Power From H2O

[InlineSIX24]

Story about a guy that has created enough HHO from water to make a 100 mile trip on 4 ounces of water in his car..
Most of these stories are crap, but supposedly this guy is demonstrating a patented process to the government and they have ordered a test vehicle.

http://rides.webshots.com/video/3075644400100027354ureDkZ?vhost=rides

http://videothumb12.webshots.com/thumb/22091/3075644400100027354ureDkZstill_002_0.jpg

[VFR]

The government also paid him for his patent so he could not sale it. Therefore, enjoy the gas prices

[Sortarican]

Story about a guy that has created enough HHO from water to make a 100 mile trip on 4 ounces of water in his car..


4 oz. water + electricity to split the hydrogen out of the water.

That's the catch for the processes right now.
It takes more energy to split out the hydrogen than the hydrogen is capable of producing.

Interested to see what the energy exchange rate of his process is, story didn't cover that.

[McVaaahhh]

That would be friggen awesome! :up:

[dirkterrell]

It's amazing how these hucksters appear like roaches when gas prices get high. :) There is so much misleading bullshit in that story it's not even funny. There's nothing new here. Hydrogen burns very well (see Hindenburg and space shuttle, for example) and could be a fine fuel for vehicles but this nonsense of "burning water" is just plain silly. You're not burning water. You're electrolizing water to get the hydrogen and in doing so, you have to add more energy than you'll get back by subsequently burning hydrogen. That electrical energy has to come from somewhere, so portraying this as some miraculous source of free energy is just snakeoil salesman bullshit. :scream1:

Dirk

[dirkterrell]

That's the catch for the processes right now.
It takes more energy to split out the hydrogen than the hydrogen is capable of producing.


And it always will. It's basic physics and all the fancy machines with magnets aren't going to change that.



Interested to see what the energy exchange rate of his process is, story didn't cover that.

I wonder why? Maybe I need some of those sarcasm pills from the other thread. http://www.boulder.swri.edu/%7Eterrell/images/goofy.gif

Dirk

[ChrisCBX]

It's amazing how these hucksters appear like roaches when gas prices get high. :) There is so much misleading bullshit in that story it's not even funny. There's nothing new here. Hydrogen burns very well (see Hindenburg and space shuttle, for example) and could be a fine fuel for vehicles but this nonsense of "burning water" is just plain silly. You're not burning water. You're electrolizing water to get the hydrogen and in doing so, you have to add more energy than you'll get back by subsequently burning hydrogen. That electrical energy has to come from somewhere, so portraying this as some miraculous source of free energy is just snakeoil salesman bullshit. :scream1:

Dirk

I guess you wouldn't be interested in the perpetual motion machine that I invented?

[VFR]

Or the 5D holographic Porn projector I just finished

[puckstr]

And at one time the Earth was also believed to be flat.

Tons if info search "Brown's gas" and HHO

This guy is not the First to do this.


Water can be used to fuel a car when used as a supplement to gasoline. In fact, very little water is needed! only one quart of waterprovides over 1800 gallons of HHO gas which can literally last for months and significantly increase your vehicle's fuel efficiently, improve emissions quality, and save you money.

[McVaaahhh]

Perfect world:

Solar power + braking friction charges batteries that provide the electricity to split H20 into HH0. :dunno:

[rybo]

Find an inexpensive way to produce enough electricity and then this becomes a reality. The solution is an economic one, however, not an actual energy solution. It will ALWAYS take more energy to split the hydrogen out than the hydrogen can produce, it's energy negative. There have been some great minds working on this, Einstein comes to mind, and I think they've got the physics right.

Now the economics, that is another story. If gas is $4 a gallon and I can produce electricity cheaply enough to go splitting the hydrogen out of water for less than that, then it's economically feasable. I think that's a long way off, but the technology to do it exists today. We're just all scared of it.

S

[JustSomeDude]

Bah - the electrolysis route will never be practical. Too much of a pain in the ass to split the hydrogen out. However, I believe this one has some legs (since the gallium is reusable)...

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2007a/070515WoodallHydrogen.html

"The Purdue Research Foundation holds title to the primary patent, which has been filed with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and is pending. An Indiana startup company, AlGalCo LLC., has received a license for the exclusive right to commercialize the process."

Besides - he wears an eye-patch. How can you not love a pirate engineer?

[Vance]

Besides - he wears an eye-patch. How can you not love a pirate engineer?

Ummm...
Be an Engineer with the East India Trading Company? :lol:

[VFR]

Bah - the electrolysis route will never be practical. Too much of a pain in the ass to split the hydrogen out. However, I believe this one has some legs (since the gallium is reusable)...

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2007a/070515WoodallHydrogen.html

"The Purdue Research Foundation holds title to the primary patent, which has been filed with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and is pending. An Indiana startup company, AlGalCo LLC., has received a license for the exclusive right to commercialize the process."

Besides - he wears an eye-patch. How can you not love a pirate engineer?


LOL...Makes you wonder just what blew up in his face that took out an eye

[dirkterrell]

Water can be used to fuel a car when used as a supplement to gasoline. In fact, very little water is needed! only one quart of waterprovides over 1800 gallons of HHO gas which can literally last for months and significantly increase your vehicle's fuel efficiently, improve emissions quality, and save you money.



This is misleading because it pretends that the energy to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen is negligible. It isn't by a long shot. If you ignore that, hell yeah your fuel efficiency is going to improve because you're ignoring the energy you have to get from somewhere else. If I put solid fuel motors on the back of my truck and only look at the cost of the gasoline I'd burn, I'd think I was getting some awesome fuel efficiency. :)

It's bullshit. If it wasn't, you'd see these things all over the place. And the only response the con artists have to that is to appeal to some grand conspiracy going on, which unfortunately many people are all too willing to swallow. But, hey, if people want to waste their money, that's their prerogative. Like I said, it's funny how this crap comes up every time gas prices get high and every time people waste their money.

You know, now that I think about it, I could get rich off of this. "PhD physicist creates a device to RUN YOUR CAR ON WATER! Get yours for only $999! www.letyourignorancebuydirkanrc45.com" http://www.boulder.swri.edu/%7Eterrell/images/goofy.gif

Dirk

[Sortarican]

.... you have to add more energy than you'll get back by subsequently burning hydrogen.....

... It will ALWAYS take more energy to split the hydrogen out than the hydrogen can produce, it's energy negative....

Wooo Hooo!!!!!
Got two of the CSC's best Rocket Surgeons back'in me up bitches!
(Now I know the pride that blind squirrels feel when they find an acorn.)


And it always will. It's basic physics and all the fancy machines with magnets aren't going to change that.

One way that might work but they've yet to come close to reproducing it successfully: Photosynthesis.
Plants use solar energy to split atomic bonds of CO2. Converting carbon and releasing oxygen.
Develop an algae that can split the hydrogen out of h2o and you'll have built a better mouse trap.

Of course then the algae will escape the lab and grow unchecked in the environment destroying all water and filling the atmosphere
with hydrogen that will then ignite exterminating all of mankind.

But hey, can't make an omlete without breaking a few heads right?

[VFR]

You make head omelletes?

[Sortarican]

But hey, can't make an omlete without breaking a few heads right?

You make head omelletes?

Gandma's quote.
(You didn't want to be in the kitchen when Grandma was cooking.)

[TFOGGuys]

Wooo Hooo!!!!!
Got two of the CSC's best Rocket Surgeons back'in me up bitches!
(Now I know the pride that blind squirrels feel when they find an acorn.)



One way that might work but they've yet to come close to reproducing it successfully: Photosynthesis.
Plants use solar energy to split atomic bonds of CO2. Converting carbon and releasing oxygen.
Develop an algae that can split the hydrogen out of h2o and you'll have built a better mouse trap.

Of course then the algae will escape the lab and grow unchecked in the environment destroying all water and filling the atmosphere
with hydrogen that will then ignite exterminating all of mankind.

But hey, can't make an omlete without breaking a few heads right?


Funny how I envisioned the same apocalyptic containment failure, even before finishing reading your post....But hey, on the plus side, global warming would no longer be a concern for us.... :nuke:

[VFR]

Ahhhhh the secret ingredient.....Makes sense now

[dirkterrell]

Of course then the algae will escape the lab and grow unchecked in the environment destroying all water and filling the atmosphere
with hydrogen that will then ignite exterminating all of mankind.


Or just move to Jupiter (or Saturn or the Sun) and you'll have all the hydrogen you could want. Of course the Jovians will be going on about their nifty oxygen-producing devices. http://www.boulder.swri.edu/%7Eterrell/images/goofy.gif

Dirk

[Sortarican]

Or just move to Jupiter (or Saturn or the Sun) and you'll have all the hydrogen you could want...

I lived on the Sun for a while, you'd it.
Don't let them sell you that "but it's a dry heat" business either.:fire: