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Keyser Soze
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 07:36 AM
Anyone else see this ish?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKv4NYvKW9E&feature=player_embedded

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/23/3074455.htm

Deadly exchange of fire between two Koreas

By North Asia correspondent Mark Willacy (http://www.abc.net.au/profiles/content/s1865155.htm?site=news), wires
Updated 4 hours 14 minutes ago
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http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201011/r678029_4989119.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201011/r678029_4989161.jpg)People at Seoul railway station stop to watch events unfold on television. (Reuters: Truth Leem)





North Korea has launched an artillery barrage on a South Korean island in one of the most serious clashes since the end of the Korean War nearly 60 years ago.
Two South Korean soldiers have died, while more than a dozen others have been wounded and a number of houses caught fire.
Media reports say about 50 North Korean artillery shells slammed into the island of Yeonpyeong, about 3km south of the Yellow Sea border and 120km west of Seoul.
Residents were forced to flee as the shells hit homes and set them ablaze.
South Korea's military has confirmed two marines were killed and at least 14 others were wounded in the barrage, four seriously.
Defence minister Kim Tae-Young says the South fired 80 shots in response during an exchange that lasted for about an hour.
State media in North Korea says the South fired first.
Seoul has raised its alert to the highest level and the security cabinet has met in an underground bunker.
South Korean F-16 fighter planes have also been scrambled to the island.
The Yellow Sea border has been the site of several exchanges of fire, with naval clashes claiming a number of lives.
Today's exchange was the most serious between the two Koreas in years and comes days after the North announced it had a new uranium enrichment facility.
South Korean president Lee Myung-bak says he is trying to prevent the exchange from escalating into a greater conflict, Yonhap news agency reports.
YTN reported Seoul had warned of a stronger response if the North continued with provocations.
Yeonpyeong resident Lee Jong-Sik told YTN television that at least 10 houses were burning.
"I can't see clearly for the smoke. The hillsides are also on fire," he said.
"We were told by loudspeakers to flee our homes."
TV footage showed huge plumes of smoke rising from the island.
Residents have been evacuated to safe areas and the military and police are checking the number of casualties, YTN said.
"I was at home but suddenly heard a thunderous sound outside. When I walked out, the whole village was on fire," a villager was quoted by Yonhap as saying.
"I'm at the evacuation site with other villagers and I am scared to death."
The incident comes amid high cross-border tensions over the North's nuclear program and the deadly sinking of a South Korean warship near the border in March.

International reaction


Australia's Foreign Minister, Kevin Rudd, says the situation in Korea is deeply concerning.
"I'm confident that president Lee Myung-bak will handle this appropriately," Mr Rudd said.
"I'm less confident the North Koreans are capable of handling these things competently, but we in Australia will stand in support of the Republic of Korea's response to this provocative act.
"This is bad for the stability and security of the region and this region is our region, Australia's as well."
The White House has condemned the artillery attack and demanded the action cease.
"The United States strongly condemns this attack and calls on North Korea to halt its belligerent action," the White House said, adding that it was in close and continuing contact with South Korea over the situation.
"The US is firmly committed to the defence of our ally, the Republic of Korea, and to the maintenance of regional peace and stability."
Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan has ordered his ministers to prepare for any eventuality.
China has also expressed concern over the attack, while a senior Russian foreign ministry official says the artillery attack is unacceptable and called on both sides to show restraint to prevent a wider conflict.
North Korea says the South initiated the firing of shells, prompting it to take military action.
"Despite our repeated warnings, South Korea fired dozens of shells... and we've taken strong military action immediately," the North's official KCNA news agency said in a brief statement.
It did not elaborate whether North Korea had suffered any damage from the exchange.

