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Stitches
Fri May 9th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Ok started riding to work almost daily, and in anticipation of contact with local law enforement I was wondering what proper manners, to use when dealing with the police. What should I have on me? What works, and what dosen't? If there are plice officers reading this, what are your pet-peeves when pulling over a bike?

fullgrownbear
Fri May 9th, 2008, 07:31 PM
Just don't pull a gun on me, or a cell phone. Both the same. And keep yo space foo!

dgoldan
Fri May 9th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Well when CSP pulled us over last year on Peak to Peak, here's how the conversation went:

CSP - Is there some reason you were going so fast? (probably about 50 around a corner in a 30 zone)

Me - just poor judgement sir.

CSP - I'll agree with that.

After three of us received written warnings:

CSP - thanks for at least wearing helmets and protective gear. Slow down now.

Me - Yes sir, thank you.

Be polite, don't make up BS excuses for speeding, don't admit to anything they don't mention, have all of your paperwork where you can find it quickly, and remove your helmet so they can see your face and make eye contact.

PhL0aTeR
Fri May 9th, 2008, 09:39 PM
bring vaseline, but save enough for your court date

thatmofo
Sat May 10th, 2008, 10:07 PM
Just be respectful and you may luck out with a cool cop. It worked for me doing 90+ in 45. That car that seemed to be "trying to hang with me" turned his lights on during the second pull I made.

Sully
Sat May 10th, 2008, 11:41 PM
It worked for me doing 90+ in 45.

I predict your bike will be toast before summer is over... :shocked:

DeeStylez
Sun May 11th, 2008, 07:45 AM
:imwithstupid:

thatmofo
Sun May 11th, 2008, 09:11 AM
I predict your bike will be toast before summer is over... :shocked:

Oh so what are you, the role model MSF rider? You've never been pulled over on your bike for speeding?

Sully
Sun May 11th, 2008, 09:20 AM
Rode model for the MSF? No, never claiming to be. And actually, No, I've never been pulled over for speeding..

RC51BUZZ
Sun May 11th, 2008, 11:04 AM
Be respectful and admit to wrong doing, at least to an extent. 9 times out of 10 that works. Wear your gear as that will have a lot to do w/ their attitiude towards you (i.e. having a "safe" fun ride or being an idiot), and don't wear an ipod. Jsut a few tips from some guys w/ the other kind of badge.

thatmofo
Sun May 11th, 2008, 11:13 AM
I would never suggest that you admit that you were wrong. You're in America for Christ's sake! That's what court will determine. Say something like, "I know you wouldn't have pulled me over without a good reason."

MetaLord 9
Sun May 11th, 2008, 11:22 AM
I predict your bike will be toast before summer is over... :shocked:

go go gadget parts bike!

guessinthe2000
Sun May 11th, 2008, 11:47 AM
ditch that biatch.... They can only get you when they got helicopters after you... LOLL

RC51BUZZ
Sun May 11th, 2008, 01:40 PM
Sometimes being a wee bit different and admiting you were wrong will show the LEO that you are at least responsible enough and mature enough to let you off. As far as running from the LEO...... I know my job is very secure w/ that kind of thinking, we carry shovels on the engines for that reason.

:banghead:

Dodd
Mon May 12th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Honesty, attitude help alot. Make sure you have your paperwork (Reg, Ins, license) up to date and ready. HAVE A MOTORCYCLE ENDORSEMENT on your license. Stop immediatly. Coppers get irritated when they have to haul ass to catch someone, that puts them and other folks in danger. Wear proper gear. If you really don't think your in the wrong, don't argue or run your mouth, take it to court. I can tell you that with some agencies there are mandates for tickets, some not. So there is no one trick or word play that will work with all LEO's.

If your being dumb, your being dumb. However, if you are just riding "Offensively" in the interest of not becoming soccer mom (No offense to moms, I use that as an anology) SUV driving fodder, and you can articulate that, you may have more ground to stand on. But most LEO's I know don't ride, and don't understand what it is to keep alive in todays world of people paying absolutly no attention to what they are doing while piloting a 4000 lb. missle down the road. I do, and I take that into consideration, within reason. A short burst of speed with a quick lane change to get out of a wolfpack of cars is one thing, doing 130 to pass 10 cars on a stretch of highway is another.

Riding on the street, if your breaking the law, your breaking the law. Just take it easy, enjoy your bike and this wonderfull state we have to ride in. And if you really want to wring its neck, come on down and do it with us at PMP.

But like stated above, if your caught, your caught. Just stop as soon as its safe, be curtious and for godsakes, wear all your gear all the time. Tickets suck, but being dead or seriously Effed' up sucks worse.

ghostrider_9
Mon May 12th, 2008, 04:00 PM
They are people just like we are. They are doing their job. Treat them with the same amount of respect that you would want to receive. If you are guilty of something, don't get all butt hurt and have an attitude when you get busted for it. If you don't want to get busted, stay within the limits of the law. If not, you have no one to blame but yourself.

RC51BUZZ
Mon May 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM
+1 :imwithstupid:

Mac020
Mon May 12th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Yes Sir! No Sir! "I was prolly wrong and ya gotta do ur job." U DA MAN SIR! I promise not to do it again!(at least for a little while)!

Sometimes ya win. Sometime ya lose!

It also helps to pick your spot!

madvlad
Mon May 12th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Simple as be respectful, honest and take it like a man for messing up lol...... and please don't run from the cops, even if you think you have a bike that can outrun flash. Running from the law is just plain lack of brain cells.

Sully
Mon May 12th, 2008, 09:29 PM
Show boobies ?? :boobies: :dunno:

RyNo24
Mon May 12th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Show boobies ?? :boobies: :dunno:

Do man boobs work?

Actually my girl got off from a ticket with those...she was wearing her low v-neck PJ top when she got pulled over once, and he let her go.

Wickid@$$Clown
Tue May 13th, 2008, 11:57 AM
LOL... In Chicago a few years back, I told an officer that a Grey ford escort full of kids waved a gun at me, so I took off trying to leave them behind. and then I told him as I was pulling over, they went by... He left me and went to chase this "grey ford escort".... lolololol...

RyNo24
Tue May 13th, 2008, 12:07 PM
LOL... In Chicago a few years back, I told an officer that a Grey ford escort full of kids waved a gun at me, so I took off trying to leave them behind. and then I told him as I was pulling over, they went by... He left me and went to chase this "grey ford escort".... lolololol...

Lol, I don't think that will work here in the the burbs. I can see it working in Chi-Town.

ghostrider_9
Tue May 13th, 2008, 12:08 PM
Show boobies ?? :boobies: :dunno:

If I did that the cop would likely shoot me.

Mr_RC
Tue May 13th, 2008, 02:17 PM
I got pulled over yesterday for speeding. The officer asked to see my license and proceeded to tell me to "slow it down." I was dumbfounded. I thought all cops were arrogant, righteous, assholes. This guy was just like you and me. Who knew?

salsashark
Tue May 13th, 2008, 02:27 PM
everything you need to know about dealing with the police...

Part One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQriSWN6JQc)

Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8)

Sully
Tue May 13th, 2008, 02:53 PM
Lol, I don't think that will work here in the the burbs. I can see it working in Chi-Town.

:shocked: Seriously here dude.. the preppy white kids that live in the burbs are the ones you have to F'N worry about ! Little Fookers !

sandboxshooter
Tue May 13th, 2008, 10:40 PM
EVERY cop does an attitude check once you're pulled over.....have the correct respectful attitude, and lots of times, a break will be considered.....

Stuart Little
Wed May 14th, 2008, 05:22 AM
I got pulled over yesterday for speeding. The officer asked to see my license and proceeded to tell me to "slow it down." I was dumbfounded. I thought all cops were arrogant, righteous, assholes. This guy was just like you and me. Who knew?

OOh OOH Pick me, I did :)

In all honesty most cops are cool people, I may be one some day (Right now lookin at federal but I do like CO so I may stay) and I don't plan on being a dick, but being that job that it is I'm not suprised to see LEO's hardened by the job and the redundancy of seeing someone drive a 2 ton SUV while drinking coffee, adjusting the radio while talking on their cell phone and swerving in the lane and nearly hitting a moto then asking why they are getting pulled over!

JimmySprinkle
Thu May 15th, 2008, 09:03 PM
You never know what kind of cop you're going to get when you get pulled over. The same polite routine affects officers differently.

Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes not. I haven't been on the best of luck with Douglas County lately:(.

MRA 32
Thu May 15th, 2008, 10:19 PM
I have been pulled over several times by cops. Most of these times a person with a cell phone called in a crotch rocket cutting people off in traffic or riding wheelies. My bike is red and I have a black jacket. (I just described about 50% of all motorcycles on the road). I do play but only on back country roads with NO traffic and not in town or on the highways, so I had a big attitude with the officers that pulled me over and of course these incidents the officer didn't witness and once I got my point across I went about my business. Most officers want to ask twenty questions and I stop them rightaway and ask them twenty questions right back. I do not like macho cops! DO NOT admit to anything, because officers usually don't write down your statements right and these can be used against you. It is always best to not say a word, just hand them your paperwork.

Remember cops deal with people all day long and they are trained to ask the right questions and to get as much incriminating evidence as possible. Be smart, this is america and you are innocent until proven guilty.In my examples above: cops do make mistakes by pulling the wrong person over.

Oldgreen
Mon May 19th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Okay, this has been eating at me for a long time. I am older, I am a retired Fed, I am a disabled veteran from the '70's. I say all that so you know I am average looking older guy who doesn't have a 'tude. I was taught to respect and trust police.
Have you seen the video of the Iraq vet in CA getting shot while on his ass and begging for his life because he was a PASSENGER in a speeding car....six or more cops kicking and hitting a SUSPECT in PA....5 people in Greeley involved in a MURDER, the only one that wasn't a cop or working for the PD was the victim! I have been pulled over for 10 mph over the speed limit while passing and both times the cop screamed at me before I even said anything, I didn't run, pulled over at once, had ALL my paperwork. I rarely speed, even on the Ninja. The so-called investigation these LEO's did was horrible and they treated me with contempt and poor manners. Once my wife and kids were in the car and the CSP made rude comments about THEM. My kids were 10 and 8 at the time. How do I explain that? Now, whenever I see a cop I either pull over and wait for them to clear the area or slow WAY down, just in case. I am contemplating if I ever get pulled over again, I will call 911 for backup before I get shot or beaten! FWIW, all the Larimer Sherif Deputies I have met were awesome and professional. The CSP is horrible, condesending, not willing to listen, arguementative and rude, they scare me!

JimmySprinkle
Mon May 19th, 2008, 10:23 PM
I'm sorry to hear that... sounds like those cops were the the wimpy kids in school who became officers of the law for the power of authority. Try bringing a tape recorder with you. It might make for some intersting evidence when you contest in court :lol:.

thatmofo
Mon May 19th, 2008, 10:56 PM
everything you need to know about dealing with the police...

Part One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQriSWN6JQc)

Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8)

Amen brotha! That's everything you need to know!

Bebop
Sat Jun 14th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Recently I was pulled over twice by the police both times by the CSP. The first was up near Aspen, the cop had thought that we had run a red light because the light on his side had turned. He was nice to us and asked us if we had in fact run a red light, of course we said no because we didn't he believed us and gave us a written warning, which I still think is crap but hey its better than a ticket, we even BSed with him for a little while. The second time I was coming home from work getting onto I-76 from Wads and the cop pulled me over for speeding but he couldn't clock me so he didn’t give me a ticket. I was wearing my leather but no helmet (long rides I wear helmets, to work and back I normally don't setting in traffic gets to hot with a full face helmet on). He was nice just saying to slow down, that he wants me to get to my destination safely.

I would say from my experience that if you pull over right away, turn off your bike keeping your hands on the handle bars or tank, be courteous and answer questions truthfully then most of the time the cops seem to be nice back. This can very of course.

SamuraiX
Tue Jun 24th, 2008, 11:27 PM
Last time I was pulled over, the cop spent the whole time telling me how he wanted to get himself a bike, and he just kept checking it out, glad it was clean!

By the time it was all said and done, I was telling HIM to make sure and take a safety course! Real Jedi mind control shit...

HE GOT WEEED!

Devaclis
Wed Jun 25th, 2008, 07:27 AM
Cops are people doing a job. They pull you over when you do something illegal. Don't get caught doing anything illegal. If you do, man up and except it. Don't be a little bitch and try to convince them they do not know the laws.

