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firefghtr
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 07:20 AM
i was going to race this year and try out for mike applegates adopt a racer program but he wants 1000 to join... wich may be pretty good but also pretty steep.. i also just bought this bike so i don't feel like recin the first summer i have it.. so maybe next year :cry:

Ray-Ray
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 07:41 AM
$1000????? What is that for?? That's crazy!

Kim-n-Dean
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 07:45 AM
i was going to race this year and try out for mike applegates adopt a racer program but he wants 1000 to join... :cry:

Sounds like you would be adopting them...

Mista Black
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 08:05 AM
if you wanna pay the $1000 i'll happily race your bike for ya. agreed!! i'd find out what the $1000 is for before dropping it.

Anonymous
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 08:09 AM
Well now I'm curious. I've heard of high-level club racers dropping coin to get a shot at the pros like that, but c'mon - this is entry level club stuff here. Most novices can barely afford case covers and a canopy to pit under, let alone a grand up front. How are they making it worthwhile?

BigE
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 08:24 AM
I checked into that also. It's basically (to me) that they give you some private race lessons, you get to pit with them, a new paint job for your bike and advice/ access to help at the races. And maybe a discount on parts from Morse but I don't remember for sure on that.
You have to commit to going to all the races and have a new(er) bike.
Since I cannot afford going to all the races (not to mention the grand for the deal) and have a 10yr old race bike I didn't think we were ment for each other :lol:

But I guess if you figure the $ for a paint job and what private lessons cost it may be a good deal for the right person :|

BlueDevil
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 08:57 AM
U dont need anyone at the club level that bad. Hell U can follow good racers around the track for free. Lost of lessons go for 150 or less. Shoot hit up Mark with Vanmar if U want some one on one. I think his lessions are about that and most people have great things to say about it.



Ill adopt ya for 500.00 :lol:

Lel
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 09:40 AM
I heard that mark schellinger is not doing lessons anymore this year, just for a couple people if that, anyone hear different?

lel

Anonymous
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 09:41 AM
He's cutting way back. He'll still do them, but he won't just be at the track one or two days a week now. You'll need to set up an appointment with him for it.

ebazyl
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 10:09 AM
Me, Hoopty and Spiderman will also adopt racers. There will be no financial fees, :guinness: . However we will offer lessons in the following:
1. covering oil leaks with silicone
2. road-rashing tanks
3. becoming a human speed-bump
4. trail braking on cold tires
5. "Finish that beer! it is already second call"
6. and my personal favorite of crashing at every track in Colorado in 2004 (CDR is not a track)

Hoopty
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 10:19 AM
:pointlaugh:

Wait a minute. :oops:

Mista Black
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 11:28 AM
hmmm i wonder which of those 6 you'd be the specialist on Hoop?? :? :lol:

Lel
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Me, Hoopty and Spiderman will also adopt racers. There will be no financial fees, :guinness: . However we will offer lessons in the following:
1. covering oil leaks with silicone
2. road-rashing tanks
3. becoming a human speed-bump
4. trail braking on cold tires
5. "Finish that beer! it is already second call"
6. and my personal favorite of crashing at every track in Colorado in 2004 (CDR is not a track)

haha thats like the 'cover' of the magazine, the major articles; open up and you find a lot more articles inside that gene can teach :) LOL... but gotta admit a couple that are worth learning

Hoopty
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 12:12 PM
2, 4, and 6. :oops:

Anonymous
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 01:08 PM
My major was in #3, with a minor in #2. :lol: :oops: :lol:

Mista Black
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 01:13 PM
:pointlaugh: LOL HAHAHA

ebazyl
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Just 1,2,6. :banghead:
6...Sucked :cussing:

Bueller
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 04:35 PM
I checked into this also, my inability to commit to all races and the age of my bike also precludes me. :( And $1k doesn't quite seem like an adoption either :lol:


APPLEGATE BROS. RACING “ADOPT-A-RACER” PROGRAM

COST: $1000.00

WHAT YOU GET:

ON RACE WEEKENDS:

ONE ON ONE INSTRUCTION
PIT SPACE SAT. AND SUN.
USE OF TOOLS AND PIT EQUIPMENT.
HELP WITH BIKE SET UP FOR SUNDAY.

ON OPEN PRACTICE DAYS:

ON TRACK INSTRUCTION.
TRACK MAPPING.
SPEED FUNDAMENTALS.
HELP WITH BIKE SETUP.

EQUIPMENT:

SELECTED RIDER WILL RECEIVE A PROFESSIONAL PAINT JOB ON RACEBIKE, SIMILAR TO APPLEGATE BROS RACING TEAM COLORS.
(MUST BE NEW OR LIKE NEW BODYWORK.)
RIDER WILL RECEIVE A PROFESSIONAL RACE RESUME, TO SEND TO POTENTIAL SPONSORS, BASED ON RESULTS AND PROGRESS OF THE ’05 SEASON.
RIDER WILL RECEIVE A RACING JOURNAL TO TRACK THE ’05 SEASON.

CANADATE REQUIREMENTS:

MUST HAVE A LATE MODEL RACEBIKE & GEAR
RIDER MUST COMMIT TO ALL TEN MRA RACE EVENTS.
BIKE MUST BE KEPT CLEAN AND IN EXCELLENT CONDITION.
RIDER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN TRANSPORTATION
TO AND FROM RACE EVENTS.
MUST SIGN A RELEASE AND HOLD HARMLESS FORM.
FINALIST TO BE SELECTED BY APPLEGATE BROS. RACING.

GOALS:

TAKE A RELATIVELY NEW ROAD RACER AND CLIMATIZE THEM TO RACING AT A HIGHER LEVEL. GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE COMPONENTS THERIN.
PROVIDE ONGOING INSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT THE RACE SEASON.

nileator01
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 04:59 PM
Hmm, well I guess somebody may think this service would be helpful.

Most of what they are offering is available to anyone willing to ask for it.
Pit space is free.
Advise from expert riders is free and most riders are very willing to guide people on and off the track.

Use of tools and equipment could be nice, but I have never had a problem lending anything to other racers or borrowing something from another racer.

Bike set up could be very helpful, I still need all the help I can get with that one.

I get the feeling the most your gonna get for it is a paint job and some advise, oh and a resume.

So if you are in need of these things and are not eligable to join this due to lack of $1000 or they don't want you, feel free to pit next to me, ask me for advise and tools and whatever, and I won't charge you anything. But be forewarned, I don't know what I'm doing! :lol:

Deuce
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 05:47 PM
Well for a guy who's super new to the sport and doesn't know many people, starting racing can be super intimidating since you don't know your head from your asshole regarding even the simplest of things like pre registration, tech, and the rest of the basic stuff the rest of us take for granted. Hell I remember my first race day and I was so nervous about the most minor stuff I was ready to puke.. For a guy like that a grand would be money damn well spent. For the rest of us though it seems pretty steep. But thats only because we have a somewhat basic grasp on where to go and what to do. And if there is a question we don't know we know the right person to ask. In my case it was Alex, mechanic Dave and Bryce that first day.

So for the right person a grand is cheap to not feel like a moron and have a little peace of mind so all you have to worry about is actually getting there and riding.


Deuce

firefghtr
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 06:55 PM
THANKS FOR ALL THE ADVICE GUYS AND GALS

Bueller
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 07:05 PM
From what I gathered they were looking for someone with a little previous experiance and possibly some good showings. As stated they were looking to take the racer to the next level. Mike said they would be making "their choice" in March. Sounds to me that it is a program for someone who is totaly commited to doing well and would be a great boost. With the cost of racing $1k is not that much if you are going for it.

firefghtr
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 07:06 PM
no he didnt care what my race level is, hes seen me ride and that was good enough

Polar X
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Well as a newbie here, take this with a grain of salt.

This is no different than what they do in my field of work, its called BUYING a job. You pay them to get YOU the experience that someone else with contacts gets for free. It ain't good or bad, just how things go for those you don't have any contacts or just more money than patience.

From the sounds of this board, you guys are more than willing to help a newbie and I for will greatly appreciate any and all help, advise and whatever else you throw this way :P .

Devil954
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 08:07 PM
Just like Dion said you have the opportunity to follow good riders ask them for advice ask them to take you out in practice sessions to show you lines or whatever . All the information and help is there and it doesnt cost an extra 1000 to get it . There are also rider reps on hand at every race who are always more than willing to help anyone out , I thought those guys were really stepping up to do something cool for somebody but 1000 seems a little steep considering all of the free help that is available through the MRA's members :dunno:

Anonymous
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 08:23 PM
I thought those guys were really stepping up to do something cool for somebodyMe too :|

But, it's all relative: considering that one rider last year spent $2000 just on private lessons with Marty Simms, the $1000 that they're asking, for all it includes, sounds like a good deal for a novice racer that is committed and wants to do well.

My best advice to a brand new novice racer - find an experienced racer who's willing to help you out(novice or expert, it doesn't really matter) and try and pit near (next to or across from) them for the first race. You can follow them around to find out what needs to be done. It's not that hard once you've done it once.

Devil954
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 08:56 PM
thats my point exactly correct me if I am wrong but people spend all of this money to no avail . they think it is gonna make them blinding fast but it dont , or does it ? I think it helps with things like body position and methods for braking , things like that but just going out and getting practice with good riders will give you that , I was watching Petiford doing a class and was talking with him he claimed that his student after one week of classes was gonna win his first Novice O. race .Well he did terrible so was all of that money wasted . I am sure the guy learned alot but it sure as hell didnt make him fast a couple thousand dollars later . Maybe when he gets fast all of those classes will come into play I dont know . Man I must be bored :lol:

Anonymous
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 08:58 PM
Instruction helps because you start practicing good things, instead of reinforcing mistakes. So I do see the value. Good instruction is every bit as valuable as a suspension upgrade, if the rider takes it in completely. However bad instruction will do bad things... so ask around before you buy.

Anonymous
Fri Feb 25th, 2005, 09:49 PM
thats my point exactly correct me if I am wrong but people spend all of this money to no avail . they think it is gonna make them blinding fast but it dont , or does it ? I think it helps with things like body position and methods for braking , things like that but just going out and getting practice with good riders will give you that , I was watching Petiford doing a class and was talking with him he claimed that his student after one week of classes was gonna win his first Novice O. race .Well he did terrible so was all of that money wasted . I am sure the guy learned alot but it sure as hell didnt make him fast a couple thousand dollars later . Maybe when he gets fast all of those classes will come into play I dont know . Man I must be bored :lol:
In this particular case, the guy did get pretty damn fast & started winning races - almost won the NGTO championship.

Deuce
Mon Feb 28th, 2005, 06:27 PM
thats my point exactly correct me if I am wrong but people spend all of this money to no avail . they think it is gonna make them blinding fast but it dont , or does it ? I think it helps with things like body position and methods for braking , things like that but just going out and getting practice with good riders will give you that , I was watching Petiford doing a class and was talking with him he claimed that his student after one week of classes was gonna win his first Novice O. race .Well he did terrible so was all of that money wasted . I am sure the guy learned alot but it sure as hell didnt make him fast a couple thousand dollars later . Maybe when he gets fast all of those classes will come into play I dont know . Man I must be bored :lol:
In this particular case, the guy did get pretty damn fast & started winning races - almost won the NGTO championship.

He's talkin about somebody else Bob. The guy he's talkin about was riding one of Pettifords spare ducs. I remember Ed tellin me who the guy was and if I remember right we lapped him in STO.

However I think good instruction is worth every penny. I got a few hours with Shellinger and my lap times dropped over a second the next weekend. Some guys do even better than that. I remember Mike Vigils teammate (Dave and I cant remember his last name for shit) got blazingly fast all of a sudden and through the grape vine I heard it was because he got some really good help from somebody. If I remember right he was running 9's or 10's at SCR and I think we were about the same speed just weeks before. It's all just what I heard but it's gotta be something because he sucked the paint off my bike a couple of races.


Deuce

voncon
Mon Feb 28th, 2005, 07:28 PM
I know I tend to over romance the sport a bit. I remember when it was FUN to go to the track and push yourself, bench race, and tease each other about the next event. Now I go to track days and novices have enclosed trailers --- motorhomes at a regional event? Personally, I think lessons from a "pro" are invaluable to a newbie... it lends a much needed confidence to do well. I find the lessons from Freddie, Keith Code and Schwantz fascinating --- conversely, I am really confused by guys with a white plate in the MRA thinking their "help" at an MRA event is WORTH MONEY. COuld it be that the fun is dwindling while the motorhome parking area is growing?

Whatever happened to pick-up trucks, EZ-ups, and coolers of beer? Just have fun.

Kurt

Devil954
Mon Feb 28th, 2005, 07:40 PM
I know I tend to over romance the sport a bit. I remember when it was FUN to go to the track and push yourself, bench race, and tease each other about the next event. Now I go to track days and novices have enclosed trailers --- motorhomes at a regional event? Personally, I think lessons from a "pro" are invaluable to a newbie... it lends a much needed confidence to do well. I find the lessons from Freddie, Keith Code and Schwantz fascinating --- conversely, I am really confused by guys with a white plate in the MRA thinking their "help" at an MRA event is WORTH MONEY. COuld it be that the fun is dwindling while the motorhome parking area is growing?

Whatever happened to pick-up trucks, EZ-ups, and coolers of beer? Just have fun.

Kurt
I will have to agree . But charging a guy 5 or 6 hundred a day for lessons is hard for me to grasp when you consider Mark only charges 150.00 granted he doesnt lease the track . Pettiford charges something like 500 per day now line him up next to Mark and see what happens :lol:

Dysco
Tue Mar 1st, 2005, 12:03 AM
I know I tend to over romance the sport a bit. I remember when it was FUN to go to the track and push yourself, bench race, and tease each other about the next event. Now I go to track days and novices have enclosed trailers --- motorhomes at a regional event? Personally, I think lessons from a "pro" are invaluable to a newbie... it lends a much needed confidence to do well. I find the lessons from Freddie, Keith Code and Schwantz fascinating --- conversely, I am really confused by guys with a white plate in the MRA thinking their "help" at an MRA event is WORTH MONEY. COuld it be that the fun is dwindling while the motorhome parking area is growing?

Whatever happened to pick-up trucks, EZ-ups, and coolers of beer? Just have fun.

Kurt

Pickup: Check!
EZ-UP: Negative, motard bikes are small and fit in "borrowed corners" of canopies belonging to other racers.
Cooler of beer: Negative, I mooch enough beer to... well, earn an odd reputation. I'll leave it at that.

Motorhomes go a long way to keep expenses down and your rest level up. If you have access to them, they're invaluable. Otherwise, if you work corners AND race, you hotel is covered by the MRA and usually has a hot tub :D

As for getting faster, having fun, bench racing and teasing... I have NO idea what you're talking about. :lol:



********NOTE: Typically it's impossible to cornerwork AND race. You must tread lightly, plan ahead, get up early, trust your homies to take care of your bike(s) and race only when practical. Motard works great for this but it's definitely not for everyone to stand in the sun all day and then go race.********

Anonymous
Tue Mar 1st, 2005, 11:33 AM
I remember Mike Vigils teammate (Dave and I cant remember his last name for shit) got blazingly fast all of a sudden and through the grape vine I heard it was because he got some really good help from somebody. If I remember right he was running 9's or 10's at SCR and I think we were about the same speed just weeks before. It's all just what I heard but it's gotta be something because he sucked the paint off my bike a couple of races.


Deuce
Dave Olcott - we were battling for 1st in Sportsman during the first race weekend last year. Well, I don't know if you'd call it battling - he would pass me down the straight, but I would be in the lead again by the end of turn 1. :D

He did get fast, and in a short period of time! :shock:

Hoopty
Tue Mar 1st, 2005, 11:48 AM
Yeah, he picked up the pace big time last year. :up: I don't think he was running 9's or 10's at SCR, but he did improve a lot over the year. 8)

Anonymous
Tue Mar 1st, 2005, 12:01 PM
He hit a 10 at SCR last year when he won NGTO, but was running 11's for most of the race. He didn't race SCR in that direction (CW) again, and the only other time he did run it CCW, he turned a best time of 1:12.049 in HWSB (he ran consistent 12's with a few 13's near the end).

Now, let's take a look at Pueblo:
Race 1: 1:42.555 (Solo Endurance Heavyweight)
Race 7: 1:37.030 (Solo Endurance Heavyweight)

There's some improvement!

Hoopty
Tue Mar 1st, 2005, 12:27 PM
That bastard!!! :lol: I was so chasing him down that race! :cry: If we had 2 more corners, I might have got him. I was in 3rd and screwed up trying to pass Bruce Baca a few laps before (I passed him going into the RN, but he got me back on the exit). It took me a while to get back past him, and was on Dave's butt when we exited the house turn, but he took me down the straight. I almost a-holed him when he crossed the finish line and took both hands off the bars to celebrate. :shock: :lol: