backing it in?

[chad23]

So when a rider backs it in, is caused from him downshifting or is there more than that? Is a motard and sportbike done in the same manner? And last but least what is the benefit of backing it in?

example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8dMRtxjoN0&feature=PlayList&p=BD9C5530D286C029&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

[Zach929rr]

IIR its a subtle combination of rear, front, and throttle.

Anywho it's used to help scrub speed for an upcoming corner (as seen in vid)

[SamuraiX]

Usually there's some back brake involved, if its planned.
A motard is much easier to put in and out of a slide because of the light weight,
suspension and near dirt track riding position. But the principle would be the same.

The benefit is carrying more speed into and through the corner.

[Zach929rr]

I stand corrected then. :lol:

[Sortarican]

Just check my sig pic,....Oh yeah, backin' it in!
(Poorly)

[SamuraiX]

Another nice video - 1stPPOV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsGhFcdZqt8&feature=related

[InlineSIX24]

Marco Melandri appears to have it down also. I would be busy trying not to die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AGqPlgsGck

[InlineSIX24]

Another nice video - 1stPPOV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsGhFcdZqt8&feature=related


Damn. Had there been a bicyclist around the corner on that last right bank he would have been done.

[chad23]

Just check my sig pic,....Oh yeah, backin' it in!
(Poorly)
poorly or not what causes it or better yet what were you doing to start it. Were you hot on the breaks then hard on the throttle.
I need answer mister:)

[chad23]

Marco Melandri appears to have it down also. I would be busy trying not to die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AGqPlgsGck
and to boot that little bastard did it one handed. holly shit!!!

[Bueller]

So when a rider backs it in, is caused from him downshifting or is there more than that? Is a motard and sportbike done in the same manner? And last but least what is the benefit of backing it in?

example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8dMRtxjoN0&feature=PlayList&p=BD9C5530D286C029&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
That is all show, there is no reason to back it in through the top part, he is just having fun. Probably slower way through that part.
It allows you to brake later and set up for the corner, way more efective in tighter corners. It is mostly front brake to lighten the rear, engine braking along with some back brake assist will slow your rear wheel but not lock it. Slipper clutch takes the clutch feathering out of the process.

[Wintermute]

This Rossi guy seems to have it down (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=42522696). (It's a ways into the vid before he gets around to discussing it.)

Like Bueller said, Rossi only uses it in tight corners to set up for the exit.

[eklew]

This Rossi guy seems to have it down (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=42522696). (It's a ways into the vid before he gets around to discussing it.)

Like Bueller said, Rossi only uses it in tight corners to set up for the exit.

Off topic but you wouldn't happen to be the Wintermute from BARF?

[Wintermute]

Nope, not I.

Wintermute is from this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer). Someday they'll make a movie of the greatest cyberpunk book evah. Except, of course, Ewe Boll will probably direct it. Actually, the asshole who did "Torque" is slated to do it.

[Filo]

Bueller put it best. If you would like to learn this technique yourself without killing yourself, try American Supercamp ( www.americansupercamp.com ). It is lots of fun and you get to crash someone else's bike over and over and over again. And no, I am not affiliated nor sponsored by them.

[Wintermute]

Thanks Filo. There was a guy at the office raving about this crazy riding course he took that used dirt bikes with knobbies on the front and street tires on the rear, but I didn't catch the name. That's it.

The California Superbike School uses a "slide bike (http://www.superbikeschool.com/machinery/slide-bike.php)" to teach the technique:
http://www.superbikeschool.com/images/Slide-Bike-4th-edition.jpg

[GNGSXR]

its used to square off a corner like a tight corner.
mostly for show though.
its a waste of power and a waste of rubber on your tire.

if i could do it though i would be backing it in on every damn corner i possibly could on my bike lol

[MattTLS]

its used to square off a corner like a tight corner.
mostly for show though.
its a waste of power and a waste of rubber on your tire.

if i could do it though i would be backing it in on every damn corner i possibly could on my bike lol

There's two sides to the idea that it's hard on tires. Gary McCoy's riding style shows extremely 'loose' riding. Even though the tires would be smokin', there was little actual wear because it was simply the outer surface being worn off, rather than high loading of the tire when more 'stick' was employed. If I remember correctly, his tire temps were lower when he slid all over the place as compared to when he didn't.

[brennahm]

I recall the same review. Tire wes under extreme use are actually harmed more from extremely high deformation instead of wear from abrasion. Those guys that use a whole set of tires in one race put so much load on the tires in the corners that the carcass builds up MASSIVE amounts of heat. Then, when too much heat finds it's way in, the rubber outer compounds tend to break down and ulitmately the tire will start "chunking." If you're good enough to replace some of this loading coming into a turn with some sliding, then the gains you receive from lower heat buildup FAR outweigh the loss of some outer rubber to smoke.

Seemed kinda counterintuitive but hey, look at the problems they had at Daytona with heat buildup...

[Cars-R-Coffins]

Gary McCoy and spinning tires...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGIPmTLSxGI

[Bueller]

It's supermoto



http://www.supermotoracer.com/SMR%20Tech%20stories/iss2_backitin.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7fn1XndE3o