/thread

SamuraiX
Wed Jun 25th, 2008, 09:28 AM
Cops are people doing a job. They pull you over when you do something illegal. Don't get caught doing anything illegal. If you do, man up and except it. Don't be a little bitch and try to convince them they do not know the laws.

/thread


They are people just like we are. They are doing their job. Treat them with the same amount of respect that you would want to receive. If you are guilty of something, don't get all butt hurt and have an attitude when you get busted for it. If you don't want to get busted, stay within the limits of the law. If not, you have no one to blame but yourself.

We heard that already...

Devaclis
Wed Jun 25th, 2008, 11:47 AM
Yeah, no shit. We also have this same exact thread 5 times a summer.

Repeat
Repeat
Repeat
Repeat

SamuraiX
Wed Jun 25th, 2008, 01:17 PM
Yet you read AND posted in them all im sure. Telling everyone to politely bend over for Johnny law when he shows up with his badge...

Not all of us are turned on by a man in uniform. :slappers:

Sortarican
Wed Jun 25th, 2008, 02:58 PM
In honor of George Carlin:
"If you ever get pulled over by the police, be sure to tell them 'I pay your salary'. They like that, it gives them a chance to thank you."

"Any time is Miller time? Oh yeah, how about traffic court?"
[Judge] "You where ticketed for weaving in traffic Mr. Carlin. How do you plead?"
[Carlin] {cracking open a can of beer} "Weaving?! Shit your Honor....I can't even knit."

Oyama
Sat Jun 28th, 2008, 01:33 PM
Some cops you can be as polite as possible and theyll still stick you with a ticket...

Stuart Little
Sat Jun 28th, 2008, 02:49 PM
Yeah, that'll happen when ya break the law

Oldgreen
Sat Jun 28th, 2008, 03:14 PM
There is NO reason to yell at people. They is NO reason to make comments about 8 and 10 year old girls. There is NO reason to threaten a citizen or try to intimidate one. There is very little reason to shoot people in a defensive postition or gang up and whip ass on people........all the above assumes a standard traffic stop of a person cooperating and having their paperwork....yes they have a job to do, so they better do it right.....in my job if I was wrong people (lots of them potentially) died, just like doctors, nurses, firemen, pilots and many more. There is many times NO excuse, and after many years of respect for LE, it is slowly slipping away courtesy of the bad apples. Zero tolerance doesn't work!

sag
Tue Sep 30th, 2008, 02:14 AM
take your helmet and gloves off? i got pulled over in a group and a few of the riders left their helmets on the whole time and it seemed disrespectful to me.

ihavealegohead
Tue Sep 30th, 2008, 08:16 AM
Honesty, attitude help alot. Make sure you have your paperwork (Reg, Ins, license) up to date and ready. HAVE A MOTORCYCLE ENDORSEMENT on your license. Stop immediatly. Coppers get irritated when they have to haul ass to catch someone, that puts them and other folks in danger. Wear proper gear. If you really don't think your in the wrong, don't argue or run your mouth, take it to court. I can tell you that with some agencies there are mandates for tickets, some not. So there is no one trick or word play that will work with all LEO's.

If your being dumb, your being dumb. However, if you are just riding "Offensively" in the interest of not becoming soccer mom (No offense to moms, I use that as an anology) SUV driving fodder, and you can articulate that, you may have more ground to stand on. But most LEO's I know don't ride, and don't understand what it is to keep alive in todays world of people paying absolutly no attention to what they are doing while piloting a 4000 lb. missle down the road. I do, and I take that into consideration, within reason. A short burst of speed with a quick lane change to get out of a wolfpack of cars is one thing, doing 130 to pass 10 cars on a stretch of highway is another.

Riding on the street, if your breaking the law, your breaking the law. Just take it easy, enjoy your bike and this wonderfull state we have to ride in. And if you really want to wring its neck, come on down and do it with us at PMP.

But like stated above, if your caught, your caught. Just stop as soon as its safe, be curtious and for godsakes, wear all your gear all the time. Tickets suck, but being dead or seriously Effed' up sucks worse.

Good post newbie -- hey can I stay at your place in the winter?

MetaLord 9
Tue Sep 30th, 2008, 08:38 AM
take your helmet and gloves off? i got pulled over in a group and a few of the riders left their helmets on the whole time and it seemed disrespectful to me.
I got pulled over. I turned the bike off took my gloves off & put my hands on the tank. When he walked up to me & started asking me questions I asked him if it would be alright if I took my helmet off. He said "oh sure!"

If you take it off I've heard there's the threat it can be used as a weapon. Just ask and they'll let you know what they'd prefer as I'm sure most cops are different.

Just be respectful and remember that if you're wrong, you're wrong. If you've got a good reason, then you might be able to state your case, but you were still wrong at some point.

DFab
Tue Sep 30th, 2008, 10:00 AM
3 most important things:
1)Keep your hands visible
2)Never admit to anything
3)Stay calm, be respectful

Spiderman
Wed Oct 1st, 2008, 07:56 AM
long rides I wear helmets, to work and back I normally don't setting in traffic gets to hot with a full face helmet on
I hope you don't crash... sweat wipes off, road-rash/brain-damage doesn't.

Dogsbody
Wed Oct 1st, 2008, 09:23 AM
I don't buy the "never admit to anything" train of thought. I mean, you won't admit to anything you haven't done, correct? I've been pulled over 9 times in 8 years and only got one ticket and that was for a 55 in a 45 and Morrison PD brought it down to defective equipment and a $45 fine. Back to admitting what you've done, one late night I was headed back to Kittredge passing through Evergreen and I was speeding trying to get home when these headlights appeared out of nowhere, I looked down at my speedometer and saw 63mph and the speed limit was 40mph. Sheeyat... Officer asked me how fast I was going and did I know what the speed limit was I told him and he took my papers back to the cruiser, after a bit he walked back and I saw that he had his business card out. Yes! A warning! He gave me back my stuff and said "I appreceiate the fact that you didn't try to BS me, slow down okay?" The mand had me for reckless driving and he let me go. Once I was hauling the mail up Pikes Peak in my Subaru Impreza RS (full roll cage, etc) with a video camera going and got pulled over, again I was polite and admittted to what speed I was doing but I did tell the officer that I didn't see nay speed limit signs and he told me the "implied" limit was 35mph even with no signs in the mountains. He let me off with a warning and told me to keep it down to a dull roar (got it all on video). I used to joke that I'm not even going to bother to pull over becuase I know they'll let me go...

My rule of thumb is 5 over up to 50 mph then 10 over above that. If pulled over I do it as quickly as possible but I'll also wait a bit to find a safe spot to do so. I'm unfailingly polite and I answer, yes sir, no sir, no matter what. It's no guaranty that you'll get let off but it doesn't hurt to be polite.

FZRguy
Wed Oct 1st, 2008, 07:42 PM
Agreed, if you’re cool with cops, they are usually cool with you. I’ve been stopped a number of times by various departments with just a verbal or written warning.

Spiderman
Thu Oct 2nd, 2008, 08:41 AM
... and don't wear an ipod.
Are you saying 'don't wear an ipod when you ride', or '(if you do) take the earbuds out & turn it off'?

SLVRSURFR
Thu Oct 2nd, 2008, 11:36 PM
They are people just like we are. They are doing their job. Treat them with the same amount of respect that you would want to receive. If you are guilty of something, don't get all butt hurt and have an attitude when you get busted for it. If you don't want to get busted, stay within the limits of the law. If not, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I agree with this statement...Respect is the key, But.. Even If you're cool, they may just site you for The offense anyway. (Take it like a big boy or girl) Just good ole fashioned, random dumb luck alone will get you out of a ticket..

CaneZach
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 12:44 PM
Greetings all. This being my first post and all, I guess I should introduce myself.

I am a cop, but I still love to ride. I've ridden street bikes for the last 19 years and even though I know my supervisors would disagree, I do enjoy riding a little faster than the speed limit at times. I don't stunt and I wear my gear ALL THE TIME. It may not be full leathers, but I won't be confused with some squid that wears shorts, flip flops, and his hat turned backwards. I'm also not going to cut in and out of traffic like some idiot either.

Here's my take on cops. Since I am one and work with them, it gives me a wonderful insight that most don't have. Let's face it, nobody likes getting pulled over. I've only been stopped once on my bike and it wasn't for speeding. Since I became a cop 10 years ago, I've been stopped for speeding in my car two or three times. Since I'm always armed, I tell him who I am and that I have a weapon in the vehicle/on my hip/whatever. Yes, there's some professional courtesy, but we'll just call it a perk of the job. If you work at Starbucks, you can drink free coffee, so don't complain.

As it has been pointed out, cops are just like anybody else. If you look around your office, you'll see people that are complete a$$holes/biches, a few idiots, some that don't talk very much, some that make you wonder if they're going to bring a rifle to work the next day, some that have no other function but to suck up to the boss, some people that you really enjoy hanging out with, etc. Well, it's the same here.

There are two guys I work with that are complete a$$hats. It's just their personalities. I can't stand them, so I stay away from them. Every contact they have with the community results in them telling the dispatcher, and every other cop on shift, about how beligerent or argumentative the violator was. It's funny to me because in ten years, I can count on two hands the number of people who have been argumentative or di(kheads during a traffic stop (not counting the drunks, tweakers, criminals, etc. that fight to avoid going to jail), but these guys have that many in one shift. Something tells me it's not the violator, but the way the officer conducts himself. If you get stopped by these guys, you can be as polite or courteous as possible and they'll still hem you up.

On the other hand, you have guys like me who don't care much for writing a million tickets. When I was working the road, I was more interested in finding drunks, drugs and real criminals than I was with writing a guy a ticket for doing 10 over. Naturally, I wrote tickets, but 90% of the time, the reason for the stop was so I could make contact with someone and look for other things (I can't find 'em if I'm not stopping someone). When I worked nights, I'd write a few tickets for the first few hours, then spend the rest of my night looking for people who should spend their time in jail instead of on the streets.

First and foremost, don't do the crime if you're not willing to accept the consequences. You want to do 130 MPH and cut in and out of traffic, don't be surprised if the officer gets a little heated as he tries to catch up to you. You can go to jail for Reckless Driving and if you're driving/riding like an a$$, chances are you will. When the lights go on behind you, find a safe place to stop. Don't slam on your brakes as soon as you see us. If you don't notice we've lit you up until after you've passed a safe place, don't just stop in the middle of the road. While you're thinking, "Well, he just wants me to stop, so I'll stop RIGHT HERE!", we're thinking, "WTF is wrong with this idiot??? Why does he stop in the middle of the friggin' road when there's a side street/wide shoulder/parking lot/etc. a hundred feet ahead of us?"

Keep your hands on the steering wheel or grips. If you're on your bike, kill the engine and set the stand down. The faster we see your hands, the sooner we know you don't have a weapon in them. DO NOT go reaching into your glovebox!!! Remember, we're walking up from behind, sometimes at night, so we have no clue what you're reaching for. Sure, 99% of people will just be getting their registration and insurance, but 1% are trying to hide something or reaching for a weapon. We consider everybody to be in the 1% until we see otherwise.

Once the actual contact begins, if the cop happens to be a di(k, don't respond in kind. Arguing or giving us an attitude is only going to get you in more trouble than it's worth. Sure, you feel good because you spoke your mind, but you're walking away with a summons or additional charges because you decided to be an a$$hole. I'll admit, most of the time, I've made up my mind on whether I'm writing a ticket or not before I've even turned my lights on. I do this so that way your attitude doesn't influence my decision, but the truth is, it does sometimes. I've made up my mind to give you a verbal warning, but then you start acting like a jacka$$, well guess what happens? At the same time, there have been a few times that I had every intention of writing someone up, but their attitude got them out of it.

Let the officer dictate the stop. As I said before, don't just go reaching into your glovebox before we've even talked to you. Be polite and respectful. Don't talk to us like we're one of your homies on the street corner. If the officer has an attitude, don't return it, just let it run off you like water off a duck's a$$. Don't come up with some convoluted excuse because we'll know you're full of crap. You're far better off saying something like, "Officer, I apologize. I knew I was going too fast/didn't realize I was going that fast/wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been/etc." DO NOT question the officer's integrity or blame some other driver (I've had a driver tell me the person they just PASSED was actually going faster than the violator. Yes, it defies the laws of physics, but that shouldn't matter, right?). If you disagree, do so respectfully, but understand that any statements you make can and probably will go in our notes.

Also, if you're clocked by radar vs. laser makes a difference. If I'm running laser, I have a target reticle that I'm aiming directly at your car, which means I'm not clocking the semi next to you, the car behind you, the car going the other way, or whatever. It's your vehicle I'm aiming at and the laser widens at a rate of something like 3' at one mile or something minute like that, so it's not like I'm . Radar is a bit different in that the beam expands at a greater rate, so it becomes more of a judgment call. Sure, there are times where the violator makes it so obvious that you know beyond the shadow of a doubt who it is. For instance, a vehicle in the right lane is doing 55-60, while the guy passing is doing 82. Our visual estimate of the guy passing will put him in the 80-85 range, which matches the radar's reading of 82 MPH, so we obviously aren't going to confuse the vehicle at 82 with the person in the right lane at 60. When it gets a little trickier is when there is a group of cars and the guy going faster is only going a few MPH faster than everyone else. Sure, he'll still be passing, but someone passing at 67 MPH when everyone else is doing 63 doesn't provide the same reference as someone passing at 10 MPH faster than the vehicle they're passing. Also, despite what your cousin's sister's boyfriend's friend's uncle who was a tow truck driver and knew a cop told you, the State of Colorado does NOT require us to show you the radar or laser. I've shown people the laser before because it's a handheld device that allows me to take it up to the violator's vehicle, but the radar can be mounted to my vehicle (and, yes, it can clock you as you're coming towards me and going away from me in the opposite direction or coming up behind me or pulling away from me in the same direction) and I don't want people out of their vehicle unless I have a reason.

I know it's long and I do apologize for that. If y'all have any other questions, feel free to ask or PM. Keep the shiny side up all!

Edit: I didn't realize this topic was a zombie before I started typing (being brought back from the dead LOL)

t_jolt
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 12:56 PM
the State of Colorado does NOT require us to show you the radar or laser. I've shown people the laser before because it's a handheld device that allows me to take it up to the violator's vehicle, but the radar can be mounted to my vehicle (and, yes, it can clock you as you're coming towards me and going away from me in the opposite direction or coming up behind me or pulling away from me in the same direction) and I don't want people out of their vehicle unless I have a reason.


I do want to point out one thing, As you do not have to show the gun you do have to show the printed out stub that comes out of it. Yes when you ask to see the gun, the cop can say no. If i ask to see the stub, and he still says no. then well thats a lot more fun to handle... :)

btw thanks for all you do.

Tyrel

Toner
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 01:00 PM
CaneZach- good post and thanks for the insight! Welcome!

salsashark
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 01:02 PM
Once the actual contact begins, if the cop happens to be a di(k, don't respond in kind. Arguing or giving us an attitude is only going to get you in more trouble than it's worth. Sure, you feel good because you spoke your mind, but you're walking away with a summons or additional charges because you decided to be an a$$hole. I'll admit, most of the time, I've made up my mind on whether I'm writing a ticket or not before I've even turned my lights on. I do this so that way your attitude doesn't influence my decision, but the truth is, it does sometimes. I've made up my mind to give you a verbal warning, but then you start acting like a jacka$$, well guess what happens? At the same time, there have been a few times that I had every intention of writing someone up, but their attitude got them out of it.

Yup... all about attitude... :boobies: nice sized, perky, beautiful attitude! :lol:



Welcome to the club... stay safe out there.

Ceez
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 01:30 PM
Welcome CaneZach. Definitely some great info given by you, much appreciated! Always good to hear the right way to do it from the other side of the fence.

(You wouldnt happen to be on gixxer.com also?)

CaneZach
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 01:39 PM
I do want to point out one thing, As you do not have to show the gun you do have to show the printed out stub that comes out of it. Yes when you ask to see the gun, the cop can say no. If i ask to see the stub, and he still says no. then well thats a lot more fun to handle... :)

btw thanks for all you do.

Tyrel


Actually, there is no "stub" that comes out of either my radar or laser. By stub, I'm assuming you're refering to a computer printout? I've never seen a radar that operates like that and I've used Stalkers, Eagles, and a different brand, though I don't remember the name (might have been Kustom Signals, though I think they made the Eagle). The lasers I've used have been Laser Atlanta, LTI, and ProLaser by Kustom Signals. None of the radars nor the lasers have ever printed out a stub.

CaneZach
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Welcome CaneZach. Definitely some great info given by you, much appreciated! Always good to hear the right way to do it from the other side of the fence.

(You wouldnt happen to be on gixxer.com also?)

Craven, you know this!!! Actually, I think I followed your link to this board :)

Ceez
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 01:43 PM
Craven, you know this!!! Actually, I think I followed your link to this board :)

LOL...well welcome to the madness my friend!!

salsashark
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Actually, there is no "stub" that comes out of either my radar or laser. By stub, I'm assuming you're refering to a computer printout? I've never seen a radar that operates like that and I've used Stalkers, Eagles, and a different brand, though I don't remember the name (might have been Kustom Signals, though I think they made the Eagle). The lasers I've used have been Laser Atlanta, LTI, and ProLaser by Kustom Signals. None of the radars nor the lasers have ever printed out a stub.

Here you go, get some of these and keep them in your cruiser for the stub demanders...

kalibra
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 02:04 PM
Thank you for sharing and thank you for what you do.Attitude is key,I admit,there's been a few times when I got pulled over and could/should have been ticketed but I was not.So, since I have no tits it must have been the attitude.

SaShWhO
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 02:57 PM
welcome to the forum mr. police officer sir.

Nick_Ninja
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 04:09 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/Nick_Ninja/PNW.jpg

Devaclis
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 04:15 PM
Holy shit, is that Gainer?

http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10664&stc=1&d=1231192550

SaShWhO
Mon Jan 5th, 2009, 04:23 PM
actually that's JJ(FOOLDS) before he went on the Jared Diet

DeVeck
Fri Jan 9th, 2009, 06:44 PM
I was flying down 115 towards the springs, right before my ship out date in the USMC...I saw the cop as I was flying by. I must have been doing at least 95. Once I saw the guys cruiser I just pulled over and waited for him...no way he could have missed me...

He let me go with a warning...I didn't even have my current license with the bike endorsement...He told me it was damn nice of me to stop and he didn't want to have to impound such a nice bike so I had better slow it down...I did 5 under the rest of the way...Talk about luck...

Just like the officer said, it's all about respect...

lightspeed
Sat Jan 24th, 2009, 11:46 AM
ditch that biatch.... They can only get you when they got helicopters after you... LOLL

LOLLL, nice...:headbang:

Let's be honest....I think we all speed...even cops speed in their POV's. For cryin out loud...these bikes are not designed to go 50mph. It's a waste if your limit is 55 on a bike >600cc's.. Get a scooter for $1500 and you'll never get a speeding ticket...and if you do...just show the officer your speedometer limit of 70..lol. Otherwise...speed when you can get away with it.

Speeding doesn't kill people and never did... my .07 .

lightspeed
Sat Jan 24th, 2009, 12:16 PM
Greetings all. This being my first post and all, I guess I should introduce myself.


Once the actual contact begins, if the cop happens to be a di(k, don't respond in kind. Arguing or giving us an attitude is only going to get you in more trouble than it's worth. Sure, you feel good because you spoke your mind, but you're walking away with a summons or additional charges because you decided to be an a$$hole.

Let the officer dictate the stop. As I said before, don't just go reaching into your glovebox before we've even talked to you. Be polite and respectful. Don't talk to us like we're one of your homies on the street corner. If the officer has an attitude, don't return it, just let it run off you like water off a duck's a$$. Don't come up with some convoluted excuse because we'll know you're full of crap. You're far better off saying something like, "Officer, I apologize. I knew I was going too fast/didn't realize I was going that fast/wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been/etc." DO NOT question the officer's integrity or blame some other driver (I've had a driver tell me the person they just PASSED was actually going faster than the violator. Yes, it defies the laws of physics, but that shouldn't matter, right?). If you disagree, do so respectfully, but understand that any statements you make can and probably will go in our notes.



Edit: I didn't realize this topic was a zombie before I started typing (being brought back from the dead LOL)

Great post, but one thing I'd like to add being an x LEO myself is that many people (including LEO's) have seemed to forget on thing. Police officers work FOR the public..PERIOD! Not the other way around. The public joe is the one that should recieve the respect first and foremost...not the other way around. We have lost sight of this in our country.

To serve and protect:).

With that being said, if you (joe public) are not in the wrong..stand your ground. As there is no reason to be fearful of a LEO if you have not done anything wrong. And if for some reason he/she gets and attitude with you for something... take it with a smile and as soon as it's over..write everything down that occured and burn his/her behind in court. The reason I say this..is because the LEO's that have attitudes and ego's need to go. They get partners and innocent people killed.

I have been in a few tight situations while on duty and have to say that loosing the ego and remembering that we were there to serve joe public first... always made just about any individual or situation much easier to deal with.

.07 cents

TFOGGuys
Sat Jan 24th, 2009, 12:30 PM
Greetings all. This being my first post and all, I guess I should introduce myself.

I am a cop, but I still love to ride.

Welcome to the board.

Off subject, but of interest to many of us on the board, is your take on how one should act when stopped if one has a CCW permit, and is carrying. Colorado doesn't require you to be notified like Utah does, but it's basic courtesy. How would you prefer us to proceed?

Cat118!
Sat Jan 24th, 2009, 04:00 PM
JUst be friendly and they give a helping hand... just ask
I can't reach my license can you hold my beer?

Cat118!
Sat Jan 24th, 2009, 04:09 PM
Greetings all. This being my first post and all, I guess I should introduce myself.

I am a cop,

welcome!! There are a few cops on here and aspiring ones... My bro is broomfield...

anyways... more fun

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o110/Cat118/2296263300_45ba9e65e0.jpg

T-Dub
Sat Jan 24th, 2009, 08:52 PM
I can tell you ladies one sure way of GETTING a ticket. Start crying. That was the quickest way for me to start writing a citation when I was on the road. Pulling out the whiny card used to piss me off more than whatever it was I pulled the lady over for. Just like has been stated above, be honest, be polite, and don't try to get out of it.

jetspeedz
Sun Jan 25th, 2009, 01:11 AM
treat them how you want to be treated as humans with respect

CaneZach
Mon Jan 26th, 2009, 08:21 AM
Welcome to the board.

Off subject, but of interest to many of us on the board, is your take on how one should act when stopped if one has a CCW permit, and is carrying. Colorado doesn't require you to be notified like Utah does, but it's basic courtesy. How would you prefer us to proceed?

I've always said being open and honest about CCW is the way to go. I've stopped thousands of people in my ten years on the job and in that time I don't think I've ever worried about someone who told me about their CCW or that they have a weapon in the vehicle. It's the guys that try to hide it or don't want me to know they have a gun in the car that always concern me.

Sully
Mon Jan 26th, 2009, 08:40 AM
I can tell you ladies one sure way of GETTING a ticket. Start crying. That was the quickest way for me to start writing a citation when I was on the road. Pulling out the whiny card used to piss me off more than whatever it was I pulled the lady over for. Just like has been stated above, be honest, be polite, and don't try to get out of it.

Many years ago, a LEO pulled over my friend and me, as he started to talk to us (I was driving), she started to tear up, etc.. He was super nice and let us go without a ticket. As we pulled away, I looked at her and was like wtf :wtf: and we both just busted out laughing since I knew she was faking it! ...I was shocked that she pulled out the :cry: card !! Crazy :crazy:

Stank Juic3
Tue Jan 27th, 2009, 12:22 PM
Personally I really cant stand cops! I dont hate them but I really dont like them! There have been some cool cops that let my off (Thornton cops are the best). Then there have been some that have been major d***s!

Not saying they single me out! I know I was at fault at all my times being pulled over, but that badge gets to their head and they think there ROBOCOP on their $35k salary.

My GF got in a car crash like 3 weeks ago! She got t-boned at about 50mph! Her car is gone! Her hip broke! Loss of work time! And this cop gives here the ticket and messes up BADLY on the report! Now she has to spend more $$$$ on a laywer to get the deal straight. Plus a new car and fines! HEARTLESS to me!

