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konichd
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 02:59 PM
Well, I organized this last year and due to interest will be organizing this little event again. Last year we had 60+ bikes show up! :)

When: Sunday May 13th (or open to alternate dates)
Where: Morrison Conoco off C-470 park on south side curb!
Time: Be there by 9am, leave by 9:30am sharp

MOMS WELCOME!

Last year we had a lot of volunteers step-up to lead groups of riders. So once again this year I'm asking for a couple fearless leaders to step forward to lead this, please PM me if you interested in this position. Also would be nice if someone would play "sweeper" to ensure no one gets left behind, we can "pair up" Leader's and sweepers the day of the ride. We will break groups into experience level.

Also make sure you have all your gear! Helmets, gloves, jacket, boots at least, race suit if you have it.

Please review the CSC rules
http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/club/rules.html (http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/club/rules.html)

This will be a fairly "easy" ride so don't be afraid to sign up. This is mainly a learning experiece and to meet other people in the CSC. Its also a little "refresher" on the canyons, etc. We will be deciding the route within the next few days, keep an eye on this post for updates.

There is no "sign up" last year 30 people signed up or contacted me, and like I said we had 60+ bikes.

To sum it up: Quoting Spiderman himself
It is intended for new and newer riders, who would like to get a taste of group riding in a safe environment, learn some good habits, and have an all-around good experience.

More experienced riders are welcomed, and some will be needed to lead/sweep, but all experienced riders planning on attending should show up expecting to run at a slower, more relaxed pace than they normally might.

I always stress that people ride at their own pace, and don't feel pressured into keeping up (ride your own ride). We want everybody to have a good time and come back and ride with us again.

(Edit by Ralph) These are the ride leaders, to be edited as more step up:
1. David K
2. Bob H
3. Scott R
4. Ralph F
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Sweepers
1. McVaaaahhh
2. Dana
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Spiderman
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Might I add, for clarifications sake:

This is a ride for new and newer riders, who would like to get a taste of group riding in a safe environment, learn some good habits, and have an all-around good experience.

More experienced riders will be on hand to lead, sweep, answer questions and give advice. Experienced riders are also welcomed to participate in the ride, however they should understand that we will be riding at a slower, more relaxed pace than they normally might.

8)

JustSomeDude
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 03:11 PM
I'm coming... without any pants on. How does that make you feel?

cdbouncer
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Can I please not be in his group, I'm slow and I think that'd be distracting ;)

<going to hide in a corner for playing off topic in a thread that should stay on>


I'm coming... without any pants on. How does that make you feel?

McVaaahhh
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 03:14 PM
I'm in. :DI can lead or sweep if ya need it.

rybo
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 03:16 PM
I'll be happy to sweep if necessary. I WILL, however be wearing pants.

rforsythe
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 03:20 PM
I put a list of leaders (some will sweep) in DK's top post, DK please feel free to edit as we go along as I won't be keeping it up to date, I was just starting it. I'll roam through the pack or lead or sweep or just find a trail over the mountain yall are trying to drive around and beat you there. :) I'm still on the fence with the whole pants/no pants thing.

Devaclis
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 03:22 PM
Ralph, I will be more than happy to sweep if there is a spot open.

Spiderman
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 03:42 PM
For those of you that didn't bother to click the link for the CSC rules (http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/club/rules.html), here they are in all their glory in an effort to ensure that everybody is familiar with them: ;)


The Colorado Sportbike Club


Rules & Signals

Rules:
Considering the trigger you hold in your hand, they're really very simple...

Arrive fully-fueled and ready to ride.
Wear a HELMET & appropriate riding gear... PLEASE. We put time & miles into some rides and you can run across some adverse weather conditions in the mountains. Don't like wearing a helmet? We won't force you to, or stop you from riding with us (that's evolution at it's finest), but consider this (click here) (file:///C:/images/helmet.jpg). Still not convinced? Fine, just please, Please, PLEASE... don't let this be you: WARNING: extremely graphic image - click here (file:///C:/images/nohelmet.jpg) to view it.
Safety first - don't put other people at risk. We’re not on a racetrack, we’re here to have fun.
Ride in staggered formation on highways. Signal your intent to move to the other side of the lane.
In the twisties, ride in single file and no passing in the same lane (make sure you leave enough room between you and the rider in front).
Rider in front has right of way.
Pass safely using another lane ("safely" varies depending on the individual - the person in front of you may not feel confident/comfortable enough to pass when you would).
Ride at your own pace. We don't make any turns before everyone's caught up. Everyone's at a different level, so there is no need to feel you have to keep up with the rider in front of you or be at the front of the pack.
Do NOT leave the group and turn back (or go a different route) unless you've told someone you're going to do so. Since we wait for everyone before making a turn, it would be inconsiderate to delay everyone by making them "wait" for someone who has no intention of catching up.
Position yourself appropriately in the pack: Faster riders may want to place themselves near the front, and slower riders near the rear. If you’re not sure where you fit, start in the middle or near the back. If you find yourself getting frustrated because the rider in front of you is going slower than you want to go, remember, you can always re-position yourself at the next break-stop. And if you feel that you’re slowing down the rider behind you, feel free to indicate to them to pass you - if they don’t, then you’re fine & don’t worry about them.Although we haven't adopted it for the club, "The Pace (file:///C:/local/ThePace.html)" offers guidelines for safe & fun group riding and we recommend you read it.

Signals:
formatting of the hand signals did not copy well into this post, please visit the CSC rules (http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/club/rules.html) page and familiarize yourself with them.

mtnairlover
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 06:33 PM
I'll be there this year. Missed last year's...kept hemming and hawing and then the ol KZ probably wouldn't have even made it down to Morrison. :lol:

Anyway, I'll be bringing a contingent from the nether, er Northern region. Not sure who, but I will post up a reminder in the North forum in a coupla weeks. I'll lead my group down to Morrison, but will not offer my services for the ride, cuz I just wanna hang out and help where/when called upon.

This is certainly gonna be a different Mommy's Day for me.:)

pilot
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 06:58 PM
As mentioned before, I don't mind riding ahead and getting some tables, water, sodas ready at the lunch stop. And if anything crappy lies in the road- like that compressor on 285 in the snowstorm-- I can swing back and give the 'ol slow down hand signal. If that works, cool, else, lead, sweep, or hang in the middle. I will be able to carry some compact rain gear and such in my luggage.

dirkterrell
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 06:59 PM
I'm happy to help in whatever capacity is needed- lead, sweep, waterboy, whatever.

Dirk

cornhuskxr
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 07:08 PM
I will gladly sweep. If needed I will lead if I'm familiar with the route.

