Obama administration to implode?

[TFOGGuys]

We haven't had a good, contentious political brawl for a couple of days, so here's something to chew on:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/01/kevin-mccullough-obama-implode/

[MVBrutaleRider]

you actually consider fox news as a REAL new source??? hahahaha

- Justin

[Nick_Ninja]

you actually consider fox news as a REAL new source??? hahahaha

- Justin

:spit:

[Shea]

With Obama loaning $10billion in taxpayer money to Brazil to drill for oil (all the while telling how evil oil is) so he can pay off his financial backer (George Soros who is a major investor in the project), one can only hope that this guy falls flat on his face...

http://peakoil.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=50486

[TFOGGuys]

you actually consider fox news as a REAL new source??? hahahaha

- Justin

It's about 6.02*10^23 times as credible as the Boulder Daily Camera.....

[Nick_Ninja]

It's about 6.02*10^23 times as credible as the Boulder Daily Camera.....

Hey! That's the Boulder Daily Scamera sir.

[TFOGGuys]

Hey! That's the Boulder Daily Scamera sir.

I though it was unofficially the "Daily Gamorrah"....

[Nick_Ninja]

I though it was unofficially the "Daily Gamorrah"....

I read it religiously.

[Filo]

Good Lord Jim, you can actually read Fox News and not have an aneurysm? The holier than thou moral outrage tone of the story is enough to give me intestinal hemorrhaging. I suppose if you are looking for entertainment, that is a good forum. At least Mr. McCullough is nice enough to point out it is an opinion piece rather than the normal modus operandi of passing off opinion as news. And just so you know that I am not picking on Fox because it leans to the right, MSNBC is just as guilty.

Try a real news source (for example www.economist.com) - unless you are just trying to be entertained.

[TheStig]

I came home the other day when my mother in law was staying with us...my TV was on fox news. I threw her out on her ass right then...ok maybe not but I told her I would!

[jbnwc]

you actually consider fox news as a REAL new source??? hahahaha

- Justin

Jealous much?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/01/fox-news-claims-9-of-top_n_181878.html

[Devaclis]

Why can't I make a new thread?

[Devaclis]

It's broked!!!

[TFOGGuys]

It's broked!!!

I guess you'll just have to whore up someone else's thread with Kittah pics and gay train porn.....

[Captain Obvious]

It's about 6.02*10^23 times as credible as the Boulder Daily Camera.....

Holy mole, that is a lot.

[Devaclis]

I guess you'll just have to whore up someone else's thread with Kittah pics and gay train porn.....

haha NO! I wanted to post a ride Report from the TAT to Colorado. It was going to be motorcycle related, a great read, contain photos, and help waste away a boring day!

I WAS GOING TO BE RELEVANT TO YOUR INTERESTS!!!

Damn intarwebs always break at the least convenient moment.

[MetaLord 9]

It's broked!!!
It worked for me :dunno:
http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1252515958-46810727521721ddbaec0776b72be7498d13ad8f

[Devaclis]

You think I fall for my own tricks?

[VryfastRR]

Fox news is more of a comedy channel. Always good for a late night laugh.
:spit:

[derekm]

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/articles/blog/1640000164/20080401/hellskitchen_home.jpg

[MetaLord 9]

You think I fall for my own tricks?
I try not to think at all actually. It frees up SOOO much processor! :D

[Captain Obvious]

you actually consider fox news as a REAL new source??? hahahaha

- Justin

Haha, yep, and then you can go read the MSNBC articles and feel you are back from -10 to zero. Fox has gotten even weirder since Colmes left Hannity and they overpaid Glen Beck to see behind the curtain. Hannity is now almost as loopy as Beck, I wonder if they have crying sessions together. As much as Colmes made my skin crawl, he tempered Hannity.

[Nick_Ninja]

http://a.getbackimages.com/uri/w514_h800_cfalse_K0224003616/steve-martin-in-little-shop-of-horrors-/image/4/0/4/2/4042757.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

Try a real news source (for example www.economist.com (http://www.economist.com)) - unless you are just trying to be entertained.

This quote reminds me of a song Greg Graffin wrote, Only Entertainment. Pretty fitting.

[Pandora-11]

you actually consider fox news as a REAL new source??? hahahaha

- Justin

Curious as to what in this article do you find not credible. MVBrutale?