So if I get pulled i get their info too! I do show them respect because a lot of times I got off or got a lesser ticket was because I show them respect and be honest! But in the back of my head I still say **** cops!

fullgrownbear
Tue Jan 27th, 2009, 02:25 PM
Personally I really cant stand cops! I dont hate them but I really dont like them! There have been some cool cops that let my off (Thornton cops are the best). Then there have been some that have been major d***s!

Not saying they single me out! I know I was at fault at all my times being pulled over, but that badge gets to their head and they think there ROBOCOP on their $35k salary.

My GF got in a car crash like 3 weeks ago! She got t-boned at about 50mph! Her car is gone! Her hip broke! Loss of work time! And this cop gives here the ticket and messes up BADLY on the report! Now she has to spend more $$$$ on a laywer to get the deal straight. Plus a new car and fines! HEARTLESS to me!

So if I get pulled i get their info too! I do show them respect because a lot of times I got off or got a lesser ticket was because I show them respect and be honest! But in the back of my head I still say **** cops!

Wow Dude! It's really hard! To read everything! With an ! at the end! of Everything!

But I totally understand what you're sayin! bro! Not really...

First of all, your GF probably ran the red light and got t-boned because of it. Second of all, You're not showing much respect by the likes of your post. Sounds like a common case of do what I say not what I do.


I still have some left in the bottom of the can, BE GONE!
http://pics.bikerag.com/Uploads/data/500/258Troll_spray.jpg

sprtbkbabe
Tue Jan 27th, 2009, 04:09 PM
Many years ago, a LEO pulled over my friend and me, as he started to talk to us (I was driving), she started to tear up, etc.. He was super nice and let us go without a ticket. As we pulled away, I looked at her and was like wtf :wtf: and we both just busted out laughing since I knew she was faking it! ...I was shocked that she pulled out the :cry: card !! Crazy :crazy:

Or you can always ask the State Patrol in Arizona about his Tazer while riding in a Mini :lol:



BTW: I tried the crying thing a couple times, that shit only made the officers GIVE me tickets. Now,I just try to be honest and that's let me off at least 3 times. :angel:

Stank Juic3
Tue Jan 27th, 2009, 04:34 PM
Wow Dude! It's really hard! To read everything! With an ! at the end! of Everything!

But I totally understand what you're sayin! bro! Not really...

First of all, your GF probably ran the red light and got t-boned because of it. Second of all, You're not showing much respect by the likes of your post. Sounds like a common case of do what I say not what I do.


I still have some left in the bottom of the can, BE GONE!
http://pics.bikerag.com/Uploads/data/500/258Troll_spray.jpg

First off all my GF didn't run the red light. The lady that hit her even said she ran it and amitted to guilt, and my GF still got the ticket! I can see why your probably uspset with my statement against cops. But it's a matter of opinion. Hey, sorry if your a cop or your dads a cop or whatever but I don't have to like them or any law officer because your or anyone on this forum is one. Im pretty sure you seen the BART officer kill that guy handcuff laying on his stomach, right? Or any other police brutality on tv! Y would I respect that? Anyone that gets pulled over can be a victim because the cop is all on edge and feels his life is in danger, so he has to shoot someone. Im not saying I HATE cops I just dont like them! Wow banned me for not liking cops! I dont like snow so troll me out of Colorado!

fullgrownbear
Tue Jan 27th, 2009, 07:17 PM
First off all my GF didn't run the red light. The lady that hit her even said she ran it and amitted to guilt, and my GF still got the ticket! I can see why your probably uspset with my statement against cops. But it's a matter of opinion. Hey, sorry if your a cop or your dads a cop or whatever but I don't have to like them or any law officer because your or anyone on this forum is one. Im pretty sure you seen the BART officer kill that guy handcuff laying on his stomach, right? Or any other police brutality on tv! Y would I respect that? Anyone that gets pulled over can be a victim because the cop is all on edge and feels his life is in danger, so he has to shoot someone. Im not saying I HATE cops I just dont like them! Wow banned me for not liking cops! I dont like snow so troll me out of Colorado!

You quote one specific incident. Why don't you do me a favor - dig up some research and supply this thread with statistics of how often these types of incidents occurr.

I want the number of cops in the united states vs the number of incidents by cops in the united states..

Have fun

Canuck
Tue Jan 27th, 2009, 08:08 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/buppert/buppert16.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts224.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/bothwell10.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/bovard/bovard59.html TSA is another "police organization"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/bothwell/bothwell12.html

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/02/torture-states-domestic-face.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita Yay! USA is #1, dude!

And of course the famous Oscar Grant murder by the BART Cop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJAr6NUy3E&feature=related


You asked for it, so I just brought a few articles/videos out of the vault. I have more if you care.

fullgrownbear
Tue Jan 27th, 2009, 08:50 PM
So, the moral of the story kids, is that we don't need cops.

Might as well move compton and pitch myself a cozy tent!

Stank Juic3
Wed Jan 28th, 2009, 12:13 PM
You'll be missed!

Drew303
Tue Feb 3rd, 2009, 09:58 AM
Do these tips only work for white people? Cause I get a ticket 100% of the time no matter what!

Wyck
Tue Feb 3rd, 2009, 11:09 AM
Do these tips only work for white people? Cause I get a ticket 100% of the time no matter what!


Nope cause I'm white and a girl and the only time I've gotten off without a ticket was from a ladycop on Christmas. I think she felt sorry for me.

SaShWhO
Tue Feb 3rd, 2009, 02:33 PM
love thy cop

R6biker122
Fri Feb 6th, 2009, 12:57 PM
LOL... In Chicago a few years back, I told an officer that a Grey ford escort full of kids waved a gun at me, so I took off trying to leave them behind. and then I told him as I was pulling over, they went by... He left me and went to chase this "grey ford escort".... lolololol...



I find that incredibly hard to believe, but damn if thats true that is pretty amazing. DID u make that up to the officer or did it actually happen?

salsashark
Fri Feb 6th, 2009, 01:00 PM
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WENF5AxFUtU/SQ9BFDbYf7I/AAAAAAAABAE/GSzasK6m3xc/worf.gif

Will someone please kill this thread...

I think it's had a good run and ready to be put out to pasture...

YZFRydn
Tue Feb 17th, 2009, 04:29 PM
welcome!! There are a few cops on here and aspiring ones... My bro is broomfield...

anyways... more fun


Do not fuck with the cops in Broomfield. You so much as push 3+ over and you're busted. That's coming from personal experience.

RajunCajun
Tue Feb 17th, 2009, 06:24 PM
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WENF5AxFUtU/SQ9BFDbYf7I/AAAAAAAABAE/GSzasK6m3xc/worf.gif

Will someone please kill this thread...

I think it's had a good run and ready to be put out to pasture...

Get em Wharf!!! All those teary little crybaby asshats that are somehow insulted when accused of doing shit that they actually did!! I got stopped on the way to the Toad last Friday night. How crazy is this??? He stopped me for not having my lights on, Crazy hugh, because I actually didn't have my lights on, OMFG!! I said I just came from the ATM and my dumm ass forgot to turn my lights on, and, yeah, he totally let me go! I didn't sit there and cry about how I was wronged, I just turned my F'N light back ON.....

Great write-up CaneZach!! Thanks for the info!!

DeVeck
Wed Feb 18th, 2009, 11:11 PM
Maybe, just maybe, And I could be wrong in my vision of twisted reality. Maybe its all the death I have seen. Maybe it was the fact that I killed people in a foreign country so you could sit and bitch and whine and wet your diapers about how we're a totalitarian state and being oppressed and your not free...blah blah blah...maybe its because your an uneducated dolt...who knows...

But maybe those retards being killed by cops was just gods wonderful version of natural selection.

Simple fact is, Cops are out there. They get shot at and attacked and put their ass on the line, just like Military and other gov law enforcement, so you can NOT HAVE TO WORRY about someone shooting you (thus ending our misery) on the road because you cut them off doing 115 on an open highway...God forbid they be paranoid or err on the side of caution. Cause it would make total sense to just be Mr. happy all the time. Maybe we should give you flowers instead of tickets for the tears and frustration you have suffered.

Personally, and I am sure I speak for all the prior service and active duty Americans as well as law enforcement who are with us, I could give two royal shits less about your anti-American, "Repressed by a police state" rhetoric. Go to Iraq or Afghanistan or Lebanon and see how the cops do shit there. Then come back and bitch if your still alive. Just my opinion...

Guess I'm a little sensitive about that kinda thing...LoL

RajunCajun
Wed Feb 18th, 2009, 11:55 PM
I did a ride-along with a buddy of mine that's a local cop. That day gave me a whole new appreciation for the shit that cops have to deal with on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong, I've seen some pompous, ignorant asshole cops that didn't have enough brains to make it through college or pass the EMT exams or make it through the Fire Department academy, and all of a sudden they are sheriff's deputies and live only for the power and badge and gun. But, most people, except for military and LEO, don't know what it's like to have someone try to kill you! That one day, where every single stop could have ended in gunfire and bloodshed and death, made me think of what kind of mindset you have to have to walk up to that car everyday or chase down the armed bad guy. I went on the ride along because I want to be a cop and wanted to know what it really felt like to walk a day in their shoes. It's pretty scary, to think that every person you encounter could potentially be waiting to slit your throat or put a slug in your face. Think about the cop dealing with that, and disrespectful little bangers and tweeker punks and speeders trying to lie their way out of tickets all day and then wonder why the cop doesn't kiss your ass after you endanger his and other's lives by doing stupid shit in a car or bike or whatever. I'd bet that %95 of the time, if you weren't breaking the law, you wouldn't have gotten stopped!

lightspeed
Fri Feb 20th, 2009, 10:40 PM
I think the guys in the last two posts are looking at things a little backwards. Reality is that if you keep thinking your gonna high side and focusing on it....your gonna high side. If you focus on the ground instead of on staying on the bike...you will statistically end up on the ground more than you will staying on the bike. You look through a turn not at the turn... When you main focus is that everyone wants to kill you...guess what, it's gonna happen.

Being x military police myself....it doesn't help to be on edge (thinking everyone is going to kill you). Although I was trained to prepare for the worst.....I always kept reality in the back of my mind when dealing with individuals who may or may not have been criminals. That reality is that EVERYBODY IS NOT A CRIMINAL, and EVERYONE IS NOT CARRYING A M-25 IN ONE POCKET AND A GRENADE PLUS 50 KILOS OF COKE IN THEIR OTHER POCKET. My training is what helped me to determine who was a potential shooter and who wasn't. Part of conflict resolution is not inciting an already potentialy volatile situation. Egos get people (LEOs and civilians) killed.

Also, even LEO's break the law from time to time when no one is looking just like the average joe. Just like money is meant to be spent...laws will be broken even by those who make and uphold them.

RajunCajun
Sat Feb 21st, 2009, 01:24 AM
I think the guys in the last two posts are looking at things a little backwards. Reality is that if you keep thinking your gonna high side and focusing on it....your gonna high side. If you focus on the ground instead of on staying on the bike...you will statistically end up on the ground more than you will staying on the bike. You look through a turn not at the turn... When you main focus is that everyone wants to kill you...guess what, it's gonna happen.

Being x military police myself....it doesn't help to be on edge (thinking everyone is going to kill you). Although I was trained to prepare for the worst.....I always kept reality in the back of my mind when dealing with individuals who may or may not have been criminals. That reality is that EVERYBODY IS NOT A CRIMINAL, and EVERYONE IS NOT CARRYING A M-25 IN ONE POCKET AND A GRENADE PLUS 50 KILOS OF COKE IN THEIR OTHER POCKET. My training is what helped me to determine who was a potential shooter and who wasn't. Part of conflict resolution is not inciting an already potentialy volatile situation. Egos get people (LEOs and civilians) killed.

Also, even LEO's break the law from time to time when no one is looking just like the average joe. Just like money is meant to be spent...laws will be broken even by those who make and uphold them.

That's all fine and dandy, and I'm not saying you don't know what you are talking about,,, BUT,,, some people wonder why cops don't just stroll up to you and off you a hot cup of joe and ask you how your day was. It's pretty easy to see why most are fairly rigid and some, just asshats, but knowing what they have been exposed to every day can give you a pretty good idea of how to deal with them. I never said that every second in a cops day is a war zone, I just said that the threat is always there. The cops on hear could speak on this waayyy better than me. My point is this, just like you don't walk up to your wife after a horrible day at work or with the kids and say, "Why in the hell is my dinner cold and the TV not on ESPN??" cuz you get your arss kicked, that's why, and it's oviously very disrespectful. Well, you don't act like an ass to the cop and he won't kick your's either. It seems pretty simple to me.

Stank Juic3
Sun Feb 22nd, 2009, 02:37 PM
Wow that DeVeck dude must be having a bad day.

Midget Hellion
Mon Feb 23rd, 2009, 02:04 PM
Opinions are like Assholes...this forum is full of them. :p

and 200 post ago another one joined!

DeVeck
Thu Feb 26th, 2009, 08:22 PM
Wow that DeVeck dude must be having a bad day.

You watch a bunch of your buddies get killed in some gay desert, then come home to find out that even the cops you were friends with died (one who was hit by a truck on a motorcycle) and see how your days go, Peaches...

Mozer
Sun Apr 12th, 2009, 10:34 PM
Just an honest opinion... and I don't know if CO has a no-chase policy. I'm sure its a situationally dependent reaction... and I wouldn't push it on anyone... BUT...

As a man who averages 1 ticket for every 15 times pulled over my only insight is...Run. Right Left Right Left Right Left and so on til you can hide.

Then go back THE EXACT WAY YOU CAME... cops will try to close in on you and from experience the few I've encountered assume you are not as methodical as they are.

Conversely, depending on your riding style... stop and be cool. Smiles work. Jokes work. But a T-shirt that says "F@#$ you you F-ing F@#$er"... yeah, that'll score you an arraignment... especially if the initial stop was for exhibition riding.

I got popped wearing a NYPD K-9 shirt... pulled over, the trooper asked me if I was a cop, to which I responded...

"Do they get special treatment?"

and was told to get the hell out of there.

everybody's got jokes. and tickets are really just taxes for your riding style.

http://www.gixxer-forum.net/forum/images/smilies/guns.gif

sleepercivic88
Wed May 27th, 2009, 01:58 PM
I just got a ticket outside of pergosa springs down south...for going 74 in a 60. I passed a car when the road when two lanes wide in a section....the state patrol was running thick down there...The cop was chatty and seemed cool but gave me a ticket. kinda lame

RajunCajun
Wed May 27th, 2009, 02:16 PM
I pretty much don't speed and haven't gotten a ticket since I quit. Weird, hugh????

FZRguy
Wed May 27th, 2009, 07:35 PM
I pretty much don't speed and haven't gotten a ticket since I quit. Weird, hugh????

So you ride 35 in the canyons?

Zach929rr
Wed May 27th, 2009, 08:59 PM
So you ride 35 in the canyons?

Everybody does, duh.

Aphrodite
Sun May 31st, 2009, 01:32 PM
I was going south on Sante Fe on Fri and got stopped for crossing the solid white between Lipan and Dartmouth. The ticket is "Not Obeying Traffic Controls" 4 points used the signals sat through several lights about 10 minutes or so was within 10-15 feet of the Dartmouth turning lane, I was pissed, still am. Damn Englehood. After getting the ticket I told him he had better things to be stopping people for, I was furious, all the raging drivers and tailgaters and speeders out there and he is sitting watching a white line. Wrong is wrong I broke the law, I guess but seems they should take certain priorities during rush hours and on stopping law breakers.

highpsi03
Mon Jun 1st, 2009, 02:33 PM
A buddy of mine and i passed a golden cop across from the Coors brewery right in the construction zone.. I believe the speed limit is 45, we passed him probably around 65-70. He looked at us and just went back to radaring.

Zach929rr
Mon Jun 1st, 2009, 02:37 PM
I normally wouldn't say shit nor care, but a construction zone? : /


Anywho, I've had a similar experience on I25, with a very awkward look from a CSP guy.

highpsi03
Mon Jun 1st, 2009, 03:12 PM
I normally wouldn't say shit nor care, but a construction zone? : /


Anywho, I've had a similar experience on I25, with a very awkward look from a CSP guy.
It's been a "construction" zone for well over a year now and i never see anyone working on it. Basically its just cones that take it from 2 lanes to 1.

SLVRSURFR
Mon Jun 1st, 2009, 03:30 PM
I was going south on Sante Fe on Fri and got stopped for crossing the solid white between Lipan and Dartmouth. The ticket is "Not Obeying Traffic Controls" 4 points used the signals sat through several lights about 10 minutes or so was within 10-15 feet of the Dartmouth turning lane, I was pissed, still am. Damn Englehood. After getting the ticket I told him he had better things to be stopping people for, I was furious, all the raging drivers and tailgaters and speeders out there and he is sitting watching a white line. Wrong is wrong I broke the law, I guess but seems they should take certain priorities during rush hours and on stopping law breakers.

Well, when ya win some , ur just plain lucky. When ya lose.. petty bullS#@t like this happens, and it lands you a ticket.

If You're riding a Rocket, just prepare to be guilty, with the burden of proving yourself innocent. Where i'm at, they've got a serious boner for us the past 2 yrs..

whitebrad
Mon Jun 29th, 2009, 09:18 PM
just got a ticket a few weeks ago... new to this shithole, hate the fuckin law up your ass everywhere you turn...

i-25 northbound at 2:30 in the afternoon, getting boxed in by these cagers in the far left lane, doing about 62 in a 55,

cager on the right in my blindspot starts closing the little hole i got left, but this fucker's been speeding up and slowing down, just enough to make me think he's a fuckin idiot....

cage in front of me doing that semi swerve cellphone action... behind me they are closing me in...

i see that fucker on my right slow back down and notice my window is clear to 2 lanes over. hit the gas, jump to about 75, change lanes...

get pulled over by a fuckin motorcycle cop who gives me a fuckin ticket and acts like i was just speeding to fucking speed...

fuckin cops... i swear to god, they really just enforce whatever law they want... funny thing, i am not even the one on the highway going the fastest...

glad he kept the public safe that day... god forbid a rider gets out of a danger area by using the fucking throttle...

anyone know how the courts are here?

any advice?

Nick_Ninja
Mon Jun 29th, 2009, 09:20 PM
don't ride on I-25

FZRguy
Mon Jun 29th, 2009, 10:07 PM
Personal safety is a valid reason to get the ticket dismissed. Plead innocent and take your chances with the judge, or maybe the DA will see your side of things.

303fizzer
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 01:39 AM
Opinions are like Assholes...this forum is full of them. :p

and 200 post ago another one joined!

In your quote my friend!! EVERYONE JUST CLICK IT!! Because it is worth the time to just click it!! I LOVE AMERICA AND AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN BUT I HATE OUR FUCKING GOVERNMENT!!

Aphrodite
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 08:07 AM
just got a ticket a few weeks ago... new to this shithole, hate the fuckin law up your ass everywhere you turn...

i-25 northbound at 2:30 in the afternoon, getting boxed in by these cagers in the far left lane, doing about 62 in a 55,

cager on the right in my blindspot starts closing the little hole i got left, but this fucker's been speeding up and slowing down, just enough to make me think he's a fuckin idiot....

cage in front of me doing that semi swerve cellphone action... behind me they are closing me in...

i see that fucker on my right slow back down and notice my window is clear to 2 lanes over. hit the gas, jump to about 75, change lanes...

get pulled over by a fuckin motorcycle cop who gives me a fuckin ticket and acts like i was just speeding to fucking speed...

fuckin cops... i swear to god, they really just enforce whatever law they want... funny thing, i am not even the one on the highway going the fastest...

glad he kept the public safe that day... god forbid a rider gets out of a danger area by using the fucking throttle...

anyone know how the courts are here?

any advice?

Denver likes to negotiate everything, this is no right or wrong just cash flow.

whitebrad
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 08:35 AM
Denver likes to negotiate everything, this is no right or wrong just cash flow.

so what, pay a fine, but with no points?

this is my first ticket in like 12 years...

made it all over the midwest without a ticket, and this first summer riding out here i pick one up...

ridiculous...

CaneZach
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:08 AM
just got a ticket a few weeks ago... new to this shithole, hate the fuckin law up your ass everywhere you turn...

i-25 northbound at 2:30 in the afternoon, getting boxed in by these cagers in the far left lane, doing about 62 in a 55,

cager on the right in my blindspot starts closing the little hole i got left, but this fucker's been speeding up and slowing down, just enough to make me think he's a fuckin idiot....

cage in front of me doing that semi swerve cellphone action... behind me they are closing me in...

i see that fucker on my right slow back down and notice my window is clear to 2 lanes over. hit the gas, jump to about 75, change lanes...

get pulled over by a fuckin motorcycle cop who gives me a fuckin ticket and acts like i was just speeding to fucking speed...

fuckin cops... i swear to god, they really just enforce whatever law they want... funny thing, i am not even the one on the highway going the fastest...

glad he kept the public safe that day... god forbid a rider gets out of a danger area by using the fucking throttle...

anyone know how the courts are here?

any advice?

So, you're on a highway somewhere, in the left lane, already traveling above the posted speed limit, correct? The person in front of you is doing a "semi-swerve cell phone action", but not a full-blown weaving into the other lane or onto the shoulder, or you would have said so instead of describing their action as "semi".

The person to your right has been speeding up and slowing down, which is extremely annoying, but is performing no other driving action, right? I mean, they aren't eating, driving with their feet while they smoke a bowl, driving with a blindfold on, or any other indicator that they couldn't maintain control of their vehicle. They haven't been driving recklessly or aggressively before this, or you would have said so. All they're doing is annoying you.

So, you make a choice to accelerate to twenty miles per hour over the posted speed limit and you get pulled over for it. You chose to "get out of a danger area"? How was this any more dangerous than any other ride? I mean, the guy next to you wasn't swerving into your lane or doing anything that was hostile, aggressive, or potentially dangerous to you, right? You described them as speeding up and slowing down. The guy in front of you is, well, in front of you! The only way the two of you could possibly collide is if YOU hit THEM! It's not like they can suddenly throw it in reverse and back over you. If they're ahead of you, you would have to fail to maintain a safe distance and run into them!!! So, forgive me, but I fail to see how you were in ANY sort of hazardous or dangerous area, but that wouldn't give you the opportunity to bitch about the cop stopping you for twenty over, would it?

whitebrad
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:30 AM
So, you're on a highway somewhere, in the left lane, already traveling above the posted speed limit, correct? The person in front of you is doing a "semi-swerve cell phone action", but not a full-blown weaving into the other lane or onto the shoulder, or you would have said so instead of describing their action as "semi".

The person to your right has been speeding up and slowing down, which is extremely annoying, but is performing no other driving action, right? I mean, they aren't eating, driving with their feet while they smoke a bowl, driving with a blindfold on, or any other indicator that they couldn't maintain control of their vehicle. They haven't been driving recklessly or aggressively before this, or you would have said so. All they're doing is annoying you.

So, you make a choice to accelerate to twenty miles per hour over the posted speed limit and you get pulled over for it. You chose to "get out of a danger area"? How was this any more dangerous than any other ride? I mean, the guy next to you wasn't swerving into your lane or doing anything that was hostile, aggressive, or potentially dangerous to you, right? You described them as speeding up and slowing down. The guy in front of you is, well, in front of you! The only way the two of you could possibly collide is if YOU hit THEM! It's not like they can suddenly throw it in reverse and back over you. If they're ahead of you, you would have to fail to maintain a safe distance and run into them!!! So, forgive me, but I fail to see how you were in ANY sort of hazardous or dangerous area, but that wouldn't give you the opportunity to bitch about the cop stopping you for twenty over, would it?

i think the salient part was the behind me they are closing me in... the car 3 ft behind me riding my ass like a fucking horse...

i think when you have 3 cars pushing you into a box, with the car in front of you bouncing line to line only paying half attention, then the car trying to dry hump your back tire behind you, and the blind spot guy closing you in, well, i don't know about you, but my daddy taught me everything i know about riding, growing up on the back of his bikes... and that would be a fuckin danger zone... cars too close and no way to get out if they start piling up on each other in an effort to meet the jaws of life...

of course i could be wrong, but what my daddy taught me has kept me out of wrecks for about 19 years, and him out of wrecks, save one incident of him going off the road into grass to avoid a car, for about 41 years...

maybe it works... just guessin, with the 12 years of no tickets and 19 years of no wrecks, i would say i am a pretty safe rider... do you think experience could count for somethin there?

that's roughly 60 years of riding experience.

and i would do it all again... i would rather get a fucking ticket than play russian roulette with thousand pound bullets...

but what do i know?

CaneZach
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 11:07 AM
i think the salient part was the behind me they are closing me in... the car 3 ft behind me riding my ass like a fucking horse...

i think when you have 3 cars pushing you into a box, with the car in front of you bouncing line to line only paying half attention, then the car trying to dry hump your back tire behind you, and the blind spot guy closing you in, well, i don't know about you, but my daddy taught me everything i know about riding, growing up on the back of his bikes... and that would be a fuckin danger zone... cars too close and no way to get out if they start piling up on each other in an effort to meet the jaws of life...

of course i could be wrong, but what my daddy taught me has kept me out of wrecks for about 19 years, and him out of wrecks, save one incident of him going off the road into grass to avoid a car, for about 41 years...

maybe it works... just guessin, with the 12 years of no tickets and 19 years of no wrecks, i would say i am a pretty safe rider... do you think experience could count for somethin there?

that's roughly 60 years of riding experience.

and i would do it all again... i would rather get a fucking ticket than play russian roulette with thousand pound bullets...

but what do i know?

Actually, had the car been "3 ft. behind (you) riding (your) ass like a horse" you would have said so in your first post. I would venture that the car was nowhere near as close as you said, as you described them as "closing me in", not that they had already closed you in, as someone 3' behind you would certainly be described. Instead, you said they were "closing", which is a continuing action. It's the difference between saying they were catching up to me and they had caught up to me. One would indicate they were still trailing while the other would mean they were within close proximity.

Unfortunately, your problem is that now you're describing the events as if there was some sort of impending peril when at first you're describing them differently. In your second description, the car in front of you is "bouncing line to line" while the driver is "only paying half attention". Your first post describes it as a "semi weaving cell phone thing", so which is it? Your first post says the cars behind you are "closing", but now they're practically shaving off your tire with their grill.

It's revisionist history, my friend. The first situation you described had no more potential for danger than the average ride on the interstate. Now, that's not to say that the cagers out there aren't idiots, but it's an inherent risk when riding and the first situation you described seems like it's no more dangerous than the average ride. The second now makes it seem like they were going to run you down if you didn't get the hell out of there or they were working in concert to form some sort of rolling roadblock and trap you with the intent of harming you. Forgive me if I have a hard time believing you when you are describing the same event but the more forceful, angered, and dangerous articulation of the events come from the second description as opposed to the first. If the situation was really as bad as you described, the more charged verbage and description would've come during your initial recount of the events.

Also, describing yourself as a safe driver because you have "12 years of no wrecks" and "19 years of no wrecks" doesn't necessarily mean much. I know guys who think they're "experienced" riders because they've ridden for "15 years!!!" It's a little misleading to hear, because you hear 15 years and think, "Wow, they're really experienced," when in reality, I have more miles on the track in the last three years (only about 2k, so it's not like I'm setting the track on fire) than they have total over the last five. Bringing in what your "Daddy" has taught you and how he hasn't wrecked in 40 years doesn't mean a thing. Your experience is not dependent on how much time in the saddle he's had.

Anyways, if you said you would do it all again and take the ticket, why the complaint? You thought you did what was justified while the officer saw it differently. You have the option to go to court and plead your case, so fight the citation if you think it was unwarranted.

whitebrad
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 11:48 AM
jesus fuckin christ... ain't nothin like arguing the poinnt with someone who wasn't there...

blahgity fuckin blah...

post edited because he already knows everything i am gonna say...

feels a lot like this to debate with someone who knows what i mean better than i do...

after all, how much time my dad's got in the saddle is irrelevant with his ability to teach me right... i mean, we should all sign up for this guy's class, since he knows everyfukin thing...

blah blah blah blah blah...
:banghead:

Zach929rr
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 11:52 AM
Put your e-dicks away, gentlemen.

Nick_Ninja
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 11:53 AM
meltdown, yet another :roll:

Devaclis
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 11:55 AM
It is good to vent every now and then. Just don't make it personal.

whitebrad
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 12:00 PM
not trying to make it personal... just in complete shock, that's all

blahgity fukin blah

maybe someday i'll be a fuckin knower


ha ha ha ha ha! just reread my original description... it's exactly what happened... should go back and explain it line by line...

reading comprehension is funny like that...

one man's there is another man's their

highpsi03
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 02:27 PM
not trying to make it personal... just in complete shock, that's all

blahgity fukin blah

maybe someday i'll be a fuckin knower


ha ha ha ha ha! just reread my original description... it's exactly what happened... should go back and explain it line by line...

reading comprehension is funny like that...

one man's there is another man's their
Try that shift key every once in a while.

CaneZach
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Nothing personal about it. I just found it funny that the first time the event was described, it sounded like any average ride on the interstate. He said the person ahead was "semi cell phone weaving" and the car next to him was speeding up and slowing down, which are both annoyances. Then he says the cars behind him were closing him in. The second time he describes it, the person in front is going from line to line and the car behind him is 3' off his bumper. Now he comes back and says it was the first way, which as I said, is an everyday event! Nobody here is measuring their e-dicks or anything. My e-dick is tucked away in my e-pants.

I simply found it odd that he described an average ride on the interstate as a danger zone and pointed out the discrepancies in his stories. Now, I can regularly admit that I'm automatically going to side with the cop when the event sounds like just another day in Colorado, then uses more inflammatory language and hyperbole to make the event seem way more dangerous than it was. Rather than respond to him again and go into what I really think I'll just leave it as is

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 06:09 PM
I was coming home from work today and decided to take the route through downtown. I know where several hot spots are so went slow until I could see the area and make sure it was clear. A motorcycle cop was in a perfect area to where normal sitting cars and trucks wouldn't be able to see him, because of ramp guard fences. But since am a motorcycle enthusiast, I sit a little higher, so I was able to see him. I slowed down, to what must have been below the speed limit. I looked at him and shook my head. I shook my head because it made me sad. Sad someone was going to get a ticket and there was nothing I could do about. I wanted to pull over and wave to traffic to warn them. Warn them of the danger that lurked beyond their sight. But, alas, I couldn't.

The cop pointed at me and forcefully jerked his arm, pointing away from himself, apparently trying to tell me to speed up and get the fuck out of here. I wanted to give him a hug.

True story.

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 06:24 PM
I can't imagine what it's like to be a policemen. To have to go to "work" and deal with political propaganda, mean and intolerable people, and probably have to worry about wife and kids and bills and other items that could everyone else's way. But, at the same time, the unfortunate thing about our lives and those put into office have in common is we all make mistakes. And, please don't confuse my saying "mistakes", as a police officer or a soon to be ticket holder (not a special event where you go and have fun) doing things that are beyond their control. That cop could have an automatic response to a situation. A response that has told him in the past is right. A response that has always worked and always made sense. So in general, why would he change?

But, remember, we are all human. And, in fact, it's this endless chase we conduct with ourselves (fellow humans) that has us spinning like a record baby, round like a record. Eh?

In short, there is no simple way to answer such a question because we are dealing with people's life time experiences and automatic responses. Reactions that they have developed for many years and we get to enjoy the end result. Unfortunately, we receive a ticket.

I side with ticket holders as such, I'm not a policemen.

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 06:30 PM
Actually, here is a better thread title. "What inspired you to become a police officer, and has that changed?"

FZRguy
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Damn CZ, you're either a cop or have way too much time on your hands. I'll do whatever it takes to avoid or get out of a box situation.

whitebrad
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Damn CZ, you're either a cop or have way too much time on your hands. I'll do whatever it takes to avoid or get out of a box situation.


yeah, but you aren't a racer, apparently.

i guess they ride so f'n good they don't need to try to be proactive to prevent a dangerous situation...

seen it too many times... partner of mine has a whole head of dental implants because of the same situation, but he had to clip a car and go into a grassy ditch where he went over the bars and broke all of his teeth out..

shift keys suck. especially on this laptop... my regular puter got confickered the other day... stupid hackers

CaneZach
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 08:52 PM
yeah, but you aren't a racer, apparently.

i guess they ride so f'n good they don't need to try to be proactive to prevent a dangerous situation...

seen it too many times... partner of mine has a whole head of dental implants because of the same situation, but he had to clip a car and go into a grassy ditch where he went over the bars and broke all of his teeth out..

shift keys suck. especially on this laptop... my regular puter got confickered the other day... stupid hackers


See, I was willing to just say my peace and let it lie, but now I feel like I'm being forced to respond:

First off, this whole BS "you aren't a racer, apparently... I guess they ride so f'in good they don't need to be proactive" and your "everybody should sign up for this guy's class because..." is all bullshit. One, all you're doing is creating a straw man argument. Two, they're deflection techniques to try to take the focus off of you. Three, not once did I ever say anything close to what you describe, such as there's no need to be proactive and I'm the best coach in the world. Rather than have a discussion, you got pissy and responded with BS.

Now, onto the matter at hand, which is your citation. You don't like to be boxed in, and I get that. I don't either! The problem I have, as I've said all along, is that your first description is simple: "doing about 62 in a 55" "cage in front of me doing that semi swerve cellphone action" "behind me they are closing me in". As I pointed out, it all seems like a normal day in Colorado. Now when you describe it a second time, the car in front of you is going lane to lane and the cars behind you are literally 3' off your bumper. Lane to lane or line to line, however you described it, is not a "semi weave". The lanes on the interstate are 12'6", so that's a full-on weave if they're going from center line to shoulder. Instead, you use the minimizing word "semi" to describe it.

When you're talking about the cars behind you, you say they're closing you in at first. Then the second time you describe it, you're saying that they're literally "3 ft behind me riding my ass like a fucking horse". There's a huge difference between someone who is closing me in and someone who is right on top of me. I find it hard to believe they were anywhere close to you. Why? Because if they were as close to you as you described, you would have said so during your first post where you were trying to defend your actions. Pointing out that someone posed a clear and present threat makes your actions more understandable. Instead, you initially simply described them as "closing you in". If someone is right on my ass, the very first time I describe their actions, I'm saying they're RIGHT ON MY ASS!!! I'm not saying, "They were closing me in". Human nature tends to paint ourselves in the best possible light and when we try to defend actions or response to a certain situation, we try to maximize others' actions that caused us to react a certain way and minimize our own actions during the event. In this case, you don't maximize their actions (weaving, following too closely, etc.) until the second time you describe it! If it really happened the way you described it in your response to me, you would've described it that way the first time.

As to your Daddy's teachings: I don't care how much time, training, or experience your daddy has when the subject is you. Your dad may be or may have been a helluva rider, but for all I know, he could have been a terrible teacher. Frankly, I don't know. There are plenty of people who know astral physics and can't teach a math class to first-graders, and there are plenty of guys who can ride their asses off but couldn't teach someone how to even throw a leg over the bike. You describing your father's experience doesn't mean crap when it comes to YOUR experience. That's like me saying, "Hey, Valentino Rossi is my best friend!" He's arguably the best rider in the world, but that doesn't mean I know how to ride worth a damn. You want to beat your chest about his 41 years of experience and your 12 years of this and 19 years of that? It doesn't impress anyone on here and it doesn't come anywhere close to telling us about your abilities! Like I've already said, I know people who say they have 15-years of experience, but all that means is they've ridden for 15 years. When you look at the time they've spent in the saddle, you would find that they log as many miles in one year as some people clock on a weekend! They talk about their years, but in reality, they're as experienced as most rookie riders. If they had said they logged 15K miles last year, that would quantify their experience. If they'd said they took an MSF rider course or went through Levels I and II of Keith Code's school, that would give an idea as to their abilities. Instead, all you said was "I've got 12 years of this and 19 years of that and my daddy has 41 years" Each of us on here has probably ridden with someone who has described their experience the same way you did, but when it comes time to ride, they can't ride very well at all. All your bragging about your years of crash-free and ticket-free riding is an attempt to make yourself a better rider than you really are. It's no different than the guy that gets stopped for speeding and the his argument isn't that he wasn't speeding, it's that he hasn't gotten a ticket in twenty years. As every single person on here will tell you, and you would probably admit it too (not to me, but probably to yourself), just because you've had ten years of ticket-free riding doesn't make you a good or even a safe rider. It simply means you haven't been caught or ticketed. The average drunk driver has driven intoxicated at least ten times before they get their first DUI. Now think about how many times you've sped and never been caught. Want to rethink your "my 12 years of blah blah blah experience" line again?

