2012 Chevy Camaro ZL-1

[Ghost]

Since we had the Mustang thread, here's it's opposite--the $54k Camaro ZL-1

http://www.chevrolet.com/assets/en/images/model/2012/camarozl1/overview/12_ch_cam_zl1_ovr_powertrain_01.jpg

It even has one of these:
http://www.chevrolet.com/assets/en/images/model/2012/camarozl1/overview/12_ch_cam_zl1_ovr_brakinghandling_04.jpg



http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1-sports-car/


BARELY STREET LEGAL
When Engineers Dream
The 2012 Camaro ZL1 is the highest-performing production Camaro of all time. It is literally like nothing you've ever driven before. Built to be track-capable right from the showroom, and tested on some of the most rigorous tracks around the world, including the Nürburgring, where it clocked in at 7:41:23. This is the car every engineer dreams about building. Every racer dreams about tearing around the track. And every owner dreams about—a sports car that looks mean, but feels comfortable and docile enough for daily driving.
In 1969, 69 regular-production Camaros were installed with ZL1 all-aluminum racing engines. In that moment, those mythical 69 cars became the pinnacle in Camaro performance.
6.2L SC V8 Engine
The 580-horsepower, 556 lb.-ft. of torque, 6.2-liter supercharged V8 engine can be mated to a Tremec® 6-speed manual (MG9) or HydraMatic® 6L90 automatic transmission. This aluminum-block engine is based on GM's legendary small block V8 architecture and features an intercooled supercharger system and premium heat-resistant aluminum alloy cylinder heads.


Eaton® Supercharger
The uniquely designed sixth-generation intercooled 1.9-liter Eaton® supercharger gives ZL1 additional thrust and more force. The 4-lobed supercharger enables a broad range of power through the rpm band, giving the engine great low-end torque and excellent horsepower at the range where a supercharger generally loses its effectiveness.


Fwiw, I still think it's too big, too fat, and too heavy, and I wish all the "muscle cars" (Camaro/Mustang/Challenger) were about 3/4 scale, but...it's cool for what it is, and it'll probably do some mean burnouts and donuts...

[Rhino41]

Still american

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Since we had the Mustang thread, here's it's opposite--the $54k Camaro ZL-1

http://www.chevrolet.com/assets/en/images/model/2012/camarozl1/overview/12_ch_cam_zl1_ovr_powertrain_01.jpg

It even has one of these:
http://www.chevrolet.com/assets/en/images/model/2012/camarozl1/overview/12_ch_cam_zl1_ovr_brakinghandling_04.jpg



http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1-sports-car/

6.2L SC V8 Engine
The 580-horsepower, 556 lb.-ft. of torque, 6.2-liter supercharged V8 engine can be mated to a Tremec® 6-speed manual (MG9) or HydraMatic® 6L90 automatic transmission. This aluminum-block engine is based on GM's legendary small block V8 architecture and features an intercooled supercharger system and premium heat-resistant aluminum alloy cylinder heads.


Eaton® Supercharger
The uniquely designed sixth-generation intercooled 1.9-liter Eaton® supercharger gives ZL1 additional thrust and more force. The 4-lobed supercharger enables a broad range of power through the rpm band, giving the engine great low-end torque and excellent horsepower at the range where a supercharger generally loses its effectiveness.


Fwiw, I still think it's too big, too fat, and too heavy, and I wish all the "muscle cars" (Camaro/Mustang/Challenger) were about 3/4 scale, but...it's cool for what it is, and it'll probably do some mean burnouts and donuts...
Ignore it at your peril, I'll bet it will eat Subies for lunch. :):yumyum:

I figured it was only a matter of time, and I'm sure it'll be relatively easy to bring it up to (or past) the 600+hp of the 'Vette engine. Yes, it and especially the Challenger are too heavy, especially compared to the MustWang, but, I'm sure this thing will RAWK!

[Keyser Soze]

Should be pretty quick....for an overweight pig. I doubt it competes with the Boss or GT500 tho. And damn that thing is fugly :lol:

[mastap07]

that thing is siick!

[Clovis]

Eaton® Supercharger
The uniquely designed sixth-generation intercooled 1.9-liter Eaton® supercharger gives ZL1 additional thrust and more force. The 4-lobed supercharger enables a broad range of power through the rpm band, giving the engine great low-end torque and excellent horsepower at the range where a supercharger generally loses its effectiveness.


Yep, no sex in car advertising here! :rock::rock:

I love go-kart like handling in the corners but there's just something about raw acceleration from a stand still that makes me happy inside.

[Ghost]

Still american

Made in Canada


Ignore it at your peril, I'll bet it will eat Subies for lunch. :):yumyum:

I figured it was only a matter of time, and I'm sure it'll be relatively easy to bring it up to (or past) the 600+hp of the 'Vette engine. Yes, it and especially the Challenger are too heavy, especially compared to the MustWang, but, I'm sure this thing will RAWK!

Eat a Subie? Not in the canyons, or in...snow, or rain, or gravel...

But, it does 0-60 in 3.9, so it might get the jump off the line (4.5-4.7sec for my GD, 4.7-4.9 for the GRs). And, I'm sure it's just a few tweaks away from 600+ HP.

Again, if it wasn't so damn big and heavy I'd be excited. My 4th Gen was heavy and it was something like 600-800lbs lighter than this thing.


I love go-kart like handling in the corners but there's just something about raw acceleration from a stand still that makes me happy inside.

I admit that I love the odd bout of "hooliganry", big fatty burnouts, donuts, powerslides, "drifting", general fucking around--the STI is great, but it's no hooligan.

[Clovis]

Made in Canada
Eat a Subie? Not in the canyons, or in...snow, or rain, or gravel...


The Subaru WRX! The car of choice for the card carrying liberal racer... oh wait, shit...

[Canuck]

Should be pretty quick....for an overweight pig. I doubt it competes with the Boss or GT500 tho. And damn that thing is fugly :lol:

Yep. :yes:

[Rhino41]

"MADE IN CANADA"


Who is the car made for?

[Ghost]

"MADE IN CANADA"


Who is the car made for?

By demographics?

Mostly white males in their 50s with a median income of $80k

[Rhino41]

Where would they be living?

[Keyser Soze]

Eat a Subie? Not in the canyons, or in...snow, or rain, or gravel...

But, it does 0-60 in 3.9, so it might get the jump off the line (4.5-4.7sec for my GD, 4.7-4.9 for the GRs). And, I'm sure it's just a few tweaks away from 600+ HP.

Are you saying your subie is a few tweaks away from 600?


I've seen foxbody's work STI's up through the canyons. Just cause it's RWD doesn't mean it can't handle. Shit, just look up griggs racing. As far as snow and gravel....it's a Camaro with a long history of RoadRacing...not WRC. I don't think anyone is going into the dealer thinking it'll do good in the snow. 2 totally different animals. The WRX is a fantastic little car, but it's not the best thing ever to have graced the world of motorport, like all the owners think :lol:

I am not a GM fan in any way, but this car is going to be pretty impressive. But, like all GM products, they could have done better :lol:

[Clovis]

You're right, two completely different animals. Not to mention a brand new WRX can be had for $24,000 and the STi variant for about $10,000 more.

A far cry from a (nearly) $60,000 Camero, but still, raw power in a straight line! Yummy!


Are you saying your subie is a few tweaks away from 600?


I've seen foxbody's work STI's up through the canyons. Just cause it's RWD doesn't mean it can't handle. Shit, just look up griggs racing. As far as snow and gravel....it's a Camaro with a long history of RoadRacing...not WRC. I don't think anyone is going into the dealer thinking it'll do good in the snow. 2 totally different animals. The WRX is a fantastic little car, but it's not the best thing ever to have graced the world of motorport, like all the owners think :lol:

I am not a GM fan in any way, but this car is going to be pretty impressive. But, like all GM products, they could have done better :lol:

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Made in Canada
Well, it IS the 51st state...... :)


Eat a Subie? Not in the canyons, or in...snow, or rain, or gravel...
I'll concede on the snow or gravel, and probably rain as well, but don't discount it in the canyons simply because it's RWD. There are plenty of RWD cars that will eat a Subie or Evo on track, like my buddy's Z06.

