Revenuers are at it again!!!

[RAGrote]

Those fuggin donnut eatin, coffe swillin, taxpayer money wastin, steamin buckets of ass juice revenuers are canvassing the stretch between Woodland Park and Colo Springs again.

Gotta go, the donnuts are ready.
So.... :321:

Sorry moderators but this is a real sore point with me.

[JoeCode]

They didn't get anything but this :321: from me...

Then they probably aren't targeting you for your bike :lol:

[KooLaid]

i'm lost and confused..... RAGrote wrote THIS?????

I sleep pretty well with them like that at the moment.... I sold my bike. So now i'm stuck with my one 165 hp pile of muscle to play with, my 94 ford ranger......

[RAGrote]

i'm lost and confused..... RAGrote wrote THIS?????

Damn skippy...
I'm one of the most PRO-cop people you'll find but when these fukrs are sitting around wasting MY tax dollars and stopping mom and pop for driving 62 in a 55... well then I get friggin IRATE in a hurry.

Edited to remove inflamitory remarks (and add some more) taken to heart by those not secure in their own ego to TRULY blow me off...

How many of you would VOLUNTEER to send the state $40 a month and get a "get out of speeding free" card? When you get stopped for anything below 15mph over you just pull out your monthly card and drive away with a warning.
Think of how much MORE money the state could raise....
I'd be the first in line.

that's all I got to say about that....

[pg_rider]

It's not a problem just here -- try riding Angeles Crest Hwy outside LA. There's been a crackdown over the last 8 months or so targeted solely at sportbikes. In fact, there's a CHP motor cop dedicated to about a 30 mile stretch of twisty road. My last ride there I saw him twice and he was running radar both times (thank you Valentine One!). He'll pull you for 1mph over, and when he gets you he'll throw the whole book -- modified blinkers, exhaust, windscreen, you name it. The guy is infamous out there and it's complete bullshit as he ignores cars and Harley's breaking the exact same laws. It's nothing but harrassment, plain and simple....

[ZX12r_Pat]

Those fuggin donnut eatin, coffe swillin, taxpayer money wastin, steamin buckets of ass juice revenuers are canvassing the stretch between Woodland Park and Colo Springs again.

I saw 4 State cars and 2 sheriffs sitting by Bust, CO.
Couldn't be out catchin REAL criminals... NO!!! They have to sit in packs and write frivolous tickets to people who, for the most part, aren't hurting anybody... just minding their own business on a beautiful Sunday afternoon until they get pulled over by Mr. Fife..

They didn't get anything but this :321: from me... I'm surprised they didn't pull me over when I flipped them off.

Fuk em... every single one of em.

How do these fukin people sleep at night? Are they REALLY that brainwashed to think they're doing a public service?

If there are any CO state troopers on this site... I pity you. That sh!t's pathetic.

BTW, your iridium freakin sunglasses make you look like J.W. Pepper... you may want to rethink that look...

Gotta go, the donnuts are ready.
So.... :321:

Sorry moderators but this is a real sore point with me.

Obviously you got some serious issues with the police. I’m a State Trooper and I have been part of this site for a while. I could care less how you feel or whether you pity me.

Moron, State Troopers work is 98% traffic enforcement, so yes all we do is to enforce the traffic laws of this state and writing tickets is part of the job. Also we have the greatest number of felony arrests in the state because of traffic stops, so we do catch the real criminals whether you realize it or not.

I’m not going to demoralize you like you did me on your post. YOU are not worth it, but are entitled to you opinion and so I’m I.

I don’t know who pissed on your wheaties, State Patrol does not allow mirrored glasses. I served 12 years in the Army and the high and tight is my haircut of choice, if that pisses you off, oh well..

IF you are so pro-cop, well then why do you get pissed when they are going their job???

Pat

[SpArKy]

This ought to get good. Donuts??? NO we are sensitive new age cops we eat Bagels!!! :lol:

As for the other moronic comments...........Rag dude I thought you were on the dark side with me..... :lol:

Obviously you have NO idea what "Law Enforcement" really is. :guns:

[#1Townie]

man you cops suck..... just kidding put the............... please put that tazer down......... :D

i dont know.... speed traps make things fun... i got nailed for 15 over in my VAN!!!

cop says to me....." son do you know how fast you were going??"

me......"ummmmmm..... 40??"

cop.... "yes"

me..." so whats the problem"

cop..."ITS 25"

me... :banghead: "

he was cool and nocked it down to 10 over... so lifes a bitch then you die...

[troythetroll]

He'll pull you for 1mph over, and when he gets you he'll throw the whole book -- modified blinkers, exhaust, windscreen, you name it. The guy is infamous out there and it's complete bullshit as he ignores cars and Harley's breaking the exact same laws. It's nothing but harrassment, plain and simple....


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but 1 mph over isn't harassment, its just another silly rider who can't read the speed limit and then pay attention to it. Its harassment when you are 1mph UNDER and he pulls you over. 1 mph over is just whining for not paying attention, and then wanting to blame someone else for getting caught.

[KooLaid]

Tis true, if they speed limit sign says 55 and ur going 56, then ur breaking the law. :guns:

[rforsythe]

Yes but within a few mph, the error rate means you could argue your way out of that one. I think this is why most cops wait until you're going more than 5mph over - it becomes more believable at that point, plus they get more money out of you.

[KooLaid]

Moron, State Troopers work is 98% traffic enforcement,........

I just now noticed that. That's not very nice. You're not my favorite cop anymore... :(

[PharmerKyle]

How many of you would VOLUNTEER to send the state $40 a month and get a "get out of speeding free" card? When you get stopped for anything below 15mph over you just pull out your monthly card and drive away with a warning.
Think of how much MORE money the state could raise....
I'd be the first in line.

that's all I got to say about that....
The disclaimers and waivers on that card system would be an interesting write-up in itself. Does the state, hypothetically, pay out to either the cage or the biker when the 15 over biker and cage meet head on in a passing zone? Finding a lawmaker willing to put his name on that one will be tough. Good luck with that.

On the surface it's a good idea. The 15 over card- don't leave home without it. It can go right next to my "Lane splitting exemption because I wear all of my gear" card that RF proposed earlier this summer. I could try to cover up my "Stunter's permit for empty-ass parking lots only"card that #1T was lobbying for with it as well.[/sarcasm]

The rest of it sounded like "Blah blah yakkity taxpayer... yadda yadda patriot... dooo dah duh not hurtin' nobody... snivel snivel taking my tax dollars and going home.". This attitude has gotten waaay too typical in this country lately. Apparently we've become a nation of "Islands" again. Sorr RAG, just venting a little.

Is this really any different than Stoners that want "it" legalized? I mean, it's just another vice that someone wants legitimized because they don't see the harm that they could do. Sorry mate. I'm a fan of your threads, but our society has to have some standards so that us Squids can play on the same roads with cell-phone yakking soccer moms and overly medicated seniors. Just be a man and break the damn law and pay when you're caught.

Keep the good ideas coming... I sense that we're getting closer to a breakthrough. [lurk]

[Jaydoc]

You know, I've been riding sportbikes for awhile, and I've been riding all sorts of bikes since fourth grade but I've never been pulled over by a cop until...

My Dad's kind of getting up there and so he and I rented a couple Harleys and headed to Durango for a weekend trip. Now we both had GPS units on the bikes and I would say that unless we happened to be passing someone we honestly were always within 1 or 2 mph of the speed limit, give-or-take. This is both by the speedometer and by the GPS.

Now we're headed back north towards Salida from Monte Vista when we get pulled over by a Trooper. We were going 67 mph by GPS when he passed us in a 65 mph zone. The speed he told us we were going? 87 MILES PER HOUR!! Now we're talking about a 63 year old oral surgeon and a 36 year old anesthesiologist. Neither of us are going to be lying about our speed. Now this trooper is very friendly. We discuss at length how it would be almost impossible for all four of our speedometers (two on the bikes, two GPS) to be off by that much and by exactly the same amount. In the end, we got a warning but no ticket.

The moral? I always thought the people who complained about radar guns not being calibrated properly were full of crap but now? Happened to me and my Dad. How often are tickets given out to people not actually breaking the law and how could you possibly fight them in court? Everyone is going to claim it was the radar gun's fault.

[luv4corners]

http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=10052

Most of the hundreds of police officers I’ve met during my career don’t particularly like working traffic. It’s not, in the majority view, real police work. And, unlike working in the patrol division, as a traffic officer they’re rarely helping people, the reason most joined the department in the first place.