FZRguy, to answer your question, yes, I'm a ten year cop. I've been a motor officer in the past, but I always make it a point to be a little more lenient to fellow riders, as long as they were cooperative and courteous. Since I ride, I understand the challenges and dangers we face, which is why I could understand someone not wanting to get boxed in. The main issue I have, aside from everything I've described, is the whole "fucking law up my ass, fucking cops enforce blah blah blah, I wasn't the fastest one on the highway" bullshit. People carry this attitude with them and they wonder why they get tickets all the time... but it's always the cop's fault.

So, with that all said, flame away.

Zach929rr
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 08:55 PM
I daresay that was a well thought out response.

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:31 PM
I daresay that was a well thought out response.


no, you may not :)

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:35 PM
CaneZach, I think people are just mad at the entire system. It's hard to say why. But, ultimately, how do you feel about it? You are more part of the system than we are, in a manner of speaking.

Cars-R-Coffins
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:40 PM
The cop pointed at me and forcefully jerked his arm, pointing away from himself, apparently trying to tell me to speed up and get the fuck out of here. I wanted to give him a hug.

True story.

If the officer's genuine intention was to slow traffic down he would not have cared that you were going under the speed limit (as long as you were not holding up traffic) but unfortunately he, or his bosses (whatever), was more concerned with catching someone speeding. As the economy slows I'll bet speeding and traffic ticket numbers are on the rise. It's a big $$$ generator for whatever city he/she works for, with the possibility of decreasing the number of accidents only a byproduct. Sad :(

Nick_Ninja
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:42 PM
CaneZach, I think people are just mad at the entire system. It's hard to say why. But, ultimately, how do you feel about it? You are more part of the system than we are, in a manner of speaking.

Maybe this will give you a clue:

http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/showpost.php?p=473297&postcount=135

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:42 PM
If the officer's genuine intention was to slow traffic down he would not have cared that you were going under the speed limit (as long as you were not holding up traffic) but unfortunately he, or his bosses (whatever), was more concerned with catching someone speeding. As the economy slows I'll bet speeding and traffic ticket numbers are on the rise. It's a big $$$ generator for whatever city he/she works for, with the possibility of decreasing the number of accidents only a byproduct. Sad :(


It will always be a mystery. I wish I could ask him. He seemed so passionate.

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:43 PM
Maybe this will give you a clue:

http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/showpost.php?p=473297&postcount=135


negative

FZRguy
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:55 PM
I think the motoring public is fed-up with revenue tickets. When it comes to traffic enforcement, I want the police to ticket those that pose a danger to the rest of us, i.e. drunk or drugged motorists, road rage drivers, aggressive drivers, red light runners, etc. Not so much those traveling 10-15 over on a four lane divided highway with a speed limit set for RV driving tourists. I’m sure that CZ will have a perspective on this.

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 09:57 PM
I think the motoring public is fed-up with revenue tickets. When it comes to traffic enforcement, I want the police to ticket those that pose a danger to the rest of us, i.e. drunk or drugged motorists, road rage drivers, aggressive drivers, red light runners, etc. Not so much those traveling 10-15 over on a four lane divided highway with a speed limit set for out of state RV driving tourists. I’m sure that CZ will have a perspective on this.


I just think it would be smarter to ask the questions and hear true response rather than accuse and slander. Then we can understand the situation then perhaps relate on their level and maybe be safer (i doubt it), or at least approach the police officer on different terms.

Nick_Ninja
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 10:04 PM
I just think it would be smarter to ask the questions and hear true response rather than accuse and slander. Then we can understand the situation then perhaps relate on their level and maybe be safer (i doubt it), or at least approach the police officer on different terms.

That will not change a thing.

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 10:19 PM
That will not change a thing.


my ultimate goal, which now won't be met because I'm voicing it, is to see if even police officers believe in what they do. And if not, then why do they play a role? When the hell do we stand up for ourselves?

It's kinda funny, at my job I ran into a similar situation. We were having problems with one of the co-owners that was basically bringing the company down. Everyone knew it. Everyone hated coming to work because of this person. Even the other owners knew they had to do something. I asked a manager why he didn't stand up for himself and make a difference. And why we didn't do the same. And I received the same answer you said, "it's not going to change a thing".

Well, thankfully they did something about it but that's besides the point. The idea from all this is that we at a very basic level stop giving a shit about our lives. And now all we do is complain. We blame! We make matters worse because we insist on making matters worse because we're anger. And, we want (in this case) police to know it.

It's insanity. By definition.

Ceez
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 10:50 PM
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THIS is how a debate should be done, valid points on all parts! :up:

CaneZach
Tue Jun 30th, 2009, 11:02 PM
To answer your question, first and foremost I have to preface it by saying my primary responsibility is NOT traffic enforcement. I work in a specialty unit, so my time on the road is minimal.

With that said, I, as well as some officers, believe the speed limit is entirely too low in some areas. For those of you familiar with Woodland Park, I think the roadway between the Springs and Woodland should be a 65 zone once you get out of the pass. I don't have a problem with the pass being 45, but the rest of the roadway is pretty much wide open and I think the current 55 MPH limit is too low. The problem though is that even at 55, you'll see let's say 50% of the motorists traveling between 55 and 60, another 25% between 60 and 65, another 20% between 65 and 75, and 5% above 75. If you were to raise the speed limit to 65, you would see the same percentages, but the speeds would be increased. Here in the Springs, the speed limit on the Interstate in town was set at 55MPH. You would routinely see people traveling between 70 and 75. A few months ago, they raised it up to 65. Now those same people that were doing 70-75 in a 55 are doing 80. As the speed limit increases, people's actual speeds increases as well. They have this "I need to get there right NOW!!!" mentality that forces them to travel faster than everyone else.

As far as generating revenue is concerned, nobody likes it. Not the violator, not the officer, not the supervisor, not the agency's command staff, NOBODY!!! We'll all come up with a smartass answer whenever we hear, "Don't you have more important things to do than pull me over for (insert violation here)?" Truth is, we would much rather be finding drugs, or arresting murderers, or preventing crimes, but that isn't possible all the time since police work is largely reactive, so prevention isn't entirely possible. I hated supervisors that were strictly ticket counters. True story: I hauled in multiple 100+ pound drug seizures, several wanted felons, filed more felony cases than anyone else on my team, but because I didn't write enough seatbelt tickets, the supervisor had a problem with me (yes, there are supervisors like that). All he cared about was how many tickets I wrote and how many drunks I'd arrested. I was in the top 100 of DUI arrests in the State, filed twice as many felonies as the second-closest officer, took hundreds of pounds of drugs off the streets, but I wasn't as "good" as the guy who did nothing but write 10 tickets a night and arrest 5 drunks a week. He was a worm of a man who was an ineffective, useless supervisor who is and was despised wherever he went because he failed to take care of his officers, but part of that problem was the commanders above him. He had to answer to a captain, who had to answer to someone else, who had to answer... well, you get the point. And someone at the very top wanted better numbers, so that ball of crap began rolling downhill and hit every part of the chain of command on down. Hence, the average street cop is writing more tickets. As far as generating revenue though, Troopers issue citations and the money goes back to the State's general fund. 97% of the general fund goes to things OTHER than the State Patrol, such as Higher Ed., Public Health, etc., so when a Trooper issues a citation, he isn't generating revenue for his agency. I would venture to say most cities and counties work the same way, but I'm not sure.

At the same time, traffic enforcement is important. There are some people who think they should be able to go down the road at 110 MPH, drunk out of their minds and not be stopped (Nick, I'm looking right at you), but I disagree. I don't want my kids out there with someone like that on the road. Crashes are the number one killer of people between 16 and 25. Traffic is also a great way to inderdict criminals. I can't tell you how many pounds of drugs I've taken off the street by patrolling. Same goes for wanted felons, drunk/drugged drivers, guns, etc. The way to get that stuff off the streets is to stop the car. If you're not making the stops, you're going to miss all that stuff.

When I worked the road, aside from narcotics and criminal interdiction (which I was pretty good at, if I do say so myself), I would look for more aggressive violators to stop. I wanted the red light/stop sign runners. I wanted the tailgaters. I wanted the aggressive drivers who thought the road was theirs. I wanted the people who couldn't keep their speeds in check, and by check I meant 15 or more over. That speed was also dependent on the area. 10 over on a straightaway is a lot different than 10 over on a twisty, mountain road. 10 over on the interstate usually doesn't even get my attention. 10 over in a construction zone gets you stopped and cited. Everything depends on the circumstances.

Ultimately, everyone is upset at the system. The officer wants to catch more egregious violators/criminals/etc., the public doesn't want to get stopped, the commanders wish they didn't have to answer to the city council/county commisioners, and the courts would be happier if they didn't have so many tickets to take care of. Unfortunately, it's one big vicious circle, but we as police officers can only stop you if you're breaking the law. If you're doing 20 over the limit and a cop catches you, chances are you're getting stopped and ticketed. If you're trying to beat the light at an intersection and you have to rationalize it to yourself (you know, the whole "it wasn't red, it was orange" comment), then chances are you were wrong to begin with. If you roll through a stop sign, expect to get stopped. If you're an asshole when you drive, expect a summons for reckless driving. If you go out and drink, expect a DUI if you get behind the wheel. It's like a game. You're part of a team and we're the referees/umpires. You do something against the rules, we throw the flag.

I have to also say, my views are not necessarily shared by others. Just like anywhere else you go, there are some people who are just assholes. To them, the letter of the law is more important than the spirit of the law. To me, the law's intent was more important. The law is there to prevent one person from infringing upon the rights,safety,health, livelihood, etc. of others. As far as I'm concerned, there's some gray area in speeding. To me, the speed limit, although I may have considered it low in certain areas, was designed to keep people safe, so I enforced it. Personally, I think the speed limit could be increased, but most drivers out there aren't good enough to allow that to happen. I'm all for mandatory driver's license retests. I think it's BS that someone who doesn't speak a lick of English, be they Chinese or Mexican, can have someone there to "interpret" the test from English to their native language. English is the international language of pilots, but driver's in this state, which is in the United States the last time I checked, don't have to speak a word of it. I think senior citizens should be forced to retest every two years, preferably annually. Although I would never touch it, I do think marijuana should be legalized. Treat it like tobacco, produce it commercially and levy a tax on it, then see how much more revenue your government will see. I think you should have a graduated motorcycle license that prevent some 20-year old knucklehead from buying an R1 as his first bike. I think dealerships should be required to check for a motorcycle endorsement before selling a bike.

Oldgreen
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 12:38 AM
Okay, this has been eating at me for a long time. I am older, I am a retired Fed, I am a disabled veteran from the '70's. I say all that so you know I am average looking older guy who doesn't have a 'tude. I was taught to respect and trust police.
Have you seen the video of the Iraq vet in CA getting shot while on his ass and begging for his life because he was a PASSENGER in a speeding car....six or more cops kicking and hitting a SUSPECT in PA....5 people in Greeley involved in a MURDER, the only one that wasn't a cop or working for the PD was the victim! I have been pulled over for 10 mph over the speed limit while passing and both times the cop screamed at me before I even said anything, I didn't run, pulled over at once, had ALL my paperwork. I rarely speed, even on the Ninja. The so-called investigation these LEO's did was horrible and they treated me with contempt and poor manners. Once my wife and kids were in the car and the CSP made rude comments about THEM. My kids were 10 and 8 at the time. How do I explain that? Now, whenever I see a cop I either pull over and wait for them to clear the area or slow WAY down, just in case. I am contemplating if I ever get pulled over again, I will call 911 for backup before I get shot or beaten! FWIW, all the Larimer Sherif Deputies I have met were awesome and professional. The CSP is horrible, condesending, not willing to listen, arguementative and rude, they scare me!

The other day some asshole runs me to the centerline in a passing zone, I am doing 60 in a 55-GPS verified, and then brake checks me hard. The cage did it on purpose, acknowledged by the deputy. I lose my temper and blast by the guy and get pulled over by the un-marked car that saw the whole thing. A verbal warning, okay, but what about the guy that tried to kill me? The deputy saw it and acknowleged it happened. BTW, I was slowing back to the speed limit, also acknowleged by the deputy, when he caught me.
Don't even get me started on the CSP who gave my friend a ticket in a blizzard, because he was UNWILLING to look for her proof of insurance or take her to her stranded truck. But he was WILLING to let her and her 5 kids walk 1 and 1/2 miles in the blizzard as he DIDN'T find her POI and then passed her and her 5 kids again and waited for her to walk to the store he stopped at! As I stood there he told her he had to give her a ticket even though he was sure she had it and it was in her truck where she said it was, but he couldn't get the drivers side door open and didn't want to use the passenger door.
Oh wait, I guess I am just making this shit up to make myself look better.....

CaneZach
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 12:50 AM
I'm guessing there's a comment or question somewhere in your gripe? I notice you pretty much copied the post you made over a year ago.

whitebrad
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 02:30 AM
See, I was willing to just say my peace and let it lie, but now I feel like I'm being forced to respond:

First off, this whole BS "you aren't a racer, apparently... I guess they ride so f'in good they don't need to be proactive" and your "everybody should sign up for this guy's class because..." is all bullshit. One, all you're doing is creating a straw man argument. Two, they're deflection techniques to try to take the focus off of you. Three, not once did I ever say anything close to what you describe, such as there's no need to be proactive and I'm the best coach in the world. Rather than have a discussion, you got pissy and responded with BS.

Now, onto the matter at hand, which is your citation. You don't like to be boxed in, and I get that. I don't either! The problem I have, as I've said all along, is that your first description is simple: "doing about 62 in a 55" "cage in front of me doing that semi swerve cellphone action" "behind me they are closing me in". As I pointed out, it all seems like a normal day in Colorado. Now when you describe it a second time, the car in front of you is going lane to lane and the cars behind you are literally 3' off your bumper. Lane to lane or line to line, however you described it, is not a "semi weave". The lanes on the interstate are 12'6", so that's a full-on weave if they're going from center line to shoulder. Instead, you use the minimizing word "semi" to describe it.

When you're talking about the cars behind you, you say they're closing you in at first. Then the second time you describe it, you're saying that they're literally "3 ft behind me riding my ass like a fucking horse". There's a huge difference between someone who is closing me in and someone who is right on top of me. I find it hard to believe they were anywhere close to you. Why? Because if they were as close to you as you described, you would have said so during your first post where you were trying to defend your actions. Pointing out that someone posed a clear and present threat makes your actions more understandable. Instead, you initially simply described them as "closing you in". If someone is right on my ass, the very first time I describe their actions, I'm saying they're RIGHT ON MY ASS!!! I'm not saying, "They were closing me in". Human nature tends to paint ourselves in the best possible light and when we try to defend actions or response to a certain situation, we try to maximize others' actions that caused us to react a certain way and minimize our own actions during the event. In this case, you don't maximize their actions (weaving, following too closely, etc.) until the second time you describe it! If it really happened the way you described it in your response to me, you would've described it that way the first time.

As to your Daddy's teachings: I don't care how much time, training, or experience your daddy has when the subject is you. Your dad may be or may have been a helluva rider, but for all I know, he could have been a terrible teacher. Frankly, I don't know. There are plenty of people who know astral physics and can't teach a math class to first-graders, and there are plenty of guys who can ride their asses off but couldn't teach someone how to even throw a leg over the bike. You describing your father's experience doesn't mean crap when it comes to YOUR experience. That's like me saying, "Hey, Valentino Rossi is my best friend!" He's arguably the best rider in the world, but that doesn't mean I know how to ride worth a damn. You want to beat your chest about his 41 years of experience and your 12 years of this and 19 years of that? It doesn't impress anyone on here and it doesn't come anywhere close to telling us about your abilities! Like I've already said, I know people who say they have 15-years of experience, but all that means is they've ridden for 15 years. When you look at the time they've spent in the saddle, you would find that they log as many miles in one year as some people clock on a weekend! They talk about their years, but in reality, they're as experienced as most rookie riders. If they had said they logged 15K miles last year, that would quantify their experience. If they'd said they took an MSF rider course or went through Levels I and II of Keith Code's school, that would give an idea as to their abilities. Instead, all you said was "I've got 12 years of this and 19 years of that and my daddy has 41 years" Each of us on here has probably ridden with someone who has described their experience the same way you did, but when it comes time to ride, they can't ride very well at all. All your bragging about your years of crash-free and ticket-free riding is an attempt to make yourself a better rider than you really are. It's no different than the guy that gets stopped for speeding and the his argument isn't that he wasn't speeding, it's that he hasn't gotten a ticket in twenty years. As every single person on here will tell you, and you would probably admit it too (not to me, but probably to yourself), just because you've had ten years of ticket-free riding doesn't make you a good or even a safe rider. It simply means you haven't been caught or ticketed. The average drunk driver has driven intoxicated at least ten times before they get their first DUI. Now think about how many times you've sped and never been caught. Want to rethink your "my 12 years of blah blah blah experience" line again?

FZRguy, to answer your question, yes, I'm a ten year cop. I've been a motor officer in the past, but I always make it a point to be a little more lenient to fellow riders, as long as they were cooperative and courteous. Since I ride, I understand the challenges and dangers we face, which is why I could understand someone not wanting to get boxed in. The main issue I have, aside from everything I've described, is the whole "fucking law up my ass, fucking cops enforce blah blah blah, I wasn't the fastest one on the highway" bullshit. People carry this attitude with them and they wonder why they get tickets all the time... but it's always the cop's fault.

So, with that all said, flame away.

DOOD... congratulations... you are a cop... you are just like a cop... you win, cop, because you cops always win... can't argue with a cop because the cops are infallible, can't beat a cop because they are members of the biggest gang out there... once again, officer, congratulations

you're right, i'm wrong...
you're handsome, i'm ugly...
you're smart, i'm stupid...
you smell good, i stink...
your bike is nice, mine sucks...
your odometer reads 9 million, mine only 12...
you win every race, i don't even race...
you know everything, i can't even read

Nick_Ninja
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 08:18 AM
my ultimate goal, which now won't be met because I'm voicing it, is to see if even police officers believe in what they do. And if not, then why do they play a role? When the hell do we stand up for ourselves?

It's kinda funny, at my job I ran into a similar situation. We were having problems with one of the co-owners that was basically bringing the company down. Everyone knew it. Everyone hated coming to work because of this person. Even the other owners knew they had to do something. I asked a manager why he didn't stand up for himself and make a difference. And why we didn't do the same. And I received the same answer you said, "it's not going to change a thing".

Well, thankfully they did something about it but that's besides the point. The idea from all this is that we at a very basic level stop giving a shit about our lives. And now all we do is complain. We blame! We make matters worse because we insist on making matters worse because we're anger. And, we want (in this case) police to know it.

It's insanity. By definition.

This in today's paper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Boulder, Colorado I know. Liberal bastion of immoral communists ---- but I cannot help but believe that this is more of a majority opinion about fucking cops and not tied to geographical location:

What about
actual crime?
Today I observed three sheriff police cars and five police officers watching one stop sign at the fork of Lefthand Canyon and James Canyon. My neighborhood has had two robberies in a two year period. I requested more of a police presence but was told that the county doesn't have the personnel to be patrolling my rural neighborhood.
Apparently they do have the personnel to catch some poor biker who failed to come to a complete stop and put his foot down, a misdemeanor versus a potential robbery, a felony. This is all because a few lazy drivers can't expend the energy to move their foot from the gas to the brake or the patience to wait for an opportune time to pass a few outlaw bikers.
Their are plenty of jerks on both sides of the argument but where are our priorities when so much of the county's energies are expended watching stop sign offenders. I would venture to say that if the police watched any stop sign in the county they could pull over violators.
Why, just because some whining car drivers are too lazy or impatient to slow down does the county have to expend so much man power?
I want those three cars and five officers in my neighborhood protecting me not spending the day sitting, waiting for the next stop sign violator. My tax dollars are being wasted with these misplaced priorities.
JEFF DREYFUSS

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 10:16 AM
The main idea I gather from you CaneZach is that the system is built to handle situations as they occur. The police have or want the motivation to get out and do some real work but, it's always controlled and decided for them. I guess this is quiet common. This is life. We grow up expecting to change the world. Make a difference. We realize that we only become part of a much greater slotter. We all follow. The leaders make examples and we react with fear. They tell us we are in a better place because of their protection. Most is true. I'm not saying what you do as a police officer is futile. I would be ignorant to have skipped over those paragraphs of your own writing that describe your valor. Nevertheless, the approach is wrong. Countless examples of police saying what they do makes streets safe, to me, sounds like someone elses words.

This problem is not simply because people are mad at getting tickets and want to speed. It's because people vote others in office and put them in power to make decisions that are sound and helpful. Instead, we get mis-treated. Taken advantage of. And worse of all, we never learn our lesson. Police walk the beat every day, do they see change in what they do? Can they, you, feel and say you made a difference today? If the system is broken, if the system is do only after it is done to us. Then why participate? Because we are taught to watch out for our own. Our families. Me first. Then, you. But, wait. This is the very reason why most of us keep our boring dead end jobs. This is why we never excel (not microsoft excel, just kidding).

I appreciate your honesty and your throughness. You spent a great deal of time writing to us. But, I feel because of all that detail you provided we could easily get lost in how hard of a job you have. Rather, I think we should focus on the fact that things aren't working and we should be more focused on how we can fix them.


Your description of your job sounds very much like the one we all have to deal with. Of course, there are huge differences that we can barely relate too. If you struggle (your commanding officers) at protection us, then how can they report drops in crime or drugs? How can they play the media and ultimately us? If the system is designed to only catch people after, then we have already lost. Yes, I know. There is a big difference between patrolling the streets for would be thieves and drug lords. But when will this change?

When will the broken system fix to teach a new born that crime is bad. Drugs have mostly negative affects on peoples lives and those they love. Being dishonest is not acceptable. We currently have no such system. Our public schools are failling and are being over run with drugs and sex and crime. We now have police officers that stand guard at middle schools. Probably even elementry schools.


Anyways, the problem is much great than us simply wanting the speed limit increased or forgotten. Just give us some breathing room. We are quiet capable at making sound decisions at whether our speed is beyond our control. If we are only putting ourselves in danger and if we have the necessary insurance to cover damages incurred from accidents then so be it. You are not protecting us against others or ourselves. You are incurring a rage deep inside the minds of youth.

We have little outlet to release our daily pressures (don't make jokes).

Both sides are trying to do their best but one is failing the hearts and minds of the greater population.

Wintermute
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 10:26 AM
Like lawyers, everybody hates the police.

Until they need them...then they can't get there quick enough.

LiQuIdAiR=OTB=
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 10:30 AM
Like lawyers, everybody hates the police.

Until they need them...then they can't get there quick enough.


They serve a purpose. Of course. Their reason for being is not at stake here. It's their focus.

Nick_Ninja
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 10:39 AM
They don't serve a purpose -- they fill a void. Their misdirected focus is reason enough to justify budgetary cuts in their 'being'. And not only are youthful minds being incensed and infuriated with rage due to their indiscriminate actions --- this old fart can't wait until the ax falls on the CSP and other municipality LEA budgets.


They serve a purpose. Of course. Their reason for being is not at stake here. It's their focus.

highpsi03
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 02:44 PM
DOOD... congratulations... you are a cop... you are just like a cop... you win, cop, because you cops always win... can't argue with a cop because the cops are infallible, can't beat a cop because they are members of the biggest gang out there... once again, officer, congratulations

you're right, i'm wrong...
you're handsome, i'm ugly...
you're smart, i'm stupid...
you smell good, i stink...
your bike is nice, mine sucks...
your odometer reads 9 million, mine only 12...
you win every race, i don't even race...
you know everything, i can't even read
Basically you lose because you are typing and acting like a douchebag. He actually made a lot of sense in his post, cop or no cop, he made alot of sense. You on the other hand? Nah.

whitebrad
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 02:53 PM
well, i could go through it all line by line, but that would imply i give a fuck anymore...

i have learned not to debate people on forums... how can i debate when my counterpart knows what i mean more than i do?

i lose!:(

thanks though!

a douche even!

Wintermute
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 03:50 PM
EZ yall. We're all friends here, even if we get on each other's nerves from time to time.

whitebrad
Wed Jul 1st, 2009, 03:53 PM
nah, man, it's cool... i'm not even tripping...
i learned a great lesson...


man, i am tired of this 1/4" chicken strip! gotta get some pants with some pucks... stupid limited resources...