64BonnieLass
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 08:32 PM
I'll be there this year. Missed last year's...kept hemming and hawing and then the ol KZ probably wouldn't have even made it down to Morrison. :lol:

Well if Cath is going then I'm going. Oh miss 250 BAT ho where are ya sunshine? Looking for my partner in crime.
Should be a great time. Nothing like good clean fun right? (until it &*^%$ snows again of course - sorry still bitter) A good "learning" experience for those of us that are less then tenured.

rideco
Wed Apr 18th, 2007, 10:23 PM
New condensed thread. ROFL!!!! Hate to say it but about time. I thought the other thread would never die. So May 13th it is then. I am in.
mike

eklew
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 12:02 AM
I can help sweep.

dm_gsxr
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 07:51 AM
I'll ride sweep. Let me know which group so I know which bike to take :D

Faster - Suzuki
Medium - Honda
Slow - Kawasaki

:D

Carl

TommyTheKid
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 09:31 AM
Hmmm, Mother's Day? I have other sponsitility that day. I am actually impressed with ya'lls ability to find days I can't ride :)

~tommy

McVaaahhh
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 12:20 PM
DK, did you even think about the fact that the 13th was mother's day? :alien:

McVaaahhh
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 12:25 PM
Oh yeah and read The Pace in Bob's post. I try and follow that as much as possible and have found it is a great way to ride. Riding the pace lets you go fast if you want, but leaves a whole lot in reserve if you need it (and I've needed it before).

(for me) It's all about having fun: sweeping through corners on the power is so much more fun than panic braking trying to set up for one.

mtnairlover
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 12:43 PM
DK, did you even think about the fact that the 13th was mother's day? :alien:

I didn't think anyone else was paying attention cuz I mentioned that the first time the 13th was posted as the alternate and then again in my post here...hmmm.

Well, I'll go back to being invisible now...like most Moms...

Ok, ok...I won't sulk...guilt trips are not my thang. But, thanks Tommy and McVaaahhh for mentioning it.:)

rforsythe
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:18 PM
DK, did you even think about the fact that the 13th was mother's day? :alien:

Then invite yo mamma to come along. Let's ride!!

Brizz
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Moms are over rated..I had one once...ONCE

Suki
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:25 PM
the 13th is mama's day??? sweet! more presents!!!!! :D

and to ensure that i am still on topic, i am considering this voyage as well.

mtnairlover
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:30 PM
:p

and to ensure that i am still on topic, i am considering this voyage as well.

Cool:)

Oh, and Jon?:p Now, gimme my hug, dammit!

Brizz
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:47 PM
:p

Cool:)

Oh, and Jon?:p Now, gimme my hug, dammit!
Maybe at the ride!...:)

konichd
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:54 PM
My back seat is open for "hot moms" so lets ride! :)

mtnairlover
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:54 PM
Maybe at the ride!...:)

Ha!!! You're such a tease...

rybo
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:55 PM
My back seat is open for "hot moms" so lets ride! :)

DK, you're brilliant man....I never even thought of that plan.......I need some of your "mad marketing skillz"

Brizz
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 01:59 PM
DK, you're brilliant man....I never even thought of that plan.......I need some of your "mad marketing skillz"
Well he did tell me that i had about the nicest ass that he knows!:shocked:

Spiderman
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 02:04 PM
My back seat is open for "hot moms" so lets ride! :)
Here's a new avatar for you to help with that endeavor, DK: :D

http://logo.cafepress.com/9/3966518.1428919.JPG

:lol:

Suki
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 02:06 PM
:lol: nice bob!

Mel
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 02:20 PM
http://logo.cafepress.com/9/3966518.1428919.JPG

:lol:

At least you know they put out....

*GSXR~SNAIL*
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 02:23 PM
At least you know they use to put out....

Edited your post Beotch.

konichd
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Avatar fixed! Thanks Bob! :)

Devaclis
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 03:08 PM
GILF Hunter - Also, if there are newbs who may not have gear, I have some extras I can bring:

1 textile Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket, Large
1 Pair large gloves
1 medium Icon Aliance helmet
1 pair size 32 mens textile pants

McVaaahhh
Thu Apr 19th, 2007, 03:27 PM
GILF Hunter - Also, if there are newbs who may not have gear, I have some extras I can bring:

1 textile Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket, Large
1 Pair large gloves
1 medium Icon Aliance helmet
1 pair size 32 mens textile pants

Balls Not Included :lol:

firegixx600
Fri Apr 20th, 2007, 05:35 AM
I'd be down for the ride! I've riden in groups before, just not here in CO. I hope it is warm so I can sweat it up like a whore in church

Graphics
Fri Apr 20th, 2007, 03:11 PM
Im down to help out where needed. I will have emt supplies on board.

The Rocketeer
Fri Apr 20th, 2007, 03:39 PM
That's exactly 3 days post surgery.....sorry guys, I won't be doing this one :(

cdbouncer
Fri Apr 20th, 2007, 04:09 PM
Balls Not Included :lol:


oh..see - this might be exactly what i'm going to be needing!!!! :shocked:


oh...and we might be +2 currently non csc peeps

prickle
Sat Apr 21st, 2007, 03:27 PM
I will be there!

With pants!

Hazaah!

JustSomeDude
Fri Apr 27th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Hey prickle... good to see you on here!! Are you riding this weekend? Wanna meet up Sunday morning for a short ride?

Sweetokole
Sat Apr 28th, 2007, 08:43 AM
You guys/gals make me laugh... need more chuckles in my life for sure. I'm a newbie and look forward to the ride. Hope my son will join me if that's okay?

Flip
Sat Apr 28th, 2007, 09:13 AM
Is the route or time frame scheduled yet? I'd love to go, but I need to be back for other obligations mid-afternoon.

rforsythe
Sat Apr 28th, 2007, 04:08 PM
I don't think the route has been set per se, but I'd think we would be back mid-afternoon.

Ghost
Sun Apr 29th, 2007, 01:45 PM
I'll be there with bells (balls?) on....actually, skip the bells. I'll be there. Someone call my mom for me and wish her a happy Mother's Day so I don't have to. :lol:

firegixx600
Sun May 6th, 2007, 09:29 AM
any springs folks going up wanna meet at the Ihop on N Academy around 6:30? I'll plan on being there so if I see you I see you

Brat
Wed May 9th, 2007, 04:22 PM
yeah any springs folks gonna do this ride, besides firegixx? i am contemplating this bc i love riding with bikes even if they are all better than mine... if enough springs folks go i would bikavan up with ya, i LOVE twisties, i would like to avoid getting another ticket however.... stoopid state patrol.... :D LOL. but this sounds like it would be nice, so youve done this once...? was there any police contact that was an issue last year? but i would like to go on my ol katana... sound up springs guys/gals..
Brat:turtle:

Devaclis
Wed May 9th, 2007, 04:29 PM
Any chance on getting an estimated route? I have a few peeps that may go depending on the route.

rforsythe
Wed May 9th, 2007, 04:33 PM
Open to suggestions, just nothing that will take 6 hours to ride because noob's are not going to last that long. Like 2 hrs to a lunch stop, 2 hrs back max, with some stops in between.

Brat
Wed May 9th, 2007, 04:47 PM
im looking forward to the route as well, i can ride as long as i have gas.

konichd
Wed May 9th, 2007, 04:52 PM
UPDATE

The exit for Morrison will be closed this weekend. However, you can still access it from Morrison Road. I still want this to be the rally point.

ROUTE

1. We go up Evergreen, over to 285, down Deckers to Woodland Park, eat at the Casino, loop on back

2. Up Evergreen, over Squaw Pass to Echo Lake, Down to Central City, Peak to Peak, eat in Estes, down 7

3. Same route as last year, Up and then over to 285, off to Breckenridge, etc.

We can discuss the morning also to take in account road conditions, etc. since SAFETY IS THE #1 PRIORITY ON THIS RIDE!

There are a lot of routes we can choose, that way if groups want to split off at noon they can do so, if you want to ride the whole day we can do that too! :)

Spiderman
Wed May 9th, 2007, 04:55 PM
Since we're meeting in Morrison, my vote is:
C-470 to Wadsworth
South on S Platte Canyon Rd to Waterton Rd
East on Waterton Rd to Rampart Range Rd
North on Rampart Range Rd (becoomes Titan Rd)
Follow Titan Rd to Hwy 85 (Santa Fe)
85 South to Sedalia
SW on 67 to 105
105 to Palmer lake for lunch.

Return can either be reverse of the above (my choice), or east to 85, north to Parker, west on Lincoln to I-25, short stretch on I-25 to C-470, then back to Morrison?

Edit: Just saw that DK posted route options. Nonetheless, I'll leave this up here as an option. Remember, this is a NEWB ride. ;)

konichd
Wed May 9th, 2007, 04:56 PM
I find that acceptable Bobby! :)

Spiderman
Wed May 9th, 2007, 05:14 PM
Though I do like Hwy 74, Squaw Pass, Echo lake & al (with lunch in Idaho Springs), there are parts that are too technical for a Newb ride, plus the amount of traffic that 74 sees will create a logistical nightmare trying to keep even small groups together. I say we keep it simple and to ensure that everybody has a good time. 8)

konichd
Wed May 9th, 2007, 05:19 PM
Agreed, DK ain't got no problem "just kickin' it" :)

rforsythe
Wed May 9th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I'm just not wild (at all) about a noob ride down 105 and then back up 83, it turns into a drag race and I would likely bow out of it at Palmer if that was the return route as I have no desire to be a part of that. If we reversed at Palmer it might work...

I'm not opposed to a mountain ride just because it should be quite warm this weekend, though it can get chilly "up there". I actually kind of liked the route last year, it was scenic and not too technical; the ride down the hill towards Fairplay has potential for squidliness, but I think with some good pre-ride coaching it should be fine. I'd also be up for going into Estes via P2P just because I haven't done that in about 2 years...

Cassius32
Wed May 9th, 2007, 05:29 PM
I say we go this route;
C-470 to I-25
I-25 south to springs, the kicker is everyone has to be up on one wheel or we kick you off your bike. Baptism by fire huh?
No not so much


Oh
sorry, wrong forum I was looking for the psycho stunters forum.

I'm there wherever we go I finally get to come play
yeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssss:hump: Too excited gotta calm down before Sun

rybo
Wed May 9th, 2007, 05:30 PM
My vote is Estes via P2P.

Eat in Estes and maybe split at estes for the northern/southern crew. Northern heads along 7 back through longmont...southern? I'm not sure, but there are 10 possible routes from there.

konichd
Wed May 9th, 2007, 05:31 PM
Cass are you still 6'-4" 320lbs these days? :lol:

I like Ralphs idea, P to P and eat in Estes :)

Sully
Wed May 9th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Cassius is an ex-footballlaaaah :D... :think:.. I think..

I'll vote P2P.. or wherever..

Brat
Wed May 9th, 2007, 08:09 PM
i personally like the twisties, mtn rides, and the views it entails. i beleive i am going plus firegixx600 as well two from the springs. :) maybe three if i can talk my friend into bringing his ninja out.

Devaclis
Thu May 10th, 2007, 07:37 AM
I'm just not wild (at all) about a noob ride down 105 and then back up 83, it turns into a drag race and I would likely bow out of it at Palmer if that was the return route as I have no desire to be a part of that. If we reversed at Palmer it might work...

I have to disagree 100%. I have led more than 1 newb ride on this loop and NEVER had an issue with drag racing. Hell, Scott and I took a newb on this route a few weeks ago and it was great. If that is the only argument for not taking this route it is a poor argument. These are new riders and will follow the lead of a GOOD trip leader. Can't you guys remember what it was like to be a damn new rider? Man this is frustrating.

I have let you guys know what I think about taking a large group of new riders up through the canyons. I think it is utterly stupid. Ejoy your ride.

rybo
Thu May 10th, 2007, 07:48 AM
Dana,

P2P isn't that technical, it's a pretty mellow ride with wide sweeping corners that you can see around, so I don't see your beef with it.

I agree that the 105/83 is a great newb ride, but think the P2P can be a great ride in this area as well.

Devaclis
Thu May 10th, 2007, 08:06 AM
Scott,

I don't have beef with the entire route. I have issue with some of the roads getting there and comming back. My other issue is with the attitude of this ride. It does not seem like it is really for the new riders but more for the enjoyment of the others. I know how safe you guys are. I trust you all. I just do not trust the judgement of every new rider that will be going out with you guys. You know I am an verly cautious rider. I am projecting my concerns hoping you will pick them up.

rybo
Thu May 10th, 2007, 08:12 AM
I hear you Dana.

It will be very easy for me to talk to new riders about getting in over your head this week. Hell, I did it and I've been riding for a long time. The only good news on my end is I chose an apporpriate place to push the limits. That place is NOT the street in any circumstance.

Thanks for your voice on this one, like you said in one of your earlier posts a good ride leader will keep the whole crew in check.

s

Devaclis
Thu May 10th, 2007, 08:32 AM
Thanks man. I'll see you guys before the ride :)

Cassius32
Thu May 10th, 2007, 09:00 AM
Cass is an ex-basketballer, and it's 6'6" thank you very much. 320 is pushin it, but I will claim 240. be good to ride with you guys again.

konichd
Thu May 10th, 2007, 09:20 AM
Dana,
I agree with you, and your absoloutly correct that proper attention to what this ride is intended for is made clear before the ride starts. Last year with 60+ bikes things went smooth with a pre-ride sermon from Reverend Ralph and clergy man Nick Ninja. Everyone rode their own pace that was controlled by the group leader, and the sweepers did a good job keeping things in check.

The only thing I heard of was 1 speeding ticket, and 1 *minor* lowside on gravel coming into a gas station. :dunno:

I can't say it enough but RIDE YOUR OWN PACE! You won't get left behind or shamed, this ride's for the benifit of CSC's newer riding members

JustSomeDude
Thu May 10th, 2007, 09:45 AM
Wait - the Morrison exit is closed? How the hell do I get there then?

:dunno:

konichd
Thu May 10th, 2007, 09:48 AM
Only the South C470 exit will be closed.

pilot
Thu May 10th, 2007, 10:02 AM
From CDOT:

Friday, May 11 through Monday, May 14, 2007
C-470 at Morrison Road - (Expanion joint replacement) Beginning Friday at 10 p.m. and continuing through 5:30 a.m. Monday, all lanes of southbound C-470 will be closed. Traffic will be detoured onto the on and off ramps at Morrison Rd. The State Patrol will direct traffic on Morrison Rd.





http://www.dot.state.co.us/TravelInfo/CurrentCond/ClosuresWeekend.htm

dm_gsxr
Thu May 10th, 2007, 10:18 AM
Rita's interested in going on the ride (woo hoo!) but she want's a less twisty, more newbie type ride. Probably peak to peak if those are the only two choices. And she _wil_ ride her own ride, take it from me. May as well make us the sweep riders :D

Also, we were up on P2P a week and a half ago and it was pretty sandy in all the corners from 7 to 72 (past Nederland). Don't know if it changed since then though.

Carl

rforsythe
Thu May 10th, 2007, 10:23 AM
I have to disagree 100%. I have led more than 1 newb ride on this loop and NEVER had an issue with drag racing. Hell, Scott and I took a newb on this route a few weeks ago and it was great. If that is the only argument for not taking this route it is a poor argument. These are new riders and will follow the lead of a GOOD trip leader. Can't you guys remember what it was like to be a damn new rider? Man this is frustrating.

I have let you guys know what I think about taking a large group of new riders up through the canyons. I think it is utterly stupid. Ejoy your ride.

Damn dude, try some decaf and chill. :) I was basing my concern on an actual ride I was there for (but not leading), so it was a valid point as I don't want to see new riders getting all throttle happy. Yes the ride leaders set the pace, and I trust in those leading this group to keep it in check (you, Scott, whoever). I'm in the back playing sweeper anyway so I don't care. If you guys don't want a canyon ride that's fine with me, I just expect those in front to keep a sensible pace even in those couple boring long stretches along Hwy 83 that get a little "quick" at times. It sounds like that's your intent, so whatever's clever with me. My only concern here is the safety of those on this ride, and I think either way is fine as long as people know what to expect and don't outride themselves.

rforsythe
Thu May 10th, 2007, 10:25 AM
Also, we were up on P2P a week and a half ago and it was pretty sandy in all the corners from 7 to 72 (past Nederland). Don't know if it changed since then though.

That may be the deciding factor above all else... Is anyone planning to be up that way on Saturday? If not, I will be in Erie unloading the R2SL gear Sat AM and could maybe take a quick peek up P2P with the truck after that. Or we just say fugg it now and go the southern route, which is certainly less twisty.

pilot
Thu May 10th, 2007, 10:28 AM
Any chance of getting the original post updated with the list of leads and sweeps. Perhaps the route/pace should be agreed upon by them.

JM2 cents

dirkterrell
Thu May 10th, 2007, 10:29 AM
Also, we were up on P2P a week and a half ago and it was pretty sandy in all the corners from 7 to 72 (past Nederland). Don't know if it changed since then though.


I decided to get started on the weekend early and stayed home to do some tile work in one of our bathrooms. I'm ahead of schedule and the bikes are talking to me. I'll run up Boulder Canyon to Ned and then 7->72->Estes and see how things look. Any other requests? Anyone care to join me?

Dirk

eklew
Thu May 10th, 2007, 11:05 AM
Have fun out there Sunday. Will not be able to make it.

rybo
Thu May 10th, 2007, 11:08 AM
Have fun out there Sunday. Will not be able to make it.
boooo!

change your other plans and get there you slacker!

Nick_Ninja
Thu May 10th, 2007, 11:13 AM
Be safe. I'll be with my Mamma :D

Sortarican
Thu May 10th, 2007, 11:17 AM
Moms are over rated..I had one once...ONCE
4027

Since it's Mother's day, I'm riding Bitch on my Mom's bike!
(She's fast, at least that's what Dad say's.)

jbnwc
Thu May 10th, 2007, 01:26 PM
Ralph - I can lead or sweep if you need me to. Let me know. I'll be there with the wifey either way.

eklew
Thu May 10th, 2007, 03:10 PM
boooo!

change your other plans and get there you slacker!

I wish I could but that is the only day that I can return Dave's truck back to him. I thought we were going to hang out at your pad later that day?

dirkterrell
Thu May 10th, 2007, 03:12 PM
Ok, I just got back from the P2P run up to Estes. 72 has sand/gravel on the centerline in quite a few places but the lanes are mostly clear, with a few spots here and there with thin strips of light stuff in the center of the lanes. 7 is pretty clean to Estes with a few spots with light stuff as you approach Estes. I don't think there'd be any problems. The few spots that require attention have clear lines of sight and at the speeds we'd be going with the newcomers, it'd be an easy and enjoyable ride for them.

Dirk

rybo
Thu May 10th, 2007, 03:22 PM
I wish I could but that is the only day that I can return Dave's truck back to him. I thought we were going to hang out at your pad later that day?

We are....I'm doing the newb ride and then riding home from there. The message I got from Jen is that you guys aren't heading my way till late afternoon....has that changed?

eklew
Thu May 10th, 2007, 03:53 PM
We are....I'm doing the newb ride and then riding home from there. The message I got from Jen is that you guys aren't heading my way till late afternoon....has that changed?

No, things haven't changed. I can wait until late afternoon to drop the truck off and then we can hang out when you get back from the ride. I don't have enough time to change the track stuff back to street right now as I leave for Utah tomorrow. But who knows, if I get back in time to make it street legal, I will try to make the ride!!

500rgurl
Thu May 10th, 2007, 03:59 PM
Anyone want to help me put some street plastic on elkew's bike while he's gone tomorrow? I could try to figure it out but who knows if they will stay on!

dm_gsxr
Thu May 10th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Ok, I just got back from the P2P run up to Estes. 72 has sand/gravel on the centerline in quite a few places but the lanes are mostly clear, with a few spots here and there with thin strips of light stuff in the center of the lanes. 7 is pretty clean to Estes with a few spots with light stuff as you approach Estes. I don't think there'd be any problems. The few spots that require attention have clear lines of sight and at the speeds we'd be going with the newcomers, it'd be an easy and enjoyable ride for them.

Dirk

Good to hear. I know that 7 itself was clear from Lyons to P2P and 72 (Coal Creek Road) was clearer than P2P was. I had to really stay in the car tracks coming from 7 to Nederland and up to CCR.

Thanks for checking.

Carl

pilot
Thu May 10th, 2007, 11:47 PM
Just got back in from a run up and down:

Old US 40 along I-70 clean and good to Central City Parkway
CCP clean, as usual
119 to Golden Gate, decent
Golden Gate Canyon... sand in just about every corner (not good for new riders)

FZRguy
Fri May 11th, 2007, 01:56 AM
I like Bob’s suggested route mainly b/c it’s short and simple. Estes is just too far for a new rider, and how ya planning on getting there? Golden Gate and 72 are quite technical and lots of sand as reported. The only other alternative is CCP thru Blackhawk, which is probably best but will have plenty of gambling traffic on a nice Sunday. Still, I think it’s too far if this is truly a ride for noobs.

DevilsTonic
Fri May 11th, 2007, 07:30 AM
I vote y'all figure it out before sunday so that we're not standing around arguing about it. ;)

Alternatively, there seems to be a group that prefers to ride up north and a group that prefers to stay in the south.....is it out of the question to lead 2 rides? I know there are people in both regions with the skills to lead/sweep some newbs around...http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o9/yzfr1grl/Smileys/zz2cents.gif

pilot
Fri May 11th, 2007, 07:45 AM
Dave's post says depart by 9:30 sharp. So be it.

I'm going to venture a guess that no matter what the route, NSEW, up/down, flat/hilly, curvy/straight, etc., that some will say YEA and others NAY-with the usual suspects of rationality--that route is short and I need to be at Mom's later; that ride ends too far away from my house, so let's go the other way, I don't want to ride in the (insert phrase of choice) because of (yada, ya).

In the end a route will be chosen, bikes will depart and a good time will be had by most, if not all.

Let the chips fall where they may.

~Barn~
Fri May 11th, 2007, 08:33 AM
+1

And try not to be the person who crashes. It's nice to have your own 4-page thread and all, but not because of that. :lol:

rybo
Fri May 11th, 2007, 08:37 AM
+1

And try not to be the person who crashes. It's nice to have your own 4-page thread and all, but not because of that. :lol:

hey....easy killer.....:)

~Barn~
Fri May 11th, 2007, 08:44 AM
That was to nobody in particular by-the-way. Didn't mean for that to seem a direct comment at Pilot, if it was read that way.

But yeah... ride safe people. That's all I'm sayin'.
:D

rforsythe
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:08 AM
Alright well after some discussion with Dana, perhaps the southern route will be best (down 105? to Palmer). If we're leaving at 9:30 sharp, I'd personally like to see all ride leaders there by 8:45 or so - that way we can make sure everyone is on the same page. All other riders, be there with your bike parked and gear off by 9:10, so we can do a quick pre-ride talk and have a last few minutes for gas-up's.

That work for the rest of you? I don't think we'll need any maps of this one since the new riders will all be under close supervision, but if any of you think handouts of ride rules and such would be useful, let me know and I can print some off.

In case there are misconceptions about how fast/hard we'll be going, let me be clear on this: We will be at or close to the speed limit. We will not be dragging anything through the corners. This is a ride designed to be friendly for new riders, including those without the experience to know when they're pushing it "too far", hence why we have ride leaders to demonstrate safe technique and show what those limits are. If you are an experienced rider this will likely fall under the guise of "boring" for you, unless you are there for the explicit purpose of teaching another new rider. If you're coming with the expectation to go balls out or impress everyone else with your daring skill and mastery of all things two wheels, please stay home or go somewhere else.

All new riders are welcome on this ride! Even if you are apprehensive about the bike, we will make sure you are able to ride at your own pace, and probably pick up some good tips along the way. The ride leaders will hang back with anyone who just doesn't feel ok with keeping pace, and make sure everyone has a safe and fun time. We want all of you new riders to stay in the sport for a lifetime, and we're all committed to making sure you have a positive experience, no matter how "green" your skill level.

Spiderman
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:13 AM
:up: 8)

rybo
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:20 AM
All new riders are welcome on this ride! Even if you are apprehensive about the bike, we will make sure you are able to ride at your own pace, and probably pick up some good tips along the way. The ride leaders will hang back with anyone who just doesn't feel ok with keeping pace, and make sure everyone has a safe and fun time. We want all of you new riders to stay in the sport for a lifetime, and we're all committed to making sure you have a positive experience, no matter how "green" your skill level.

I would like to add, however, that even if you are green, we expect you to arrive with a M endorsement on your drivers license, your bike properly registered and insurance as required by the law.

I'll see you all there Sunday morning!

scott

DevilsTonic
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:25 AM
Alright well after some discussion with Dana, perhaps the southern route will be best (down 105? to Palmer). If we're leaving at 9:30 sharp, I'd personally like to see all ride leaders there by 8:45 or so - that way we can make sure everyone is on the same page. All other riders, be there with your bike parked and gear off by 9:10, so we can do a quick pre-ride talk and have a last few minutes for gas-up's.

That work for the rest of you?:up: Yup, perfect!!

Sully
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:27 AM
So does this mean Dana and Sweetie Pie are going on the n00b ride ??

dm_gsxr
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:29 AM
Technically, I'd note that the sweep riders will stay with even the slowest rider vs the ride leaders. The leaders might want to reevaluate the pace if it takes 5 minutes for everyone to get to the next stop/break but the sweep riders should not pass any rider.

Other than that, count me in. Rita's fickle. She's expressed an interest in coming but still might change her mind :)

Carl

07gixxer750
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:36 AM
Thats the exit to Bandimere Speedway right? Is that the one that's closed? If so, I will be completely lost.

~Barn~
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:42 AM
Thats the exit to Bandimere Speedway right? Is that the one that's closed? If so, I will be completely lost.

They'll have an appropriate detour set up for you:

C-470 at Morrison Road - (Expanion joint replacement) Beginning Friday at 10 p.m. and continuing through 5:30 a.m. Monday, all lanes of southbound C-470 will be closed. Traffic will be detoured onto the on and off ramps at Morrison Rd. The State Patrol will direct traffic on Morrison Rd.

dm_gsxr
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:50 AM
If you don't want to deal with the traffic, you can get off of 70 at 6, follow 40 west and then make a left turn on 93 to come to Morrison via the back way. In town make the left on the main drag and the left into the station. I generally come that way anyway (well, I come down 93 from Broomfield).

http://www.schelin.org/proposed/morrison.png

Carl

McVaaahhh
Fri May 11th, 2007, 11:11 AM
Sounds like just the lanes of the hwy will be closed, and detoured onto the ramps so I would be willing to be that there will be no problem getting to the conoco, other than maybe a large amount of traffic.

FZRguy
Fri May 11th, 2007, 01:05 PM
For those traveling west on Hwy 285, just continue one mile to Hwy 8 to avoid the construction deal. Possible lunch stop is O’Malley’s Pub in Palmer Lake. Maybe we should call and warn them? Phone is (719) 488-0321.

Jason ON
Fri May 11th, 2007, 03:20 PM
Darnit all ...! Wouldn't you know my birthday is Saturday and I will be in no shape (read: sober, alert) to ride Sunday morning.

McVaaahhh
Fri May 11th, 2007, 03:32 PM
For those traveling west on Hwy 285, just continue one mile to Hwy 8 to avoid the construction deal. Possible lunch stop is O’Malley’s Pub in Palmer Lake. Maybe we should call and warn them? Phone is (719) 488-0321.

Could do a quick strafe of Parmalee Gulch Road as well. :eyebrows:

Brat
Fri May 11th, 2007, 06:43 PM
doesnt seem like any springs peeps wanna make the ride... i am curious about the twisties on this ride? never been on these roads or i could have, memory isnt all that good....

firegixx600
Fri May 11th, 2007, 06:49 PM
I think everyone is afraid that it's going to be the same pace as a parade! I don't have to ride fast all the time, it's nice to slow down and be able to check out some of the scenery...plus last time i was up that way i was soaking wet and wiping snow and ice of my visor every 10 seconds

Sully
Fri May 11th, 2007, 08:15 PM
I don't think it's going to be "parade" pace.. but if you are a more experienced rider, you can be in a faster paced group and ride ahead.. at least I would think so anyway :)

Nick_Ninja
Fri May 11th, 2007, 09:16 PM
If I remember correctly, there wasn't this much 'hand-holding' on the last n00b ride --- :roll:

*GSXR~SNAIL*
Fri May 11th, 2007, 09:17 PM
Well, I organized this last year and due to interest will be organizing this little event again. Last year we had 60+ bikes show up! :)

When: Sunday May 13th (or open to alternate dates)
Where: Morrison Conoco off C-470 park on south side curb!
Time: Be there by 9am, leave by 9:30am sharp




So, this is still happening and at the above time and place, right?

ccdirtrider05
Fri May 11th, 2007, 10:19 PM
I will be giving my mother the gift of me not buggin her for the day so i will be coming up from the springs for sure.. was gonna see if i could hook up with brat and firegixx600 for the trip up there.. it was the Ihop on N academy @ 630?

firegixx600
Sat May 12th, 2007, 05:49 AM
Yeah, i threw that out there, don't remember anyone chiming in though? I'm gonna be there at 6:30am and try to leave by 7:30-45ish (shouldn't take over an hour) Anyone else coming from the springs is welcome, I just gotta eat before I ride!

Sully
Sat May 12th, 2007, 08:23 AM
If I remember correctly, there wasn't this much 'hand-holding' on the last n00b ride --- :roll:

'Cuz you were trying to hold bewbies :boobies:

.. Maybe someone expressed concerns from last year's ride ??.. and we have new n00bs this year.. .. I think they just want people to participate and be safe..... :dunno:

rforsythe
Sat May 12th, 2007, 08:38 AM
I don't think it's going to be "parade" pace.. but if you are a more experienced rider, you can be in a faster paced group and ride ahead.. at least I would think so anyway :)

Perhaps, yes. It will depend largely on the demographics of the riders who show up. It won't be parade pace by any means, but we are going to have some very new riders on this thing, and will stay within everyones' limits. If a subset wish to pick up the pace and meet at the next checkpoint that's fine with me, but we'll always have leaders there to hold back with the ones who aren't comfortable with that.


If I remember correctly, there wasn't this much 'hand-holding' on the last n00b ride --- :roll:

The last noob ride I went on, was 2/3 experienced riders, and 1/3 noobs. It was also a messy experience and we witnessed a lot of stupidity with new riders trying to do the same things the experienced riders were, which almost ended badly. So if this seems like hand-holding to you Jeff, then this isn't the ride for you. This ride is for new (i.e. intimidated, impressionable, possibly scared) riders to get some time under their leathers with experienced people in a safer way. This isn't the ride where experienced riders demonstrate how fast they can go, or how tight they can pass that car - it's where experienced riders teach the new ones, remembering that those new riders have but a fraction of the experience or acquired skill.

It isn't hand-holding, it's education. And as I've said to everyone already, this is not a typical CSC weekend ride - don't show up expecting anything different. If a bunch of experienced folks want to have a different ride somewhere else it won't hurt our feelings any; we just don't want to mix one of "those" rides with this one.

You were slow and inexperienced once too Jeff, and the "but it was the 1800's and we didn't even have bikes then" excuse doesn't cut it. ;) :D


So, this is still happening and at the above time and place, right?

Yes! :up: Pre-ride meeting will be at 9:10 sharp, please be parked and lid-off by that point. Ride leaders/sweepers be in the same condition by 8:45 so we can all chat beforehand.

VFR
Sat May 12th, 2007, 09:08 AM
Yeah, i threw that out there, don't remember anyone chiming in though? I'm gonna be there at 6:30am and try to leave by 7:30-45ish (shouldn't take over an hour) Anyone else coming from the springs is welcome, I just gotta eat before I ride!


I will see you there

Brat
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:37 AM
damn man 6:30am, sleeping in made that sound EARLY! i am still thinking of rolling, i want to ride fast though in the twisties. but i can restrain myself, im not a newb but i can ride relaxed too, enjoy the scenery i know we'll see. and its looking like its gonna be nice as hell out! i guess 6:30..am........ at ihop, so lets see two from the south fountain area, one from cripple creek, ( damn you get to haul ass through twisties to get here, not fair) I-hop i guess it is, unless someone wants to meet elsewere. is that early enough, i really dont want to speed down the interstate or anywere a cop can ticket and individual... ( :slappers: )
Brat:turtle:

Zanos
Sat May 12th, 2007, 11:56 AM
I will stop by for the ride. I work the evening; therefor, I may need to cut off. I would be more than happy to sweep as I may be doubled up.

firegixx600
Sat May 12th, 2007, 02:13 PM
is that early enough, i really dont want to speed down the interstate or anywere a cop can ticket and individual... ( :slappers: )
Brat:turtle:

I know it doesn't take an hour and a half, so we should have plenty of time. Should take just under an hour to get there...i'd say we could take 105, but I havn't been on it and don't want to be showing up fashionably late:turtle: We won't have to hurry or anything so don't worry bout the smokeys

pilot
Sat May 12th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Interchange Update - C470 and Morrison Exit:

Just came from a ride down Bear Creek Rd, Evergreen to Morrison. CDOT has traffic flowing southbound on C470 exiting at the Morrison offramp. Northbound (didn't get a real good look) appears to be exiting at Morrison. On ramp from Morrison to Southbound C470 open. Looks the same for on ramp to northbound C470.

Basically the overpass is closed for paving work.

Brat
Sat May 12th, 2007, 04:26 PM
so this is the exit to get to bandimere? right? that gas station as you enter bandimere?
good looking out on the road condition post too eh. if 105 is the road the goes to denver from castle rock on the west side of I-25 i know the way, and it connects with 470. shizaym
Brat

CanyonCarver
Sat May 12th, 2007, 04:38 PM
I will be showing up for the ride also.. I can't ride long, I will have to cut out early guys...

Shea
Sat May 12th, 2007, 04:42 PM
so this is the exit to get to bandimere? right? that gas station as you enter bandimere?
good looking out on the road condition post too eh. if 105 is the road the goes to denver from castle rock on the west side of I-25 i know the way, and it connects with 470. shizaym
Brat

Actually it is 85/Sante Fe that you are referring to. 105 goes from Sedalia to Palmer Lake/Monument.

mtnmax
Sat May 12th, 2007, 06:13 PM
What is the anticipated return time to denver, I have to be downtown by 1:00pm for other plans. I have never been on a larger group ride so I have no idea as to how long they generally take, the most I have ever ridin with is two other bikes.

rforsythe
Sat May 12th, 2007, 06:20 PM
Well, assuming we leave at 9:30, I estimate it taking about an hour and a half at the most to get to Palmer at our slower pace (it's about ~45 min down I-25 from there). So times two, I'd say we will be back to the south end of Denver at about lunchtime, 12:30 or so. That's just a guess though.

dm_gsxr
Sat May 12th, 2007, 07:23 PM
Well, we may be bailing. We took a ride over to Co PowerSports in Boulder and then did some running around and she's more interested in going up Peak to Peak (plus the 500 she was looking at is in Ft Collins and she wants to take a look).

We'll be there in the morning but we'll head on up to Peak to Peak.

Carl

Cars-R-Coffins
Sat May 12th, 2007, 07:31 PM
I'm not an inexperienced rider but ever since I broke my leg in April I've been trying to get back on the bike so I think I'll tag along and attempt to rehabilitate it :leghump: I'm looking forward to meeting some new riders! See you in the AM :hibye:

MUSHMEAT
Sat May 12th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Went down with some Noobs to Deckers and back, seemed like it's all they could handle on a HOT day. Had fun. Goin there tomorrow again.

Brat
Sat May 12th, 2007, 08:27 PM
firegixx why so early in the am? if 9am is depart time? but i should still be in! +NINJA IF he can

firegixx600
Sat May 12th, 2007, 09:00 PM
firegixx why so early in the am? if 9am is depart time? but i should still be in! +NINJA IF he can
I'm just guessin on the time...I figure leave here by 7:30 get there round 8:30-45? I'm just very punctual and am never late(usually early for that matter)! Ur welcome to roll out 30 or so later than me

Terra
Sat May 12th, 2007, 09:10 PM
Count me in...

I guess I'll be the cop magnet and keep them busy for a spell... :vader:

--
Terra

Sully
Sat May 12th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Well, we may be bailing. We took a ride over to Co PowerSports in Boulder and then did some running around and she's more interested in going up Peak to Peak (plus the 500 she was looking at is in Ft Collins and she wants to take a look).

We'll be there in the morning but we'll head on up to Peak to Peak.

Carl

Just be careful .. heard that from Nederland to 7 is sandy ! :shocked:

Devaclis
Sat May 12th, 2007, 09:53 PM
Perhaps, yes. It will depend largely on the demographics of the riders who show up. It won't be parade pace by any means, but we are going to have some very new riders on this thing, and will stay within everyones' limits. If a subset wish to pick up the pace and meet at the next checkpoint that's fine with me, but we'll always have leaders there to hold back with the ones who aren't comfortable with that.



The last noob ride I went on, was 2/3 experienced riders, and 1/3 noobs. It was also a messy experience and we witnessed a lot of stupidity with new riders trying to do the same things the experienced riders were, which almost ended badly. So if this seems like hand-holding to you Jeff, then this isn't the ride for you. This ride is for new (i.e. intimidated, impressionable, possibly scared) riders to get some time under their leathers with experienced people in a safer way. This isn't the ride where experienced riders demonstrate how fast they can go, or how tight they can pass that car - it's where experienced riders teach the new ones, remembering that those new riders have but a fraction of the experience or acquired skill.

It isn't hand-holding, it's education. And as I've said to everyone already, this is not a typical CSC weekend ride - don't show up expecting anything different. If a bunch of experienced folks want to have a different ride somewhere else it won't hurt our feelings any; we just don't want to mix one of "those" rides with this one.

You were slow and inexperienced once too Jeff, and the "but it was the 1800's and we didn't even have bikes then" excuse doesn't cut it. ;) :D



Yes! :up: Pre-ride meeting will be at 9:10 sharp, please be parked and lid-off by that point. Ride leaders/sweepers be in the same condition by 8:45 so we can all chat beforehand.

Thanks Ralph. You said it MUCH better than I could have :)

You wanna go on a regular ride, don't go on this one. You want to help some new riders WANT to become comfortable with regular rides, come and help us out!! Really, I was a newb not too long ago. Having a group or individuals like this is what made me want to become better and made me all happy in the pants to be a part of this community :)

Can't wait to sse you peeps tomorrow. Get there safe!

dirkterrell
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Is this Conoco station at C-470 and Morrison Rd.? I was originally going to be with a group coming down from the Northern lands but the thread seems to have died once Cathy bailed so I'm not sure what it going on. In case I don't hook up with anyone who has actually been to this place, I'd like to get a better idea of where I'm going than just "Morrison Conoco" :)

Dirk

Sully
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:24 PM
I don't know the exact address.. but you could probably mapquest or google it under the Bandimere Raceway .. it's the same exit :)

pilot
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:27 PM
Is this Conoco station at C-470 and Morrison Rd.? I was originally going to be with a group coming down from the Northern lands but the thread seems to have died once Cathy bailed so I'm not sure what it going on. In case I don't hook up with anyone who has actually been to this place, I'd like to get a better idea of where I'm going than just "Morrison Conoco" :)

Dirk
Yes, that is the place- Conoco/Circle K. There is a clock tower in the parking lot (not pictured).

dirkterrell
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:30 PM
I don't know the exact address.. but you could probably mapquest or google it under the Bandimere Raceway .. it's the same exit :)

Ok, I think I see where it is. I'm sure I'll see all the bikes. Thanks Sully (edit: and Pilot).

Dirk

Brat
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:37 PM
damn look at that pic, i dont see a single bike as old as mine... damnit. lol. firegixx i am gonna swing by id rather bikavan there, that way if i get lost i can blame you.. :D see ya in the a.m.
Brat

ZX Rider
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:37 PM
I'll be there.
I can sweep if needed.

dirkterrell
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:39 PM
I'll be there.

Excellent! :)

Dirk

Sully
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:39 PM
Remember to give yourself some extra time due to the lane closures at the Morrison exit....:scream1:

Brat
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:45 PM
anyone know if they have that high octane gas at that gas station? above 91octane?

Sully
Sat May 12th, 2007, 10:46 PM
negative

rybo
Sat May 12th, 2007, 11:19 PM
anyone know if they have that high octane gas at that gas station? above 91octane?

Why do you need it? Most stock or lightly modified bikes would only need 91 at most at this elevation. I usually run 89 in mine.

s

pilot
Sun May 13th, 2007, 06:44 AM
Suppose he could always toss in some octane booster. Or might that be bad?

Brat
Sun May 13th, 2007, 06:46 AM
eh, i run octane enhancer in mine and it does help, especially at altitude, i really dont know if its bad for it though. my bikes old i need to give it all the help i can. :D well aboot to head out to the spot springs people are meeting at. l8r
Brat:turtle:

Bueller
Sun May 13th, 2007, 07:17 AM
Altitude has the opposite effect on the need for higher octane. An old Katana motor (or any age) has no need of higher than mid grade and would probably do fine on regular, it is a relativly low compression engine. Higher octane does nothing for performance, it is to keep the motor from detonatng, if anything you are hurting performance. Do a search on octane, and you will see what I am talking about. You are just throwing $ away.

dm_gsxr
Sun May 13th, 2007, 07:32 AM
+1

I used to put "Premium" in my 'busa but when the prices got outragous, someone posted a similar thought. I checked my owners manual and found the 'busa only needs 87 octane. In the high country, I can put 85 in (subtract one octane for each half mile of altitude). Just check your owners manual and do the math.

Carl

rforsythe
Sun May 13th, 2007, 07:50 AM
Pretty much any stock bike at Denver or higher elevation can run the lowest octane at the pump, regardless of what the owner's manual says - those are written for sea level, where the increased air density requires additional octane.

Unless you have higher compression from engine modification or forced induction (supercharger, turbocharger), high octane gas is just you helping oil execs get richer while you lose power on your bike.

BlueDog
Sun May 13th, 2007, 08:26 AM
Well, see yall there. Has it been determined whether or not you can get to morrison road from 470 yet?

Brat
Sun May 13th, 2007, 01:51 PM
wow ya learn something new everyday... good to know to save $$$ treefitty a gal almost..
oh btw good seeing all the bikes, springs crew went and ended up seeing the group with the TLR in it, at woodland park, we got snowed on at horsepower hill. other than that good ride, pics will be up in a min.
Brat

BlueDog
Sun May 13th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Got back a little while ago, good ride but its unfortunate that we had the crash, those back to back 20 mph turns on 105 were really surprising. But the guy was back on his bike and riding when we saw him at the arby's so thats good.

CanyonCarver, e-mail me some of the better pictures when ya get a chance. bluedog66@gmail.com

lightning126zp
Sun May 13th, 2007, 02:03 PM
Got back a little while ago, good ride but its unfortunate that we had the crash, those back to back 20 mph turns on 105 were really surprising...
Crash, eh? Eveyone ok?

rforsythe
Sun May 13th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Crash, eh? Eveyone ok?

Yeah, just a minor tip-over from running a bit wide in a slow corner. Broke the turn signal, some scratched plastic, and his face had a small cut, but he almost saved it. We think he just grabbed a bunch of front brake out of instinct and that put him over.

Good ride though!

Brat
Sun May 13th, 2007, 02:24 PM
yeah we had a bike go down grabbed too much front brake and went down, stopped nye two feet from behind me and the honda. i was watching him slide towards us going, oh no.... he was fine plastics scrapped minorly, nothing a bit o paint wont fix.
looking forward to another, in the mtns the way the springs crew went.

dirkterrell
Sun May 13th, 2007, 03:05 PM
Yeah, that was Joel (kcchiefs) on a VStrom. I was sweeping the group and saw it from beginning to end. He got a little wide and went into the dirt. He was giving it a hell of a ride and I thought he was going to save it. I kept thinking "stay off that front brake, stay off that front brake" but it looked like he grabbed the front brake and it went down. He got a pretty good bump on the head but the helmet did the job. He seemed to be doing ok after the adrenalin settled down but with a potential head injury we played it safe and called the paramedics out. The paramedics gave him a thumbs up so after getting a ride from a sheriff's deputy to the next stop, he got back on the horse and rode on. I rode back home with him and he was doing fine.

Dirk

Zanos
Sun May 13th, 2007, 03:14 PM
Nice ride gents.

*GSXR~SNAIL*
Sun May 13th, 2007, 03:58 PM
It was really nice to meet so many good people today. It was also good putting a "screen name" with a real name and face.

Had a blast fellas...and gals. That ride from Deckers to Pine Junction was pretty "spirited". Thanks Bob for leading the charge. Had tons of fun.

Take care everyone.

BlueDog
Sun May 13th, 2007, 04:07 PM
It was really nice to meet so many good people today. It was also good putting a "screen name" with a real name and face.


Very true, now if only my memory was good enough to actually remember who was what screen name, there were loads of people.

Jose
Sun May 13th, 2007, 04:10 PM
WOW!! that was fun. thanks for all the help i got from the veterans. very well put together meet. thanks CSC

btw. i was the guy with the #3 on my jacket

Devaclis
Sun May 13th, 2007, 04:18 PM
The wife and I had a great time. She will most certainly ride with you guys again :)

JustSomeDude
Sun May 13th, 2007, 04:20 PM
Hey everyone! Great riding with you all and getting to meet some new people. We came back in through Woodland Park, briefly stopped in Deckers and up to 285. I can't remember the names of the leaders, but I know one was Scott. One of the board Admins took a faster crew on the Deckers/285 stretch.

As for Joel's wreck, I sincerely hope I didn't have anything to do with it. I was on his back left coming around that corner, and I breaked it a little late. I hope he didn't feel "pressured" coming around that turn because I came up on him. If so... I need to know, because I know what it's like to feel "rushed" in a corner, and I would never want some one else to feel that way.

:oops:

Glad he's ok - and overall, a great ride! Now I'm gonna throw on some crappy TNT flicks, sip my Amstel, and crash for a few hours. :siesta:

CanyonCarver
Sun May 13th, 2007, 05:48 PM
Sorry i couldn't ride back with the main group. I had to get back, it was very nice meeting ya'll. Had a blast, hope everyone got back ok!

dm_gsxr
Sun May 13th, 2007, 05:49 PM
Sorry we missed it. I had plans on leaving at 8:30ish so we could be there for a meet and greet but with getting everything together and making sure Rita had everything she needed, we didn't get out the door until about 9. I didn't think we had enough time to get to Morrison to say "hi" so we bailed at 72 and went up Coal Creek to Peak to Peak, down to Estes Park and down 34.

I got video of 72, Peak to Peak and 34. I'm retrieving it now and will post it for anyone interested in the video section.

Sorry to hear someone went down. Good that he's ok though.

Until next time.

Carl

ZX Rider
Sun May 13th, 2007, 06:11 PM
Great ride today !
Especially last part (Woodland Park to 285).
Thanks DK for organizing this.
Thanks Bob for leading.

kcchiefs
Sun May 13th, 2007, 07:30 PM
Thanks for the ride. Im doing mutch better right know. Will take inventory of the damage and start my first replacement program later this week. Other then that little problem that I had, I enjoyed the ride. still having a hard time remembering what happened but never the less will be riding with as soon as I replace my helment and turn signal. Thanks everyone for the help today, looking fowarde to riding again

Joel

CanyonCarver
Sun May 13th, 2007, 07:40 PM
Joel glad you had fun after the wreck. Maybe you just got your only accident out of the way :-)

ZX Rider
Sun May 13th, 2007, 07:47 PM
Glad you are OK Joel.
Crashing sucks big time.

Spiderman
Sun May 13th, 2007, 07:52 PM
It does, but like I said, any crash you can walk away from is a good one. Any crash you can ride away from is a better one. 8)

Good ride everybody! :up:

McVaaahhh
Sun May 13th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Had a ton of fun out there today! :D

Great ride. :up:

ccdirtrider05
Sun May 13th, 2007, 09:57 PM
Awesome ride today.. stuck with the Springs group and had a blast! all the way through deckers and woodland.. a good group to ride with and hope to do so again soon.. great pace the whole way, adverse weather on the top... plenty of fast corners.. overall fantastic ride.

Brat
Sun May 13th, 2007, 10:06 PM
hell yeah you hung through the twisties better than i thought you would man great riding with you, im sure we'll do it again, ive been logging at least 200miles a weekend or more, just keep your eye on springs posts.
Brat

firegixx600
Mon May 14th, 2007, 04:42 AM
Great to meet so many people...I know I won't remember most of you until I ride with you, but it was a pleasure! Awesome turnout and the weather couldn't have been better! Sorry to those from the springs that didn't get together with us for the ride up. Great ride all together and for me the pace was just about right! I'll be ready to hit some of the roads up north pretty soon so I will try to get with some of you north boys(n' girls) for a ride(all that p2p, cia, psp, nba stuff is so confusing to me:crazy: ) Until next time

Brat
Mon May 14th, 2007, 06:15 AM
no cia, none of that now....

pauliep
Mon May 14th, 2007, 09:01 AM
Pretty much any stock bike at Denver or higher elevation can run the lowest octane at the pump, regardless of what the owner's manual says - those are written for sea level, where the increased air density requires additional octane.

Unless you have higher compression from engine modification or forced induction (supercharger, turbocharger), high octane gas is just you helping oil execs get richer while you lose power on your bike.

that true for cars too then?

rybo
Mon May 14th, 2007, 09:08 AM
that true for cars too then?

yup- unless you own a Porsche.

GregsGSXR
Mon May 14th, 2007, 09:58 AM
Had a blast this weekend, the second half of the ride made it all worth it. Thanks and I will ride with you all again soon.

rforsythe
Mon May 14th, 2007, 11:17 AM
yup- unless you own a Porsche.

+1, plus car engines have knock sensors that would detect any detonation or pre-ignition and retard the timing anyway.

Brian428
Mon May 14th, 2007, 11:23 AM
It was a good ride, here's some pics I took. I'm working on photoshoping some other ones together since there were so many bikes. It took three pics to get them in a shot. I'll post those later.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/sycofox/DSC01030.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/sycofox/DSC01034.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/sycofox/DSC01036.jpg

Brian428
Mon May 14th, 2007, 11:24 AM
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/sycofox/DSC01038.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/sycofox/DSC01041.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/sycofox/DSC01043.jpg

flyingmonkey
Mon May 14th, 2007, 01:05 PM
Looks like you all had a good time. I wish I would of been there but I had my mother visiting.

Nice Pictures