Keyser Soze
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 07:38 AM
http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kim_jong_il_team_america1.jpg

Sarge
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 07:39 AM
Yay! Maybe the U.S. will decide to take action and send in 160,000 Soldiers in the name of Democracy and saving the world!

salsashark
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 07:43 AM
^^ no need for a sarcasm tag on that post... :lol:

MetaLord 9
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 07:57 AM
This thread gets INCREDIBLY political & eventually locked in 5...4....3.......

Keyser Soze
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 08:21 AM
I see only one solution....

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/mm3-launch.jpg

The Black Knight
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 08:41 AM
This thread gets INCREDIBLY political & eventually locked in 5...4....3.......
IBTL :headbang:

rforsythe
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 08:48 AM
No reason to lock it yet...

My personal view is a deluge of smartbombs directed at certain artillery batteries and uranium enrichment facilities could go a long way.

MetaLord 9
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 08:53 AM
Herrroooooooo. You breaking my barrs hans brix!

Sarge
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 09:01 AM
No reason to lock it yet...

My personal view is a deluge of smartbombs directed at certain artillery batteries and uranium enrichment facilities could go a long way.

Yeah, but that's what North Korea wants. That starts the War, even (or especially) if the South Korean's are the ones who do that, and the US, who already has thousands of Soldiers patrolling the DMZ at this very moment, is the current speedbump that will be squashed when the North rolls down. Then we move more Soldiers in, whoop some ass, a rocket or something stupid either comes from or "accidently" flies into China, and they get uppity and side with North Korea and stomp us, and next thing you know the Russians and nuclear warheads and people like me never get to see their wife and kids again.

No thanks.

Wrider
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 09:07 AM
I say we send in a single nuke to the capital city right where "Mr. Herrrrroooooo" lives. After he is gone who else is going to try to stand up against the US in the destroyed capital?

Cat118!
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 09:07 AM
I have family over there!! My moms brothers, sisters, and my cousin just had a baby girl....this is no bueno!

PsychoMike
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 09:12 AM
I see only one solution....

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/mm3-launch.jpg

A plane trail wont elp us here lol

rforsythe
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 09:24 AM
Yeah, but that's what North Korea wants. That starts the War, even (or especially) if the South Korean's are the ones who do that, and the US, who already has thousands of Soldiers patrolling the DMZ at this very moment, is the current speedbump that will be squashed when the North rolls down. Then we move more Soldiers in, whoop some ass, a rocket or something stupid either comes from or "accidently" flies into China, and they get uppity and side with North Korea and stomp us, and next thing you know the Russians and nuclear warheads and people like me never get to see their wife and kids again.

No thanks.

Yeah, I hear ya, but at some point someone is going to decide to stop bending over. Right now NK just sinks ships and shells homes and people just say "aww you so bad, don't do it again". Korean peace will never happen with the current political mindset in NK, which has just installed a fresh new dictator to continue it for another generation. I am pretty sure Korean War Part Deuce is inevitable once they push that limit too far. If they actually launch something into mainland SK it's likely going to be over in hours, because NK will unleash the massive artillery they have along the border aimed south (capable of leveling most of SK), and SK/US/NATO/etc will retaliate with every means of conventional warfare possible. If NK then launches anything resembling a nuclear weapon they will be glassed.

I hope cooler heads prevail, but if this is what NK wants, it will keep testing the limits farther and farther until it's able to provoke KW2. Hopefully the rest of the world understands this and prevents it from escalating into WW3.

Sarge
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 09:27 AM
I get that, but let somebody else do it. The US has done too much.

rforsythe
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 10:00 AM
I get that, but let somebody else do it. The US has done too much.

We are the ones with a major military presence stationed on the front line (I know they aren't right at the DMZ, but not too far away). Any attack on SK's mainland, hence the US, will be deemed an act of war against the US, which will involve a fairly definitive response. Because we are a member of NATO (an attack on a member of NATO is considered an attack on ALL members of NATO, per its charter), other countries will be compelled to act.

It's assured destruction for NK if it happens and I don't think that's what they want, which is probably what is limiting their provocations to gray-areas and disputed territory.

jbnwc
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 10:08 AM
I get that, but let somebody else do it. The US has done too much.

I totally agree that the US is already doing too much, but at the same time we must let our rhetoric consist of complete and total defense of SK. The last time the US said that we'd stay out of the affairs of the Korean peninsula we ended up with the Korean War. If we don't SAY that we will do everything to protect the South, the North will see it as an opportunity to attack, just as they did in the past.

Ghost
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 11:12 AM
You'd think an ABL could smoke a certain someone's car/house/head and resolve a lot of the issues.

Pity we're not like Israel or this whole thing could've been solved a long time ago.

Snowman
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 11:57 AM
Can’t someone somewhere put together an assignation plot where Kim Jong Il gets infected and dies from the clap?

MetaLord 9
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 12:22 PM
Can’t someone somewhere put together an assignation plot where Kim Jong Il gets infected and dies from the clap?
Pretty sure that would involve somebody sexing him and THAT would be the hardest part to put together I'd think...

Snowman
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 12:40 PM
Pretty sure that would involve somebody sexing him and THAT would be the hardest part to put together I'd think...Where the hell is Bi-Sexual Brittney when her country needs her?

asp_125
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 12:46 PM
It's really a shame that governments or private groups don't employ more ninja assassins. I'm sure there are mercenaries willing to do the job for what a million bucks?

Airreed
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 12:56 PM
This is ugly all around....and hopefully the senior politicians/leaders can make it right before the military(s) have to step in which will result in tens of thousands of deaths.
The US will not use nukes...too much collteral damage.
The US miltary is streched too thin now (Iraq, Afganistan). We cannot support a 3 pronged war for very long. Not alot of extra troops to stage in Korea (NG and USAR are all tapped to the max. too).

There is no "easy answer" to this....and I for one do not want to pack my bags and head to Korea in the forseen future.

rforsythe
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 12:56 PM
Where the hell is Bi-Sexual Brittney when her country needs her?

Ninja Baby Jesus is going to kill you for mentioning that name.

veteran_80
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 01:56 PM
Not to sound crazy but any conflict in korea could very well turn into world war 3 with some big players... I think its pretty safe to assume that NK would be backed by Iran, Russia( the ussr didn't die they just went bankrupt and will return ) China... That'll be hellava war folks... Haveing two deployments under my belt as an Infantryman I can safely say that's one fight I wouldn't be itching for... Just sayin

Snowman
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 01:57 PM
Ninja Baby Jesus is going to kill you for mentioning that name.Sorry but that chic is the ultimate convert biological warfare delivery system.

Mr. Kim has been known to kidnap actresses to make movies. Just send her in under the cover of making her next really bad porn and let her do what she does best… Problem solved. :up:

Ghost
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 02:01 PM
This is ugly all around....and hopefully the senior politicians/leaders can make it right before the military(s) have to step in which will result in tens of thousands of deaths.
The US will not use nukes...too much collteral damage.
The US miltary is streched too thin now (Iraq, Afganistan). We cannot support a 3 pronged war for very long. Not alot of extra troops to stage in Korea (NG and USAR are all tapped to the max. too).

There is no "easy answer" to this....and I for one do not want to pack my bags and head to Korea in the forseen future.

Which are all reasons why NK is sabre-rattling, it knows we're too much of a paper tiger to do much other than protest.

And, should they become truly belligerent then we will be pulled in, prepared or not.

Dietrich_R1
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 06:55 PM
Couple years ago I was told that S. Korean military officers were asked who was their biggest enemy concerns....

