Denver Metro Area Poll

[swademaster]

Just to see what everybody wants. Maybe it will make a difference, maybe not.

[Beotch]

I think metro is metro...we are all in Denver somewhere, only like 30-45 minutes from each other max. I think the events are such that those in westminster will participate just as much as those in Highlands Ranch or Parker.

[GDrider]

I think combined is the way to go. Whoever set up this forum has way too many sections. The less sectinos there are, the more prone people are to read it. I would not even look in mayn of the different are sectinons, but if it was all one simple, Denver metro area section, i would look at it regularly and actually participate in the forums and meets more often.

Just my two cents..

[King Nothing]

i voted for combined just to spite the north guys who've been bitching since the forums got combined.

[Feathered upstart!]

How about we peserate it by block? Or street? :idea:

[mikesf4i]

peserate?

[Wahooman]

You guys are pretty funny........
We are not bitching, but rather stating opinions on something that was working just fine. The north central forum was a place to go and actually find posts on riding and a good group. Made it easier and many of the people only posted there just to stay clear of all the crap everywhere else.
Its not that "we" don't want to be part of the whole metro thing, but it was a convienance. Anyway, I vote to close all the forums and put everything in one forum....that way you won't miss anything going on at all. And when you close those, we could create more areas that are for only VIP guests where the majority can not read anyway???????
As far as being a contributer to gain access to VIP, everyone contributes in a different way. I guess organizing and ordering all of the CSC clothes is nothing huge.....just takes a ton of my personal time, .....but that is not my point. My point is where do you draw the line? Even if I was elgible for VIP I don't want access. That is the stuff that supposedly is not promoted by CSC? Anyway that was a tangent......combining the forums took something away that was working well and open to anyone. The results of it don't seem to be positive in any light.
My .05 ;)

[Nick_Ninja]

VIP anything sucks. It's not what you know it's who you blow.

[Devaclis]

If you know me, you are VIP

[Anonymous]

Look in case you missed it, the costs of running this place AREN'T PASSED ON TO YOU as members! They come out of MY POCKET, and it isn't that deep. Wahoo I am sorry I spaced out adding you to the "VIP" access for your contributions with the shirts - the people who can get in there already are part of what is not intended to be a complete list by any means. I made the VIP access as some sort of benefit to the people who help defray the costs of this place in some way and otherwise help keep the club running smooth - it has nothing to do with being a popularity contest, and I assure you Jeff I have not received blowjobs from anyone on this site except Bertha (and occasionally, Big-J).

I am contemplating uncombining the forums, since (despite a *combined* total of two pages of threads for these highly used pieces of cyberspace) people sure got some deep emotional trauma from the whole thing. However the threads from one were put in the other and the software doesn't have a way to "backtrack", so doing that will require moving a lot of them around (or just deleting the majority, which are probably old and obsolete anyway), so don't expect this to happen overnight.

Curtis, Jason, etc - stop postwhoring the damn wanted forum and other areas with this please. As much as you guys bitch about the "crap level" on certain areas of this site, you aren't helping by adding to it.

[CHuck U Farley]

Dont give in to the pressure Ralph more people like it better this way anway.

[Brizz]

And now heres something i hope you really like~Bullwinkle show
http://img63.exs.cx/img63/7681/baldretard0fz.jpg

[~Barn~]

Thanks Ralph. I know how much Tom, Curtis, Jason, Wade, Harrington, and others enjoyed the North-Central Forum. I enjoyed it too.

It was as close to "their forum" as any forum is. (Which was the point, I have to assume). So I guess I just can empathize with them, the feeling of having that taken away.

But anyway, if you're considering making S-Central and N-Central again, I'm sure we can all patiently allow you to run that course and say our thank you's if/when it happens.

And if not, oh well. It’s your show.

[swademaster]

I'm not gonna sit around and piss and moan about it if doesn't get changed back. I'm just saying that some of us liked it better the old way. I have gotten to know the guys up here a little better than the rest and enjoy getting together for rides. It's not that we can't still do that but it just seems easier to keep up on a thread when the forums where seperate.

It seems like we are all getting "cabin fever." I know I am.

[Nick_Ninja]

I'm not gonna sit around and piss and moan about it if doesn't get changed back. I'm just saying that some of us liked it better the old way. I have gotten to know the guys up here a little better than the rest and enjoy getting together for rides. It's not that we can't still do that but it just seems easier to keep up on a thread when the forums where seperate.

It seems like we are all getting "cabin fever." I know I am.

You need a beer bro. :cheers: :guinness:

[swademaster]

I'm not gonna sit around and piss and moan about it if doesn't get changed back. I'm just saying that some of us liked it better the old way. I have gotten to know the guys up here a little better than the rest and enjoy getting together for rides. It's not that we can't still do that but it just seems easier to keep up on a thread when the forums where seperate.