Instead their days are spent listening to the litany of lies, excuses and enduring some seriously bad attitudes from angry drivers they meet. Their only respite is when they’re 10-7, out of service, or eating lunch with fellow traffic officers. Their work day is spent using radar, laser or, sometimes, time/distance computers to work speed and write tickets. The remaining time is devoted to responding to accident calls and working wrecks. Hardly the stuff of their dreams while at the training academy.

Fellow officers assigned to the Patrol Division often forget that some of the biggest cases of all time began with routine stops by traffic officers. (Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, for instance, was only caught because he was pulled over by an alert Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper for a minor license plate violation.)

Most speed limits are set at least 10-15 mph too low, the result of bureaucratic meddling by politicians who ignore the professional opinions of their own traffic engineering departments. That’s why you’ll most often notice artificially low speed limits and, in many cases, so-called traffic-calming measures, (speed bumps, closed lanes and other obstacles to free-flowing traffic) in the upscale sections of town. These people vote, pay lots of taxes and have access to the politicians. (When’s the last time you saw speed bumps in the local barrio or ghetto?)

But we’ve never heard of a politician (or a traffic engineer, for that matter) asking the opinion of veteran traffic officers when tinkering with speed limits. If they had, they’d have raised the speed limit to the 85th percentile, the speed at which 85 percent of all traffic is flowing and where the ITE (Institute of Traffic Engineers) and common sense dictate the limit should be set. It’s left to the traffic officer to mete out justice on the street according to his or her own set of rules. And that’s why most allow a 10 mph leeway over the artificially low posted speed limit before taking enforcement action. Nobody asked their opinion before setting the limit, 85 percent of the drivers are speeding as a result and traffic officers are expected to enforce the law. It’s a no-win situation.

So the next time you get stopped for speeding, realize that it’s not personal, it’s just business. And money. Every city in the country depends on the revenue generated by traffic tickets. (Think not? Then notice that whenever the chronically underpaid cops get into a pay dispute with the city, as a last resort they’ll simply stop writing tickets until the city caves in.) In an unguarded moment, the mayor of Washington, D.C. was quoted as admitting that automated enforcement (red light cameras in particular) was being used solely for revenue generation. (The city reported $15 million in net profit during the red light camera program’s first 30 months of operation and $9 million net profit in only seven months from their five photo radar vans. And the number of accidents at D.C. intersections monitored by red light cameras jumped significantly, the same result experienced by cities worldwide after installing RLCs and largely due to rear-end collisions.)

We’ve never met a traffic officer who’s a fan of automated enforcement. While the camera sits there impassively clicking away in response to every speed or red-light violation, drivers blithely roll past, generally unaware of the transgression. There’s no deterrent effect whatever. And with no traffic stop, every impaired driver, every driver with outstanding warrants or no license, every stolen vehicle, every rolling meth lab, every terrorist, you name it, sails right past.

The remainder of the time, the traffic or highway patrol officer’s time is spent dealing with the unpleasant consequences of traffic accidents. Most are not caused by speeding, incidentally. As a primary cause of accidents, speed in excess of the posted limit has never ranked above the low single digits as a percentage of overall fatal accidents, even according to the federal government’s own FARS (Fatal Accident Reporting System) that compiles nationwide annual accident reports.

The real cause of traffic accidents is driver error. Unlike nearly every news story I’ve ever read, the vehicle doesn’t simply leap out of control and crash for no reason. The driver caused the accident by 1) Failing to yield to a traffic control device or another vehicle, 2) Driving into another vehicle, a fixed object or off the road, the latter event usually climaxed by a yank on the steering wheel, a stab at the brakes and, inevitably a spin and often a rollover, particularly on the highway. If the driver’s unbelted, he or she will generally be thrown out of the vehicle and die. (“If you fly, you die” is how traffic officers refer to the phenomenon.) The cause of the bulk of the remaining accidents: brain-dead driving. This includes yakking into a cellphone, groping on the floor for a dropped object, reading while driving, dealing out discipline to the kids, conversing with passengers or, in a large number of cases, particularly in Western states at night, falling asleep at the wheel.

The mantra of speed enforcement is: 1) Writing speeding tickets will slow drivers down, 2) If drivers are moving slower, they’ll have more time to react to an emergency and 3) The slower the speed, the less severe the impact. Of the three assumptions, only the third is true.

Giving a driver more time to react is meaningless. About 99 percent of all drivers are looking no farther than 30-50 feet ahead of their vehicles, often less, and couldn't react to an emergency even if given an extra day or two in which to do so.

Every intensive-enforcement traffic program I’ve ever seen has failed to affect accident rates in the slightest. (The accident rate is the only meaningful road-safety statistic and is universally expressed by fatalities or crashes per hundred million vehicle-miles traveled. At present, it’s at an all-time low, 1.48, and that number has dropped continually since national statistics were first recorded, beginning in the Thirties.)

Saturation patrols accompanied by media blitzes are regularly announced just prior to holidays—hey, those in law enforcement have careers, too, give them a break—and follow-up stories by the totally uncritical media dutifully report the number of tickets handed out, mostly for speeding, sometimes for DWI or license infractions. And nothing changes. Driver behavior is unaltered, the city and state collect more revenue and life goes on.

So don’t blame the cops. Next time you get a ticket, if you want to get angry, send an e-mail to or call your elected representatives. (You did vote in the last election, right?) And tell them you want realistic speed limits and want the attention of traffic officers devoted to the real causes of accidents, not speed enforcement.



http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=10052



(however some cops use this for personal satisfaction/benefit)


:x

[SpArKy]

Good response and well thought out too. See you don't have to resort to the donut jokes in order to make a point. HAHAHAAHA

[TFOGGuys]

Just as a side note, most bike speedos are optimistic by at LEAST 5%, and that's before someone messes with the tire size or gearing. So, if your bike speedo reads 1-2 mph over in a 55mph zone, chances are you aren't actually speeding. With all due respect to the law enforcement folks on the board, I would recommend that anyone pulled over for this kind of infraction would 1) get the last certification test date for the radar, 2) ask to visually see the radar gun reading. If the officer can not provide this information, chances are you either won't get a ticket, or you'll walk when you go to court. Of course, if you're like, 65mph over the limit, you'll burn in Hell (or Pueblo). :evil:

[SpArKy]

Just as a side note, most bike speedos are optimistic by at LEAST 5%, and that's before someone messes with the tire size or gearing. So, if your bike speedo reads 1-2 mph over in a 55mph zone, chances are you aren't actually speeding. With all due respect to the law enforcement folks on the board, I would recommend that anyone pulled over for this kind of infraction would 1) get the last certification test date for the radar, 2) ask to visually see the radar gun reading. If the officer can not provide this information, chances are you either won't get a ticket, or you'll walk when you go to court. Of course, if you're like, 65mph over the limit, you'll burn in Hell (or Pueblo). :evil:

A good point. But If I am correct most Departments don't even use radar anymore. Most departments have gone to Laser only devices.

Also...An officer is NOT required to show you the radar or laser device. I know these leads to the conspiracy theories but there are many reasons that an officer may refuse to show you the device. :D

[rforsythe]

Oh, Sparky will show you his device alright. :shock: :no:

[SpArKy]

Oh, Sparky will show you his device alright. :shock: :no:

shhhhhhhhhh Ralph. That is ONLY for you!!! :lol:

[RAGrote]

I should really move back to Germany so I could ride like motorcycles are meant to be ridden......
8 years and not ONE stop. Hell.. I didn't even SEE one motorcycle stopped.

I wish enforcement would spend more time stopping mom in a minivan talking on the phone with the kids not strapped in....
the guy who doesn't feel the need to EVER use his signals cuz his truck is so big...
smoking piles of crap that smell like last weeks trash...
all tailgaters...
troi...
lowriders...
dumptrucks spewing anything....
vehicles with more than 5 cars being held up by them...


Sparky - I hope we meet some day in a non-official setting.
Pat - I am the walrus, BABY!!!

Somebody tell me where to send my $40.... ;)

Just to let you all know. You guys/gals do a job that I'm not willing to do... for that, THANKS!

[SpArKy]

HAHAHAHA Anytime Rag. I'll buy you a beer with my "extra" revenue. HAHAHAHAHA

[luv4corners]

Thanks, I tried being politically correct, and reserving personal opinions to myself, knowing there are LEOs on this site. Saying "FTP" over and over does not prove anything, we must look at the root of the problem.

The biggest accident-causer in this state (imho) is
1.) Driver Skills
2.) Fact that many different flavor of people move to colorado
3.) No enforcement.

Only a few months ago, they started enforcing "driving in the left lane" law, which I believe is 4 pts and 40 dollar fine.

If they enforce it enough, judge for yourselves...

Another one that really gets me ticked is the way people merge onto highways and major roads... sigh... SPEED UP **** HEADS!!!

and why they get mad that I did not let them merge in, is beyond me...

Same goes on streets like academy and union... Left lane is for faster cars, get out of the way... If you are planning to make a left turn, speed up not to slow people down and use your breaks once in the turning lane. Most of the time that can be done.


And the last one.

THE STUPID ASS THAT REGULATES THE LIGHT TIMING IN THIS STATE IS A RETARD. Period. Person's IQ = Grapefruit. Have they not heard of a green wave? And no, 3 consecutive lights is not enough...

But hey, nobody gets baid to fix shit. :)

[luv4corners]

s/baid/paid
(meant to say paid)

[RAGrote]

Most speed limits are set at least 10-15 mph too low, the result of bureaucratic meddling by politicians who ignore the professional opinions of their own traffic engineering departments. That’s why you’ll most often notice artificially low speed limits and, in many cases, so-called traffic-calming measures, (speed bumps, closed lanes and other obstacles to free-flowing traffic) in the upscale sections of town. These people vote, pay lots of taxes and have access to the politicians. (When’s the last time you saw speed bumps in the local barrio or ghetto?)

The remainder of the time, the traffic or highway patrol officer’s time is spent dealing with the unpleasant consequences of traffic accidents. Most are not caused by speeding, incidentally. As a primary cause of accidents, speed in excess of the posted limit has never ranked above the low single digits as a percentage of overall fatal accidents, even according to the federal government’s own FARS (Fatal Accident Reporting System) that compiles nationwide annual accident reports.

The real cause of traffic accidents is driver error. Unlike nearly every news story I’ve ever read, the vehicle doesn’t simply leap out of control and crash for no reason. The driver caused the accident by 1) Failing to yield to a traffic control device or another vehicle, 2) Driving into another vehicle, a fixed object or off the road, the latter event usually climaxed by a yank on the steering wheel, a stab at the brakes and, inevitably a spin and often a rollover, particularly on the highway. If the driver’s unbelted, he or she will generally be thrown out of the vehicle and die. (“If you fly, you die” is how traffic officers refer to the phenomenon.) The cause of the bulk of the remaining accidents: brain-dead driving. This includes yakking into a cellphone, groping on the floor for a dropped object, reading while driving, dealing out discipline to the kids, conversing with passengers or, in a large number of cases, particularly in Western states at night, falling asleep at the wheel.

The mantra of speed enforcement is: 1) Writing speeding tickets will slow drivers down, 2) If drivers are moving slower, they’ll have more time to react to an emergency and 3) The slower the speed, the less severe the impact. Of the three assumptions, only the third is true.

Giving a driver more time to react is meaningless. About 99 percent of all drivers are looking no farther than 30-50 feet ahead of their vehicles, often less, and couldn't react to an emergency even if given an extra day or two in which to do so.

Every intensive-enforcement traffic program I’ve ever seen has failed to affect accident rates in the slightest. (The accident rate is the only meaningful road-safety statistic and is universally expressed by fatalities or crashes per hundred million vehicle-miles traveled. At present, it’s at an all-time low, 1.48, and that number has dropped continually since national statistics were first recorded, beginning in the Thirties.

And here are the real reasons. Great post.

Training should be REAL training. Not this American version of riding around and if you don't hit anything (even if you do in some cases) we'll give you the right to drive just about anything you want.

Then we could get onto the job of REALLY saving lives. Teach people how to operate their vehicle to 90% of it's capability and THEN you'll see traffic accident rates drop.

Speed is NOT the killer....
Skill (lack of) is the real killer as luv suggests (as I read it).

Thanks for the slap downs and the debate!!!

Sparky... nah, first one's on me brother.... I know if you start flashing all that cash around somebody's gonna notice ;) :D

[luv4corners]

You're welcome :)

Really, I would love to know what the LEOs think. Its not rocket science to figure out who really benefits from the system.

So, are there any more laws/changes to follow suit with the "staying in the left lane too long"?

Doubtfully :(

I think the changes need to be made at the root of the society, and wait at least 10 years for things to be apparent.

People do not drive this way in bigger cities. You would get run over if you drive the speedlimit in the left lane in many countries. A good thing? Who knows, but certainly makes a lot of sense, because life is moving on in so many directions. Colorado, unfortunately, can be considered to be a more of a rural-like place to live... Compare Colorado Springs and Denver style of driving for example :))))) When I get into Denver, I finally feel safer for many reasons. I can start predicting and understanding people's behaviors and do not feel bad about using my horn. In the Springs, I feel like I will put some grandma in a coma by honking.

Yesterday, going to get lunch... Academy... 3 lanes. Very left lane you have a SUV.. going 3 over... mkay... somewhat OK, but still infuriating sometimes. middle lane you have a van, going 5 under... right lane you have a backhoe... You know one of those caterpillars. The caterpillar is passing both the SUV and the VAN. I was like, wtf can you do here!

Had to take a traffic class several years back to get points reduced... The instructor was "the bitch in the van". How can anyone learn from that? And she told me that "its legal to go between cars on a motorcycle". I was like WTF are you teaching here?


I agree man, its alllll about money. My traffic class was a Level 2. Students from level 1,2,3 did the same program, same stuff, same time. However, level one cost was like 60 bucks, level2 was like 75, level3 was 140. And we all got out early.

But hey, I have so much stuff going on in my life, I just dont even pay attention. If I get nabbed, I dont get pissed, pay the fines, get it over with as QUICK as possible. And I would pay double the proposed get out of speed ticket card price :) If I could do 75mph through colorado springs in the left lane to work, that would save me so much! (not really, but still, fuckin a)

and can i please get a tax cut for having an economical vehicle? :)

[troythetroll]

and can i please get a tax cut for having an economical vehicle? :)


But of course. Go out Jan 1,2006, and buy a vehicle off this list, and claim your tax credit on your 2006 taxes. Not a tax deduction off of gross income, but a tax CREDIT straight off your tax bill.

http://www.hybridcars.com/tax-deductions.html

Quite nice of the Washington power elite to throw this one out for the little guy in exchange for drilling ANWR I thought.

[pg_rider]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but 1 mph over isn't harassment, its just another silly rider who can't read the speed limit and then pay attention to it. Its harassment when you are 1mph UNDER and he pulls you over. 1 mph over is just whining for not paying attention, and then wanting to blame someone else for getting caught.

Tis true, if they speed limit sign says 55 and ur going 56, then ur breaking the law. :guns:
:lol: You guys are funny. You really think going 1 over warrants a traffic stop?

[Dr. Joe Siphek]

I think speed limits should be optional!

[Airreed]

[quote=troythetroll";p="240255]Forgive me if I'm wrong, but 1 mph
:lol: You guys are funny. You really think going 1 over warrants a traffic stop?


uhmmm on a military installation they WILL pull you over for going 1mph over the limit....doing ten over; get ready to take it from your 1SG/CSM and or Commander. MPs/SPs don't play on bases or forts.


An MP working on an AFB!

[#1Townie]

I think speed limits should be optional!

:imwithstupid:

[SpArKy]

I think speed limits should be optional!

:imwithstupid:

Who cares what you think?? :321: :D

[~Barn~]

Sparky, you're supposed to say... "Blah blah blah blah" :lol:

[Nick_Ninja]

From December 8, 1995 to May 28, 1999 Montana's daytime automobile speed limits were "reasonable and prudent," according to interpretation by Highway Patrol officers. Fines were increased and motorists were advised to drive carefully according to existing weather and road conditions.



http://www.us-highways.com/montana/mtspeedsign.jpg (http://www.motorists.com/pressreleases/montana.html)

[The Black Knight]

Too bad we couldn't get those here,

"Reasonable and Prudent" for me is like 130mph+

HAHA :)

Honestly though, I feel I could travel at that rate of speed safely, because my senses would be ready and I wouldn't ride that fast everywhere.

I did read a article in a UK magazine where they did a study of slow riders vs. fast riders and they shown that fast riders were more likely to have superior response time in reaction speeds and were more perceptive to their surroundings of their environment.

