Fatality on Acedmy ?

[Pork Chop]

Was curious if anyone knows who it was that lost there life on acedmy yesterday.I only saw a small speel on the news last night about it.The bike looked like an out a stater.

[mtx1]

i am also curious i saw that on the news too they said he was weaving in and out of traffic and lost control. if i remember correctly they said he was 19??

[KooLaid]

Army kid. Was wearing his protective gear MINUS his helmet. Crashed, slide, got ran over by an old fullsize Ford Bronco pulling a trailer. Got dragged 70 ft.

Academy/Drennan

[Pork Chop]

Yuck

[R1chie]

I heard he went into head on traffic under the bronco and was drug by the trailer the bronco was pulling.

Whether you have a helmet or not, you must ride in such a way as to not have an accident. A helmet is only good as a container to hold your stomach and intestines when you are run over in the midsection by a heavy vehicle. Riding like this in traffic is a sure way to kill yourself, a moving car or truck does not care if you have a helmet, leathers, boots, it will still try to crush you and kill you as it tries to squish you between the ground and itself. My condolences to the family of the boy.

[Butterfly]

Got a bit upset on how the cop on tv was talking shit about sportbike riders in general. Few riders give us a really bad image.

My condolences to his family.

[BuzzBe]

It seems like everywhere I go on my bike, someone has to tell me a story about how someone they know died or crashed. They all pay so much attention to the crashes, yet they don't pay alot of attention to the bikes in the lanes beside them. Granted, we need to ride smart and not be weaving in and out of traffic, like this teenager might have been doing. I'm just getting a little sick of listening to all the negativity about motorcycles.

[*GSXR~SNAIL*]

Buzz-

I agree. The only way we change that perception is through responsible riding.

Sometimes when you put a bike that's like a $10,000 , 10 second Lamborghini in the hands of a young kid who thinks he's invincible and doesn't consider how his own actions may develop into a fatal situation, these type of things can happen.

I wish his family and friends my condolences.

[Twan]

Supposedly Fort Carson has implemented a new rule because of this unfortunate incident- can't ride on post without a reflective belt... what that has to do with the accident I'm not sure. Anyone know what time the accident happened?

[livinlife2themax]

I know that as far as the airforce goes you are not supposed to ride anywhere without a refective vest on.... It supposively helps to be seen.... I have a hard time believing that a vest is gonna make driver see you better during the day...now at night yeah maybe.....but hell half the time it doesnt matter what youare wearing they just flat out dont pay attention.

[KooLaid]

Supposedly Fort Carson has implemented a new rule because of this unfortunate incident- can't ride on post without a reflective belt... what that has to do with the accident I'm not sure. Anyone know what time the accident happened?

It was in broad daylight. I think Carson should have already had the reflective BELT rule in place already, maybe they changed it to reflective VEST?????



And well, according to the news report, he was zipping in and out of traffic at the time.

[T-byrd]

I thought it started as a domestic violence call and he chose his motorcycle as his form of a get-away. That's what I read in the paper and on 9news.com earlier this week.

Either way it sucks for the rider (even though it was way stupid of him to ride this way) and the guy who ran him over.

Tanya

[Twan]

It was in broad daylight. I think Carson should have already had the reflective BELT rule in place already, maybe they changed it to reflective VEST?????



And well, according to the news report, he was zipping in and out of traffic at the time.

I'm not sure if the rules vary between bases or not, but I'm pretty sure DOD policy states that a minimum of long sleeves, pants, gloves, and shoes that cover the ankle are required to ride on base. We always used to have to wear a belt or vest in England, but only "in hours of reduced visibility", be it dusk, dawn, or rainy conditions...

[Twan]

I know that as far as the airforce goes you are not supposed to ride anywhere without a refective vest on.... It supposively helps to be seen.... I have a hard time believing that a vest is gonna make driver see you better during the day...now at night yeah maybe.....but hell half the time it doesnt matter what youare wearing they just flat out dont pay attention.