1) 34% said the US
2) 33% said N. Korea

We pissed off a country that completely idolized us. Well, I guess they'll come back to us now!!!!!

chanke4252
Tue Nov 23rd, 2010, 07:07 PM
http://durhamregion.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d0c269e201156fb2f16a970c-800wi

salsashark
Wed Nov 24th, 2010, 06:46 AM
:banghead:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL3E6MN0SQ20101124

Keyser Soze
Wed Nov 24th, 2010, 06:54 AM
Sweet Jebus. $$$

asp_125
Wed Nov 24th, 2010, 07:56 AM
Oh sure, let's throw some gasoline on the fire. And what is the most pressing thing on the President's to-do list today? Pardon a couple of turkeys, AFTER which he will deal with the Korean situation. :rolleyes:

50sGrl
Wed Nov 24th, 2010, 09:12 AM
Oh sure, let's throw some gasoline on the fire.

+1

Too soon.

Ghost
Wed Nov 24th, 2010, 10:54 AM
It's almost a requirement that we send an aircraft carrier to the region after something like this. We did it when NK fired missiles at SK and when they sank the SK vessel.

It shows our support for SK (and Japan), our intention to block NK aggression, a not-so-subtle "China stay out of it" message, and if we didn't then NK would take that as a sign of weakness.

NK, by this point, must *expect* that we'll send a carrier since we always have in the past and always will.

Ultimately, it means little/nothing, it's just the next step in the dance.

NK will piss about and push for some form of trade/economic boon, SK and the world will relent and give it to them, and things will quiet down until the next time NK wants something.

Unfortunately, it's that or war, and no one's willing to push that button.

salsashark
Wed Nov 24th, 2010, 11:15 AM
^^Actually, I don't know if it was in the linked article, but I read this morning that the USS GW was already scheduled to go there, they just put the pedal down after the bombing.

IMO, it will give NK something else to bitch about so they can get more food.

Sarge
Wed Nov 24th, 2010, 12:52 PM
There are already several ships in the area, and at least 28,000 American service members. Have been for years.

Shea
Thu Nov 25th, 2010, 10:12 AM
There are already several ships in the area, and at least 28,000 American service members. Have been for years.

And a bunch of Marines, aircraft and ships "in the region" that can be there in hours.

CaptGoodvibes
Thu Nov 25th, 2010, 11:24 AM
I always enjoy Seoul and the people there when I have business. I hope nothing escalates.

BrandonR1
Sat Nov 27th, 2010, 12:07 PM
nuke the cunts

rforsythe
Mon Nov 29th, 2010, 07:19 AM
On Monday, South Korean President Lee Myung-bak said South Korea will "firmly" respond to future provocations from North Korea and declared that his nation "cannot remain patient" in the face of continued hostility from Pyongyang. "Fellow citizens, at this point, actions are more important than words," Lee said in a televised address. "Please have trust in the government and the military and support us."

Calling North Korea's bluff... Hopefully this does not turn ugly, sounds like everyone is bulking up their armament down there. While I feel NK needs a reality check, I also work with a lot of people in Seoul and know a lot of US soldiers who'd be affected by any escalation (since any escalation at this point is resumption of war, with a lot bigger bombs).

Bueller
Mon Nov 29th, 2010, 12:35 PM
Saber rattling.

Sarge
Mon Nov 29th, 2010, 12:46 PM
Calling North Korea's bluff... Hopefully this does not turn ugly, sounds like everyone is bulking up their armament down there. While I feel NK needs a reality check, I also work with a lot of people in Seoul and know a lot of US soldiers who'd be affected by any escalation (since any escalation at this point is resumption of war, with a lot bigger bombs).

Is it North Korea's bluff, or China's? Who's really got the balls in this situation?

rforsythe
Mon Nov 29th, 2010, 01:19 PM
Is it North Korea's bluff, or China's? Who's really got the balls in this situation?

Depends. If SK and the US stop conceding to NK and buying them off just because they throw tantrums, we'll find out pretty quickly just how big their balls are. I doubt we've seen the last of them attacking SK however, and at some point SK has no choice but to retaliate militarily. The only thing keeping them from doing it right now is the obscene amount of artillery aimed at Seoul, but even that won't prevent conflict forever. War is fairly imminent on that continent once again, and it would not take much at all to spark it.