It comes down to money in the end....

[TFOGGuys]

Remember the school webcam spying hoohah a few months back...

Well, the school district settled (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/webcam-spy-settlement/)....

[SOCAL4LIFE!!]

And yet again the real winner is the lawyers. How about pay for their college wherever they go and tell the lawyers to pound sand. $475k for legal fees? Are you kidding me.

[TinkerinWstuff]

how many lawyers, how many clerks and assistants, how many years of college do those lawyers still have to pay off that gave them the skills to win for these kids??

everyone's so worried about what someone else is making....

And if the lawyers would have lost, they likely wouldn't have made squat for all their time, risk, and investment.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

The school should have been forced to stop that, but nobody deserved a dime. That's a huge part of what's wrong with this country: attitude of entitlement. Lawyers suck ass.

[TinkerinWstuff]

they do suck ass

until you need one

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

they do suck ass

until you need one
.....then they suck even worse! :)

[SOCAL4LIFE!!]

how many lawyers, how many clerks and assistants, how many years of college do those lawyers still have to pay off that gave them the skills to win for these kids??

everyone's so worried about what someone else is making....

And if the lawyers would have lost, they likely wouldn't have made squat for all their time, risk, and investment.
"In an announcement Tuesday, the Board of School Directors agreed to pay $175,0000 to student Blake Robbins (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/school-district-halts-webcam-surveillance/), and $10,000 for former pupil Jalil Hasan (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/webcam-spy-scandal-broadens/). As much as $425,000 in legal fees will be paid to their legal team, led by Mark Haltzman." Your telling me the lawyers deserve more money than the plantiff themselves? I know how the legal system works. I know how much it costs to get your J.D. I am just saying everything is gettin out of hand.

[Sarge]

:imwithstupid:

[TinkerinWstuff]

"In an announcement Tuesday, the Board of School Directors agreed to pay $175,0000 to student Blake Robbins (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/school-district-halts-webcam-surveillance/), and $10,000 for former pupil Jalil Hasan (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/webcam-spy-scandal-broadens/). As much as $425,000 in legal fees will be paid to their legal team, led by Mark Haltzman." Your telling me the lawyers deserve more money than the plantiff themselves? I know how the legal system works. I know how much it costs to get your J.D. I am just saying everything is gettin out of hand.

Did you request a cost accounting of how they came to that number? Do you know how many people were on the legal team? Do you know how many hours were spent on the case?

You don't know shit and you're just voicing a socialist opinion without any facts.

[Sarge]

Did you request a cost accounting of how they came to that number? Do you know how many people were on the legal team? Do you know how many hours were spent on the case?

You don't know shit and you're just voicing a socialist opinion without any facts.

Daaaaaaamn..... At this point, I could really agree with either one of you.... If either of you have read "I hope they serve beer in hell" though, I'd have to disagree. In this book, the protaganist makes $2,500 a WEEK for doing jack shit, just because he works for a high priced lawfirm, and if you really get through the book, you see it's all about who you know when it comes to Lawyering...

I get where you might be coming from with the whole law degree thing, but my wife has the same BSA that the President of the United States, Barack Obama, does, and she definitely doesn't make 25% of what he does....

(She has a Master's in Political Science and International Relations, while Barack Obama just had a Bachelors in Political Science and International Relations before he went to Law School.)

[TinkerinWstuff]

Do you have any idea whether the plaintiff shopped around for a legal team? Do you know if this team that won the case for them delivered as promised? Do you know if the legal team said, "we can get you $XX, and our cost will be 75% of that" and the plaintiff agreed and CHOOSE them as representation? Maybe they could have taken a lawyer who would have charged less and had a poorer record? Free market, they could have shopped around for any lawyer or price they wanted to pay, instead they choose this team but YOU don't agree with their fee???

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Honestly what I have a huge problam with is that any money was paid out at all. No real damage was done to anyone, so in my opinion nobody deserved jack shit. Like I said, it's the entitlement mentality.

