Battle of the Used Bikes options...

[Vance]

Okay,

So I've begun formulating my list of bike options for when I am able to buy some time (hopefully early) next year... and I being who I am like to do a lot of research and overthinking about my options, as well as seek insight from others.

That said - here are the first three and a half options out of several that I am considering (I think my pool is of about 10-12 models between new and used) - and I'd love to hear feedback, pros, cons, owner insight, horror stories, brilliant stories, etc.

I'm not including what my search criteria is based on at this point because I have a few unique specifics that narrow down my search field automatically.

Bike Option 1: Triumph Daytona T595 / 955i Series (1997-2001)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Tony_R_2000_Daytona_955.jpg

Bike Option 2: Aprilia RSV1000 (2000.5 - 2003)
http://www.motorhoming.com/APRILIA%20RSV%20MILLE%201000cc%20V%20TWIN,%2004%20 REG.JPG

Bike Option 2.5: Aprilia RSVR1000 (2004 - 2009)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a1Kfgj6XeI0/TyKiAolIjJI/AAAAAAAAB6w/Y1j3XMm7REY/s1600/Aprilia_RSV1000R.jpg

Bike Option 3: Ducati 998 (2002-2004)
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/263090/images/ducati-998.jpg

And yes - I know I already owned two of these three and a half bikes... but I'm looking at this from a totally fresh and totally unbiased perspective as much as possible.

[Ghost]

Bike Option 2.5: Aprilia RSVR1000 (2004 - 2009)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a1Kfgj6XeI0/TyKiAolIjJI/AAAAAAAAB6w/Y1j3XMm7REY/s1600/Aprilia_RSV1000R.jpg



/just because

[Fumet5uNo]

Had the bikes your looking at and if I was to pick one it would be the triumph fun comfortable and trust worthy

[mauser72]

The duc not the most comfortable or reliable but they always feel special

[derekm]

http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/3151057403.html

http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/3090790835.html

[Vance]

http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/3151057403.html

http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/3090790835.html

Derek,...

No naked bikes -- that's a rule to my search parameters. I don't dig on naked bikes too much. Caveat: A Superhawk might be an option - but a distant one.

And the 675 --- that is on my list of considerations for both new and used - but obviously not part of this list (yet).

[longrider]

Bike Option 2.5: Aprilia RSVR1000 (2004 - 2009)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a1Kfgj6XeI0/TyKiAolIjJI/AAAAAAAAB6w/Y1j3XMm7REY/s1600/Aprilia_RSV1000R.jpg



Another vote here and this comes from experience. Having owned 2003 and 2009 Tuonos I can tell you the second generation engine is much better.

No opinion on the Triumph, and Ducati is a torture rack for ergos and until very recently they were high maintenance

[Foolds]

The Sprint ST dosn't really fit with the rest of those bikes. I just sold my Daytona 675 and bought a 08 Sprint st 1050 and I LOVE it

I'm Tall and Thin and I never could get feeling right on the Daytona and it killed me after a couple of hours.

[Mother Goose]

Door number 2.5.

[CaneZach]

I owned option 2.5 and while I really loved the bike, the joy I got from riding her wasn't worth the hassle of dealing with Pikes Peak Motorsports, aka Pikes Peak Harley Davidson. If you have a decent service shop to take the Ape to, I say go for it!

[kawasakirob]

This seems to be a very broad range of bikes(as in 10-12 different considerations, new vs. old). Some of the bikes you posted will obviously be used....while other bikes you are considering will be new. The range of the bikes you posted( from new being 2012/13 to the used Aprilia or Triumph) vary significantly. All those bikes are good, but they each have individual quirks that may deter one person from buying it while another person can live with it. In your post you also mentioned you like a lot of research... a good thing when buying used... Also a good thing when buying new since you will be spending a lot more cash. I think a good way to help decide which bike you want is to Determine which one you personally like best. Easier said then done right? After that, we can dig into the details and help choose which model(of the same model) is the right choice to ensure you get the best one that you choose. Keep in mind you may also be able to buy 2 used bikes for 1 new bike

[kawasakirob]

Are you considering any Japanese bikes?

[VFR]

2.5 Love the Lion on the side and do not seem them hardly ever.

[stubbicatt]

Until recently I would have encouraged you to get a Ducati over an Aprilia, and a Triumph over either of the others due to availability of replacement parts and a more extended dealer network. Now, however, since the earthquake in Panigale, the availability of replacement parts for the Ducati has diminished.

I love my Ducati, and don't envision selling it. I will however have to get an "adventure" bike in the near future, whether BMW, Triumph, or Yamaha I'm not certain.

[Vance]

2.5 Love the Lion on the side and do not seem them hardly ever.

Well the lion graphics were only offered I believe on the '08 and '09 but I may be wrong.


This seems to be a very broad range of bikes(as in 10-12 different considerations, new vs. old). Some of the bikes you posted will obviously be used....while other bikes you are considering will be new. The range of the bikes you posted( from new being 2012/13 to the used Aprilia or Triumph) vary significantly. All those bikes are good, but they each have individual quirks that may deter one person from buying it while another person can live with it. In your post you also mentioned you like a lot of research... a good thing when buying used... Also a good thing when buying new since you will be spending a lot more cash. I think a good way to help decide which bike you want is to Determine which one you personally like best. Easier said then done right? After that, we can dig into the details and help choose which model(of the same model) is the right choice to ensure you get the best one that you choose. Keep in mind you may also be able to buy 2 used bikes for 1 new bike

Well this is exactly why I'm asking these things now --- to get the personal experience and quirks and such explored BEFORE I begin to narrow things down.

As previous mentioned - I have owned the option 1 and 2 on that list (not 2.5)... so I do know their quirks and such, but I like to hear others' input on it too, like I said, to start fresh.

So... here is my list as I have it now:

Bikes not being considered / already eliminated based on criteria not revealed yet:

- Ducati 848 / 1098 / 1198
- Aprilia RSV4
- Honda CBR 1000 and 600
- Kawasaki Ninja 10 and 6
- Suzuki GSXR 1000 and 600
- Yamaha R6
- KTM thingy
- EBR 1190

Bikes Currently on my "list" (in no particular order of preference):

1. 97-2001 Triumph Daytona 595 / 955i

Obviously only available used

2. 2000.5 - 2003 Aprilia RSV Mille (not the R unless someone has replaced the tail section with the 2 up option)

Obviously only available used unless another unicorn like my previous one exists out there somewhere lost in some dealer's warehouse.

3. 2004 - 2009 Aprilia RSV1000 R or Factory

Actually - I have found brand new 2008's and 2009's at some dealers around the country.

4. 2002 - 2004 Ducati 998

Obviously only available used

5. 2007 - Current Triumph Daytona 675

Obviously ranging the gambit from used to new - excluding the 2006 because of the limited availability and bugs I've heard about in that first model year.

6. BMW S1000RR

New or used...

7. 1999 - current Suzuki Hayabusa

New or Used - I actually know very little about the variations of these so I'm not sure what are good years or aren't but they're on the list.

8. 2003 - current Suzuki GSXR-750

New or used obviously - I THINK 2003 was the year I started actually liking the body style - but I'll need to double check that.

9. ??? (not sure the actual year range) - MV Agusta F4 750

A long shot to find I'm sure but I've been recommended to investigate these as an option - and I do love me the F4s.

10. 2003-2006 Triumph Daytona 955i

Not the 2002 under any circumstances. Obviously only available used.

11. 2013 MV Agusta F3 675

POSSIBLY... I have to see one for certain.

12. 2003 - 2006 Honda RC-51

Obviously only available used


Are you considering any Japanese bikes?

As above. :)

[kawasakirob]

Well the lion graphics were only offered I believe on the '08 and '09 but I may be wrong.



Well this is exactly why I'm asking these things now --- to get the personal experience and quirks and such explored BEFORE I begin to narrow things down.

As previous mentioned - I have owned the option 1 and 2 on that list (not 2.5)... so I do know their quirks and such, but I like to hear others' input on it too, like I said, to start fresh.

So... here is my list as I have it now:

Bikes not being considered / already eliminated based on criteria not revealed yet:

- Ducati 848 / 1098 / 1198
- Aprilia RSV4
- Honda CBR 1000 and 600
- Kawasaki Ninja 10 and 6
- Suzuki GSXR 1000 and 600
- Yamaha R6
- KTM thingy

Bikes Currently on my "list" (in no particular order of preference):

1. 97-2001 Triumph Daytona 595 / 955i

Obviously only available used

2. 2000.5 - 2003 Aprilia RSV Mille (not the R unless someone has replaced the tail section with the 2 up option)

Obviously only available used unless another unicorn like my previous one exists out there somewhere lost in some dealer's warehouse.

3. 2004 - 2009 Aprilia RSV1000 R or Factory

Actually - I have found brand new 2008's and 2009's at some dealers around the country.

4. 2002 - 2004 Ducati 998

Obviously only available used

5. 2007 - Current Triumph Daytona 675

Obviously ranging the gambit from used to new - excluding the 2006 because of the limited availability and bugs I've heard about in that first model year.

6. BMW S1000RR

New or used...

7. 1999 - current Suzuki Hayabusa

New or Used - I actually know very little about the variations of these so I'm not sure what are good years or aren't but they're on the list.

8. 2003 - current Suzuki GSXR-750

New or used obviously - I THINK 2003 was the year I started actually liking the body style - but I'll need to double check that.

9. ??? (not sure the actual year range) - MV Agusta F4 750

A long shot to find I'm sure but I've been recommended to investigate these as an option - and I do love me the F4s.

10. 2003-2006 Triumph Daytona 955i

Not the 2002 under any circumstances. Obviously only available used.

11. 2013 MV Agusta F3 675

POSSIBLY... I have to see one for certain.

12. 2003 - 2006 Honda RC-51

Obviously only available used



As above. :)

:lol: that's a list! One bike I did not see on there is the EBR 1190. That gets my vote.

[Vance]

:lol: that's a list! One bike I did not see on there is the EBR 1190. That gets my vote.

Looked at it... no joy. Adding it to the "no" list.

[rybo]

Vance,

I'm weighing in with the 04-09 Aprilia. I'm loving the one I got for the racetrack. Rotax power is highly reliable, the bike is reasonably comfortable and the powerband is a mile wide making it an easy street bike.

Scott

[Ghosty]

That silver Triumph 955i is sexay!

[kawasakirob]

Looked at it... no joy. Adding it to the "no" list.

:(.....my second vote now goes towards the RC51! Not the lightest or the most powerful... But a bike with a lot of soul. If you plan on putting some distance between your destinations...the Busa. Solid, comfy, stable, a long range missile that does well( not as well as an S1000 by no means) in the tight stuff. Pack it down fill it up and point it in any direction. Very reliable with years of street cred. Light the wick and hang on.:)

[Snowman]

+1 Rotax, anything using an airplane motor gets my vote...

[bluedogok]

If you are considering a Daytona (like the one in your pic) and willing to travel some, I know of a very clean 2001 with low miles in the Dallas area. It is on a Texas MC forum that I am on.

Two Wheeled Texans - FS 2001 Daytona 955i - in Dallas, TX (http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75175)

[Wrider]

Well the lion graphics were only offered I believe on the '08 and '09 but I may be wrong.


Buddy has an 07 and it has the lion graphics, but not nearly as pronounced as the 08/09s.

[kawasakirob]

Of course if you go with the 998 there is also the option of the Bostrom Replica?
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20998S%20Bostrom%20%201.jpg

Or the 996 Foggy Replica?
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/95/220666769_efba087ce5_z.jpg?zz=1

[Vance]

If you are considering a Daytona (like the one in your pic) and willing to travel some, I know of a very clean 2001 with low miles in the Dallas area. It is on a Texas MC forum that I am on.

Two Wheeled Texans - FS 2001 Daytona 955i - in Dallas, TX (http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75175)

I would be HIGHLY interested - especially at that price (I wouldn't even try to haggle him down!) Sadly I'm about 8-9 months away at the earliest from purchasing and something tells me it won't be around by then :(


Of course if you go with the 998 there is also the option of the Bostrom Replica?
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20998S%20Bostrom%20%201.jpg

Or the 996 Foggy Replica?
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/95/220666769_efba087ce5_z.jpg?zz=1

Yeah --- Ive been getting feedback from a multi-Ducati owning friend that's been saying the maintenance costs on the 996 (and to a lesser but still inflated rate the 998s) are astronomical comparative to any other bike out there, even the MV Agustas... so that may be knocking them out of the running before things even get serious... but we'll see.

[rybo]

vance -

As a former ducati owner I can say that my street bike wasn't any too much more hassle than any other streetbike I've ever owned.

There is an issue with this generation of Ducatis, though, and that is that the rocker arms for the valve system had flaking issues on the running surfaces. In my case the problem was caught and covered on warranty (for the street bike). If that isn't done, then there is cause for concern as the replacement costs are pretty high for these parts and it's a bit labor intensive.

Other than that I can say that the 748 (2001) that I had was really a great bike and one that I would buy again.

Scott

[Vance]

vance -

As a former ducati owner I can say that my street bike wasn't any too much more hassle than any other streetbike I've ever owned.

There is an issue with this generation of Ducatis, though, and that is that the rocker arms for the valve system had flaking issues on the running surfaces. In my case the problem was caught and covered on warranty (for the street bike). If that isn't done, then there is cause for concern as the replacement costs are pretty high for these parts and it's a bit labor intensive.

Other than that I can say that the 748 (2001) that I had was really a great bike and one that I would buy again.

Scott


Ohhh... 748! I totally forgot about that one!
I need to add that to the list!

[Vance]

Am I missing any other 750s or non litre size bikes out there that might be a good option?

[kawasakirob]

749/999? Alot of people dont like them but hey, thats why they're cool. I enjoy them.
http://www.free-photos.biz/images/consumer_products/clothes/ducati_999r_fila.jpg

Suzuki TL1000R?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWTy-lwP1xExtQxHUOyiOC92ufZtW-mMUURV9secYX4A3RjSM3

Kawasaki ZX7R?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FjzRtbpjNnM/SkCz0QdAPnI/AAAAAAAAAMg/bgk9Wn2TOnE/s400/zx2.jpg
Love the front end
http://www.indiaon2wheels.com/pics/ninja-zx7r.jpg

[Vance]

749/999? Alot of people dont like them but hey, thats why they're cool. I enjoy them.
http://www.free-photos.biz/images/consumer_products/clothes/ducati_999r_fila.jpg


Honestly I am starting to highly consider adding the 999 / 749 series. I kind of liked them when they came out (except the lack of a single-sided swingarm), and remember hearing NOTHING bad about them except the detractors on the styling. I remember hearing rave reviews about how nimble and forgiving and "elite" they were of a riding machine, how they devastated the Aprilia's in handling, acceleration, etc, etc, etc... we easier on the wallet because they had corrected so many problems that had plagued Ducati's in the past... yeah, I think if I can get to see one in person again they may very well be worthy to add to the list.



Suzuki TL1000R?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWTy-lwP1xExtQxHUOyiOC92ufZtW-mMUURV9secYX4A3RjSM3
Possible... something about those though always looked "piggish" to me comparative even to the Hayabusa, which was just a rocket look. Probably because it was based so much on the GXSR stylings maybe? I don't know... they never appealed to me the way the RC51s did by comparison.


Kawasaki ZX7R?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FjzRtbpjNnM/SkCz0QdAPnI/AAAAAAAAAMg/bgk9Wn2TOnE/s400/zx2.jpg
Love the front end
http://www.indiaon2wheels.com/pics/ninja-zx7r.jpgNo... never really liked those at all to be honest. Can't really tell you why they didn't appeal - but they just never did.

[dirkterrell]

Oh, just pick one of these and be done with it. :)

http://www.boulder.swri.edu/%7Eterrell/bikes/ultimate_collection.jpg

[Vance]

Oh, just pick one of these and be done with it. :)

http://www.boulder.swri.edu/%7Eterrell/bikes/ultimate_collection.jpg

Yeah I saw those when they were there...
The NR750 has always been a dream (I just won the powerball situation) bike to own and put on display in my man-cave / office / photo studio. :)

[Mother Goose]

Am I missing any other 750s or non litre size bikes out there that might be a good option?
Uhhhh, MV F4 750... duh!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gm93lv_oj9Y/S68z8cs1P6I/AAAAAAAAAac/KsGeLC2LXcg/s1600/MV+Agusta+F4+750S+EVO+3++2-0674.jpg

[Jmetz]

I loved my 748. IMO it was a bit costly for maintenance especially if you are going to put miles on it. If you have not considered a VFR800 I would reccomend it. I've really become a fan of it and love mine. It's comfortable, and a great all around bike. It's got a fantastic deep V rumble. It's a great bike for doing distance and more then capable in the twisties.
I would recommend getting one with luggage and a Power Commander.

[Vance]

Uhhhh, MV F4 750... duh!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gm93lv_oj9Y/S68z8cs1P6I/AAAAAAAAAac/KsGeLC2LXcg/s1600/MV+Agusta+F4+750S+EVO+3++2-0674.jpg

Only 1 of the 1+1 variants on Cycletrader... a definite bike to consider but it may be difficult to impossible to find if that ends up being the top choice!

[Fumet5uNo]

Oh, just pick one of these and be done with it. :)

http://www.boulder.swri.edu/%7Eterrell/bikes/ultimate_collection.jpg

i still have a large foot print on my ass after i asked my wife if she wouldnt mind if we added the group to the garage collection

[Fumet5uNo]

PS this is a bad ass build if you like the old 996-998's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDCVa_aK57o&feature=related

[Vance]

So here is my slightly updated list:

1. 97-2001 Triumph Daytona 595 / 955i
http://images04.olx.fr/ui/1/68/34/6876434_1.jpg


2. 2000.5 - 2003 Aprilia RSV Mille
http://motorcycles-trader.com/wp-content/uploads/99456072_1thumb_550x410-500x372.jpg


3. 2004 - 2009 Aprilia RSV1000 R or Factory
http://cdn.tradebit.org/usr/remanuals-ceo/pub/9002/148167786_2002ApriliaRsvMille.jpg


4. 2002 - 2004 Ducati 998 / 748 Biposto

http://www.mcnews.com.au/newbikecatalogue/2002/Ducati/748/748_Red_RHF_700p.JPG


5. 2004-2008 Ducati 999 / 749
http://www.fastdates.com/PLN.NewBikes/Ducati/2005Ducati999/35.jpg


6. 2007 - Current Triumph Daytona 675
http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/2009-triumph-daytona-675-11.jpg


7. BMW S1000RR
http://whcarleton.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/2010-bmw-s1000rr-black.jpg


8. 1999 - current Suzuki Hayabusa
(no pic - too large of a range to pick which slight variant I prefer quite yet)


9. 1999 - 2004 - MV Agusta F4 750
http://images04.olx.fr/ui/1/74/04/1557004_5.jpg


10. 2003-2006 Triumph Daytona 955i
http://images.traderonline.com/img/5/plcnad/7740424/104617967_3thumb_550x410.jpg

11. 2003 - 2006 Honda RC-51
http://motorcycle-specs.com/general/Honda-VTR_1000_RC51_SP2-2006.jpg

If you can't tell - I have a thing for silver or black as my preferred color choice.

[dirkterrell]

12. 2003 - 2006 Honda RC-51
http://motorcycle-specs.com/general/Honda-VTR_1000_RC51_SP2-2006.jpg


That's always been the paint scheme I like best on the 51. I'll have one at some point.

[kawasakirob]

That's always been the paint scheme I like best on the 51. I'll have one at some point.

Same here. At first the dark wasn't my favorite...but it started to grow on me.

Well Vance those are all some good bikes man, good luck choosing the right one!

[Vance]

Just yanked the MV 675 off... just saw the MSRP on that and HELL NO.
Why pay that much for a 675 when the BMW S1000RR is the same price?

I may downgrade the BMW too into a "used only" option based on its MSRP... I have to be realistic here about my riding, which will be 1x a week through the year, weather / season permitting, the occasional social outing where I can / would ride, and the maybe 1x a month canyon bashing or recreational ride.

I don't know that I can justify a $16-17k burn on that low frequency riding.

[Vance]

Officially modifying the list to narrow it down

1. 97-2001 Triumph Daytona 595 / 955i
http://images04.olx.fr/ui/1/68/34/6876434_1.jpg


I was pleased to find out there is still at least 1 mfg that makes undertail exhausts for these series. I always thought this bike looked brilliant with the high rise or the undertail... and based on what I'm seeing these at on cycletrader and such, this would be a VERY affordable returning-to option for me I'm thinking!

2. 2000.5 - 2003 Aprilia RSV Mille
http://motorcycles-trader.com/wp-content/uploads/99456072_1thumb_550x410-500x372.jpghttp://www.motorhoming.com/APRILIA%20RSV%20MILLE%201000cc%20V%20TWIN,%2004%20 REG.JPG

Seeing more and more of these at very reasonable prices on CL and on cycletrader. That is encouraging!


3. 2004 - 2009 Aprilia RSV1000 R or Factory
http://cdn.tradebit.org/usr/remanuals-ceo/pub/9002/148167786_2002ApriliaRsvMille.jpg

Still need to sit on / ride one of these to get a feel for it.

4. 2004-2008 Ducati 999 / 749
http://www.fastdates.com/PLN.NewBikes/Ducati/2005Ducati999/35.jpg

Sat on a 999 the other day... it felt SUPER narrow - but oddly VERY good / unique. I can see where it might get uncomfortable, but then again - what sportbike doesn't?

5. 2007 - Current Triumph Daytona 675
http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/2009-triumph-daytona-675-11.jpg

Sat on one again recently and loved the weight and ease to just move it around standing there. Seemed a little taller in the seat height than a lot of bikes I've sat on though. Need to ride one... really get a feel for the ergos in motion.

6. 1999 - current Suzuki Hayabusa

I've come to the conclusion I like the previous body style slightly to the current (meaning mostly the tail section - I'm not digging the way the new ones look comparative to the previous generation(s).


7. 2003-2006 Triumph Daytona 955i
http://images.traderonline.com/img/5/plcnad/7740424/104617967_3thumb_550x410.jpg

Still need to find one / sit on one / ride one ideally - see the differences between it and the '97-'01 series. Also want to see if anyone makes an undertail for this one too. If they make one for the previous series you'd think someone would make one for this series.


Since the search is still in progress with a number of months remaining... I'm still open to information, opinions, etc --- even additions to consider in the full fairing bikes based on the previous criteria and information provided.

[Vance]

Yeah... so...

THIS right here I think just made me eliminate the Hayabusa off the potentials list:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/545416_3988564985683_2071811472_n.jpg

I mean WTF??? Isn't stretching them fraked up enough as it is???

[Sarge]

B. M. W.

Best Motorcycle in the World

/troll :tomato:

[rforsythe]

I dunno Vance, I could see you on the back of that thing.

In fact Photoshop may see you on the back of it too. :twisted:

[Vance]

I dunno Vance, I could see you on the back of that thing.

In fact Photoshop may see you on the back of it too. :twisted:

Dude I may not be on Team Skinny - but that's just wrong to even think of doing to me... I haven't been that fat in 15 years!

[Vance]

B. M. W.

Best Motorcycle in the World

/troll :tomato:

Yeah - been there / done that with my R1100S...
Considered the S1000RR - but the new price is a bit on the ridiculous end of the spectrum for what my likely budget is going to be. Used may be an option if there are any at the time - but for the moment I've got it knocked off my list of potentials.

[kawasakirob]

How many miles do you put on per year?

[texlurch]

Pretty wide variety of bikes if you are looking for them to do the same thing

I would choose the ZX12R over the Busa just on looks and character and exclusivity.

[JonnyD]

I have to be realistic here about my riding, which will be 1x a week through the year, weather / season permitting, the occasional social outing where I can / would ride, and the maybe 1x a month canyon bashing or recreational ride.

I don't know that I can justify a $16-17k burn on that low frequency riding.

I know this, being realistic about my riding never accounted for getting the bike that moves the soul. I was a solid 3-4k a year person until I got my RC51 last year. I put 10k on it last year, and have dropped off a little but am already at about 5k this year. When you find something that moves you, you will adapt :)

[Grant H.]

My vote goes to either the GSXR 750 (04's look great) or the s1000rr.

I have spent a lot of time on the 04 gixxer 750. Comfortable. Plenty of power. Handles great. Etc.

The s1000rr gets my vote because they have some awesome features, reviews, and are comfortable for me to sit on.

[kawasakirob]

Out of the bikes mentioned, and the low miles you will be putting on, my vote go's to the 999.

[bluedogok]

Out of the bikes mentioned, and the low miles you will be putting on, my vote go's to the 999.
I saw a for sale sign on a 999 out at PPIR today. It was parked outside of the pit garages.

[kawasakirob]

I saw a for sale sign on a 999 out at PPIR today. It was parked outside of the pit garages.

Beautiful bikes. Different/controversial too which is cool. How much did they want for it?

[bluedogok]

Beautiful bikes. Different/controversial too which is cool. How much did they want for it?
I don't know, it was down quite a few pits on the other side of the garage where Snowman and sprtbkbabe were setup.

[Vance]

How many miles do you put on per year?

Per year? Honestly I've never paid attention to my annual miles. I've noticed when I have a bike, I find every excuse to ride it.

So in theory I'd be putting on probably 90 miles / week going to work once a week RT minimum... plus now that I don't take the kids to TKD since we had to switch days I would likely ride there 2-3 times a week so that'd be about 15 miles per day RT there... my weekly socializing at trivia night - that's about another 30 miles RT... then my randomized social outings on weekends or such or maybe even to photo shoots... and of course maybe the occasional weekend canyon bashing ride...

I don't know what that adds up to but in the brief period I owned my '03 Aprilia I put on almost 8000 miles in 7 months - but I also was riding it pretty much every waking moment possible.


Pretty wide variety of bikes if you are looking for them to do the same thing

I would choose the ZX12R over the Busa just on looks and character and exclusivity.

Yeah... never considered the ZX12 as an option. No joy for my taste in bikes.


I know this, being realistic about my riding never accounted for getting the bike that moves the soul. I was a solid 3-4k a year person until I got my RC51 last year. I put 10k on it last year, and have dropped off a little but am already at about 5k this year. When you find something that moves you, you will adapt :)

Bingo!


My vote goes to either the GSXR 750 (04's look great) or the s1000rr.

I have spent a lot of time on the 04 gixxer 750. Comfortable. Plenty of power. Handles great. Etc.

The s1000rr gets my vote because they have some awesome features, reviews, and are comfortable for me to sit on.

The GSXR750 was a potential option but honestly I'm something of a Eurosnob first and foremost - so it didn't even make it to the baseline list.


Out of the bikes mentioned, and the low miles you will be putting on, my vote go's to the 999.

Honestly after sitting on one finally - I find that bike moving higher and higher up the list as a favorite. I'd place it in the top 3 of the remaining at the moment. Obviously riding one will be of critical importance because I need to understand how those ultra-narrow ergos feel in motion, etc considering I've only ridden one Duc (Monster 620) in my life and that dry clutch thing scared the crap out of me the first time I shifted to be honest (but OMG was that torque something beyond impressive!)

[kawasakirob]

I rode a 999R once and it indeed felt tiny and super skinny. The bark that bike had with the termignoni exhuast and the lurch when the throttle was blipped definetely left an impression on my mind. The ergos were not very good, but I didnt care since it was a 999R :lol: The brakes also worked tremendously (almost dangerously) well, stopping me around 25 feet short from the planned stopping point until I was used to them. It was a light and nimble, sexy and mean red glistening machine that was all balled up into one tiny little package.

[Vance]

It was a light and nimble, sexy and mean red glistening machine that was all balled up into one tiny little package.

Those sort of sound like lyrics from a Prince song or something!

I must find myself a 999 to test ride some time! Sounds like it could most definitely leave an impression!

[Snowman]

To think too long about doing a thing often becomes its undoing. ~Eva Young

Procrastination is opportunity's assassin. ~Victor Kiam

Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow. ~Mark Twain

Procrastination is like Masturbation; In the end you're just screwing yourself. ~Unknown

[Vance]

To think too long about doing a thing often becomes its undoing. ~Eva Young

Procrastination is opportunity's assassin. ~Victor Kiam

Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow. ~Mark Twain

Procrastination is like Masturbation; In the end you're just screwing yourself. ~Unknown

"To be full of desire but woefully without financial means to achieve one's desired acquisitions forces patience upon oneself that is infuriatingly unreasonable." - Jim Vance

[Snowman]

"To be full of desire but woefully without financial means to achieve one's desired acquisitions forces patience upon oneself that is infuriatingly unreasonable." - Jim VanceAll you care about is money. This city deserves a better class of criminal. ~ The Joker

The Science of Procrastination (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBwfZZvjKo&feature=player_embedded)

[Vance]

All you care about is money. This city deserves a better class of criminal. ~ The Joker

The Science of Procrastination (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBwfZZvjKo&feature=player_embedded)

I am a better class of criminal...
But the spousal unit won't let me engage in my Moriarty-esque capers despite my urging and cost/benefit analysis I constantly show her :(

[Vance]

Sooooo...

In the latest development - it would appear in after sitting down to work things out - I will be operating with a budget of $5000 for whatever it is I want with a maximum of $6000...

So if I need to have it shipped - that comes out of the $6000.

The new helmet I need - comes out of the $6000.

If I want a replacement exhaust - say the undertail for the T595 series - comes out of the $6000...

So we'll see how that affects the available list this spring because I think that might have just eliminated the Ducati off the list... and most likely any 08 / 09 RSV but not necessarily the 04-07... not sure on the Daytona 675s - they seem to be all over the map pricing wise on CL and cycletrader. I think the T595 / 955i (any year) seem to all be within the range.

I may have to expand / adjust the list to see if anything else might be viable options (perhaps reconsider the GSXR750s?).

[Vance]

In spending the entire weekend, post budget conversation, discussing this with the spousal unit - all will depend on how we opt to spend the tax return this coming spring (which home improvement we go for and how much it will run us) so either I'll have $5-6000 cash to spend, or I may have cash plus a small willingness to adjust with some additional financing, or if we do both home improvements I may have a slightly larger range (up to $7k) if I go for straight out financing - but presuming I'll have cash only - I think I've come to a conclusion on how I'm going to prioritize my search for a bike in the following order:

All tied for first / top consideration:

--- 2003 - 2006 (or 2002 CE) Daytona 955i:
Based on pricing I'm seeing these and the options still available I should be able to pick up one of these AND an undertail or high rise pipe refit easily enough well within budget.

I've been told be several Triumph mechanics I've spoken too recently this series had none of the electrical issues of the 97-2001s, were far superior workhorse engines, and had far better throttle, braking, etc.

One particular authorized service tech I spoke to that has been working exclusively on Euro bikes for the last 20 years recommended this above all others for it's reliability, durability, quality, range as both a solid commuter and brilliant canyon-basher... he couldn't recommend this bike enough out of everything on even the original list I went through with him.

--- 2004 - 2009 Aprilia RSV1000 R or Factory
This may be a longshot to find within budget - but at the rate they're starting to come down based on the economy - there is hope!

The aforementioned Euro-bike tech has told me to find one of these if at all humanly possible over the 2000-2003s - simply put the best of the Rotax engines Aprilia ever used, most reliable, pound-for-pound best v-twin engine ever built... a true badass piece of machinery if at all viable to get my hands on / afford.

--- 2007 - Present Triumph Daytona 675
Seeing these pop up all over the country at reasonable prices... I think this is a totally viable option though any upgraded exhaust or such would likely have to wait for a year.

The techs didn't like some strange battery drain issue they warned me of - and a very specialized battery that isn't an "off the rack" type (?) - but otherwise they think this is the best bike build of ANY brand in the 500 - 800cc range - hands down, period, no debate - and it just gets better with an improved exhaust and a few tweaks apparently.

Coming in only millimeters behind the top three into secondary consideration:

---- 2000 - 2003 Aprilia RSV Mille
Leaning towards the 2002 or 2003 specifically...
Clearly these are http://motorcycles-trader.com/wp-content/uploads/99456072_1thumb_550x410-500x372.jpgVERY easily attainable within budget for a good quality / maintained beast. Several in town even - though I still can't abide by the red. Ewww.

----1997-2001 Daytona T595 / 955i:
Would love to find a Silver 2001.
'Nuff said there -- solid beasts though historically wonky on the electrical - though my previous never had a lick of problems there, or mechanically for that matter. Perhaps Jeff will resell me back Dita! :)

Sadly removed from the list: 2004-2008 Ducati 999:
After talking to a pair of Ducati mechanics of the last 15 years - while the clear impression is this should be at the top of my list - the odds of finding a 999 under 6k that has had all the work done it needs to is about a 1:1000 shot at best - the fact it will need on average $1000 worth of maintenance a year is a bit of a put-off to me at this stage of the search.

Oh - they also told me the 749 was a waste to look into --- cheaper yes, but when comparing to even the Daytona 675 - I wouldn't be happy with it.

So this opens up the question again...

Am I missing anything out there with some heart and soul that I should be exploring that might fit within the newly defined budget?

[kawasakirob]

All that hype for a 5-6K budget?
Save til the spring and buy a 999 for 7K.

8k will get you a 999S.

For that budget, My vote goes towards the RC51

[JonnyD]

All that hype for a 5-6K budget?
For that budget, My vote goes towards the RC51

Agreed, not only can you find one within that budget, but most already have cans on them. You can then get springs done, power commander, corbin seat, and a nice tune and be under budget. If you can find one. I'd go with an SP2 (2002+), but the SP1's aren't all that bad either.

Feel free to PM me if you want to take a non-pressurized look at one :)

Edit: Looking at what you'll be using it for, I'd recommend the VFR800. Find an 03-09 I think? Great looking bikes, capable in the twisties, reasonable power, and better on everything else than the super sports. This is just thinking realistically. The RC51 isn't so much fun commuting.

The VFR800 and RC51 were the two I was bouncing between, the VFR800 would also have been "better suited" for me. Then I was setting off car alarms with the RC51 on the test drive. Add to that the crazy amount of character that bike has, and the FAR more aggressive seating... and I went with what moved the soul.

[Vance]

All that hype for a 5-6K budget?
Save til the spring and buy a 999 for 7K.

8k will get you a 999S.

For that budget, My vote goes towards the RC51

Sadly yes - though it's all relative.
That's a conservative estimate of my tax return for this coming February plugging the projected numbers into this year's TurboTax... however, not knowing all the law changes for 2012, and also the benefit of if the spousal unit pops the kid out before the 1st - that should / could easily go up! LOL

As far as the RC51 goes... I love the bike, don't get me wrong - but that damn thing had the single most uncomfortable seat I think I've ever experienced in my life just sitting on it. I know you can get a replacement seat - Corbin or such, but I'd need to replace the front and rear seat given the 2 up requirement ... and I don't think Corbin does the rear (and I'm not sure anyone else does either).

I have never had a chance to ride one - so I probably shouldn't automatically rule it out in quite so cavalier a manner.

[Vance]

Edit: Looking at what you'll be using it for, I'd recommend the VFR800. Find an 03-09 I think? Great looking bikes, capable in the twisties, reasonable power, and better on everything else than the super sports. This is just thinking realistically. The RC51 isn't so much fun commuting.

The VFR800 and RC51 were the two I was bouncing between, the VFR800 would also have been "better suited" for me. Then I was setting off car alarms with the RC51 on the test drive. Add to that the crazy amount of character that bike has, and the FAR more aggressive seating... and I went with what moved the soul.

Interestingly the primary tech I was talking to who reviewed my list also recommended a VFR - but HIGHLY recommended anything PRE V-Tech engines - so pre-2002. Something to do with lack of character in the engine's abilities for a V-Twin.

Since I've never been on any of them - and my personal favorite series was the '96-ish NR750 looking one... who am I to say I don't like them. I'd need to ride a pre-Vtech and a post-Vtech to really understand. I do like that the 2003s forward went untertail - always a personal favorite look for me.

Anyway --- I should probably consider adding the VFR800's / 750s to the roster... That's about the 5th recommendation there. I'll have to research them a bit more.

[dirkterrell]

Edit: Looking at what you'll be using it for, I'd recommend the VFR800. Find an 03-09 I think?


Doesn't sound like the VFR is what he's looking for, but I would recommend going '06 or newer. The VTEC engagement is better.

[Vance]

Doesn't sound like the VFR is what he's looking for, but I would recommend going '06 or newer. The VTEC engagement is better.

Well I never entirely ruled the VFR out Dirk...
I've always seen it as more of a sport-tour - not QUITE as sport-tour as say my BMW was - but not nearly as aggressive as what I'm used to.

Then again - I'm told a lot of people consider the T595 / 955i series Daytona - both generations - to be more sport tour than sport... and I loved my T595 to death... so maybe I should consider it highly as a viable option.

[dirkterrell]

Well I never entirely ruled the VFR out Dirk...


Ok, if you have any questions, let me know. Don't get too caught up in the VTEC religious debates. The 6th-gen (VTEC) bikes are great machines. I've ridden every VF/VFR ever released in the States except for the 1200, and they all have their pluses and minuses, just like every other motorcycle.

[Vance]

Ok, if you have any questions, let me know. Don't get too caught up in the VTEC religious debates. The 6th-gen (VTEC) bikes are great machines. I've ridden every VF/VFR ever released in the States except for the 1200, and they all have their pluses and minuses, just like every other motorcycle.

So let's go with the last 2 generations pre-1200...
What are the pros and cons?

[Snowman]

So let's go with the last 2 generations pre-1200...
What are the pros and cons? They're Hondas, what down side could there possibly be?

[laspariahs]

If you are on a budget stay the hell away from Italian bikes. That's my advice.

[Vance]

If you are on a budget stay the hell away from Italian bikes. That's my advice.

Based on my budget it would appear I can easily get into good condition 02-03 Aprilia still have money left over if I play it right and am particular.

Ducati not likely - but definitely seeing potential to return to Aprilia.

As for the RC51s... looking on Cycletrader those damn things sure are commanding a premium aren't they?

Freaking Fay Bugermeistermeisterburger is asking $7200 for an 05??? Sure it has under 10k miles but really? 7200???
KBB on that is just shy of $6200 on that bike in excellent condition.
No disrespect to Fay but are they on freaking crack?

A freaking 2008 VFR is carrying a $7100 KBB rate --- not an 05 RC51!!!

DAYUM!

[Vance]

They're Hondas, what down side could there possibly be?

My first motorcycle was a Honda (Hurricane). Got to admit I didn't do timely oil changes, etc per the maintenance guide and that damn thing ran like a top despite my shortcomings / delays in maintenance by a few thousand miles here or there.

That's why if I were to consider a VTwin of Japanese origins - It'd have to be a Honda.

[dirkterrell]

So let's go with the last 2 generations pre-1200...
What are the pros and cons?

Quickly as I'm heading out the door to football practice:

6th-gen(2002-2009): Much better suspension, fewer electrical gremlins (2006+), factory hard bags, undertail exhaust, the headlights are very good.

5th-gen (1998-2001): gear driven cams (i.e. no maintenance, as opposed to chains on the 6th-gens), engine work less costly because of the simpler valve-train (but the motors on all the VFRs are pretty much bulletproof if you take reasonable care of them)

In terms of top-end power, there isn't really much difference between them.

More later...

[Snowman]

I believe this will clearly end the discussion... :D

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/554359_10150915383990278_2002843908_n.jpg

[NUTZ]

This

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e141/busaguy05/282113_3999523823790_1545901439_n.jpg

And this

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e141/busaguy05/414042_10151081443338657_131235642_o.jpg

Not sure how you could let some ridicules picture change your mind on a busa.

[Vance]

This

Not sure how you could let some ridicules picture change your mind on a busa.

Honestly it wasn't the picture... it was a test ride from a coworker that brought his in. It was fun, it was comfortable... it just felt HUGE. Like bigger than my BWM was huge. It was disconcerting how uncomfortable it was for me to be in control of. I'm sure that would change over time - but that level of apprehension was just unnerving enough to put it off the primary list.

Doesn't mean it's gone - just like some of the previous ones I've whittled off - just means they're not on the short list anymore.

[laspariahs]

Based on my budget it would appear I can easily get into good condition 02-03 Aprilia still have money left over if I play it right and am particular.

Ducati not likely - but definitely seeing potential to return to Aprilia.

As for the RC51s... looking on Cycletrader those damn things sure are commanding a premium aren't they?

Freaking Fay Bugermeistermeisterburger is asking $7200 for an 05??? Sure it has under 10k miles but really? 7200???
KBB on that is just shy of $6200 on that bike in excellent condition.
No disrespect to Fay but are they on freaking crack?

A freaking 2008 VFR is carrying a $7100 KBB rate --- not an 05 RC51!!!

DAYUM!


No I mean can you afford to keep it running, I have no doubt you can buy something Italian with 6k.

I have an Aprilia. It costs more to keep running than the Yamaha and Kawasaki I've owned, the filters, the oil even costs more. The air filter, and then there's the parts if you ever might need them.

[Vance]

No I mean can you afford to keep it running, I have no doubt you can buy something Italian with 6k.

I have an Aprilia. It costs more to keep running than the Yamaha and Kawasaki I've owned, the filters, the oil even costs more. The air filter, and then there's the parts if you ever might need them.

What model and year - because when I had mine there was a marginal price difference for regular service parts - maybe 10-15% - that was about it.

[laspariahs]

What model and year - because when I had mine there was a marginal price difference for regular service parts - maybe 10-15% - that was about it.

2008

It's also just super hard to work on, on top of the extra cost. Though again changing the oil is actually very easy.

[Vance]

2008

It's also just super hard to work on, on top of the extra cost. Though again changing the oil is actually very easy.

Mine was an '03.

Every indication I've heard is the Rotax engines are still exponentially easier to work on than ANY Ducati (rated at about $1000 ever 6000 miles from a shop)... comparative to about $500-600 every 9000 or 10,000 miles for an Aprilia from a shop)

That (the Aprilia) to me is reasonable. The Duc - that would potentially stretch my annual repair/upkeep budget more than I'd prefer. Not out of bounds for possibility - but definitely at the high end of comfort margins.

[UglyDogRacing]

Here you go Vance :eyebrows: http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48160

[kawasakirob]

What about a Vespa?

[Vance]

Here you go Vance :eyebrows: http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48160

Brilliant Jim (LOVE the 2001 / 2002 rear hump look) - save for 2 problems:

1. I'd never ask someone to hold a sale for me considering I won't be able to buy until this coming spring when I get my tax money (mid-February)...