For slow riders they showed that their lack of interest and becoming lazy and such slow speeds, slowed their reaction times and tentativeness. They became preoccupied with other things besides riding and focusing on the road and what's down the road.

It only goes without saying that when the speed goes up your attention to detail does as well. Your concentrating on the task at hand then worrying about talking on your cell phone or yelling at the kids. Obviously moms in minivans don't need to be speeding at all. Nor do people on cell phones or those putting on make-up in the mornings.

Yet for the few that actually do focus on their driving we should have a special lane made for us that we can blast down and get to our destination faster.

Then again I'm of the opinion that we should follow the strict AUTOBAHN rules of Left Lane is for Fast pace and or Passing, Middle lane is for keeping a fast pace but not one that impeds the other faster drivers, and of course the right hand lane for the goodie goodies that like to drive slow or for commerical vehicles as well.. Right lane not excluding grandma's or grandpa's, cell phone users, women putting on make-up, moms in minivans, people out for a Sunday drive eventhough its Tuesday, people with vehicles that can't go fast or vehicles that if pushed to a certain speed would become dangerous at high speeds.. People with dogs bouncing all over the place, people trying to read while driving, and one more... Right lane is for the people who try and merge and have to go three lanes over into the fast lane just to travel 100ft and swerve 3 lanes back over to get to their turn off!!!



All in All, stay out of the fast lane!!! unless your traveling fast, have a objective of where your going, and know how to ride/drive...

only if we could have Autobahn rules
:)

[JoeCode]

So now i'm stuck with my one 165 hp pile of muscle to play with

Interesting. I never thought of rating my 'pile of muscle' in hp. I just use inches.

[KooLaid]

You are one sick boy............. :shock:

[#1Townie]

Who cares what you think?? :321: :D



damn you sparky..... how many times do i have to tell you.... i am not gay... :lol:

[RAGrote]

Those fuggin donnut eatin...."blather deleted"...

This dude sounds ANGRY :x :x

Gotta go....

Time for therapy.... :oops:

[RAGrote]

Too bad we couldn't get those here,

"Reasonable and Prudent" for me is like 130mph+

HAHA :)

Autobahn rules
:)

Autobahns rule. European (Germany, Austr, Swiss at least) riders know how to flat out ride. That's a huge difference. I've ridden in groups of 30 through the mountains of the N. Alps, S. Germ & Switz, @ break-neck speeds with my wife on the back and never once felt uncomfortable with the amount of people and WHERE we sped. ??? Where DIDN'T we speed? These people were so fluid and predictable. Really a huge difference.
I won't even get into why they could ride like that or what kind of training they had....
All I can say is the proof is in the pudding.
In 8 years in Germany I never heard of ONE accident of one of our large circle of riding companions. Not one... That's probably 150-200 people. Luck? I'm thinking not....

BTW, Autobahns RULE!! Munich - 70 miles - Authobahn - 35-40 min - pin the throttle and duck your head. I've been passed by BIG Mercedes @ 130 indicated - Like I was parked :shock: Cool.


and the link to this thread? If WE ALL had that kind of fluid confidence in our riding and our bikes that would be one less thing the LEOs would have to look out for and we could be on our merry way - passing legally on double yellow - "reasonably and prudently".
c-ya

[Mista Black]

i still believe the difference (from my 4.5 years of observations in germany) is that the germans truely love to drive and therefore respect it. americans by and large feel it's there god given right as an american to have a license whether they have a damn clue how to drive or not.

i dont like getting tickets anymore than the next guy, but i've only ever gotten pissed at a cop one time while getting one (cause he was obviously blind to the camero passing me on the right like a bat out of hell). for the rest i bitch to the prosecutor and write letters to the legislature.

[AirAssault]

You speed, you get a ticket. My bro is a leo, and I have been with him many times when he got the state of Fl. some "xtra" money. Love to hear the "reasons" why one speeds. I'm not saying I don't speed, but not gonna bitch if I get a ticket because I am a big boy and know Im breaking a law.

As for LEO bashing, next time you need em I bet you wont bash em!

[onepoorstunna]

You speed, you get a ticket.


Why does it always appear that this is SO difficult to understand? :?

[Butterfly]

I say, close this topic :bananna:

:lol: