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King Nothing
Fri Dec 26th, 2008, 02:37 PM
:roll:

I would beg to differ.

We're always the "bad guys." I would beg to differ.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5397901.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5397901.ece)

Taleban threaten to blow up girls’ schools if they refuse to close

Zahid Hussain in Islamabad

The Taleban have ordered the closure of all girls’ schools in the war-ravaged Swat district and warned parents and teachers of dire consequences if the ban is flouted.
In an announcement made in mosques and broadcast on radio, the militant group set a deadline of January 15 for its order to be obeyed or it would blow up school buildings and attack schoolgirls. It also told women not to set foot outside their homes without being fully covered.
“Female education is against Islamic teachings and spreads vulgarity in society,” Shah Dauran, leader of a group that has established control over a large part of Swat district in the North West Frontier Province, declared this week.
Teachers said that they had little choice but to comply. The Taleban have destroyed more than 125 girls’ schools in the area in the past year. Swat, once a relatively liberal area and a popular tourist destination, has in the past few years become a heartland for Pakistan’s Islamic militancy, which fashions itself on the conservative Taleban movement in Afghanistan.
Islamic militants led by the radical cleric Maulana Fazlullah have been fighting government forces since Pakistan launched a massive operation in the district late last year. More than 200 government soldiers have been killed but the militants are still well entrenched in the area.
Mullah Fazlullah – also known as Mullah Radio for his sermons broadcast through his illegal FM radio stations – has long been exhorting people to stop sending their daughters to schools, which “inculcate Western values”. Hundreds of girls and women teachers have quit schools as a result.
The militants have also prohibited immunisation for children against polio – claiming that the UN-sponsored vaccination drive is aimed at causing sexual impotence – causing a sharp rise in cases of the disease.
Since the start of the government offensive, girls’ schools have been targeted increasingly by Islamic fundamentalists. The district has 842 boys’ and 490 girls’ state schools for 300,000 children aged 3 to 9; only 163,645 boys and 67,606 girls are actually enrolled at state and private establishments, according to official figures.
According to the local authorities, 50 per cent of girls have stopped attending school because of the militants’ threats. Hazir Gul, a teacher, said that the inability of the authorities to provide protection against attacks had emboldened the Islamists. “Militants can burn the remaining schools whenever they want,” he said. In some areas state school buildings have been turned into madrassas, or religious seminaries.
Attacks on girls’ schools are not confined to the Swat district. In the past two years another 100 schools have been burnt down in Waziristan and other tribal areas, leaving tens of thousands of children between the ages of 5 and 15 with no access to education.
In many areas hardliners have established Sharia, or Islamic law, setting up their own courts and introducing public executions for those who break it. This month militants killed a pro-government cleric and hung his body up in Mingora, the main town of Swat, in full view of the Pakistani military and the local administration.
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A Royal Marine was killed in southern Afghanistan on Christmas Eve, the Ministry of Defence said. The serviceman, from 42 Commando, died from enemy fire while on a mission in the Nad e-Ali district, near Lashkar Gah, in Helmand province. Commander Paula Rowe said: “The death of this Royal Marine is a tragic loss.” __________________

madvlad
Fri Dec 26th, 2008, 07:37 PM
wow I have never understood that whole deal about "Women being weak and unheard deal".... I think it's stupid, there are women out there that can kick ass and make a difference and why should they be treated in a way that's different?.... Damn Taliban are stupid and old fashioned..... Hopefully someday in the future those poor women will be heard and will be able to make decisions on their own and be able to write their own life.

DavidofColorado
Sat Dec 27th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Palin 2012!

CYCLE_MONKEY
Sun Dec 28th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Pathetic, but I can't say I'm surprised.......

Captain Obvious
Sun Dec 28th, 2008, 11:31 AM
Its funny, while not all of Islam is extreme or so far off of a worldwide norm, it seems that the extremists really do make the whole lot of them suspect. Seems to me there are enough (head count wise) and they are so extreme that the "non-extremists" really should be more outspoken.

Captain Obvious
Sun Dec 28th, 2008, 11:33 AM
Palin 2012!


Now lets not get silly. Just because she can read magazines to learn about the world doesn't mean she has the perspective to be president!!! If you just want to piss people off......

Billary 2012!

CYCLE_MONKEY
Sun Dec 28th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Its funny, while not all of Islam is extreme or so far off of a worldwide norm, it seems that the extremists really do make the whole lot of them suspect. Seems to me there are enough (head count wise) and they are so extreme that the "non-extremists" really should be more outspoken.
+1000

I don't know whether the progressive muslims are truly sympathetic with the extremist's views, or are simply too afraid to grow a sack and eliminate them themselves. I have a very intelligent and educated muslim friend at work who is very moderate: drinks beer, eats pork, is immersed in Western culture and has an educated wife. If he went back to iran (where he's from), they'd probably cut his head off if they knew these things. Yet, in discussions with him, he will not condemn suicide bombings, saying we can't understand the life of the palestinians, etc. I told him bombing like that and targeting innicents is abhorrent regardless of any other factors. Period. So, I think there is a lot of sympathy for the extremists, and that's truly pathetic.

Speaking of this subject:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081228/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan

Yep, these people must feel like real men, deliberately killing children and all, for their fucking cause.

Captain Obvious
Sun Dec 28th, 2008, 12:03 PM
In my mind, several quotes that apply.

Silence gives consent.
Oliver Goldsmith

Silence is a text easy to misread.
A. A. Attanasio

Oppression can only survive through silence.
Carmen de Monteflores


While I don't agree with everything that has transpired due to US foreign policy over the last years (think further back that the current whipping boy, but he is included), at least there is always a vocal component objecting to the policies. Both at home by Americans and be persons who are not our enemies, just people who disagree. It is clear that we don't all agree.

These Islamic words and actions are the type of behaviors that could/can/do lead to small military actions and then continued religious wars on a larger scale. IMO.

DavidofColorado
Sun Dec 28th, 2008, 01:07 PM
Now lets not get silly. Just because she can read magazines to learn about the world doesn't mean she has the perspective to be president!!! If you just want to piss people off......

Billary 2012!
I just wanted to piss off Muslims thinking women can't be more than child making machines. But billary is just going to piss off the world.
She'll show up to sign a bill and walk out before signing anything. And then complain about the law not getting passed.

Captain Obvious
Sun Dec 28th, 2008, 01:28 PM
I just wanted to piss off Muslims thinking women can't be more than child making machines. But billary is just going to piss off the world.
She'll show up to sign a bill and walk out before signing anything. And then complain about the law not getting passed.

:) I figured, by why not just use a larger broad brush and get a couple freebees. I would be sad if it was Palin 2012. I would be pissed with Billary.