2. I need the 2up model - not this /the R like I had before (unless you know a screaming deal on a 2up subframe that I could snag for say $150)

[Vance]

What about a Vespa?

Everyone's a comedian!
(and I plan on buying a vintage '56 Vespa for my daughter I've got a line on super cheap and restore it for her 16th birthday)

[UglyDogRacing]

Brilliant Jim (LOVE the 2001 / 2002 rear hump look) - save for 2 problems:

1. I'd never ask someone to hold a sale for me considering I won't be able to buy until this coming spring when I get my tax money (mid-February)...

2. I need the 2up model - not this /the R like I had before (unless you know a screaming deal on a 2up subframe that I could snag for say $150)

1. I doubt it will sell till Spring

2. Read my ad for the bike...... ;)

[Vance]

1. I doubt it will sell till Spring

2. Read my ad for the bike...... ;)

1. At that price for an R I would be amazed... but if it doesn't - you may very well yourself a buyer right here!!!

2. DOH! Nope... the woodie has not subsided regarding the enthusiasm and pure awesomeness for which this bike just rocketed to the front of my list!!!

[TransNone13]

IDK if this will help at all, looks like you already ruled them out (Ducati) BUT...

I bought an 1199S in May, so far I am more or less happy. I owned two Honda's, a BMW, and additionally a KTM.

I would rank the 1199 LAST in build quality in regards to body work. Paint sucks, rubber caps and boots don't like this environment, time consuming to work on, mapping has some serious issues (waiting on a Bazzaz), and labor and parts are expensive.

That being said... I've put over 6000 miles and two sets of tires on the bike since then. I did NOT expect that from a Ducati. I have never broken down, and it starts every time and functions as it should barring some minor glitches. The bike has given me no operational issues to speak of. Yes, it can be a little fussy and buggy. But I acknowledge how much electronics and software are involved in the bike, also being the first of its kind. It is hard to work on, but better than prior models. Parts are expensive, but readily available. The RC8R has to be the bike I've owned with the highest build quality and engineering. ALTHOUGH, the parts are hard to get and very expensive. The BMW was likewise in terms of quality, and the Honda's were what you'd expect.

What I now understand though, is the 1199 may have some stupid problems to have, but I've never had a bike with as much soul to it. It is the sexiest sounding machine I've heard, close battle with the RC8R with an Akra. I'm glad I own one, very unique; having no frame and DES etc... I can know check it off my list, and look forward to a S1000RR down the line as I do my around the world tour...

[Vance]

IDK if this will help at all, looks like you already ruled them out (Ducati) BUT...

Sadly the entire 848 / 1198 / 1199 was ruled out both because of price and because of the fact that despite by absolutely admiration and infatuation with the looks of the series - the spousal unit actually named that as the only bike she actually HATES the looks of for some reason (despite liking the 996 / 998 looks). Women! Sometimes (97.1875%) they just don't make any sense.

[TransNone13]

I saw a RC8 at Fay for sale, 08 used... They are pretty comfy. I won't lie the 1199 is the only model I like besides the Desmo and 999 insofar as superbikes.

[laspariahs]

Mine was an '03.

Every indication I've heard is the Rotax engines are still exponentially easier to work on than ANY Ducati (rated at about $1000 ever 6000 miles from a shop)... comparative to about $500-600 every 9000 or 10,000 miles for an Aprilia from a shop)

That (the Aprilia) to me is reasonable. The Duc - that would potentially stretch my annual repair/upkeep budget more than I'd prefer. Not out of bounds for possibility - but definitely at the high end of comfort margins.

Yeah ducatis are money pits for sure. The aprilia isn't any where near as bad, but, it's still not as cheap as a japanese bike.

[TransNone13]

Yeah ducatis are money pits for sure. The aprilia isn't any where near as bad, but, it's still not as cheap as a japanese bike.

I paid $400 or so for my initial service so far... That's it, and like I said I'm at 6100. My second service is at 7500 miles and is checks and an oil change... I have my own filters already and use my own oil sooo, I'm paying for checks and a light reset. First major service is 15000, $900 or so. Like I said, this bike is a HUGE improvement for Ducati.

[laspariahs]

I paid $400 or so for my initial service so far... That's it, and like I said I'm at 6100. My second service is at 7500 miles and is checks and an oil change... I have my own filters already and use my own oil sooo, I'm paying for checks and a light reset. First major service is 15000, $900 or so. Like I said, this bike is a HUGE improvement for Ducati.

It is a huge improvement.... As you said for Ducati.

Still wouldn't buy one. I mean from what you said, it sounds pretty terrible, imho, it's really expensive, and it's the cheapest quality..... I guess I don't know what soul is, or have no appreciation for it. They are gorgeous though, but even if I were seriously rich I don't think I would buy one.

I don't begrudge people that buy them, I mean I can see clearly why people buy them, but they just aren't for me. The only reason I bring the cost of running up is because people need to know what they are getting in to. The price of the vehicle isn't the only cost of ownership, not by a long shot.

I like my Aprilia and I'm probably not going to sell it any time soon, though. It will be my last European car/motorcycle, I'm pretty much tired of looking for special fluids or fixing them, the cars that is, the aprilia has never broken down, can't say that for the german cars I've owned, not even close and I take meticulous care of the vehicles I own, so there's no excuse.

[JonnyD]

Well I never entirely ruled the VFR out Dirk...
I've always seen it as more of a sport-tour - not QUITE as sport-tour as say my BMW was - but not nearly as aggressive as what I'm used to.



It's my understanding that the VFR's are as close to sport as you can get and still have hard saddlebags. VERY sporty! I can't compare editions, but I only heard the 16k valve check is pricey (over 1k) and that thing was a crazy fun bike above 7k ish RPM. VTEC is a pretty awesome technology when you're going for a bike with everything. And it's looks are :headbang:

As for the RC, I paid $7200 OTD 1.5 years ago and honestly haven't regretted it. Came with power commander, yosh pipes, corbin seat, undertail, and 20000ish miles. It's got 35ish on it now and I've had the valves checked, resprung for my weight, revalved, couple sets of tires, new chain/sprockets, brake pads, the usual fully synthetic Mobil 1 changes, I'd say about 2k of stuff done/installed since I've owned it. Knowing what I do now about how much fun this bike is - I would have paid double.

Just go talk HD down on this one (someone got the bum end on this tradein): WTF IS THIS DOING AT A HARLEY DEALERSHIP (http://6394.solidautonet.com/web_display/view/8332914)
I'll bet they still have it in February and will be much more interested in getting it out of their showroom :)

[TransNone13]

Yeah luckily aftermarket parts fix many issues and I'd be doing it anyway. As for the paint I'm going to go full carbon when I can afford it, so screw it right?

[Snowman]

Here you go Vance :eyebrows: http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48160Do it... Do it... Do it...

[dirkterrell]

It's my understanding that the VFR's are as close to sport as you can get and still have hard saddlebags. VERY sporty! I can't compare editions, but I only heard the 16k valve check is pricey (over 1k) and that thing was a crazy fun bike above 7k ish RPM.

It was about $700 for mine as I recall, but everything was within spec. I have known people who put 100K hard miles on these things and never did any valve checks. These bikes are very well engineered.

So, back to Vance's question. With the 6th gen, you get a more modern bike and finding aftermarket bits is easier. You also have more color choices (6th: red,white,silver,black, RWB, versus red or yellow for the 5th gen). The 6th gen also had ABS as an option. Looks are subjective, of course, but I greatly prefer the more angular look of the 6th gen, especially on the back end.

For me, the perfect 750/800 VFR would be the 6th gen body/frame/suspension, a 5th gen motor, and the weight of the 2nd gen. The undertail exhaust of the 6th gen looks very clean and shows off the single-sided swingarm (as well as being less of a burn hazard for passengers). You really can't go wrong with any of them. The heart of the VFR's appeal is the V4 engine. The smooth power delivery is what people love about them. They have good torque on the low end without sacrificing high-revving power up top. This makes them deceptively fast if you are used to the top-end rush of a similar displacement inline 4. They just pull and pull and pull, and all of a sudden you realize that you are doing your-bike-gets-impounded speeds. The first time you accelerate one though a corner, you'll understand the appeal of the V4.

And then there is that V4 sound (video courtesy of Steve Farson; 6th gen first and then two 5th gens; you can hear the whine of the cam gears on the latter two):

http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~terrell/bikes/vfrflyby.wmv (http://www.boulder.swri.edu/%7Eterrell/bikes/vfrflyby.wmv)

[Vance]

It was about $700 for mine as I recall, but everything was within spec. I have known people who put 100K hard miles on these things and never did any valve checks. These bikes are very well engineered.

So, back to Vance's question. With the 6th gen, you get a more modern bike and finding aftermarket bits is easier. You also have more color choices (6th: red,white,silver,black, RWB, versus red or yellow for the 5th gen). The 6th gen also had ABS as an option. Looks are subjective, of course, but I greatly prefer the more angular look of the 6th gen, especially on the back end.

For me, the perfect 750/800 VFR would be the 6th gen body/frame/suspension, a 5th gen motor, and the weight of the 2nd gen. The undertail exhaust of the 6th gen looks very clean and shows off the single-sided swingarm (as well as being less of a burn hazard for passengers). You really can't go wrong with any of them. The heart of the VFR's appeal is the V4 engine. The smooth power delivery is what people love about them. They have good torque on the low end without sacrificing high-revving power up top. This makes them deceptively fast if you are used to the top-end rush of a similar displacement inline 4. They just pull and pull and pull, and all of a sudden you realize that you are doing your-bike-gets-impounded speeds. The first time you accelerate one though a corner, you'll understand the appeal of the V4.

And then there is that V4 sound (video courtesy of Steve Farson; 6th gen first and then two 5th gens; you can hear the whine of the cam gears on the latter two):

http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~terrell/bikes/vfrflyby.wmv (http://www.boulder.swri.edu/%7Eterrell/bikes/vfrflyby.wmv)

Brilliant!

Thanks for the comprehensive evaluation Dirk!

[Vance]

Do it... Do it... Do it...

Just for reference... :jawdrop: ... I still have wood over this bike at that price with that setup.

[rybo]

My experience with the Aprilia is purely on the racetrack, but I can say that hands down it's a better bike than my Ducati was for a number of reasons (and I loved my Ducati)

1) it's easier to work on - parts are more accessible on the bike
2) parts are cheaper and seem to be more available. AF1 in Texas seems to be a very solid supplier of OEM parts. The aftermarket isn't quite as strong, but everything seems considerably more durable.

Jim's bike is an excellent example of the first generation RSV's and would be at the top of my list for a new streetbike.

Scott

[Snowman]

Just for reference... :jawdrop: ... I still have wood over this bike at that price with that setup.Then stop with the foreplay, it will make you go blind...

[UHATEIT]

The 675 Triumph Daytona is a dream bike for me. But for reliability and cheap to fix and last for EVAH go with an SV650 :) Then you get a sweet vtwin sound without the cost/maintenance of a Ducati

[kawasakirob]

Based on my budget it would appear I can easily get into good condition 02-03 Aprilia still have money left over if I play it right and am particular.

Ducati not likely - but definitely seeing potential to return to Aprilia.

As for the RC51s... looking on Cycletrader those damn things sure are commanding a premium aren't they?

Freaking Fay Bugermeistermeisterburger is asking $7200 for an 05??? Sure it has under 10k miles but really? 7200???
KBB on that is just shy of $6200 on that bike in excellent condition.
No disrespect to Fay but are they on freaking crack?

A freaking 2008 VFR is carrying a $7100 KBB rate --- not an 05 RC51!!!

DAYUM!

RC51's with low miles are going all day for the mid 5's on Cycletrader. There is an 04 Nicky Hayden Edition with all the goodies and only 3100mi going for 5400. Only issue ( for your requirements) is it comes with highmounts. Whatever option you choose have fun with the bike. I'm out of this thread.

[Vance]

RC51's with low miles are going all day for the mid 5's on Cycletrader. There is an 04 Nicky Hayden Edition with all the goodies and only 3100mi going for 5400. Only issue ( for your requirements) is it comes with highmounts. Whatever option you choose have fun with the bike. I'm out of this thread.

Ummm... querying 02 on RC51s here's what came up:

7400
7500
6990
7500
7299
6589
6199
5499
4998
4850
4999
5250
5750
4999

I would not exactly say "RC51's with low miles are going all day for the mid 5's on Cycletrader"... to me that looks like a lot of people are overvaluing them - especially Fay who has one of the 4 most expensive ones on the list.

[Vance]

The "Battle of the Used Bike Options" would appear to be officially over, done, finito, concluded. Test rides, where possible, have been taken. Real live "I sat / rode" comparisons formulated... top 3 concluded very quickly with a "winner" in sight - and a clear undeniable opportunity for ownership (hopefully, barring any financial mishaps between now and then) locked in.

Now the official countdown to ownership begins at T-minus 129 days and counting down.

Thank you all for your information and input! It was greatly appreciated, educational, and important to helping create the final 3 and the final decision as it currently stands! :)

[asp_125]

Remember, it didn't happen without pics!

[Vance]

Remember, it didn't happen without pics!

I can't post pics until I actually own it!

Then... I guarantee there will be pics in some form.
In the garage...
...In various outside locations...
...In various indoor locations (studio or other places I can go all True Lies on with it)...
...Being inappropriately fondled by myself, my wife, and/or models who I can convince to do inappropriate things to/with the bike...
...Being wiped with my new baby's behind... (in this case my soon-to-be son who will be arriving before the bike, not referring to wiping the bike with another part of the bike)...

Oh there will be pictures!!!

[Vance]

Well ladies and gentlemen,
If you missed it in the pictures section --- I am, thanks to my lovely wife who bought it for me, the owner of formerly Jim Wilson's rather decked out 2001 RSV Mille R! :)

I couldn't be happier to be back on an Aprilia twin. It really came down to this or a T595 / 955i Gen1 series Daytona litre bike... but this one, basically skillfully worked over with every modification I could possibly have wanted when I owned my '03 R, was too good to pass up!

Thank you Jim... she will be very well taken care of and ridden like an Italian goddess should be! :eyebrows:

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=213468&d=1360381266

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=213469&d=1360381278

[Ghosty]

Rad! Congrats, and just in time for Spring. Your wifey's a keeper!

[koop]

Nice pick up. All the cool kids ride apes.