What parts do you find find "unreal"? I want to hear YOUR report from a "credible" news source and we can compare notes. Go for it!http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

[Filo]

Curious as to what in this article do you find not credible. MVBrutale?

What parts do you find find "unreal"? I want to hear YOUR report from a "credible" news source and we can compare notes. Go for it!http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

I realize that this was directed at MVBrutale, but...

It is not a news article. It is an opinion piece. Keep that in mind. Further, he cites nothing. Take the example the 4billion dollar health care number - what is it, where does it come from, is it the top end of an estimate, is it even something from the current state of the bill, is it valid, is it likely, etc. Ultimately it is opinion and, as such, needs no support. Just don't read it as the Gospel, because it is intentionally skewed to make Obama look bad. The tone is one of breathless outrage, which really undercuts the believability and neutrality of the piece.


As an exercise - take this statement

"Even President Obama admitted as much, predicting that electric bill prices, in his words, would, "skyrocket." Those that have looked at the specifics tell us that the average utility bill in America will go from $167 to $307 per month, per family.

and try to verify the two claims in it.


BTW, don't take this as a defense of any of Obama's position by me. Just understand what you are reading and how it can be skewed to 1) provoke moral outrage in the necessary constituents and 2) be calculated to get the most people of the desired demographic to read it, thus pushing up the "eyes on the page" numbers to show to the advertisers. I find plenty of things about the Obama administration to worry me. I personally think (this is opinion at this point) that the Obama administration will have to re-evaluate some goals in the next 6-8 weeks. They tried to tackle health care against a very rich lobby with inadequate political capital in the middle of a severe economic downturn. That is pretty poor politicking. I don't think they will "implode" which is what the intended demographic for this piece is hoping for.

[Zach929rr]

^ Well said.

[TFOGGuys]

BTW, don't take this as a defense of any of Obama's position by me. Just understand what you are reading and how it can be skewed to 1) provoke moral outrage in the necessary constituents and 2) be calculated to get the most people of the desired demographic to read it, thus pushing up the "eyes on the page" numbers to show to the advertisers. I find plenty of things about the Obama administration to worry me. I personally think (this is opinion at this point) that the Obama administration will have to re-evaluate some goals in the next 6-8 weeks. They tried to tackle health care against a very rich lobby with inadequate political capital in the middle of a severe economic downturn. That is pretty poor politicking. I don't think they will "implode" which is what the intended demographic for this piece is hoping for.

As an op/ed piece, it certainly works for it's intended purpose: to get people to evaluate and decide, rather than accept what the .gov feeds to us as "facts", which in many ways are equally unsupported opinions and estimates.

The fact that the health care reform debate to this point has not even really touched on tort law reform really burns me, since more than 10% of US healthcare costs go to cover litigation (http://www.sickoflawsuits.org/threats/HealthcareUnderAttack.cfm). Of course, a large percentage of our elected officials are lawyers(including the President), so this is no surprise.

[Filo]

As an op/ed piece, it certainly works for it's intended purpose: to get people to evaluate and decide, rather than accept what the .gov feeds to us as "facts", which in many ways are equally unsupported opinions and estimates.

The fact that the health care reform debate to this point has not even really touched on tort law reform really burns me, since more than 10% of US healthcare costs go to cover litigation (http://www.sickoflawsuits.org/threats/HealthcareUnderAttack.cfm). Of course, a large percentage of our elected officials are lawyers(including the President), so this is no surprise.

Woohoo, Jim! Giving the citation.

I agree the "facts" that come out of the government are skewed too. The op-ed piece is originally intended to get us to evaluate, but I don't think it fits its purpose anymore, especially from some media outlets such as Fox News or MSNBC. They are simply too skewed from facts and too reluctant to concede the other side may have a valid point. I prefer my information to come from politically neutral source that say "On the one hand... and on the other hand ..." Too many people are basing too many important decisions on too little reliable information.

And don't get me started on Tort reform. You and I would probably have a little love fest and it would embarrass everyone here.

[TFOGGuys]

Woohoo, Jim! Giving the citation.

I agree the "facts" that come out of the government are skewed too. The op-ed piece is originally intended to get us to evaluate, but I don't think it fits its purpose anymore, especially from some media outlets such as Fox News or MSNBC. They are simply too skewed from facts and too reluctant to concede the other side may have a valid point. I prefer my information to come from politically neutral source that say "On the one hand... and on the other hand ..." Too many people are basing too many important decisions on too little reliable information.

And don't get me started on Tort reform. You and I would probably have a little love fest and it would embarrass everyone here.

If your idea of tort reform starts with "Draft most lawyers into the space program for an experimental landing on the Sun...." you'd be right....:scream1:

[Snowman]

If your idea of tort reform starts with "Draft most lawyers into the space program for an experimental landing on the Sun...." you'd be right....:scream1:Only if they were closely followed by every last medical insurance bean counter.

[TheStig]

Hey Jim, I disagree with you but you wanna work on my bike? haha...no seriously, Ill PM you the details.

[Shea]

As an exercise - take this statement

"Even President Obama admitted as much, predicting that electric bill prices, in his words, would, "skyrocket." Those that have looked at the specifics tell us that the average utility bill in America will go from $167 to $307 per month, per family.

and try to verify the two claims in it.



Just to play your game:

Obama on energy costs skyrocketing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

Factcheck on the cap-and-trade scheme:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/cap-and-trade-cost-inflation/
CBO numbers $700-2,200 per household increase.
Heritage Foundation: $1,500 a year
EPA: $98-140 (which is almost laughable, but there it is)

All the estimates say one thing, your costs go up for a flawed scientific boondoggle. And those are just direct costs. Everything in your life will increase in costs since companies need energy to make things you buy, and will pass on their increase in costs to you.

Great paper on the "science" behind the CO2 emissions being the culprit behind the global warming nonsense:

http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/Monckton/apocalypse_cancelled.pdf

Please don't take anything I just said to mean that I think Obama and his administration are a bunch of misguided, uninformed, power-crazed buffoons. Nor that I think global warming (based on man made CO2 emissions) is nothing more then a scheme by which to make certain people very, very rich at the expense of everyone else.

:p

[Filo]

Just to play your game:


Not playing a game, not taking sides. Just saying caveat emptor on anything that comes from Fox News or MSNBC.

[Shea]

Not playing a game, not taking sides. Just saying caveat emptor on anything that comes from Fox News or MSNBC.

I know you weren't playing a game (just a turn of phrase) and you are correct. I would extend it to all media however...radio, tv, print...all have their unique level of bias.

[DavidofColorado]

I realize that this was directed at MVBrutale, but...

It is not a news article. It is an opinion piece. Keep that in mind. Further, he cites nothing. Take the example the 4billion dollar health care number - what is it, where does it come from, is it the top end of an estimate, is it even something from the current state of the bill, is it valid, is it likely, etc. Ultimately it is opinion and, as such, needs no support. Just don't read it as the Gospel, because it is intentionally skewed to make Obama look bad. The tone is one of breathless outrage, which really undercuts the believability and neutrality of the piece.


As an exercise - take this statement

"Even President Obama admitted as much, predicting that electric bill prices, in his words, would, "skyrocket." Those that have looked at the specifics tell us that the average utility bill in America will go from $167 to $307 per month, per family.

and try to verify the two claims in it.


BTW, don't take this as a defense of any of Obama's position by me. Just understand what you are reading and how it can be skewed to 1) provoke moral outrage in the necessary constituents and 2) be calculated to get the most people of the desired demographic to read it, thus pushing up the "eyes on the page" numbers to show to the advertisers. I find plenty of things about the Obama administration to worry me. I personally think (this is opinion at this point) that the Obama administration will have to re-evaluate some goals in the next 6-8 weeks. They tried to tackle health care against a very rich lobby with inadequate political capital in the middle of a severe economic downturn. That is pretty poor politicking. I don't think they will "implode" which is what the intended demographic for this piece is hoping for.
I've heard it twice from the man himself. Out of both faces. Try to get 2 sources on his birth certificate and you will get 2 different answers one from Hawaii and another from Kenya.
I hope something changes because imploding this communist POS presidency is going to be the only thing that saves it.

[VryfastRR]

I've heard it twice from the man himself. Out of both faces. Try to get 2 sources on his birth certificate and you will get 2 different answers one from Hawaii and another from Kenya.
I hope something changes because imploding this communist POS presidency is going to be the only thing that saves it.


Atleast your title fits you.:jerkoff:

[Filo]

I've heard it twice from the man himself. Out of both faces. Try to get 2 sources on his birth certificate and you will get 2 different answers one from Hawaii and another from Kenya.
I hope something changes because imploding this communist POS presidency is going to be the only thing that saves it.


