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Cars-R-Coffins
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 04:10 AM
24-20-202 Permit To Bear Arms

If the governor at any time issues his proclamation as provided in section 24-20-201 declaring the state or any county, city, town, or district within the state to be in a state of riot, or insurrection, or invasion, it is unlawful while said proclamation is in force for any person, firm, or corporation within the territory covered by said proclamation to purchase, manufacture for sale or use, receive, transport, carry, or use any firearm or ammunition or to sell, give away, or otherwise dispose of or permit others to obtain possession of any firearm or ammunition without a written permit from the governor or his regularly authorized representative. No permit shall be issued by the governor or his representative unless and until the person so desiring such permit satisfies the governor or his representative that the same is to be used in defense of his home, person, or property.

So when you may need a gun the most, it's illegal to use it?! :banghead:

Bebop
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 06:56 AM
The way I see this is saying that the governor has the right to take away your permit to CCW because remember you have to ask to get it therefore it is a privilege and not a right. I say to hell with anyone that would want to take away my right to protect myself especially in times when you may need it the most. If he/she were to sign something like that into act I would not vote for him/her the next time they were up for re-election. Besides if it's concealed no one knows it is there.

It has been said many times but "It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

rforsythe
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 07:12 AM
If there are bonafide riots/insurrections/invasions in the streets someday, I'm not gonna care about what that says. I highly doubt the cops are going to have the time to care about what I do either.

Besides...
- Riots: Citizens fucking each other up. Self defense is a foregone conclusion.
- Insurrections: Citizens fucking the government up. This will lead to riots.
- Invasions: Governments fucking governments up. Umm, this one's a long shot, but if some army invades the US, I'd imagine our well-armed populace is going to be a good thing. Our standing army is far from the last thing an invading force should be afraid of.

So, yeah you read it right, but it's not going to matter. ;)

Fly boy
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 09:34 AM
And you people think that WY is good for nothing..... My CCW was $79 and 4 weeks waiting.



Oh, and I can carry in CO.

rforsythe
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 10:20 AM
We can get CCW's quite easily in CO as well. ;)

rybo
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 10:26 AM
Yeah,

I did CCW class a couple years ago. Class was $100, permit was $25 and I only waited about a week for it to show up in the mail

dragos13
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Yeah I took the class earlier in the year up at Gander Mountain. Took about 2 months for the permit to come in, however they said that was due to a recent increase in applications. Needless to say, I was happy to wait!

PROFLYER
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 10:57 AM
That's an unenforceable statute that contradicts the U.S. Constitution.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That's all it says, easy to read and understand. They can make all the laws they want at the state level, but a well regulated militia and the right of the people to protect their rights superceedes any state law. The Governor could, however, say that all CCW permits are now null and void, but good luck enforcing it during a time of crisis.


FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS

rforsythe
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 11:11 AM
That's an unenforceable statute that contradicts the U.S. Constitution.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That's all it says, easy to read and understand. They can make all the laws they want at the state level, but a well regulated militia and the right of the people to protect their rights superceedes any state law. The Governor could, however, say that all CCW permits are now null and void, but good luck enforcing it during a time of crisis.


FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS

So on that logic, something like the Brady Bill should not stand up in the Supreme Court if challenged, as it would then be unconstitutional, right? "Shall not be infringed" seems pretty cut and dry to me.

PROFLYER
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 11:13 AM
So on that logic, something like the Brady Bill should not stand up in the Supreme Court if challenged, as it would then be unconstitutional, right? "Shall not be infringed" seems pretty cut and dry to me.

correct, but the 'well regulated militia' is part of that. If you're a felon you can't have a gun etc. It's intended for law abiding citizens, just as the CCW. The governor would have an impossible time infringing on the rights of people who don't break the law.

rforsythe
Tue Oct 28th, 2008, 11:18 AM
My point is that a non-felon should be able to then buy any weapon (assault rifle or not) that they choose. Yet the bill which was in effect curtailed those rights.

Was it ever challenged in the USSC, and if so how was it legitimately upheld?