.jpg

[Kitelovers]

Where did you find my picture?? :siesta:

[Brizz]

Well im good a digging things up...Not unlike your self.

[Kitelovers]

Well, thanks for the effort....I'm worth it. FYI: I never ride w/o my helmet.:)

[Brizz]

Well you never ride so im sure you dont a bike or helmet...Im still waiting for your meds to wear off...Reality will set in soon enough..

[Kitelovers]

Well you never ride so im sure you dont a bike or helmet...Im still waiting for your meds to wear off...Reality will set in soon enough..OK....whatever you say Jon Pet.:)

[Brizz]

Trust me im not your pet...

[Kitelovers]

You are if I say you are!!!!!!! But I'm getting cranky now and a little bored with you so I'll be back later as this is a very serious thread! According to Bonnelass.:siesta:

[Brizz]

Im not bored with you yet...Please continue to grace us with your knowledge of something you know nothing about...Why dont you tell the class what the Ranger creed is, or how Selection went...Maybe you could explain to all of us what SEAR school is...

[~Barn~]

Ban both of these clowns.

:lol:

j/k Brizz.

[Brizz]

Ban both of these clowns.

:lol:

j/k Brizz.

Aint I already banned?:siesta:

[#1Townie]

i thought barn was banned.... i cant keep up.....

as for the helmet shit..... it will pass.... maybe not today or even this year but hey look at new york.... they have banned typs of food.... FOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!! other countrys are starving and we are out lawing food that is not good for you.... oooooo you want to own a pit bull noooooooo that dog has been found to be a danger to people but hey you can go down to the bike shop and buy a bike that can take you 160 mph.... see this is the problem with this country today on one hand you have this group that is all pissed about bikes and their insurance rates and blah blah blah..... some ass hole just got shot like a block from my house.... i will bet he has no insurance..... even more for sure they wont catch the guy that shot him..... so who pays that.... ooooooooooo damn the tax payers do..... how about hit and run car accidents.....

you know what its like 330 am and i shouldnt be typing.... i say enough stupid shit when im fully awake...

[*GSXR~SNAIL*]

http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/assets/aclu-pizza/

[R1chie]

http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/assets/aclu-pizza/

Want to stop this from happening? Vote Republican :lol:

[livinlife2themax]

You guys act like it is a surprise that they are trying to do this. I mean they have stupid laws on everything else i.e. drinkin have to be 21 smoking have ot be 18. i have said this before and i will say it again, if i can be sent to iraq to fight for this country shouldnt i be able to drink a beer? It is sad that i was allowed to drink coming back from there, because we were not in the USA....but as soon as i got back again i was not "legally" allowed to drink. If they pass this law it wont be any different from any other law....people will still do wha tthey want, but now they will have to pay a fee or a "fine" to do it. I personally wear a helmet, because i dont trust the dumbass who is driving in a car that is unable to multitask. I also know on other occasions i might drive a little aggresivley...so might as well take the precautions...if i do die, at least my face wont be all nasty at the funeral...Either way it doesnt matter how much we fight it, they are gonna do what they think is in our best interest, and if we dont like what they think is in our best interest then we have to pay a fee or better known as a fine/ticket/points off a license.

[Devaclis]

It is kind of smug in here.

[Snowman]

Want to stop this from happening? Vote Republican :lol:
Hmm... Wasn’t it a Republican (I use the term loosely) President and a Republican Congress that instituted something called the Patriot Act that can gather this kind of information on Americans?

[Sonic Boom]

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

[Snowman]

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic...
Na, not our R1chie boy, he’s more conservative than Michael Moore is lliberal.

[~Barn~]

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

Nah... Richie is our resident rightie around these parts.
(think: waaaay right)

Stick around awhile and watch his work. It's really quite interesting at times.

[~Barn~]

Nevermind... Snowball covered it.

[Sonic Boom]

So... I guess i'm the 2nd NRA card carrying republican here? hahaha..

I guess i'm the new guy showing his ass... eh...

[TFOGGuys]

Want to stop this from happening? Vote Republican :lol:

Better yet, vote Libertarian. The Democramps and Republican'ts have failed miserably, why not let someone else have a turn?

I'm ducking and running now.....