Unfortunately, I thought the same thing... My flight chief was trying to get onto carson after it happened one sunny day this weekend, but they turned him away and actually handed him a hard copy of the new policy... bottom line- how is a vest or belt going to help you SURVIVE an accident? Not to sound disrespectful, but it doesn't matter what you're wearing if you're in oncoming traffic...

[haywood jablome]

All of the above plue a helmet HAS to be worn!!! If this is all true he probally lost his life insurance payment!!! Hate to say it...

[R1chie]

All of the above plue a helmet HAS to be worn!!! If this is all true he probally lost his life insurance payment!!! Hate to say it...

All that stuff must be worn on base or they will not let you on.
As in the case of the previous post with the flight chief, he was not let on the base because he did not conform but did they cite him while he was off base? Can the MPs cite you if you are off base and not following these rules or does it just pertain to the insurance payment?

[KooLaid]

I thought it started as a domestic violence call and he chose his motorcycle as his form of a get-away. That's what I read in the paper and on 9news.com earlier this week.

Either way it sucks for the rider (even though it was way stupid of him to ride this way) and the guy who ran him over.

Tanya


Those were two different things. But two different dead guys. One on the bike being wreckless. Then the domestic case where the guy flipped his car. Sad, two different guys, two different vehicles, one common ground.

I don't know, does the army counsel people differently than the air force? I mean when ever ANY alcohol or accident type of incident occurs, it's a big deal. They always do some sort of meeting and then blah blah blah away and talk to everyone about what happened, the consequences, blah blah blah. Almost seems like it's not such a big deal on that base when stuff like that happens. But I'm not an army or carson expert either..........

Sooooooo. How YOU doin' tanya??? ;)

[KooLaid]

As for insurance and rich's concerns. In the AIR FORCE:

If you don't conform to the minimum safety gear or dont take the proper precautions according to the guidelines that they do publish, they CAN take away your life insurance provided by the gov, but yet the person still pays out of pocket for. So in the case of the army guy, he'll probably lose his insurance settlement because he was #1 riding wrecklessly, #2 Did not follow all the guidelines or "laws" that the military set on riding motorcycles on the street.

Then the guy who flipped his car, his insurance settlement won't go to anyone either more than likely because he was running from the cops, IF he had military life insurance anyways.......

Now for the MP question, they won't cite you off base, or they shouldn't if they bust you w/o a helmet off base. But that doesn't mean he won't get in trouble for it either. All it takes is one report to someone that matters and can positively identify the person breaking the rule.

[livinlife2themax]

Very true...they can not bust you off base they dont have jurisdiction...however if someone in your chain of command sees you actin a fool or not wearing a helmet...yeah it is gonna be your ass when you go back to work.

[jermag24]

I saw on the news that he was turning from Drennan onto Academy at a high rate of speed (according to the police) and couldn't turn sharp enough to stay in his lane. He went wide, into oncoming traffic, and lowsided under the Bronco.

I was also disappointed at the policeman who went off about how "sportbikes are dangerous under any condition, and are almost impossible to control."

1) Throttles are spring-loaded shut. It takes an intentional action to open it.

2) I feel more in control on my bike than I do in any car I've owned.

My 2 pennies.

[Twan]

All that stuff must be worn on base or they will not let you on.
As in the case of the previous post with the flight chief, he was not let on the base because he did not conform but did they cite him while he was off base? Can the MPs cite you if you are off base and not following these rules or does it just pertain to the insurance payment?

I'm pretty sure that it only applies when you're actually inside the gate... since SP's and MP's don't have any jurisdiction off of the installation. I got pulled over for running a red light and gave the po my license and military ID, but he didn't mention anything about me having to wear a belt or vest- this was a couple of months ago though.

[KooLaid]

Well in the Air Force world, you're SUPPOSED to wear all that stuff they mention in the regs on AND off base. The regular cops don't care as long as you follow they laws that they set aside for everyone.

There are set regulations in the air force. That sets the standard air force wide. now each base commander has the authority to make the laws tougher if they find it necessary. But when you read the regs closely, you'll notice that alot of people get things confused because everyone things "required" when it says "highly suggested/recommended".