But, it does 0-60 in 3.9, so it might get the jump off the line (4.5-4.7sec for my GD, 4.7-4.9 for the GRs). And, I'm sure it's just a few tweaks away from 600+ HP.
Yep, 600+hp EASY.

Again, if it wasn't so damn big and heavy I'd be excited. My 4th Gen was heavy and it was something like 600-800lbs lighter than this thing.
Yeah, they could lighten it up, but realize that it's always going to have to be stiffer than a Subie because of the close to 100% increase in torque.

I admit that I love the odd bout of "hooliganry", big fatty burnouts, donuts, powerslides, "drifting", general fucking around--the STI is great, but it's no hooligan.
You kids are too young to have a proper appreciation of the muscle-care era........ :)

[Clovis]

Also too young to remember standing in lines over a block long just to buy gas... :jawdrop:


You kids are too young to have a proper appreciation of the muscle-care era........ :)

[Rhino41]

Is "muscle-care era" code for heavy, drum breaks, auto-trans, poor handling cars that come from the US?

[Keyser Soze]

You're right, two completely different animals. Not to mention a brand new WRX can be had for $24,000 and the STi variant for about $10,000 more.

A far cry from a (nearly) $60,000 Camero, but still, raw power in a straight line! Yummy!

36k for an STi is insane to me. Great little cars, but that's a ton of money for hot hatch. 60k for the Camaro is stupid too...although that LSA is one hell of a motor capable of A LOT more power. Curious to see what Livernois does with it.

[Ghost]

Are you saying your subie is a few tweaks away from 600?

No, saying the ZL1 is close to 600 as is, a few mods and it's there.



I've seen foxbody's work STI's up through the canyons. Just cause it's RWD doesn't mean it can't handle. The problem with American RWD is that the manufacturers fear lawsuits, so most are saddled with ponderous understeer, which really kills the canyon fun. You can overcome it with throttle, but most inexperienced drivers will overdo it and loop the car. My N/A AWD Impreza 2.5 RS was way more fun in the canyons than my Z28 ever was (though I still ran the Z28 for the hell of it), the RS was light and flickable even when down massively on power. The Z28 had to be muscled and goaded to run canyons, heavy understeer then oversteer, then back to understeer for the next entry, all the while the brakes struggling with (for mine) 3500lbs of mass.

Camaros are just too fat, too heavy, and while they once raced in Trans-Am and SCCA in the 60s, they're not known for handling prowess--they're stoplight bullies and drag queens. Both of which this one should do well at, the idea that this is a "track day" car...I'm not buying it.

The Boss 302 LS is more of a track day car, this...I'm not so sure.

CM made the initial comparison to the Subies, and all I'm saying is that even an idiot can go faster in a WRX than they could in a ZL1 (not that I'm condoning going fast on public roads).


I am not a GM fan in any way, but this car is going to be pretty impressive. But, like all GM products, they could have done better :lol:I think this could have been amazing, but it's just...not quite there.


You're right, two completely different animals. Not to mention a brand new WRX can be had for $24,000 and the STi variant for about $10,000 more.

A far cry from a (nearly) $60,000 Camero, but still, raw power in a straight line! Yummy!

I assume the ZL1 will fulfill its designers main purpose--Endless drunken burnouts outside Hooters for Viagra-popping 55yr olds trying to relive the lost "glory days" of heavy, slow cars that they remember being faster than they actually were...


You kids are too young to have a proper appreciation of the muscle-care era........ :)

Fat, heavy, slow, poor-handling, what are we missing? :p

[Clovis]

I agree, that's why I opted for a WRX and not the STi. I couldn't see justifying $10,000 more for 40 more HP, beefer suspension and a 6spd (all though nearly bullet proof) versus 5spd transmission.

My driving is 99% commuting/errands and 1% hooligan.


36k for an STi is insane to me. Great little cars, but that's a ton of money for hot hatch. 60k for the Camaro is stupid too...although that LSA is one hell of a motor capable of A LOT more power. Curious to see what Livernois does with it.

[Clovis]

Ghost... I love it when we agree. Let's not fight anymore baby! No more politicial threads... awww come here! :oops::oops::oops:

Remember, remember the climb up Berthoud Pass...

(You were hauling ass, I was having a hard time catching up!)



I assume the ZL1 will fulfill its designers main purpose--Endless drunken burnouts outside Hooters for Viagra-popping 55yr olds trying to relive the lost "glory days" of heavy, slow cars that they remember being faster than they actually were...



Fat, heavy, slow, poor-handling, what are we missing? :p

[Ghost]

I agree, that's why I opted for a WRX and not the STi. I couldn't see justifying $10,000 more for 40 more HP, beefer suspension and a 6spd (all though nearly bullet proof) versus 5spd transmission.

My driving is 99% commuting/errands and 1% hooligan.

Track days.

Brembos alone make the STI worth the extra $$, the 6mt can take abuse all day long, and the DCCD (and its related sensors) maximize every ounce of grip (making 3 diffs in all), the stiffer/lower suspension, the HIDs are fantastic for nights in the canyons, for $10k I think the little bits all make the STI "worth it".

[Ghost]

Ghost... I love it when we agree. Let's not fight anymore baby! No more politicial threads... awww come here! :oops::oops::oops:

Remember, remember the climb up Berthoud Pass...

(You were hauling ass, I was having a hard time catching up!)

Lol, We'll always have Paris! (er, Berthoud!)


Opposites attract, guess that's why I still love you, Right-wing, goose-stepping Nazi that you are. ;)

[asp_125]

Every middle-aged balding guy wants a Hot Wheels in his garage.. so they can re-live their glory days in high school, and cruise LoDo. They are the car equivalents of Harleys.

The hooligan potential of one is endless. I'll take one in hugger orange, and throw in an extra set of rear tires while you're at it.

[Clovis]

Awww, how sweet!


Lol, We'll always have Paris! (er, Berthoud!)


Opposites attract, guess that's why I still love you, Right-wing, goose-stepping Nazi that you are. ;)

[Ghost]

And, fwiw, don't get me wrong--I love that there still ARE cars like the Camaro and Mustang, I love RWD V8s, I love the idea of a hooligan car that's terrible at everything yet (probably) stupidly fun to drive.

The only issue, for me, is that once you're in that price range why not get a (new or used) M3 instead? Refined driving, capable at the track, in the canyons, or...doing massive burnouts if you want.

For me, the "perfect" Camaro ZL1 would've been slightly smaller, lighter, and with a more track-focused approach and better handling.

I don't get why American manufacturers keep making the same old shit--the cars of the 1960s were great IN 1968, stop trying to recreate them Now.

Make a fully modern RWD V8 6MT and then let's go have some fun.

Hyundai's coming out with a V8 Genesis Coupe, and that's probably more of what Gm and Ford should make--lightweight (relatively), V8, RWD, Cheap and Fun...

[asp_125]

...

Make a fully modern RWD V8 6MT and then let's go have some fun.
..

Cadillac CTS-V ... 6pot Brembos, Vette motor.. holds lap record for a sedan at the 'ring. 7:59:32 in 2009, fastest production sedan.

[Keyser Soze]

I'd take the maint./repair costs of the Camaro over a Bimmer any day! :lol: I've heard nothing but bad things about the 2.0t Genesis Coupe, wondering if this 5.0 is gonna be as bad. IMO when it's that cheap, you get what you pay for.

[asp_125]

Domestic manufacturers do what they do best, stuff a honking big motor in a "cheap" platform and call it good. For years the 5.0 Mustang was the best bang for the buck, but don't expect refinement. Even in the Z06, I see switchgear and vents that you can get off a Solstice or Malibu.

Real GTs are the domain of cars like the Skyline, M series Bimmers, Audi's S cars, etc.

[Ghost]

Cadillac CTS-V ... 6pot Brembos, Vette motor.. holds lap record for a sedan at the 'ring. 7:59:32 in 2009, fastest production sedan.

The ZL-1 just did it in 7:41.27 ;)

But, if it didn't smell of Old Spice and Golf Bags, I'd consider a CTS-V--when I'm 50...:lol:


I'd take the maint./repair costs of the Camaro over a Bimmer any day! :lol: I've heard nothing but bad things about the 2.0t Genesis Coupe, wondering if this 5.0 is gonna be as bad. IMO when it's that cheap, you get what you pay for.

True, but when it's $25k versus $60k, that's a lot of savings--and Hyundai's got the 10yr warranty, so unless you're modding it out of warranty, it's all free...


Domestic manufacturers do what they do best, stuff a honking big motor in a "cheap" platform and call it good. For years the 5.0 Mustang was the best bang for the buck, but don't expect refinement. Even in the Z06, I see switchgear and vents that you can get off a Solstice or Malibu.

Real GTs are the domain of cars like the Skyline, M series Bimmers, Audi's S cars, etc.

The thing is, the domestics have European counterparts that area (typically) better than what they sell us here--and that's annoying.

[Keyser Soze]

I'd love the CTS-V for a comfy daily that'll whoop some serious ass

http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/cadillac/cts-v/2010/ns/2010_cadillac_cts-v_f34_ns_102709_815.jpg

Or the G8 GXP M5 Killer..2 GM products I'd own :shocked:

http://www.pontiacpicsite.com/images/2009-pontiac-g8-gxp-9.jpg

[Ghost]

I'd love the CTS-V for a comfy daily that'll whoop some serious ass

http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/cadillac/cts-v/2010/ns/2010_cadillac_cts-v_f34_ns_102709_815.jpg



I actually love how the CTS-V Sedan looks, but the interior doesn't hold up and for the $$, I still think a BMW or Audi would be the better buy.

Still, maybe a CPO CTS-V would be a fun Daily...there's a guy out here with a murdered-out one running 4-port Borlas, sounds pretty damn mean.

[grim]

Bitch Please!!

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/irishrussianpunk/bike/Bugatti_Veyron.jpg

[jbnwc]

There's a man with good taste; good good taste.


I'd love the CTS-V for a comfy daily that'll whoop some serious ass

http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/cadillac/cts-v/2010/ns/2010_cadillac_cts-v_f34_ns_102709_815.jpg

Or the G8 GXP M5 Killer..2 GM products I'd own :shocked:

http://www.pontiacpicsite.com/images/2009-pontiac-g8-gxp-9.jpg

[jbnwc]

Having owned a GM small block v8 sedan, I can never imagine going back to a 6cyl or turbo4 again, regardless of gas prices. The sound alone is worth every penny. I like WRX's, but the sound they put out makes me think they are running on 3 cylinders.

[Ghost]

Having owned a GM small block v8 sedan, I can never imagine going back to a 6cyl or turbo4 again, regardless of gas prices. The sound alone is worth every penny. I like WRX's, but the sound they put out makes me think they are running on 3 cylinders.

You can get equal-length headers for the boxer, but then they'll sound worse--like a farting Honda.
As it is, I like the loping rumble of the unequal-length headers on a WRX/STI, and it's a distinctive sound I can pick out of a crowd, even at a track day.

BUT, you're correct--the old rumble of my LT-1 was far, far superior all across the rev range...it's a sound I really do miss.

And, more than just the sound, I miss the landslide of torque at low revs.

As to MPG, on the highway in 6th I was loping at just over over idle, and could get 30mpg at ~70mph...my STI gets...um...less...much less than my old V8 did...unless I was beating it at the track, then they both get about 13mpg...

Fine. I'm sold--someone buy me a CTS-V or ZL-1 for Xmas. :p

[jbnwc]

And, more than just the sound, I miss the landslide of torque at low revs.



^^^^This too. I love how turbos come on with a wave of torque, but even better is when you accidentally blip the throttle on a big V8 from idle and the tires break loose before you even have a chance to pull your coffee away from your mouth.

Instant Gratification.

...and coffee burns.

[Ghost]

^^^^This too. I love how turbos come on with a wave of torque, but even better is when you accidentally blip the throttle on a big V8 from idle and the tires break loose before you even have a chance to pull your coffee away from your mouth.

Instant Gratification.

...and coffee burns.

Yep. My Camaro had this beautiful little side-step she'd do when she'd launch, just kind of wiggle her hips before the weight transfer would plant the rear tires and she'd settle in and straighten out.

But, even at a full stop you could just blip the throttle and the whole car would twitch, it was pretty damn cool--and something my EJ 25 just can't pull off.

...I miss that car... :(

[Rhino41]

Wow thought some people from a motorcycle forum would have gotten the power to weight thing figured out.


Laugh

Still American minds

[Ghost]

Wow thought some people from a motorcycle forum would have gotten the power to weight thing figured out.


Laugh

Still American minds


Power-to-Weight has little to nothing to do with Shits-And-Giggles.

[Rhino41]

Shits and giggles come from paying less for something that goes faster.


Thanks for making my point for me

[Keyser Soze]

Wow thought some people from a motorcycle forum would have gotten the power to weight thing figured out.


Laugh

Still American minds

The words "pompous ass" come to mind...

[Rhino41]

Explain to me how that makes me a "pompous ass" ?

[Rhino41]

The same reason most people choose to by a r1, cbr1000, ect over say a ducati or a aprilia.

Is bang for buck.

[brennahm]

Does he get this year's Vellos Award?

[McVaaahhh]

Whole conversation makes me think of this:

http://www.oneloud302.com/images/motivation/demotivational-posters-torque.jpg

[McVaaahhh]

I agree on the Bang 4 buck does not necessarily outweigh shits & giggles.

If I had that kind of money I would have a lightweight, track-day car like a WRX, Lotus, Ariel Atom, etc. and I would have a neck-snapping, tire-devastating muscle car (old or new).

Example, I had my RC-51 for street use: Shits & Giggles
and I had my '99 R6 for track-days: Bang 4 buck

Whatever makes your wallet lighter and your smile brighter! :cheers:

[Rhino41]

I agree on the Bang 4 buck does not necessarily outweigh shits & giggles.

If I had that kind of money I would have a lightweight, track-day car like a WRX, Lotus, Ariel Atom, etc. and I would have a neck-snapping, tire-devastating muscle car (old or new).

Example, I had my RC-51 for street use: Shits & Giggles
and I had my '99 R6 for track-days: Bang 4 buck

Whatever makes your wallet lighter and your smile brighter! :cheers:


So straight up you have more fun on the street with the RC or on the track with the R6?

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Fat, heavy, slow, poor-handling, what are we missing? :p
Big smokey burnouts and that big-block sond? :)

Dunno about slow, they were hella fast for the day, and those Max Wedge Mopars, and the Ford Thunderbolts would do 11's, easy, pretty much right off the showroom floor. ;)

[jbnwc]

Whatever makes your wallet lighter and your smile brighter! :cheers:

^^^THIS

As long as you are happy than it's the right vehicle for you. Just enjoy the ride.

When I'm in a turbo4 w/AWD, I love the psssst from the blowoff valve, the forgiveness of the handling, and the power that isn't lost at altitude.

When I'm in my V8 Pontiac GP, I love the rumble, the instant torque, the fact that I've got two kiddos in the huge backseat, and that you can't get this much power for less money.

You gotta love each car for its own reasons if you're a true car guy.

[ATL]

I'd love the CTS-V for a comfy daily that'll whoop some serious ass

http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/cadillac/cts-v/2010/ns/2010_cadillac_cts-v_f34_ns_102709_815.jpg

Or the G8 GXP M5 Killer..2 GM products I'd own :shocked:

http://www.pontiacpicsite.com/images/2009-pontiac-g8-gxp-9.jpg

M5 killer?

Hahahaha...

Thanks! I needed a good laugh,
-Chris

[Ghost]

Does he get this year's Vellos Award?

To early to tell, still have to see how many n00bs he crashes out...

[Ghost]

Big smokey burnouts and that big-block sond? :)



Yeah, I can see that, I guess.


^^^THIS

As long as you are happy than it's the right vehicle for you. Just enjoy the ride.

When I'm in a turbo4 w/AWD, I love the psssst from the blowoff valve, the forgiveness of the handling, and the power that isn't lost at altitude.

When I'm in my V8 Pontiac GP, I love the rumble, the instant torque, the fact that I've got two kiddos in the huge backseat, and that you can't get this much power for less money.

You gotta love each car for its own reasons if you're a true car guy.


Yep, even shitty cars (or bikes) can have their charm, and I've loved many a POS that didn't "add up" on paper.

True car guys can find faults endearing and flaws become "character".

[Rhino41]

To early to tell, still have to see how many n00bs he crashes out...



What does this mean ??

[Rhino41]

Better yet what does it have to do with the topic?

[mxer]

Track days.

Brembos alone make the STI worth the extra $$, the 6mt can take abuse all day long, and the DCCD (and its related sensors) maximize every ounce of grip (making 3 diffs in all), the stiffer/lower suspension, the HIDs are fantastic for nights in the canyons, for $10k I think the little bits all make the STI "worth it".

Also it makes it worth when driving and see one say dang I should have got the STI.

With the incentives a few years ago, I got one for about 4k above the WRX.

I love the brakes and tranny too

[FZRguy]

I like it!

[derekm]

subarus with any exhaust other than stock sound like sharts from this gross guy I work with..... and although I'm a fomoco guy I heart the big 3 hp wars :)

[Ghost]

Also it makes it worth when driving and see one say dang I should have got the STI.

With the incentives a few years ago, I got one for about 4k above the WRX.

I love the brakes and tranny too

The real "steal" for the WRX (not STI) was when GM dropped the Saabaru and had $5k rebates on them. My cousin got his for under Invoice plus the $5k rebate...they practically gave him the car...

The downside to the STI over the WRX is that every jackhole in a Civic Si or Toyota Corolla S (don't ask me why) wants to race you, and every Cop thinks you're in the FATF crowd...but, so it goes.


subarus with any exhaust other than stock sound like sharts from this gross guy I work with..... and although I'm a fomoco guy I heart the big 3 hp wars :)

Why are you listening to some dude's sharts? You guys potty together?

[Keyser Soze]

The downside to the STI over the WRX is that every jackhole in a Civic Si or Toyota Corolla S (don't ask me why) wants to race you, and every Cop thinks you're in the FATF crowd...but, so it goes.


:lol: Downside to having a GTO is every emo haired STI owner wants to run from a dig at every light :doublefinger:

[McVaaahhh]

So straight up you have more fun on the street with the RC or on the track with the R6?

I love them both.

But, for me, two completely different experiences. I DO NOT drag knee in the canyons so the RC works out fantastically. It's not as nimble and flickable as the R6 but I love the gobs of torque available anywhere in the rev range. With that said, I took it to ride The Dragon and loved every minute of it!

The R6 is a perfect track toy (I was not racing). Light, cheap, plenty of parts to be found when the inevitable happens, and a complete blast to learn race-speeds on. Yeah, many will argue about a bigger bike, but I can't tell you how many times I'd have someone on a 1K blow by me down the straight only to pass them back 2 turns later...

For my riding style those two worked perfectly for what I used them for and would not have wanted to transpose them. *Your results may vary

If I had to choose one, I would've picked the RC hands-down. Your talking about several thousand miles on that every year vs. 5-10 trackdays on the R6, and the RC would've sufficed for a few trackdays if needed.


For me, personally I would have to take the Camaro/Muscle-car over the trackday/WRX as it would be a better tool for 95% of the work I'd do with it.

[Ghost]

:lol: Downside to having a GTO is every emo haired STI owner wants to run from a dig at every light :doublefinger:

Really? I think you're confusing "Metrosexual" with "Emo", look more carefully next time, you'll see I'm right.

And, either way, maybe be the sad, fat, balding man in the GTO inspires them to put down the Starbucks and take a shot. :p

[FZRguy]

I'll settle for a ZR1 Corvette.

[mastap07]

the zr1 would be pretty sweet if you had the budget but if you dont have the budget for it, just get it in this little guy.... it starts at $65k...:hump:


Chicago 2011: Cadillac CTS-V Coupe Black Diamond Edition Is Fashionably Late

http://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/DSC_0231-1024x680.jpg


The V package gives the CTS the same 6.2-liter V8engine (http://www.worldcarfans.com/109071420467/cadillac-cts-v-coupe-confirmed-by-lutz#) found on the Corvette ZR1. Using the 556 horsepower engine that produces up to 551 ft-lb of torque

[sloridr]

M5 Christmas card (http://fastestchristmascard.ch/?setlang=en)

/thread jack sorry...

[mdub]

I'd love the CTS-V for a comfy daily that'll whoop some serious ass


my uncle has the 05 and he says its not what it is all crack'd up to be..probably over the few yrs it has gotten better. I saw a two door sport and he rip it like he stole it. Hell i'd do same too.

[asp_125]

The early ones only had 400hp, but the more I see them (CTS-V) the more I like them.

[jbnwc]

I drove a new CTS-V last winter. It's impossible not to smile when you drive that thing. It's ridiculously fast. I also drove a 750hp (at the wheel!) Viper, but the Caddy was soooo much nicer.

[modette99]

Bitch Please!!

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/irishrussianpunk/bike/Bugatti_Veyron.jpg

Please...the Super Sport is where it is at

http://images.gizmag.com/hero/bugattiveyronsupersport-6.jpg

[modette99]

Funny people comparing CTS-V to a Viper and what have you...two different animals. Also funny people comparing WRX's to the Camero.

[Slo]

Figured with IRS and the power, it would have had a better time at the Nur. Made in Canada, didn't know that, but still funny that a little Korean fella designed the camaro, but now works for VW.

[laspariahs]

I drove the 11 CTS-V 2 door, and I'd take that car over anything priced near it.

[Slo]

I drove the 11 CTS-V 2 door, and I'd take that car over anything priced near it.

That was my goal, a 2 or 4 door, however, even used, it's a bit out of my price range. However in another year or two..... :headbang:

[Ghost]

That was my goal, a 2 or 4 door, however, even used, it's a bit out of my price range. However in another year or two..... :headbang:

Used GT-Rs are now in the high 50s/low 60s, I think if things ever worked out, I'd go find a nice clean one and make it...dirty.

While some are undoubtedly thrashed and ragged to shit, with that price tag new there's quite a few "older gentlemen" who buy them to putter around in and pretend their penis still works.

[laspariahs]

Used GT-Rs are now in the high 50s/low 60s, I think if things ever worked out, I'd go find a nice clean one and make it...dirty.

While some are undoubtedly thrashed and ragged to shit, with that price tag new there's quite a few "older gentlemen" who buy them to putter around in and pretend their penis still works.

GT-Rs cost a fortune in maintenance to keep.

[Slo]

GT-Rs cost a fortune in maintenance to keep.

Unfortunately I can't afford the brake job on that car....so it's no where near my list of cars to own.

[Ghost]

Unfortunately I can't afford the brake job on that car....so it's no where near my list of cars to own.

Yeah, that is pricey. Though I doubt the CTS-V is much cheaper, I know my STI isn't wallet-friendly in that regard. When I was a service writer it always amused and saddened me when these kids would come in with STIs or used M3s and get the price tag for new brakes...

Still, IF I had the money, it's too awesome a car to not try to own at least once...BUT, luckily, I don't have the money, so I don't have to worry about it. ;)

[laspariahs]

Yeah, that is pricey. Though I doubt the CTS-V is much cheaper, I know my STI isn't wallet-friendly in that regard. When I was a service writer it always amused and saddened me when these kids would come in with STIs or used M3s and get the price tag for new brakes...

Still, IF I had the money, it's too awesome a car to not try to own at least once...BUT, luckily, I don't have the money, so I don't have to worry about it. ;)


Just looked it up, brake pads for the CTS-V will run you 120 a set......

One of the reasons I bought the mustang over the Evo was the cost of things. American cars are just cheap to own, even performance ones. Japanese and Euro performance cars cost a fortune to own.

[jbnwc]

Funny people comparing CTS-V to a Viper and what have you...two different animals. Also funny people comparing WRX's to the Camero.

They are all about fun!! Compare away! Plus, the Viper and CTSV I drove were virtually the same price and the buyer was shopping both, so he was definitely comparing.