[Sarge]

Honestly what I have a huge problam with is that any money was paid out at all. No real damage was done to anyone, so in my opinion nobody deserved jack shit. Like I said, it's the entitlement mentality.

The *damage* was that some student was recorded popping pills without anybody's consent. But, of course, his parents claimed it was just *Mike & Ike's."

[TinkerinWstuff]

Honestly what I have a huge problam with is that any money was paid out at all. No real damage was done to anyone, so in my opinion nobody deserved jack shit. Like I said, it's the entitlement mentality.

^^ maybe not, but not having a consequence leaves it open for other institutions or even employers to do the same thing? "We can do it until we're told to stop. There's no penalty for violating someone else's rights or privacy."

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

^^ maybe not, but not having a consequence leaves it open for other institutions or even employers to do the same thing? "We can do it until we're told to stop. There's no penalty for violating someone else's rights or privacy."
I agree they should be hammered for it, but I'd rather see them do a TON of community service and maybe some jail time for wiretapping for it, rather than drain an already financially-strapped school district (and the kids) of money just to feed some spoiled kid and even more spoiled lawyer scum.

[Sarge]

:imwithstupid:

[DFab]

what bothers me the most is that nobody was fired for it. The school district and their insurance company have to pay out, but there's no personal accountability. Some people at the district thought it was a good idea to spy on a bunch of minors in their houses, and they still work there. I wonder what their next bright idea will be.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

what bothers me the most is that nobody was fired for it. The school district and their insurance company have to pay out, but there's no personal accountability. Some people at the district thought it was a good idea to spy on a bunch of minors in their houses, and they still work there. I wonder what their next bright idea will be.
Exactly. who were the winners in this? The overpaid lawers and the whiny student. Who were the losers? The children.

[#1Townie]

Did you request a cost accounting of how they came to that number? Do you know how many people were on the legal team? Do you know how many hours were spent on the case?

You don't know shit and you're just voicing a socialist opinion without any facts.
hi tinker im going to like you i can see that now.

A. fuck lawyers!! they have done nothing but fuck this country up! victoms being sued and winning. mcdonalds being sued because people are fucking retarded. but no thats just the socialist in me. next your going to say that it was all made up by the bush loving rednecks.

B. you dont know shit. open your eyes bro. what good has a lawyer ever done? every dumbshit law was written by some jackass that had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much time on there hands. its getting to a point im going to need to submit in writing when i need to wash my hands or cut my toe nails. "it might offend some one"


Honestly what I have a huge problam with is that any money was paid out at all. No real damage was done to anyone, so in my opinion nobody deserved jack shit. Like I said, it's the entitlement mentality.
the fuck there wasnt damage done. the broke into their home and took pics of their kids. some of the pics were somthing like partialy undressed? realy? come on frank ive seen you go waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off for much less then this. this is big brother shit.


I agree they should be hammered for it, but I'd rather see them do a TON of community service and maybe some jail time for wiretapping for it, rather than drain an already financially-strapped school district (and the kids) of money just to feed some spoiled kid and even more spoiled lawyer scum.
school didnt pay for shit. insurance payd it. ok yeah so the school had to pay some kind of payment to the insurance but nothing like what was settled. and im sorry but if we leave these fucking morons in these schools then we deserve to pay for what we let happen. come on little kids being kicked out of school for toy guns. honor students being kicked out of school for bullshit. we made this. we let this happen. and then we wounder why our kids are retards.

Exactly. who were the winners in this? The overpaid lawers and the whiny student. Who were the losers? The children.
shit the kids won big time. the one got 170,000 bucks. good for that kid. fuck the lawyers but good for the kid.

[Filo]

No one has mentioned yet the thing that made me go :think:

$475K for the lawyers
$185K for the students

$1.2M paid by the insurance company. By my math, the insurance company is paying $540K more money than was awarded. Where is that money headed?

[TFOGGuys]

No one has mentioned yet the thing that made me go :think:

$475K for the lawyers
$185K for the students

$1.2M paid by the insurance company. By my math, the insurance company is paying $540K more money than was awarded. Where is that money headed?
Legal fees for the school district, I would guess....

So, total legal fees : $1.015M

Total damages : $185K

Total settlement is 18% of the legal fees, and just over 15% of the total insurance payout..... I'm in the wrong profession.....

[TinkerinWstuff]

you edited the post but I'll answer/clarify anyway.

My definition has nothing to do with this situation or with lawyers. I'm no fan of lawyers either, until the day comes I need one I suppose. My comment is related to people who spout off about what someone else makes sounding "unfair" or "unjust" without any facts or connection to the situation. "He makes too much" is none of anyone's business and worrying what someone else makes is the slippery slope to socialism.

If you want to make $400k then no one is stopping you but yourself. But keep in mind, in this situation, a "team" of lawyers received a payout and no one knows what expenses were associated with that.

[#1Townie]

ummmm i didnt edit anything. and part of my fuck lawyers is that there over paid!! give me a brake they should never ger more then 40%. that simple.

[TinkerinWstuff]

ummmm i didnt edit anything. and part of my fuck lawyers is that there over paid!! give me a brake they should never ger more then 40%. that simple.

Wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the one who edited his post.

The fact of the matter is, as I said earlier, the people involved in the case had every opportunity to shop around for any team of lawyers they wanted. They chose this team and that was their rate. When you need a lawyer, you are free to chose one that will only collect 40% if that's your criteria.

[TinkerinWstuff]

I think I shouldn't have to pay more than $10 to have a tire mounted and balanced off the bike. No shop in it's right mind should be able to charge me more than $10.
(tongue in cheek)

Fortunately in America, I have the right to take my business where ever I choose, and a business can set it's own prices. They can survive or die based on setting prices where the consumer will pay them. If they are the best in the business, they can charge more. If they suck, they can charge less and I can pay for the quality of service I want to receive.

[#1Townie]

ok so what your saying then is it is what it is? fine then i want the state to remove the cap on private parking impounds. if we are the best in the state then we should be able to charge as we choose right? sure your car got impounded pay 23,000 to get it back and your fine.

see your logic is very flawed. these people im betting shopped around. but the only person they could find was this asshole who took most of it. i know a guy getting ready to sue some doctors for olmost killing him and all the lawyers he talks to want 100k up front. then they will take another 60% if they win. so your idea on if they loose they are out squat is bullshit.

i dont give a fuck what kind of school or how good you are at your trade. this is ripping people off.

fact is people rarly "want" a lawyer, they need one. state and feds proved they wernt going to do shit like normal. if i found out some perv was taking pics of my kid in his bedroom id fucking burn the school down.

[TurboGizzmo]

Slap someone on the wrist and they will shrug it off, slap them in the wallet and they will think twice and make changes (at least for a little while)

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Slap someone on the wrist and they will shrug it off, slap them in the wallet and they will think twice and make changes (at least for a little while)
....and slap someone with a romantic night or more in prison with Bubba "The Sodomizer" Monsterpenis and they'll never do it again......:devil1:

[TinkerinWstuff]

ok so what your saying then is it is what it is? fine then i want the state to remove the cap on private parking impounds. if we are the best in the state then we should be able to charge as we choose right? sure your car got impounded pay 23,000 to get it back and your fine.

see your logic is very flawed. these people im betting shopped around. but the only person they could find was this asshole who took most of it. i know a guy getting ready to sue some doctors for olmost killing him and all the lawyers he talks to want 100k up front. then they will take another 60% if they win. so your idea on if they loose they are out squat is bullshit.

i dont give a fuck what kind of school or how good you are at your trade. this is ripping people off.

fact is people rarly "want" a lawyer, they need one. state and feds proved they wernt going to do shit like normal. if i found out some perv was taking pics of my kid in his bedroom id fucking burn the school down.

you, your, you're

I'm just sayin

and your argument about impounding vehicles is a non sequitur

go ahead and get your last word. /unsubscribe

[#1Townie]

Read the sig.


And no my point about the towing is right on the money. It is a service that YOU NEED.