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[#1Townie]

http://www.businessinsider.com/descent-into-madness-how-ndaa-and-police-state-brutality-are-destroying-a-generation-2012-1

start doing research.

[#1Townie]

and for you that think you could never be thought of as a terroist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD1T61oTrR8

[#1Townie]

hahaha in two days a post about tebow made seven pages and this has not even goten a response.

[stubbicatt]

Dude, from the moment it was ratified, the Constitution of the United States has been slowly degraded until now, it is only an heirloom in the attic. No longer having any practical use, it is dusted off, and brought out once in awhile to show us "how simple things were in the day."

All governments exist solely to perpetuate themselves. They care not a whit about anything else. US is no different. This Re pube licken in origin Patriot Act is Orwellian in its moniker, and even more so with its wording. This extension of the Patriot Act is absolutely bold and and unabashed legislative repeal of the 4th Amendment. Trials on evidence obtained by torture, an abolition of the 5th and 6th Amendments.

Meh.

Don't speak up! Or next YOU are an enemy combattant.


Oh well, if designated an enemy combattant, and taken to Guantanamo, I wonder what others will say? I think of those two Americans in Yemen ("terrorists") who didn't get a trial, they got a rocket up the ass. Those who favor Mr. Obama's actions in ordering the rocket attack say, the evidence was overwhelming. I don't know, a jury might find differently. A jury found OJ Simpson "not guilty."

This whole "terrorism" designation is something that I pay close attention to. After all, it is a terrorist who attacks the United States' interests with a bomb, but when the United States attacks people in other countries with bombs, I guess that's different?

[Ghost]

This whole "terrorism" designation is something that I pay close attention to. After all, it is a terrorist who attacks the United States' interests with a bomb, but when the United States attacks people in other countries with bombs, I guess that's different?

Careful, Citizen, more statements like that will get you a very personal understanding of the designation "terrorist". :usa:


As to the OP: Yep, we're screwed, our freedoms are gone, and what, exactly are we supposed to do about it?

[#1Townie]

Dude, from the moment it was ratified, the Constitution of the United States has been slowly degraded until now, it is only an heirloom in the attic. No longer having any practical use, it is dusted off, and brought out once in awhile to show us "how simple things were in the day."

All governments exist solely to perpetuate themselves. They care not a whit about anything else. US is no different. This Re pube licken in origin Patriot Act is Orwellian in its moniker, and even more so with its wording. This extension of the Patriot Act is absolutely bold and and unabashed legislative repeal of the 4th Amendment. Trials on evidence obtained by torture, an abolition of the 5th and 6th Amendments.

Meh.

Don't speak up! Or next YOU are an enemy combattant.


Oh well, if designated an enemy combattant, and taken to Guantanamo, I wonder what others will say? I think of those two Americans in Yemen ("terrorists") who didn't get a trial, they got a rocket up the ass. Those who favor Mr. Obama's actions in ordering the rocket attack say, the evidence was overwhelming. I don't know, a jury might find differently. A jury found OJ Simpson "not guilty."

This whole "terrorism" designation is something that I pay close attention to. After all, it is a terrorist who attacks the United States' interests with a bomb, but when the United States attacks people in other countries with bombs, I guess that's different?

now see those are good points but up to this point things like that could not be used against a US citizen. now it is different. i dont agree that people from other countrys should get our rights as they are not..... well... idk... A US CITIZEN! this new bill or should i say law now that it has made it all the way includes US citizens.

good point that our rights over the years have one by one been taken away. this whole argument on what guy did what is mute. this shit has taken alot of time and been done through many different presidents. it is now time to take our eyes off the tv and do something. the news isnt reporting this. infact they are not really reporting anything anymore.

[Ghost]

it is now time to take our eyes off the tv and do something. the news isnt reporting this. infact they are not really reporting anything anymore.

News is bought and sold, and only puts out whatever is acceptable. It's no surprise that this last step--which Obama claimed he opposed but signed into law "despite misgivings"--hasn't been blasted all over the media.

But, again, what, exactly are we to "do"? The world, and this country is run by the power-elites, and they run without needing input or approval from us--so, to be honest, I don't think there's anything we can do.

[#1Townie]

Careful, Citizen, more statements like that will get you a very personal understanding of the designation "terrorist". :usa:


As to the OP: Yep, we're screwed, our freedoms are gone, and what, exactly are we supposed to do about it?

first stop fighting over who did what. we need to come together. they have has us devided. repub... dem... they have both screwed us in what looks like the best rope a dope i ever seen. both of these parties have done nothing but screw the people over and over. im not really old enough to bring to light all the presidents but from the look of things the last prez that really gave a damn about the people was jfk. i mean we are stuck in this two. left right left right. and then when one side has screwed up so bad it seems like the other side finds a even bigger moron to run up against them. this leaves us with deciding over two and having to choose with the lessor of two evils.

my best point here is from nevada. the people of nevada flat out hate harry reid. i mean with a passion. you could have just thrown a random name on the ballet to beat him. but no instead of getting someone with just half a brain the other party could only come up with this nut job that has some idea of banning alcohol.
http://slashpolitics.reviewjournal.com/2010/06/sharron-angle-prohibition-found-it/

in 2010 nevada was number one for people that didnt have jobs. really the only thing you could find a job in was the casinos. how many people are going to go to vegas to party and have fun if they cant drink?
http://www.lvrj.com/business/nevada-_x92-s-unemployment-rate-tops-in-nation-96647594.html

so really everytime we want someone out it seems like all they can do is find some moron that stands no chance of beating the first moron we want out. bush in 08?? come on everyone wanted him out but for some reason out of all the people in this country we couldnt get anyone that could take it from him?

there are some very scary conspiracy theories out there that i used to laugh at. now it kind of makes sense. no matter what party take controll nothing changes and we seem to stay on the same road. i think its time we start to look at these little guys that have dont belong to one side or the other. again doesnt matter what you belive. what side you are on. lets face it both repub and dem have been fucking us for far to long.

[#1Townie]

News is bought and sold, and only puts out whatever is acceptable. It's no surprise that this last step--which Obama claimed he opposed but signed into law "despite misgivings"--hasn't been blasted all over the media.

But, again, what, exactly are we to "do"? The world, and this country is run by the power-elites, and they run without needing input or approval from us--so, to be honest, I don't think there's anything we can do.

it wouldnt be the first time the people took control and power back from the rich.

[Ghost]

it wouldnt be the first time the people took control and power back from the rich.


I agree with your sentiments, I just don't know what, or how we can take back what we never had--the rich have always been in charge, and they always will be...it's the joy of being rich and powerful.

[#1Townie]

start watching whats going on in the interwebs. there are a few hacker groups that are trying to fight. doing a decent job as well. the news will report them as just trying to steal stuff. but if it wasnt for them and this forum i would not heard about this untill maybe a week ago. check out how they are running things. its kind of cool. basically they all share servers or something and talk about what to do. if enough agree to hit something they do it as a whole. and enough dont agree its not hit as the resorces are not there to get the job done. at least they are doing something.

[Ghost]

start watching whats going on in the interwebs. there are a few hacker groups that are trying to fight. doing a decent job as well. the news will report them as just trying to steal stuff. but if it wasnt for them and this forum i would not heard about this untill maybe a week ago. check out how they are running things. its kind of cool. basically they all share servers or something and talk about what to do. if enough agree to hit something they do it as a whole. and enough dont agree its not hit as the resorces are not there to get the job done. at least they are doing something.

I suppose it's something.

Back to your JFK comment, he was before my time, but it seems like JFK, RFK and MLK all tried to do something for the common man--and none of them lived to see any real changes come about...just saying...

[#1Townie]

Agreed. Maybe someone will get this figured out before i have to move to a third world country to be safe. Lol

[Ghost]

Agreed. Maybe someone will get this figured out before i have to move to a third world country to be safe. Lol

Norway and Denmark were just voted the #1 and #2 best places to live for the 3rd year in a row, and Australia and New Zealand are Top 5, so if you can get a work visa and/or emigrate to one of those they'd beat the 3rd World...

Hell, I've friends from NZ, it's always seemed like a great place, and they've always invited me to visit, maybe someday I finally will be able to go check it out...the riding's supposed to be fantastic.

But, yeah, overall, I really wish someone would fix this country for us...

[rforsythe]

Norway and Denmark were just voted the #1 and #2 best places to live for the 3rd year in a row, and Australia and New Zealand are Top 5, so if you can get a work visa and/or emigrate to one of those they'd beat the 3rd World...

Where do they rank in spelling?

(Just making sure Townie can fit in...)

[Ghost]

Where do they rank in spelling?

(Just making sure Townie can fit in...)


Given their literacy rate and the status of their educational system, they probably speak English better than we do...so...yeah... Hooked on Phonics?

[rforsythe]

so...yeah... Hooked on Phonics?

:dunno: werked phor me!

[BlueDog]

So, how does everyone feel about Ron Paul? I support him and judging by the sentiments being given in these posts I'd think he would be someone whose ideals would be attractive to you. He has been speaking out continuously against NDAA, Patriot Act, SOPA, basically any thing passed into law that infringes on our freedoms.

[#1Townie]

Where do they rank in spelling?

(Just making sure Townie can fit in...)ooooooooooo u guy u! Always looking out for me. Lol


Given their literacy rate and the status of their educational system, they probably speak English better than we do...so...yeah... Hooked on Phonics?

Damnit....... third world it is.

[#1Townie]

So, how does everyone feel about Ron Paul? I support him and judging by the sentiments being given in these posts I'd think he would be someone whose ideals would be attractive to you. He has been speaking out continuously against NDAA, Patriot Act, SOPA, basically any thing passed into law that infringes on our freedoms.
That's who im voting for. Last chance I think at getting this place turned in the right direction. After that its third world for me.

[BlueDog]

That's who im voting for. Last chance I think at getting this place turned in the right direction. After that its third world for me.

Good to hear :headbang: Any other candidate and it will be 4 more years of the same, if not worse...

[CaptGoodvibes]

Australia is THE BOMB!!! Quality of life is outstanding!

[Ghost]

Australia is THE BOMB!!! Quality of life is outstanding!

Mass CSC exodus?

[Ezzzzy1]

You have to watch it all and read everything but this might put a lot into perspective....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjBoAQw7bgo

[rforsythe]

So, how does everyone feel about Ron Paul? I support him and judging by the sentiments being given in these posts I'd think he would be someone whose ideals would be attractive to you. He has been speaking out continuously against NDAA, Patriot Act, SOPA, basically any thing passed into law that infringes on our freedoms.

I like him. I think the GOP should consider for a moment that it's not just about getting the most votes in the caucuses, but the fact that Romney will get republican votes in an election whereas RP will likely capture a lot of democratic and independent votes as well. IMO they should go for #2 in their own party to take over the other guys.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Dude, from the moment it was ratified, the Constitution of the United States has been slowly degraded until now, it is only an heirloom in the attic. No longer having any practical use, it is dusted off, and brought out once in awhile to show us "how simple things were in the day."

All governments exist solely to perpetuate themselves. They care not a whit about anything else. US is no different. This Re pube licken in origin Patriot Act is Orwellian in its moniker, and even more so with its wording. This extension of the Patriot Act is absolutely bold and and unabashed legislative repeal of the 4th Amendment. Trials on evidence obtained by torture, an abolition of the 5th and 6th Amendments.

Meh.

Don't speak up! Or next YOU are an enemy combattant.


Oh well, if designated an enemy combattant, and taken to Guantanamo, I wonder what others will say? I think of those two Americans in Yemen ("terrorists") who didn't get a trial, they got a rocket up the ass. Those who favor Mr. Obama's actions in ordering the rocket attack say, the evidence was overwhelming. I don't know, a jury might find differently. A jury found OJ Simpson "not guilty."

This whole "terrorism" designation is something that I pay close attention to. After all, it is a terrorist who attacks the United States' interests with a bomb, but when the United States attacks people in other countries with bombs, I guess that's different?

So, why didn't ObaMao repeal this then?

[Ghost]

So, why didn't ObaMao repeal this then?

Because then the republicans would trounce him for appearing weak on terrorism.

Remind me though, who signed the Patriot Act into law?

The reason they both signed documents to strip Americans of their rights--No president in the era of "The War On TERROR" will veto a bill with the word "terrorist" in it...

[#1Townie]

Because then the republicans would trounce him for appearing weak on terrorism.

Remind me though, who signed the Patriot Act into law?

The reason they both signed documents to strip Americans of their rights--No president in the era of "The War On TERROR" will veto a bill with the word "terrorist" in it...

yeah wasnt one of obamas promises had something to do with eliminating the patroit act? im going to go look for it.

[Ghost]

http://joecarr.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/political-promises-web.jpg
yeah wasnt one of obamas promises had something to do with eliminating the patroit act? im going to go look for it.

[CaptGoodvibes]

Mass CSC exodus?

I've already hit the age cutoff for my skillset. :/ They have a rule; you have to be the best qualified for the position including all Aussie citizens, and you can't be too old to get your work visa. It's much more stringent than here.

I spent 6 months there when I was in my early 20's. The place is awesome!

[Ghost]

I've already hit the age cutoff for my skillset. :/ They have a rule; you have to be the best qualified for the position including all Aussie citizens, and you can't be too old to get your work visa. It's much more stringent than here.

I spent 6 months there when I was in my early 20's. The place is awesome!

New Zealand then?

[#1Townie]

fuck that. third world. i get more for my money anyways. and because the people there cant spell i wont have to hear how bad my spelling is. lol

[#1Townie]

http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/08/bush-20-100-ways-barack-obama-is-just.html

i dont agree with some of the wording in there but its kind of a funny read. bush and obama are put side by side.

[Ghost]

So, Obama supports NDAA, and Rendition and the Patriot Act, but he finally weighs in and takes the side of people filming with their cell phones--which is good, thanks.

What about the others on the list?



http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/obama-administration-says-constitution-protects-cell-phone-recordings.ars?
Obama administration says Constitution protects cell phone recordings

By Timothy B. Lee (http://arstechnica.com/author/timothy-b-lee/) | Published about 12 hours ago


The Obama administration has told a federal judge that Baltimore police officers violated the First, Fourth, and Fourteenth Amendments by seizing a man's cell phone and deleting its contents. The deletions were allegedly in retaliation for the man's use of the phone to record the officers' arrest of his friend. According to the Maryland ACLU, this is the first time the Obama Justice Department has weighed in on whether the Constitution protects citizens' right to record the actions of police with their cell phones.
Christopher Sharp was attending the Preakness horse race in May 2010 with friends. Sharp, who alleges that the police beat his friend before arresting her, pulled out his cell phone to document the encounter. According to Sharp, several officers approached him and repeatedly demanded that he surrender his cell phone so they could make a copy of the video to use as evidence.
Sharp initially refused, but fearing arrest he eventually handed the phone over. One of the officers then took the phone out of the clubhouse. When the officer returned with it several minutes later, the video of the arrest had been deleted. Also gone were at least 20 other personal videos, including some involving his son, that had "great sentimental value" to Sharp.

A pattern of misconduct?
Sharp filed a federal lawsuit in October, charging that the police had violated his First, Fourth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights. He argued that the deletion of his videos was part of a broader pattern of Baltimore police officers violating citizens' right to record the actions of police. He listed six separate incidents since 2008 in which Baltimore police threatened or arrested private citizens for recording their actions.
In one particularly shocking 2008 incident relayed in Sharp's complaint (but not directly involving Sharp), "police officers seized cell phones from individuals in the crowd and, as one officer recalled during a deposition related to the incident, began throwing the phones to the ground. As articulated by the deposed officer, officers were seizing phones because members of the crowd were recording the incident for later posting on YouTube and similar sites."
Sharp argued that this "pattern and practice" of misconduct made court intervention essential. He asked the court to declare that cell phone recordings are protected by the Constitution and to award Sharp money damages.
The city has acknowledged that citizens have the right to record the actions of police officers. In August, it provided some of its officers with formal training on citizens' rights to record the actions of the police, and it sent an e-mail to the entire police force on the subject. The city has argued these steps will prevent future violations of Sharp's rights, and that this renders Sharp's lawsuit moot. The city has asked that it be dismissed.
But the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice isn't impressed. "Although defendants have taken some remedial actions, these measures do not adequately ensure that violation will not recur," the Obama Administration said in a Tuesday court filing. While the city's new training materials acknowledge that it's legal to record the actions of the police, they "do not explicitly acknowledge that private citizens' right to record the police derives from the First Amendment, nor do they provide clear and effective guidance to officers about the important First Amendment principle involved."

An emerging consensus
The Maryland ACLU told the Baltimore Sun (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-ci-aclu-doj-videotaping-20120111,0,7691935.story) that this is the first time the Obama Administration has weighed in on the issue. The decision to come down on Sharp's side of the argument is particularly significant because the executive branch is ordinarily quick to defend the prerogatives of law enforcement. Although this specific incident involved city police officers, the same reasoning would presumably protect the right of citizens to record and disseminate videos on the conduct of officials in the FBI, DEA, and other federal law enforcement agencies.
The filing is the latest sign of an emerging consensus that the First Amendment protects the right to record the public conduct of government officials with a cell phone. Last week, the Boston PD was forced to admit (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/01/10/police-reverse-stance-taping-officers-actions/va6glfwq9L1mUElv6a33HK/story.html) its officers acted improperly when they arrested a man for recording an arrest, after the First Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the city. And while Judge Richard Posner worried that a right to record the police will lead to excessive "snooping around (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/09/judge-worries-recording-police-will-lead-to-excessive-snooping-around.ars)," his fellow judges on the Seventh Circuit seemed sympathetic to the ACLU's argument that Illinois's strict wiretapping statute violates citizens First Amendment rights.

[CaptGoodvibes]

New Zealand then?

Nice roads, hot women, big mountain skiing, free from all the killer animals and bugs Oz has... WIN!

[Ghost]

Nice roads, hot women, big mountain skiing, free from all the killer animals and bugs Oz has... WIN!


Any easier to get into? I'm down, let's load the CSC Ark and head over...

((We'll forget the minor earthquake))

[CaptGoodvibes]

Any easier to get into? I'm down, let's load the CSC Ark and head over...

((We'll forget the minor earthquake))

Let's wait for Snowman's trip report. I think he's a got a rental bike lined up and is planning a couple weeks at least.

[Ghost]

Let's wait for Snowman's trip report. I think he's a got a rental bike lined up and is planning a couple weeks at least.

Or, we could go surprise him, do some recon on our own, secure the beach heads, etc... ;)

[#1Townie]

Lol are you saying we should really invade?