Again, no citation, no believability. Shea at least found a video and posted that up. Without that what you say is just noise - and again, I am not attacking or defending anyone. Just asking for justification.

[DavidofColorado]

Atleast your title fits you.:jerkoff:
Thanks. At least you can read. :shocked:And I might be all the bad the things you think. But it doesn't change my statement. Unless you want to attack that I mean. But if you can't you can keep attacking me if it makes you feel better. But at least admit I'm right first. Thanks. New guy!


Again, no citation, no believability. Shea at least found a video and posted that up. Without that what you say is just noise - and again, I am not attacking or defending anyone. Just asking for justification.
Shea provided citations and you still keep your faith in your position. What good would citing my work do for changing your opinion to the facts?

[Filo]

Thanks. At least you can read. :shocked:And I might be all the bad the things you think. But it doesn't change my statement. Unless you want to attack that I mean. But if you can't you can keep attacking me if it makes you feel better. But at least admit I'm right first. Thanks.


Shea provided citations and you still keep your faith in your position. What good would citing my work do for changing your opinion to the facts?


Unfortunately, you can't read. I am not taking a political position. I am saying check the facts that one chooses to believe. My position is that one should check all the facts that one thinks are correct, not just parrot them. Shea checked the two facts in my post. You simply rant. Shea sounds like a conservative. You sound like an emotional reactionary. I am not defending Obama - I actually disagree with most of the policy agenda he is putting forward. I am saying be careful about where you get your information from. If you continue to assume that I am trying to defend Obama, then you sorely miss the point or you are intentionally being a douche bag.

Oh, and I was talking about citations for what you claimed in your post

"Try to get 2 sources on his birth certificate and you will get 2 different answers one from Hawaii and another from Kenya."

Your ADD must have kicked in, because that is not what the rest of us were discussing.

[DavidofColorado]

Unfortunately, you can't read. I am not taking a political position. I am saying check the facts that one chooses to believe. My position is that one should check all the facts that one thinks are correct, not just parrot them. Shea checked the two facts in my post. You simply rant. Shea sounds like a conservative. You sound like an emotional reactionary. I am not defending Obama - I actually disagree with most of the policy agenda he is putting forward. I am saying be careful about where you get your information from. If you continue to assume that I am trying to defend Obama, then you sorely miss the point or you are intentionally being a douche bag.

Oh, and I was talking about citations for what you claimed in your post

"Try to get 2 sources on his birth certificate and you will get 2 different answers one from Hawaii and another from Kenya."

Your ADD must have kicked in, because that is not what the rest of us were discussing.
I guess sarcasm is foreign to you. It's ok its new.
Obama doesn't have a birth cert. and I was just relating to your position more than Shea's because I was just spewing whatever came to mind. I guess if that makes me a duesche than thanks for naming it. Does that help your position any? [shrug]

If I find 2 citations for my position that directly contradics what you were "not parroting" would that help your personal dogma? Or would you go back to your bag of tricks and start the emotional non relevant name calling?

Some people would rather look pissy than wrong. So let the cat fighting begin.

[DavidofColorado]

^ Well said.
Your just mad cause they weren't talking about you. lol

Obongo needs a decease like Jim Carry had in Liar Liar.
He speach would have sounded something like this
"While growing up in the Indonesia. I learned that $40 a week was a lot of money. And I learned that the Capitalist was evil cause he had so much money. Now I have come to take it all because I think you are made of money."
Now that's a rant.

[Nick_Ninja]

I guess sarcasm is foreign to you. It's ok its new.
Obama doesn't have a birth cert. and I was just relating to your position more than Shea's because I was just spewing whatever came to mind. I guess if that makes me a duesche than thanks for naming it. Does that help your position any? [shrug]

If I find 2 citations for my position that directly contradics what you were "not parroting" would that help your personal dogma? Or would you go back to your bag of tricks and start the emotional non relevant name calling?

Some people would rather look pissy than wrong. So let the cat fighting begin.

Easy big fella. Remember one thing Einstein ----- you were the one with the tires mounted backward on your bike.

[DavidofColorado]

Easy big fella. Remember one thing Einstein ----- you were the one with the tires mounted backward on your bike.
Yup. Still on that tire too. But I didn't install it. I was the one that noticed it was backwards. I's smarted. The illegal help that was being forced to work until they could afford to buy back their passport installed it. Not smart. But, I just don't think he was as passionate about it as I (or you) would have been with it making sure it was right.

[Filo]

I guess sarcasm is foreign to you. It's ok its new.
Obama doesn't have a birth cert. and I was just relating to your position more than Shea's because I was just spewing whatever came to mind. I guess if that makes me a duesche than thanks for naming it. Does that help your position any? [shrug]

If I find 2 citations for my position that directly contradics what you were "not parroting" would that help your personal dogma? Or would you go back to your bag of tricks and start the emotional non relevant name calling?

Some people would rather look pissy than wrong. So let the cat fighting begin.

Wow... wait, what?

[VryfastRR]

Thanks. At least you can read. :shocked:And I might be all the bad the things you think. But it doesn't change my statement. Unless you want to attack that I mean. But if you can't you can keep attacking me if it makes you feel better. But at least admit I'm right first. Thanks. New guy!



New Guy?? I guess you can't read. I would atack your statement but it apears you have already lost your mind so you wouldn't understand anyway.

[DavidofColorado]

New Guy?? I guess you can't read. I would atack your statement but it apears you have already lost your mind so you wouldn't understand anyway.
Where have you been all this time? Thinking of a retort to me calling you new? Unless you have been in a cave with your fingers in your ears you have been missing the all the things that have been happening since 2004. But I think you are not new at all. Just a shill account for some other member to flame thru. I have one too. (Nick Ninja)

[VryfastRR]

No been here with just one name the whole time. More into the motorcycle side of it. I don't jump into the b.s. very often. Just found your comment uneducated and amusing. Atleast your title helps everyone know not to take your comments to serious.

[chanke4252]

The only real problem that I have with this article is that it seems to intentionally make some pretty absurd implications for the sake of trying to convince those who can't think critically to join the neocon torch and pitchfork parade.

[Nick_Ninja]

The only real problem that I have with this article is that it seems to intentionally make some pretty absurd implications for the sake of trying to convince those who can't think critically to join the neocon torch and pitchfork parade.


Damn I wish I would have said that. :up:

[Pandora-11]

Curious as to what in this article do you find not credible. MVBrutale?

What parts do you find find "unreal"? I want to hear YOUR report from a "credible" news source and we can compare notes. Go for it!http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

Now that I'm back to this......I just get really annoyed by people who consider FOXNEWS as somehow different from the other news sources. Filo is correct when he states that any writer or news agency can skew an article. Many have gotten so used to hearing the liberal perspective that another viewpoint seems strange and evil to them. People think that NBC, CBS, or ABC don't slant? ha.
The fact that this piece is written for FOXnews changes nothing about it, except for its skew. There is little that I see in it that is unfair for an op/ed piece. ...and thank you FiLO for the reminder to READ and understand. I am a Reading Specialist in a middle school and as such hope that I can read. That fact that I am in agreement with much of it is besides the point.

[DavidofColorado]

No been here with just one name the whole time. More into the motorcycle side of it. I don't jump into the b.s. very often. Just found your comment uneducated and amusing. Atleast your title helps everyone know not to take your comments to serious.

I guess if your biased against someone on the right it will help warn people to close their (so-called open) minds before I corrupt them with my western influence.
Yes, my statements are just so right winged they must be uneducated. Save your craziness if that's the case. I'm all stocked up. I don't mind being called amusing though. I wish I could say the same about you. However, all I can come up with is "Sucks to be you!"

[DavidofColorado]

The only real problem that I have with this article is that it seems to intentionally make some pretty absurd implications for the sake of trying to convince those who can't think critically to join the neocon torch and pitchfork parade.
Damn, that's the only problem that you have with it. I hate it cause I didn't write it.

[Zach929rr]

Your just mad cause they weren't talking about you. lol

wat?

Didn't we have plans to go shoot some guns, or morally bankrupt America, or something?

[Pandora-11]

The only real problem that I have with this article is that it seems to intentionally make some pretty absurd implications for the sake of trying to convince those who can't think critically to join the neocon torch and pitchfork parade.


Polishing my pitchfork.

[TFOGGuys]

wat?

...or morally bankrupt America, or something?

That ship has sailed, my friend.

[Nick_Ninja]

You clowns have about two minutes to turn on your TV's

[Zach929rr]

Oh shit, is the Seinfeld soup nazi episode on? I'm there.

[DavidofColorado]

wat?

Didn't we have plans to go shoot some guns, or morally bankrupt America, or something?
I am already bankrupt, I still have my guns. Except the ones that Obama wants... those I lost in a boating accident. They are somewhere at the bottom of Lake Michigan.

[DavidofColorado]

Oh shit, is the Seinfeld soup nazi episode on? I'm there.
Seinfeld, I like him. But I don't think he's funny. I'm watching Iron Monkey (http://www.lovehkfilm.com/reviews/iron_monkey.htm) right now and its much more entertaining.

There I cited something that you may believe. Or don't keep your MO going.

Not you Zach... Filo.

[Zach929rr]

Lets go plink some clays or something, sometime, then. I also have lifesize Matt Kensworth and Jeff Gordon posters we can use :)

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I read it religiously.
....and we're not even gonna talk about the Sodomy of Gamorra......:shocked::)

[Nick_Ninja]

....and we're not even gonna talk about the Sodomy of Gamorra......:shocked::)

That's what video's are for. :twisted:

[DavidofColorado]

Lets go plink some clays or something, sometime, then. I also have lifesize Matt Kensworth and Jeff Gordon posters we can use :)
Sounds good to me. Lets do it. Clays are a lot of fun and shotgun shells are available and cheap. Clays are too. PM me sometime.

[Zach929rr]

Cool. I'm traveling a bit this month... maybe we could plan on the last weekend of the month. I shoot ya a PM. All I have is my Benelli 12ga right now and have no idea where my clay thrower is. Might just have to go buy a new one, unless you have one of the springers.

[Pandora-11]

Well-delivered health care speech....still not much new. Same controversies still abound. sigh

[Nick_Ninja]

Well-delivered health care speech....still not much new. Same controversies still abound. sigh

This health care BS is gonna be the death of you if you don't lighten up.

[Pandora-11]

Lighten up.....??? I'm light. Fascinated by the politics of it.

[Nick_Ninja]

Lighten up.....??? I'm light. Fascinated by the politics of it.

The way I'm seeing it it's a fine line between fascination and obsession. Just sayn.

[Pandora-11]

Pffffffft! I don't need a dad. Thank you very much. I take my obsessions very seriously.:) Just sayn back.

Each one's obsessions to themselves.
Besides..it keeps my mind off other things.

[Nick_Ninja]

Pffffffft! I don't need a dad. Thank you very much. I take my obsessions very seriously.:) Just sayn back.

Each one's obsessions to themselves.

'Who's yer daddy.", wasn't where I was going with this................ :D

Take that back right nao.

[Pandora-11]

lol.........where's it going?

[Zach929rr]

lol.........where's it going?

So, when you gonna let me?

[Snowman]

GET A ROOM ALREADY!!!


:)

[Pandora-11]

You...are too funny, Zach......

[Nick_Ninja]

lol.........where's it going?

Nowhere. You're hitched.





























(rummages around for cell phone to text Pandora-11) :D

[Pandora-11]

Hey....YOU suggested the question, not moi. Ya'll stop it!! This is about Obamacare....remember. Try to keep your heads in the game.....geez

(Now I know someone will take that line and run with it.)

[Nick_Ninja]

Does Obammmakare have a deal on CIALIS®? If it doze I'm all in.

(run with that)

[Pandora-11]

TMI

Stop starting rumors. I'm a nice Republican.

[DavidofColorado]

Cool. I'm traveling a bit this month... maybe we could plan on the last weekend of the month. I shoot ya a PM. All I have is my Benelli 12ga right now and have no idea where my clay thrower is. Might just have to go buy a new one, unless you have one of the springers.
I think a fight ends when a Benelli comes out cause they are so bad ass. But if that's all you got bring it. I have a Winchester Defender mod. 1300 cir 1992 and a Remington 870 duck gun. They serve me well.
https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:37058.2382635725/rid:bac55d8b4e2e6e54192d3b6f4320b29d

[Snowman]

Wait... Bottom of Lake Michigan?
Is that what your calling your basement or are you just a bottom feeder? :)

[MVBrutaleRider]

Damn I don't get on here for 24 hours and all hell breaks loose. Glad I could provide such fodder fir the discussion... Will follow up once I'm on my computer and not typing from my phone...

What was that about clay shooting?

- Justin

[DavidofColorado]

Wait... Bottom of Lake Michigan?
Is that what your calling your basement or are you just a bottom feeder? :)
No there was metaphor or poem involved. I lost em in a horrible boating accident.