It seems like we are all getting "cabin fever." I know I am.

You need a beer bro. :cheers: :guinness:


Yep. An ice cold Bud sounds good.

[Wahooman]

Ralph, again do what you want. It looks like the majority like it combined...as to why I don't know because they all didn't post in N.C. Again its not the end of the world just voicing opinions on why it was removed and what took its place is all.
As far as costs involved with the site, yes i know we pay nothing and it is appreciated. But that is not the point I/We were trying to make.
As far as postwhoring.....just having fun. Appears Tom was doing it too......but wouldn't want to upset a sponsor now would we? ;)
All in all its fine and we can drop it at that. We can continue to post we so chosen in the metro area...a.ka. General II.

[Quick636]

Your missing the point, Ralph.

The point of all this is that you took something away that many of us enjoyed. Your reasoning was to "save space"... but yet you create more forums (VIP) which seem to me serve even less purpose as the north central did. Then you claim its combined so nobody will be alienated, but yet you alienate everyone with the creation of this VIP crap.

Speaking of VIP... who do you think ordered all those carquest filters a certain race team ran last year? ME. And who convinced their boss to order cases of oil that wasn't even going to be sold, it was being GIVEN away. Yeah, me again. Many people have contributed to this club, and to you personally. I could care less about your VIP forum and if I can get in it, but lets be honest about why it was created in the first place.

Nobody is disputing that this is your show to run Ralph, all we ask is that you keep everyone in mind when you are claiming to make things better.

[~Barn~]

In all fairness to Ralph, I do think that he is considering making the S. and N-Central again.

He does understand why people want it back, so I'd hate to see him lose that notion, or just get sick of it all and not do it, to spite ya'll.

[Anonymous]

Hey, this poll doesn't have an "I don't care either way" option!!! :lol:

One of the reasons I saw for combining the two forums is that there is no other demographic region that is split by north, south, east or west. We are the Colorado Sportbike Club, after all. Granted, most of our members are from the Denver metro area, so I could see that as a reason to have it split.

Of course, one option that might be considered as a solution for a single forum is, if somebody is creating a new topic that is specific to the north or south, then put that somewhere in the subject line - that will help people filter out topics they're not interested in. If it applies to the entire metro area, then either don't mention anything in the subject, or specify that it's for north & south.

I know this puts a lot of onus on the the people that post here (or at least the ones that start posts), but it is something to consider.

the software doesn't have a way to "backtrack", so doing that will require moving a lot of them around (or just deleting the majority, which are probably old and obsolete anyway), so don't expect this to happen overnight.:idea: Perhaps looking at who started the thread might help determine which one it belongs in?

[Anonymous]

Your missing the point, Ralph.

I don't think I am...

The point of all this is that you took something away that many of us enjoyed. Your reasoning was to "save space"... but yet you create more forums (VIP) which seem to me serve even less purpose as the north central did. Then you claim its combined so nobody will be alienated, but yet you alienate everyone with the creation of this VIP crap.

Well, having two forums that together make all of 40 or so threads, is what drove the "save space" thing. It had nothing to do with making room for any other forums, which had already been in existence (just not visible) for a couple of months taking up space on my screen. I never said anything to my knowledge about not alienating anyone, however apparently the five of you that used the forums were more attached to them than I thought, hence the reason (as I stated above!) I'm considering un-combining them. You know, a couple hours of work so that you don't feel alienated or whatever.

Speaking of VIP... who do you think ordered all those carquest filters a certain race team ran last year? ME. And who convinced their boss to order cases of oil that wasn't even going to be sold, it was being GIVEN away. Yeah, me again.

How am I supposed to know this? I sent Tom an email asking for some help on oil filters. He gave me some. That was it. If you spent a day ordering them, this is the first I'm hearing about it. As for the oil, I didn't get any of that... Sorry. (I'm ok with it, just pointing that out - Bob and I have different teams.)

Many people have contributed to this club, and to you personally. I could care less about your VIP forum and if I can get in it, but lets be honest about why it was created in the first place.

Yes let's be honest, because you are waaay overboard here. You seem to think I have a bunch of members on their knees in front of me, or that it's some kind of friggen popularity contest. Believe it or not, I actually did that *with no favoritism involved*. Did I overlook some people getting access? Sure. Nobody's perfect and I don't claim to be. As I see people who should be in there I try to add them. That's that with that.

I created that space in an attempt to create a less-moderated area which, in my hopes, would draw some of the useless shit out of General and other areas, thus improving the quality of the information on this site. Consider that before you get all bent out of shape.

Nobody is disputing that this is your show to run Ralph, all we ask is that you keep everyone in mind when you are claiming to make things better.

That is all I've ever done. Sometimes my plans don't work like I think they will, but at least I give it a go. When they're clearly upsetting members who add to the value of the forum, I consider putting things back (i.e. uncombining the forums) as I have the time to do so. Not sure what else you want here...

