Discussion: Movies - Debate Topic #1

[Vance]

Okay, let's let Frank be Frank and ponder the deeper meanings of laws in other states and the end of the political world as we know it and talk about something far more interesting and insightful... MOVIES!

So here's my plan... I'm going to propose a new debate topic weekly based on movies. Topics may be a specific movie, genre, or even the entire industry or anything related.

Why? Because I LOVE movies, and I've been finding myself focused a lot on them lately in conversations for some reason.

So here it is... Debate Topic #1:
What is the greatest movie soliloquy in your opinion?

Automatically nullified arguments:
Anything written by, or attributable to Shakespeare.

Founding argument to contest:
The "Tears in the Rain" soliloquy form Blade Runner. In my opinion, albeit short, it is and amazingly moving piece of cinema, especially knowing that Rutger Hauer improvised the final line.

Long high quality version here: http://youtu.be/a_saUN4j7Gw

To quote the Joker: "And... here... we... GO!"

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

John Carter of Mars. Great movie, the critics suck ass, and the idiots who listened to them deserved NOT to see a great movie.

That is all.

[mdub]

John Carter of Mars.

Yes, i will still see that movie. And i will probly like it. there has only been a handful of movies that i have seen and agree with critics of it being atrocious. I can not remember any of them off hand....???? Might go chk out Battleship.

[Vance]

Wow... completely missed the entire point of the thread Frank. GO back to the top... re-read... try again.

[Chaos]

Personally, one of my favorite movies that would fit in you criteria is American Beauty. Became a Kevin Spacey fan because of it.

Would that be considered a posthumous soliloquy?? lol

[mdub]

oh in that case. I likesa the John Steinbeck's book.."Of mice and men" then later transpose onto the big screen. "Tell me about the rabbits George"

[CaptGoodvibes]

"Soliloquies were frequently used in dramas but went "out of fashion" when drama shifted towards realism in the late 18th and 19th century."

I'll offer a monologue...

Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into our side, Chief. We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte... just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes. Didn't see the first shark for about a half an hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that when you're in the water, Chief? You tell by looking from the dorsal to the tail fin. What we didn't know, was our bomb mission had been so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin', so we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know, it was kinda like old squares in the battle like you see in the calendar named "The Battle of Waterloo" and the idea was: shark comes to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin' and hollerin' and screamin' and sometimes the shark will go away... but sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a shark... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'. The ocean turns red, and despite all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces. You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I know how many men, they averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon, the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us... he was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later a big fat PBY comes down and starts to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened... waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water; 316 men come out and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

[~Barn~]

Although I've actually never seen the movie or read the book, Dune's Litany Against Fear - by Frank Herbert - is a passage that I became familar with as a kid. Very few things have stuck with me in life quite as profoundly as these words. So yeah... whether or not it's technically a soliloquy, I don't know; I'm not sure under what context it's presented in the movie. Regardless... I submit to you...


"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing......Only I will remain."

[Airreed]

It's 1700 hours lets talk about motor-bikes and beerz!

[mdub]

:drink:

[daemon]

Word's to live by

Although I've actually never seen the movie or read the book, Dune's Litany Against Fear - by Frank Herbert - is a passage that I became familar with as a kid. Very few things have stuck with me in life quite as profoundly as these words. So yeah... whether or not it's technically a soliloquy, I don't know; I'm not sure under what context it's presented in the movie. Regardless... I submit to you...


"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing......Only I will remain."

[#1Townie]

It's 1700 hours lets talk about motor-bikes and beerz!
50s and 40s. Lets have some fun.

[Hoot]

I like lamp. I'm sure it was said some book somewhere.

[mdub]

sequel is almost here...

[Snowman]

"And now my friend, the first-a rule of Italian driving.
What's-a behind me is not important."

I believe this says it all...

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Wow... completely missed the entire point of the thread Frank. GO back to the top... re-read... try again.
Because there WAS no point?

[TinkerinWstuff]

since Of Mice and Men was taken,

only other one I can think of is: Who is John Galt?

It seems I need to do more reading

[bulldog]

A soliloquy (from Latin: "talking by oneself") is a device often used in drama whereby a character speaks to himself or herself, relating his or her thoughts and feelings, thereby also sharing them with the audience. Other characters however are not aware of what is being said.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliloquy#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliloquy#cite_note-1) A soliloquy is distinct from a monologue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monologue) or an aside (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aside): a monologue is a speech where one character addresses other characters; an aside is a (usually short) comment by one character towards the audience.
Soliloquies were frequently used in dramas but went "out of fashion" when drama shifted towards realism in the late 18th and 19th century.

So does Fear and Loathing falls into this? Johnny Depp did a great job of this!

[TinkerinWstuff]

<---dumber than the average bear