Wahoo - Spare me the "sponsor ass-kissing" comments please. I deleted your post because I was letting you have the fun with the one that Tom posted (and found some humor in it myself), however when it turned into multiple posts I removed the excess. The fact that Tom created the first one and sponsors me, never even entered my mind.

Jesus f'n christ people. Drink some decaf, put down "Moderator Conspiracy Theories and Online Power Trips 101", and realize that just because I do something which you don't like, doesn't mean I (a) hate you, (b) like anyone better, or (c) am doing it out of some sort of favoritism. Every change I've ever made here was out of an attempt to improve things in some way for everyone - this may detract in others as we find out after the fact, but shit happens. We'll fix it and move on...

[Anonymous]

"Moderator Conspiracy Theories and Online Power Trips 101"
:lol:

[Gramps]

Letter to the Editor(Ralph)

A few posts ago, you stated that you combined the forums because you did not get the result you were looking for. I would like for you to tell me what that result was. I am not being a smart ass here, I am just curious.

The reason I am curious is because I think you have been very successful at introducing a group of people with a like intrest, who enjoy contributing to the larger group. You should be flattered that the people who posted in the North-Central forum care enough about this group to keep spending time trying to make it better. You created something larger than a forum when you created the North Central. I think you created a club within a club. This is not a bad thing and probably would have happened anyway. As a club within a club the North Central group look out for our fellow members. We just became a little tighter knit than maybe some of the other groups within the club. We have not excluded anyone from coming to ride with us or even become part of our circle, it has just evolved.

I don't think anyone has ever complained about this circle of North Central people until all of a sudden one day our forum was gone. On the contrary I think anyone who ever came to ride with us really enjoyed the type riding we do. We try to take care of the newbie's and persuade them to do the right things. We discourage unhealthy showboating and bad decision making. We go over the major rules before the rides and make sure they are understood. Last year we had no accidents and no tickets, so we must be doing something right.

Are we a little selfish? Maybe I do appoligize for your loss of time to re split the forums. My time is valuable to me also. My suggestion there is that you just split them up and purge the old stuff. The only thing in there that can't be reposted if need be is the post about our trip to Deal's Gap.

Again, don't feel like there are a group of selfish guys and girls up north that are "whining" because we didn't get our way. To someone who may be a little shallow and non thinking that is what it looks like. I think what you really have here is a group of people who actually care about the club and the forum. You should be flatterd to be the facilitator of such a group of people.

[DeKay]

Even though the majority disagree, I believe he said he was going to put it back like it was when he got the time. :dunno:

[Boy Scout]

Whoever set up this forum has way too many sections. The less sectinos there are, the more prone people are to read it. I would not even look in mayn of the different are sectinons, but if it was all one simple, Denver metro area section, i would look at it regularly and actually participate in the forums and meets more often.
Please tell me that you don't read CSC section-by-section :o . Try "View Posts Since Last Visit". For the most part, I am not even aware of how many sections there are, however, there are times when I am looking for something in particular and either Search for it or browse through the appropriate section such as when looking for rides in my area or something related to my bike.

[swademaster]

Look in case you missed it, the costs of running this place AREN'T PASSED ON TO YOU as members! They come out of MY POCKET, and it isn't that deep.


I'm not gonna say that I didn't realize it cost anything to run this site, but I have no idea what it costs. I do appreciate that you spend your own time and money to keep it going.

At the TLPlanet members can make donations to help keep the site going. Maybe this is something that the CSC could consider. My pockets are not very deep either, but would help out with what I enjoy when I can.

I have met some good people through the CSC and always have a good time riding at going to a CSC event. That is way I joined, not sit around and post on here all the time.

As for the VIP forum, I could care less about it. I'm not allowed there and don't care. There are lots of things on here that I don't read and that would be another.

[~Barn~]

Just read your post Gramps, and you hit on something very important...



I don't think anyone has ever complained about this circle of North Central people until all of a sudden one day our forum was gone. On the contrary I think anyone who ever came to ride with us really enjoyed the type riding we do. We try to take care of the newbie's and persuade them to do the right things. We discourage unhealthy showboating and bad decision making. We go over the major rules before the rides and make sure they are understood. Last year we had no accidents and no tickets, so we must be doing something right.

This is *so* true, and I'm glad you brought it up. I can't remember the number of times when talking to newbies or just people from our neck of the woods, about your group rides, and encouraging them to consider attending. You guys really did have a unique "style" per se, in how you conducted your rides and made sure everybody left how they arrived.

It must have been subconscious or something, at the time, but after reading this, that's exactly why I was telling them to "Check North-Central". Great point, and I'm looking forward to more of the same this coming season. (Regardless of how the message board is structured.) :up: