Cops did it again!

[deadline]

How can anyone think good about police after hearing stories like this one???

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/06/innocent-deaf-woman-tased-and-jailed-for-days-without-interpreter-in-tacoma/

[madvlad]

Wow...

[#1Townie]

Sad.

[King Nothing]

yeah! FTP! F'in pigs!

[CaneZach]

How can anyone think good about police after hearing stories like this one???

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/06/innocent-deaf-woman-tased-and-jailed-for-days-without-interpreter-in-tacoma/


Yeah, f'in pigs! It's not like they ever do anything good anyway. The whole lot of 'em are useless, amiright?

[Ninja2]

Yeah, f'in pigs! It's not like they ever do anything good anyway. The whole lot of 'em are useless, amiright?
Yup. That pretty much sums it up!

[Bueller]

They should all be flogged for the mistakes of the few, that'll make things right.

[Ezzzzy1]

They should all be flogged for the mistakes of the few, that'll make things right.

Throwing one to the wolves wouldnt hurt :devil2:

[kalibra]

mob mentality

[Filo]

Get the pitchforks and torches. We's gonna have a good time tonight.

[Nick_Ninja]

Where do I contribute to the poor woman's defense fund :D

[~Barn~]

They should all be flogged for the mistakes of the few, that'll make things right.

Very promising proposal actually.

[Ghosty]

LMAO, the posts in here so far are priceless.

Poor lady, geeze, hope a good lawyer helps her sue the shit outta the Tacoma pigs involved. (yes I know most cops are good, but these ones are pigs!)

[Ghost]

LMAO, the posts in here so far are priceless.


Welcome to CSC?

[Ghosty]

I just like the rough split on "hang the pigs" vs. "there's only a few bad apples" folks. :D

[deadline]

LMAO, the posts in here so far are priceless.

Poor lady, geeze, hope a good lawyer helps her sue the shit outta the Tacoma pigs involved. (yes I know not all cops are pigs, but these ones are!)

If she sues... guess who is going to pay for this mess! the taxpayers. So people are going to be screwed in the aftermath of this as well.

[#1Townie]

Yeah, f'in pigs! It's not like they ever do anything good anyway. The whole lot of 'em are useless, amiright?

“That it is better that 100 guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer, is a maxim that has been long and generally approved.”

Pretty sure our founding fathers would have a problem with shit like this. Also im sure they would agree that armed law enforcement would be unconstitutional.

[Ninja2]

:horse:

[stubbicatt]

I can't blame the officer who saw her running towards him, as he did not know who she was or anything other than it probably appeared to him his safety was in jeopardy.

Nonetheless, this is unfortunate. Even more unfortunate is that they didn't provide an ASL interpreter for her as they were required to do. Two days in the can with those reprobates, no way to communicate, and no reason to be there. Sad.

What do you suppose 2 days of your life are worth that you missed, and then two days of your life in that place?

[Keyser Soze]

They should all be flogged for the mistakes of the few, that'll make things right.

Perhaps just holding them accountable for their actions would be a good start...

[bulldog]

I can't blame the officer who saw her running towards him, as he did not know who she was or anything other than it probably appeared to him his safety was in jeopardy.

Except the article states the cops were made aware she was deaf beforehand :dunno:

"Tacoma Police Officers Ryan Koskovich and Michael Young arrived at the apartment complex about six minutes later. Police records obtained by KIRO showed that both officers had been repeatedly informed that White was deaf."


Now I agree that there are good cops, but seems odd to me that so many people have had issues with their abuse of power. Usually if it happens often enough for "decent" people (like on this board) to dislike cops means it very well may be a problem that needs to be addressed. For the cops on the board you have to realize that you are most likely treated differently by other cops when they find out you are also a cop; so maybe you are not seeing the same viewpoint as others. Just a thought.....

And yes I feel I have had cops abuse their power more than once. Biggest one that comes to mind is the cop swerving in front of me where I had to smoke my brakes to not hit him. His excuse "You were speeding and I thought you were going to run; most sportbikers do". Sh*t I had no time at all and one minute I was going around a corner in Deckers and the next minute I was fearing for my life that I would hit his car. Yeah I was speding, but trying to kill me wasn't justified. Told it to the judge and she didn't even take it serious.

[I`m Batman]

Note to self - Don't RUN towards officers... just walk calmly.

I don't blame the cops. I would probably had done the same thing. Responding to a violence call then someone started to run towards me, I would've done the exact same thing.

[Nick_Ninja]

LMAO, the posts in here so far are priceless.

Poor lady, geeze, hope a good lawyer helps her sue the shit outta the Tacoma pigs involved. (yes I know most cops are good, but these ones are pigs!)

Ya can put lipstick on a pig ............. :roll:

[Bueller]

Perhaps just holding them accountable for their actions would be a good start...
My comment was tongue in cheek response to the OP and initial responses. I would love to see some accountability for some of the misuse of authority, which unfortunately hardly ever happens, but to lump all cops together as untrustworthy is silly.

[SaShWhO]

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wasn't me mutherfuckers!!!!!

[Dr. Joe Siphek]

i'm sure the only sign language cops know is the tall finger. how sad for this lady, i hope she is paid nicely for this injustice. It might be a different story if it was a lady cop, or if it was a man, it might be more understandable, but a DEAF LADY...c'mon big threat there.

[Foolds]

Yeah, f'in pigs! It's not like they ever do anything good anyway. The whole lot of 'em are useless, amiright?

Them Staties are the worst.. F them :slap:

[King Nothing]

Them Staties are the worst.. F them :slap:
This

[Zanatos]

Look on the bright side. At least the cop didn't kick the deaf woman in the head after he Tasered and handcuffed her.

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/196495-1/Cop-kicks-handcuffed-woman.gif

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I can't blame the officer who saw her running towards him, as he did not know who she was or anything other than it probably appeared to him his safety was in jeopardy.

Nonetheless, this is unfortunate. Even more unfortunate is that they didn't provide an ASL interpreter for her as they were required to do. Two days in the can with those reprobates, no way to communicate, and no reason to be there. Sad.

What do you suppose 2 days of your life are worth that you missed, and then two days of your life in that place?
Agreed. A cop puts his fucking hand up in a "STOP"! gesture, and she keps running at him. Big surprise the outcome, right? SRSLY?

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Look on the bright side. At least the cop didn't kick the deaf woman in the head after he Tasered and handcuffed her.

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/196495-1/Cop-kicks-handcuffed-woman.gif
Interesting video. All you usually see from the carefully cropped video is the cop kicking her. Looks like she started it and got one iin return.

[mdub]

Agreed. A cop puts his fucking hand up in a "STOP"! gesture, and she keps running at him. Big surprise the outcome, right? SRSLY?


having that man oops woman coming at you with guttered words would frk me out a bit as well.

[#1Townie]

Agreed. A cop puts his fucking hand up in a "STOP"! gesture, and she keps running at him. Big surprise the outcome, right? SRSLY?

Thats funny because the witness said he didnt put his hand up. Big surprise the def chick didn't hear his commands.

Okay lets just agree to disagree on the tazing. How about keeping her locked up the way they did? You truly think the da would drop the charges if the cops didnt fuck up?

As for the kicking video... come the fuck on man. Cops are the professional. Its up to every officer to be the professional in any situation. Now if he was fighting for his life... sure curb the bitch. She was cuffed and sitting on the ground. I bet that kick sure did sting.

Instead of acting as ignorant as the bitch he should have just put another charge on her and called it a day.

Its called excessive force for this very reason. If he cant keep his cool he needs to find another job.

Fuck that pig too.

[deadline]

What he said!!

Moreover... the only reason they arrested her was to cover their asses... charged victim looks less innocent.

[nicklk]

Dog lovers, this might be hard to watch

http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/grap..._east_vill.php (http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/graphic_video_dog_shot_in_east_vill.php)

BTW dog is still alive in critical condition.

Cops lovin their guns!

[Bueller]

These are the ones that get me, obvious excessive that was punished and then overturned.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31357625/detail.html
Of course it was a thief, and everyone hates thieves but punishment can not be left up to the police.

[laspariahs]

These are the ones that get me, obvious excessive that was punished and then overturned.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31357625/detail.html
Of course it was a thief, and everyone hates thieves but punishment can not be left up to the police.

They protect their own, no matter what, which is why when one cop fucks up, they bring them all down. Until cops stop protecting their own all cops are filthy.

[bulldog]

Dog lovers, this might be hard to watch

http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/grap..._east_vill.php (http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/graphic_video_dog_shot_in_east_vill.php)

BTW dog is still alive in critical condition.

Cops lovin their guns! Wow, what I don't get it why they had their guns pulled out ahead of time for a dog. I am not a cop but I would think there are things like mace or even a stun gun to use at that point other than a gun. Not to mention there seemed to be a lot of people around and what about richochet!


Someone posted this link a while back that shows Police Misconduct around the country . I am not trying to cop bash (there are obviously good ones), but I had to stop looking at the link because it really elevated my fear of cops and really makes me question the power we give them.
http://www.policemisconduct.net/

Just from a few days ago (Aug 13th) they show 11 reports
* Arlington, Texas: A video that shows an officer body-slamming a 15-yr-old girl has prompted the police dept. to start an investigation into the incident. (video of 15 girl being slammed on conCrete by cop is shown on link) http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2012/08/arlington-police-investigate-video-showing-officer-breaking-up-fights-body-slamming-teen.html/

* Santa Maria, California: A teenager has sued the city of Santa Maria, claiming she was repeatedly raped by a police officer who was shot and killed by a fellow officer after a struggle to avoid arrest. http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/12/4718717/teen-sues-calif-city-claiming.html

* Jacksonville, Florida: An officer pleaded guilty to two sex counts involving one girl under 18, and one under 12.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-08-09/story/former-jacksonville-cop-pleads-guilty-2-sex-counts-involving-girls

THESE ARE ALL JUST REPORTS IN ONE DAY! CAN PEOPLE REALLY SAY THIS HAS NOT BECOME A PROBLEM? JUST LOOK AT THE LINK AND THE STORIES AND THEN SAY IT ISN'T....

[dirkterrell]

These are the ones that get me, obvious excessive that was punished and then overturned.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31357625/detail.html
Of course it was a thief, and everyone hates thieves but punishment can not be left up to the police.

Yeah, there is something quite rotten in DPD, as I have said many times on this board before. I thought some positive changes were being made with these suspensions and dismissals, but it's clear that we haven't gotten to the true source of the stench. Law enforcement officers are given great powers by the people and when they blatantly abuse those powers, and especially when they are deceptive about it afterwards, they need to be banned from serving in positions of such power for life.

I would like to see the final report of this review and hear the argument that justifies pushing a compliant, handcuffed citizen into a wall and then taking him to the ground. Why did the civil service commission not allow the video as evidence? Why was testimony stricken? These are the kinds of questions that the reporter should have been exploring but apparently didn't.

[Ghosty]

Look on the bright side. At least the cop didn't kick the deaf woman in the head after he Tasered and handcuffed her.
That's a fucking pig right there, not a good cop.


Agreed. A cop puts his fucking hand up in a "STOP"! gesture, and she keps running at him. Big surprise the outcome, right? SRSLY?
Townie answered that:

Thats funny because the witness said he didnt put his hand up. Big surprise the def chick didn't hear his commands.

Fuck that pig too.
Agreed!


Interesting video. All you usually see from the carefully cropped video is the cop kicking her. Looks like she started it and got one in return.
Yeah that sounds about right, and guess what, it's still bullshit. "An eye for an eye" isn't actually legal, lol!


These are the ones that get me, obvious excessive that was punished and then overturned.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31357625/detail.html (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31357625/detail.html)
Of course it was a thief, and everyone hates thieves but punishment can not be left up to the police.
The guy wasn't resisting or anything, obvious excessive force. Another pig, I mean "bad apple".

[Foolds]

Guys just like Sport bike riders, Trash Truck Drivers, Hockey Moms.. There are bad people in every walk of life.. Some happen to have a badge and a gun. This dosn't make every cop a bad person.. I have several friends who are cops and are great people who really do care. I'm sure even they have made mistakes in there work as well. NO BODY IS PERFECT.

[Nick_Ninja]

Guys just like Sport bike riders, Trash Truck Drivers, Hockey Moms.. There are bad people in every walk of life.. Some happen to have a badge and a gun. This dosn't make every cop a bad person.. I have several friends who are cops and are great people who really do care. I'm sure even they have made mistakes in there work as well. NO BODY IS PERFECT.

So when does the Blueline get painted. My guess never. :roll:

[bulldog]

Guys just like Sport bike riders, Trash Truck Drivers, Hockey Moms.. There are bad people in every walk of life.. Some happen to have a badge and a gun. This dosn't make every cop a bad person.. I have several friends who are cops and are great people who really do care. I'm sure even they have made mistakes in there work as well. NO BODY IS PERFECT. Except their mistake kill people. This ain't a job where severe mistakes can be made. I don't think anyone is saying all cops are bad though, just that a lot of abuse of power happens and with more people having cameras/video it is coming to light.

P.S. Plus we all know you want to be a cop JJ. How else is a 100pnd guy like yourself ever going to bully another guy without a badge and gun. Everyone knows you already carry a knife with you at all times already :lol:


Dang another one sent to me today!
DEA leaves asian student in holding cell for five days without food or water http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/dea-leaves-asian-student-in-holding-cell-for-five-days-without-food-or-water.159726/

I find it hard to beleive nobody heard this kid; especially since he said he could hear voices. My guess is he was a asshole to the DEA agent and/or wouldn't give up the dealer.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Thats funny because the witness said he didnt put his hand up. Big surprise the def chick didn't hear his commands.

Okay lets just agree to disagree on the tazing. How about keeping her locked up the way they did? You truly think the da would drop the charges if the cops didnt fuck up?

As for the kicking video... come the fuck on man. Cops are the professional. Its up to every officer to be the professional in any situation. Now if he was fighting for his life... sure curb the bitch. She was cuffed and sitting on the ground. I bet that kick sure did sting.

Instead of acting as ignorant as the bitch he should have just put another charge on her and called it a day.

Its called excessive force for this very reason. If he cant keep his cool he needs to find another job.

Fuck that pig too.
Professional does not mean "punching bag" for every douchebag with an attitude. She kicked him, he gave her one back, and stopped there. Now, if he'd taken his nightstick out and beat her with it, totally different story, but he gave her a lick to stop her fighting, and to me, that was appropriate. People need to realize you can't just go assaulting cops. Period.

I'd take the cops word about raising his hand over a ghetto douchebag anyday.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Dog lovers, this might be hard to watch

http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/grap..._east_vill.php (http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/graphic_video_dog_shot_in_east_vill.php)

BTW dog is still alive in critical condition.

Cops lovin their guns!
Jesus, are you fucking kidding me? There's a guy laying on his back totally out of it, the cops don't know if the dog attacked him or not, the dog is acting agressively, the dog then fucking ATTACKS a woman nearby, then goes for the cop and people whine that the dog got shot? Fucking seriously??? If nothing else, if the guy was dying, the dog was preventing ANY medical assistance to the guy on the ground. I would have shot it. Honestly I think it was a great shot. Also, someone should have shot all those assholes screaming in the background..... People are fucking idiots.... So, would they rather the guy die while laying there just to save the dog?

[bulldog]

Professional does not mean "punching bag" for every douchebag with an attitude. She kicked him, he gave her one back, and stopped there. Now, if he'd taken his nightstick out and beat her with it, totally different story, but he gave her a lick to stop her fighting, and to me, that was appropriate. People need to realize you can't just go assaulting cops. Period.

I'd take the cops word about raising his hand over a ghetto douchebag anyday. Serious Frank? If you consider that lame kick she hit him with equal, then you are whimpier than I gave you credit for; that girl could kick me allday like that and I would laugh. He would be lucky to get a bruise and she is lucky if she didn't get a concusion. Not to mention look at it and he kicks her in the back of the head; the worst place to be hit because it can cause blindness (UFC doesn't even allow fighters to hit on back of head like that)! Like Townie said hit that lady with another charge; that is his job, not to get even with violence.


Jesus, are you fucking kidding me? There's a guy laying on his back totally out of it, the cops don't know if the dog attacked him or not, the dog is acting agressively, the dog then fucking ATTACKS a woman nearby, then goes for the cop and people whine that the dog got shot? Fucking seriously??? I would have shot it. Got a problem with that? Go bitch to the OWNER of the dog who was nowhere to be seen. Honestly I think it was a great shot. Also, someone should have shot all those assholes screaming in the background..... Owner is on ground after having a seizure man; exactly why dog is attacking because he knows no better. Like I said earlier was a gun the appropriate way to deal with it? Would you say the same if that bullet went through the dog and ricocheted and hit your daugher? Are cops even suppose to discharge their weapons in a crowd of people?

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Serious Frank? If you consider that lame kick she hit him with equal, then you are whimpier than I gave you credit for; that girl could kick me allday like that and I would laugh. He would be lucky to get a bruise and she is lucky if she didn't get a concusion. Like Townie said hit that lady with another charge; that is his job, not to get even with violence.
He was attacked, he ended the attack. Simple. He's allowed to use force to restrain a subject regardless of whether she seriously hurt him or not. He did not ESCALATE the level of force. People NEED to realize that you can't go around assaulting cops.

Owner is on ground after having a seizure man; exactly why dog is attacking because he knows no better. Like I said earlier was a gun the appropriate way to deal with it? Would you say the same if that bullet went through the dog and ricocheted and hit your daugher?
“Most of us figured out that when he’s passed out, whether he’s overdosing or not, leave him alone,” the friend, Brandon Verna, said. “If he’s going to die, call an ambulance and have them deal with it because no one wants to get bitten.”

Exactly. If they had an animal officer right there, to prevent the woman from getting attacked they should have tried that......but they didn't, and when the dog went after the officer he got shot. I see nothing wrong with protecting yourself. I'D have certainly shot the dog. No hesitation. I mean, I like dogs, but i refuse to let one bite me if I've got a means to end the attack. Note they did NOT shot him again. The cop was forced into it by a badly-behaving animal, even by his friends admission.

I agree abot the POSSIBILITY of a stray shot. Which is why the officere did NOT shoot until he had no choice. You cannot expect a man to just get bitten like that and not defend himself. If the cop was carrying a machete, I'd rather he used that to prevent any stray shots, but even in the urban jungle of NYC, they can't.

[salsashark]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/Wockman/Randumb9/d6c4e1fd.gif

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/Wockman/Randumb9/d6c4e1fd.gif
Bwahahaha! Oh man, serious FAIL! I take it this clown didn't qualify for the Olympic hurdles team..... :)

Maybe if his pants hadn't been all "fashionably" baggy and around his knees he'd have made it? ;)

[~Barn~]

As I think he's proven to us time and time again... Frank = Simple
(notice the use of bold text for emphasis)

I mean come on... He would have bystanders shot because they're screaming. You just can't make any more sense than that! These people are screaming during a stressful situation, and the most simple way to solve this distraction is to kill them.

Don't you guys see this man's obvious genius?!?

[Ghosty]

I agree that dudes who "sag" their jeans and/or wear their EdHardy/Famous/Tapout/Affliction ballcaps sideways, deserve to be victims of police brutality. :D

[bulldog]

As I think he's proven to us time and time again... Frank = Simple
(notice the use of bold text for emphasis)

I mean come on... He would have bystanders shot because they're screaming. You just can't make any more sense than that! These people are screaming during a stressful situation, and the most simple way to solve this distraction is to kill them.

Don't you guys see this man's obvious genius?!? :spit:

[Bueller]

As I think he's proven to us time and time again... Frank = Simple
(notice the use of bold text for emphasis)

..........

Don't you guys see this man's obvious genius?!?
The best we can ever hope for is a learned ability to multi-quote someday.

[I`m Batman]

Dog lovers, this might be hard to watch

http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/grap..._east_vill.php (http://gothamist.com/2012/08/14/graphic_video_dog_shot_in_east_vill.php)

BTW dog is still alive in critical condition.

Cops lovin their guns!


I think the cop did the right thing. I would've done the same thing too if the dog was acting aggressive and running towards me.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

As I think he's proven to us time and time again... Frank = Simple
(notice the use of bold text for emphasis)

I mean come on... He would have bystanders shot because they're screaming. You just can't make any more sense than that! These people are screaming during a stressful situation, and the most simple way to solve this distraction is to kill them.

Don't you guys see this man's obvious genius?!?
You forgot, more importantly: EFFECTIVE. (bold text for emphasis)

Brilliant! :)

Ok, so, I wouldn't have actually shot those idiots screaming. Maybe a good macing and tazing would do..... (Shots fired == paperwork)...... :)

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I agree that dudes who "sag" their jeans and/or wear their EdHardy/Famous/Tapout/Affliction ballcaps sideways, deserve to be victims of police brutality. :D
I'd be up for that.....but seriously, do you think it was brutality that the cop tackled the guy? SRSLY? If so, you'd make a perfect anarchist. I mean, the ass-clown was running from the cops, and did something stupid, and was tackled. I saw ZERO wrong there. What, did you think the guy was just gonna STOP and give up? Jesus.....kids these days...... ;)

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

The best we can ever hope for is a learned ability to multi-quote someday.
Fuck that.......

But, I did learn how to do simple deflection analysis in Mechanica today on advanced 3D models I built.

So, how have your advanced "Stimulus/Response" skills served you today? :)

[Ghosty]

I'd be up for that.....but seriously, do you think it was brutality that the cop tackled the guy? SRSLY? If so, you'd make a perfect anarchist. I mean, the ass-clown was running from the cops, and did something stupid, and was tackled. I saw ZERO wrong there. What, did you think the guy was just gonna STOP and give up? Jesus.....kids these days...... ;)
No I don't think it was brutality. My post was suppose to stand on it's own, a general statement about saggy-pants GHETTO FUCKS, lol. Yeah, I think the cop was fine tackling the idiot who tried to run up the bumper.

[rforsythe]

Fuck that.......

But, I did learn how to do simple deflection analysis in Mechanica today on advanced 3D models I built.

So, how have your advanced "Stimulus/Response" skills served you today? :)

I am pretty sure Frank has 3D solid models of various democrats' faces, in order to do repeated stress analysis to find their breaking points with various implements.

[Captain Obvious]

Shoot the dog. He has no obligation to risk himself to an animal that just attacked someone else and is attacking him. Sorry that the dog was likely trying to defend its owner, but need to give medical attention out weights the need to cuddle an attacking animal.

Fire and charge the kicking officer. The suspect was seated and handcuffed, no longer posing a serious threat, esp with backup right there. She should have been hogtied and tossed in the back of a car.

[~Barn~]

You gotta admit though, it was a nice kick to the the lid. Counter-shifted his weight to the opposing hip. Right arm goes out slightly to balance the impact of his shin into the back of her head. There was definite ardency in that.

Temper control issues = Not a good police candidate

[Captain Obvious]

You gotta admit though, it was a nice kick to the the lid. Counter-shifted his weight to the opposing hip. Right arm goes out slightly to balance the impact of his shin into the back of her head. There was definite ardency in that.

Temper control issues = Not a good police candidate

I'd say it was more of a pop than a kick. :)

[#1Townie]

I am a big pro pit. I love mine with all my heart. That poor situation is just that. The man needed help. The dog was scared and went into protection mode. Its sad but that is the reason i love pits. If im in danger i know my boys will put their lives on the line to save me. I would have been sad if that was my dog but i would have understood why the cop did what he did.

As for the kick in the head. Frank please reread my last post. It stops amazing me how quick you bitch about the system but when it comes to obvious police brutality and misconduct you blindly follow cops.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I am pretty sure Frank has 3D solid models of various democrats' faces, in order to do repeated stress analysis to find their breaking points with various implements.
Dood, you are GENIUS! I take back everything I ever said about you......(In the last month or so.....) :)

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

You gotta admit though, it was a nice kick to the the lid. Counter-shifted his weight to the opposing hip. Right arm goes out slightly to balance the impact of his shin into the back of her head. There was definite ardency in that.

Temper control issues = Not a good police candidate
I noticed that too, decent form. I like the block he did first, then the kick.

Like I said, if she hadn't kicked him, he wouldn't have had to subdue her. If he'd KEPT on beating her, or hit her with a nightstick, etc., then I can see "brutality", but it wasn't. He did not escalate the force. I can't fault him for what he did.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Shoot the dog. He has no obligation to risk himself to an animal that just attacked someone else and is attacking him. Sorry that the dog was likely trying to defend its owner, but need to give medical attention out weights the need to cuddle an attacking animal.
Ageed.

Fire and charge the kicking officer. The suspect was seated and handcuffed, no longer posing a serious threat, esp with backup right there. She should have been hogtied and tossed in the back of a car.
There I have to disagree. Being a cop does not mean beung a punching bad for a douchebag. A person does not HAVE to pose a "serious" (define that) or life-threatening threat to allow for use of force. A cop is allowed to comperable force if a perp is resisting or fighting. If I remember correctly, they ar eeven allowed to elevate the force one level. He took a whack, he gave one back, and stopped. I agree on the hogtied thing though.... ;)

x

[Ghosty]

Like I said, if she hadn't kicked him, he wouldn't have had to subdue her. If he'd KEPT on beating her, or hit her with a nightstick, etc., then I can see "brutality".
For this comment alone, I've decided you have NO common sense. Sorry. I agree she shouldn't have kicked him in the first place, but that doesn't justify his next action, imo. Especially handcuffed and sitting on the curb, not exactly a huge menacing threat.

Let us know how you feel when that's your friend or family that gets a pretty forceful kick to the back of the skull knocking them to the cement, after he/she barely smacks a cop with their bare foot...

:wait:

"Subdue her"... LMFAO!!!

[#1Townie]

Well guess what frank. Youre wrong. He was convicted of a felony.

http://m.therepublic.com/view/story/eae84a20198044749459f5e0e9ccd814/RI--Officer-Assault

[Ghosty]

Well guess what frank. Youre wrong. He was convicted of a felony.
Good riddance, power-tripping douchebag. Sorry you lost your temper, then your job, to fulfill your need to feel powerful over a female, LOL! Just like the DPD District-2 POWER TRIP cops downtown, they'll beat your ass if you so much as look at them sideways. Been caught on video MANY times.

[#1Townie]

Oh and look at this he had a history of being a prick.

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/providence-lincoln-officer-had-assault-conviction

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Well guess what frank. Youre wrong. He was convicted of a felony.

http://m.therepublic.com/view/story/eae84a20198044749459f5e0e9ccd814/RI--Officer-Assault
Dood, it's in Rhode Island, one of the flaming liberalist states ever. Yep, suspended sentence, that's REAL punishment. ;)

And, again, honestly, I don't have an issue with what he did. She shouldn't have assaulted him. Period. I think the (ok, YOU) kids these days have a totally warped sense of right and wrong. You don't assault cops. Period. What's so fucking hard to grasp about that? Ever think that perhaps the reason there MIGHT (big might) be more what you'd call bad cops today is because instead of respecting them as my grandparents, my parents, and I did, we have assholes who are always fucking with them? I don't know of a single person who was whacked or beaten that wasn't being a fucktard when it happened. Sometimes what they got went over the line, but the guys I knew that got a beat down either cold-cocked a cop, or were burglarizing a place and fought and fled from officers. I've been caught doing stupid speed on motorcycles, and since I've been respectful to the cops, I never had an issue. Also, the anarchist entitlement attitude of the kids is also appaling. We didn't have school or theater shootings, or riots, or shit like that. You have to have SOME respect for authority (not blind, and within reason) or you have anarchy. Is that what you really want? SRSLY?

Yes, I've met bad ones, and I know there are a few much worse that actively DO go out to abuse the power, but, there are far more criminals in prison and douchebags on the street than there are bad cops, by FAR.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Oh and look at this he had a history of being a prick.

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/providence-lincoln-officer-had-assault-conviction
...and I'm sure that twat had a history of being a vagina.....

He was assaulted, he dfended himself and prevented further assault, all I can say is RI is full of whiny pussies. Glad I don't live in that area any more.....

[Ghosty]

"Twat had a history of being a vagina"? Say it isn't so! Sounds like an Onion headline... :D I doubt very much it had anything to do with R.I. being a liberal state. The judge or jury saw the video, and made the appropriate call, good on them. The douche-pig obviously has anger mgmt issues from his prior history, so fuck him. Trying to run joggers off the road, LOL!

People thinking that specific retaliatory kick in the video was excessive and unnecessary, and people believing in anarchy are so completely different, don't even try to associate them.

[#1Townie]

Dood, it's in Rhode Island, one of the flaming liberalist states ever. Yep, suspended sentence, that's REAL punishment. ;)

And, again, honestly, I don't have an issue with what he did. She shouldn't have assaulted him. Period. I think the (ok, YOU) kids these days have a totally warped sense of right and wrong. You don't assault cops. Period. What's so fucking hard to grasp about that? Ever think that perhaps the reason there MIGHT (big might) be more what you'd call bad cops today is because instead of respecting them as my grandparents, my parents, and I did, we have assholes who are always fucking with them? I don't know of a single person who was whacked or beaten that wasn't being a fucktard when it happened. Sometimes what they got went over the line, but the guys I knew that got a beat down either cold-cocked a cop, or were burglarizing a place and fought and fled from officers. I've been caught doing stupid speed on motorcycles, and since I've been respectful to the cops, I never had an issue. Also, the anarchist entitlement attitude of the kids is also appaling. We didn't have school or theater shootings, or riots, or shit like that. You have to have SOME respect for authority (not blind, and within reason) or you have anarchy. Is that what you really want? SRSLY?

Yes, I've met bad ones, and I know there are a few much worse that actively DO go out to abuse the power, but, there are far more criminals in prison and douchebags on the street than there are bad cops, by FAR.

First dont talk to me like you know me you fucking hobbit. I feel bad for you frank. You seem to think actions like this are acceptable. Fact is they are not. Police are no different then you or i. Yes cops are allowed to use some force. This video clearly shows a retaliatory attack.

Against whay YOU find acceptable cops can not sentence people. Against what most the cops i ever met think they are not the law. They are not above the law.

His sentence is a veey acceptable one. Im surprised no anger management was tosses in with his probation.

Bring up my generation? Really you want to play that game? Okay fine. My generation didnt hand over this country to the political corruption that we have today. My generation didnt hand over this country to the hippies. It was not my generation that fell to the pc bullshit that is now a policy in thia country.

So before you try to throw a stone my way you better get your history straight. Im sick of people like you that blindly follow authority. People like you thay blindly vote for YOUR red and blue teams.

Come back to the table when you are no longer part of the problem of thia country.

I remember years ago you told me to get out of your country because i defended some kids that didn't take of their hats for the national anthem. Now im telling you to get out of mine. Nove to Russia if you like what that cop did. Fucking communist.

[#1Townie]

Even took the consideration to post the clean version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE9CXWV1alg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Drano]

With CM's logic, the next time a toddler kicks me in the shins, I'm going to full out roundhouse kick it to the face! I was just defending myself after all.

[Ghosty]

With CM's logic, the next time a toddler kicks me in the shins, I'm going to full out roundhouse kick it to the face! I was just defending myself after all.
That depends on whether said toddler was a lifelong twat/vagina. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/SpectralCat/Emoticons/laugh.gif

[#1Townie]

And has to be hand cuffed for the full threat to your life.

[bulldog]

Dood, it's in Rhode Island, one of the flaming liberalist states ever. Yep, suspended sentence, that's REAL punishment. ;)

And, again, honestly, I don't have an issue with what he did. She shouldn't have assaulted him. Period. I think the (ok, YOU) kids these days have a totally warped sense of right and wrong. You don't assault cops. Period. What's so fucking hard to grasp about that? Ever think that perhaps the reason there MIGHT (big might) be more what you'd call bad cops today is because instead of respecting them as my grandparents, my parents, and I did, we have assholes who are always fucking with them? I don't know of a single person who was whacked or beaten that wasn't being a fucktard when it happened. Sometimes what they got went over the line, but the guys I knew that got a beat down either cold-cocked a cop, or were burglarizing a place and fought and fled from officers. I've been caught doing stupid speed on motorcycles, and since I've been respectful to the cops, I never had an issue. Also, the anarchist entitlement attitude of the kids is also appaling. We didn't have school or theater shootings, or riots, or shit like that. You have to have SOME respect for authority (not blind, and within reason) or you have anarchy. Is that what you really want? SRSLY?

Yes, I've met bad ones, and I know there are a few much worse that actively DO go out to abuse the power, but, there are far more criminals in prison and douchebags on the street than there are bad cops, by FAR. Honestly I use to be a guy that disrespected cops (traffic cops), but them giving me more charges is what made me learn, not getting beat by one. Beating someone will just make them afraid of you and I don't think cops want that; just respect. Hit them with charges; their pocketbook and time they lose will eventually set in. Personally I'd love to still have a society where it was a eye for a eye and someone hits you, you can hit them back, but society does not work like that any longer and cops should be the first ones to set that example. Now of course there are times where a cop needs to use violence, but that wasn't one of them.

If you still agree CM, how about I let you kick me on the leg (while hancuffed) like that and for every kick I get to kick like the cop did in the head and then we will talk about if it was fair :D

[~Barn~]

Just watched the news piece on the R.I. "officer" who had a bit of a history of lashing out. What a drag that it always seems to be the wrong cops that get shot and killed. Sigh....

[dirkterrell]

I've looked at the video of the kick to the head and read various news reports about the case. I agree with Frank about her being wrong in kicking at the cop. That's just stupid and I'm sure her being intoxicated was a big factor in why the situation escalated as it did.

However, I disagree that a kick to the head in that situation was justified. A kick to the lower leg by a drunk, handcuffed and seated woman is not deadly force. A kick to the head is. That response was wrong. It was clearly a response grounded in anger, and that is a something we cannot allow a law enforcement officer to do. Law enforcement officers do not mete out punishment for behaviours. They arrest and bring people to be judged and punished by others, and there is a very good reason for doing things that way. Given this guy's previous conviction for assault, and his similar anger-based response in that case, this guy needs to find another line of work. We cannot have people with such issues doing the job of law enforcement.

I am one who was raised to respect authority, but I was also raised to have expectations on the integrity of those in authority, and to stand up when that authority was being abused. Even though this woman was wrong in what she did, the response was inappropriate and an abuse of the authority given to law enforcement. Law enforcement works only when it has the support of the people, and we need to make sure that when power is abused, it is met with an appropriate response and not justified by a blind allegiance to authority. His firing is quite justified in this case.

[Ghosty]

If you still agree CM, how about I let you kick me on the leg (while hancuffed) like that and for every kick I get to kick like the cop did in the head and then we will talk about if it was fair :D
Video please, sounds priceless. :D File it under "Social experiment to expand our knowlege of human behavior under duress".

[modette99]

If she sues... guess who is going to pay for this mess! the taxpayers. So people are going to be screwed in the aftermath of this as well.

Yep that is true...so the taxpayers should be demanding these flunkies be fired so not to be a liability anymore to their departments. Plenty of good people out there to fill those slots.

[modette99]

Agreed. A cop puts his fucking hand up in a "STOP"! gesture, and she keps running at him. Big surprise the outcome, right? SRSLY?

That is what the COP claims, no one else is making that claim.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Honestly I use to be a guy that disrespected cops (traffic cops), but them giving me more charges is what made me learn, not getting beat by one. Beating someone will just make them afraid of you and I don't think cops want that; just respect. Hit them with charges; their pocketbook and time they lose will eventually set in. Personally I'd love to still have a society where it was a eye for a eye and someone hits you, you can hit them back, but society does not work like that any longer and cops should be the first ones to set that example. Now of course there are times where a cop needs to use violence, but that wasn't one of them.

If you still agree CM, how about I let you kick me on the leg (while hancuffed) like that and for every kick I get to kick like the cop did in the head and then we will talk about if it was fair :D
Sure.....as long as you get to be the handcuffed vagina and I get to be the cop. :):p

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I've looked at the video of the kick to the head and read various news reports about the case. I agree with Frank about her being wrong in kicking at the cop. That's just stupid and I'm sure her being intoxicated was a big factor in why the situation escalated as it did.

However, I disagree that a kick to the head in that situation was justified. A kick to the lower leg by a drunk, handcuffed and seated woman is not deadly force. A kick to the head is. That response was wrong. It was clearly a response grounded in anger, and that is a something we cannot allow a law enforcement officer to do. Law enforcement officers do not mete out punishment for behaviours. They arrest and bring people to be judged and punished by others, and there is a very good reason for doing things that way. Given this guy's previous conviction for assault, and his similar anger-based response in that case, this guy needs to find another line of work. We cannot have people with such issues doing the job of law enforcement.

I am one who was raised to respect authority, but I was also raised to have expectations on the integrity of those in authority, and to stand up when that authority was being abused. Even though this woman was wrong in what she did, the response was inappropriate and an abuse of the authority given to law enforcement. Law enforcement works only when it has the support of the people, and we need to make sure that when power is abused, it is met with an appropriate response and not justified by a blind allegiance to authority. His firing is quite justified in this case.
Well, maybe he shouldn't have gone for a head shot, but i don't consider a kick to the head "deadly". I've seen enough head shots in MMA in sparrig in general. But, still, she shouldn't have started it. we don't see what led up to all that. I'm willing to bet she was worse before being handcuffed.

[#1Townie]

Well frank im sure you will find more justice to your liking in Moscow.

[Ghost]

Well frank im sure you will find more justice to your liking in Moscow.

Let's deport him and find out.

[bulldog]

Well, maybe he shouldn't have gone for a head shot, but i don't consider a kick to the head "deadly". I've seen enough head shots in MMA in sparrig in general. But, still, she shouldn't have started it. we don't see what led up to all that. I'm willing to bet she was worse before being handcuffed. Negative!!! You will never see a kick like that in MMA. For one, kicking a downed opponent in the head is illegal, second kicking a opponent in the back of the head ANYTIME is illegal....why??? It can cause death/blindness because the back of the head does not have the bone protection as the rest of the head.

I won't even get into how he had shoes, how MMA fighters train to take hits a normal person couldn't, the fact that she was way under his weight class, how it appears her head hit the concret, or how she didn't even have her hands to deflect/dampen the blow at all.
:slap:

[#1Townie]

Or the fact that he is a repeat violent offender. Frank wants to be able to blindly follow the system. Maybe north korea has a opening for a engineer.

[Ghosty]

Well frank im sure you will find more justice to your liking in Moscow.
Or Pakistan, where justice means tossing a poor illiterate possibly Downs Syndrome ELEVEN YR.OLD girl in jail for accidentally using Quran pages as fire kindling. Poor girl... :(

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/20/world/asia/pakistan-girl-blasphemy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/20/world/asia/pakistan-girl-blasphemy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)


For one, kicking a downed opponent in the head is illegal, second kicking a opponent in the back of the head ANYTIME is illegal....why??? It can cause death/blindness because the back of the head does not have the bone protection as the rest of the head.
I thought in MMA, if your opponent is a downed handcuffed woman, anything goes?!...

[#1Townie]

Should have shot her. That kind of threat needs to be dealt with quickly.

[grim]

The answer and inner workings of Frank is pretty simple, he hates women so justifiable or not he thouroughly enjoys seeing a woman get kicked in he head, also he loves Elk not women.

[#1Townie]

Kind of like that hidden crush you have for that reporter? Whats her name again?

[grim]

Kind of like that hidden crush you have for that reporter? Whats her name again?


You shut your whore mouth!

[#1Townie]

NEVARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

[salsashark]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/300sw07sw358.gif

[bulldog]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/300sw07sw358.gif
Too bad that didn't happen to the cops leg when he kicked the girl in the head. :lol:

[#1Townie]

Leg conditioning is a MUST!

[grim]

Leg conditioning is a MUST!

So is your mom.


























:lol:

[#1Townie]

Ummmm. Lets get off moms cuz i just got off yours?

[grim]

Ummmm. Lets get off moms cuz i just got off yours?


:slappers:

[#1Townie]

Its only gay if you make eye contact.

[bulldog]

Ok, this thread is dying. Time to change it up :D

Please someone tell me why it appears that cops do not have to go through a yearly physical. Of all the jobs shouldn't this be the one job where it is necessary to be in decent shape

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/185424_275328692567281_1928215449_n.jpg

[#1Townie]

Thats a small town cop for sure. Here tubby tubby tubby.

[Aaron]

Love these threads...

Please try to remember you're only getting one side of the story.

Now let me ask you all this, when is the last time you've had to call 911 because someone you invited into your house attacked you for no reason? Do you think there might be a bit more to the story than that?

[grim]

In the military we had to do a fitness run every month you had to be able to run a mile and a half in a certain time, do 20 pushups, and 50 situps in 2 minutes each.

[#1Townie]

Love these threads...

Please try to remember you're only getting one side of the story.

Now let me ask you all this, when is the last time you've had to call 911 because someone you invited into your house attacked you for no reason? Do you think there might be a bit more to the story than that?

A better question would be when was the last time i NEEDED a cop.

[rforsythe]

Now let me ask you all this, when is the last time you've had to call 911 because someone you invited into your house attacked you for no reason? Do you think there might be a bit more to the story than that?

If that happened, I wouldn't be calling 911 for protection...

[Nick_Ninja]

Love these threads...

Please try to remember you're only getting one side of the story.

Now let me ask you all this, when is the last time you've had to call 911 because someone you invited into your house attacked you for no reason? Do you think there might be a bit more to the story than that?

Yeah -- and the other side of the story is skeptical at best. If I invited someone to my house that developed into a problem than FUCK ME. I had better have a lobotomy to prevent that from happening again. And no -- I don't need cops.

http://crimethinc.com/tools/downloads/preview_big/police_big.gif

[PsychoMike]

Somone stole my checkbook. Cops arrested the person and I was able to cancel my checks and save a bunch of hassle. Thanks police!

[#1Townie]

My car was broken into.. my speakers stolen. I got my shit back myself.

[rforsythe]

My car was broken into.. my speakers stolen. I got my shit back myself.

"No sir, the speakers were already missing in that car I repo'd..."

;) j/k

[#1Townie]

Hahahaha!

[bulldog]

Love these threads...

Please try to remember you're only getting one side of the story.

Now let me ask you all this, when is the last time you've had to call 911 because someone you invited into your house attacked you for no reason? Do you think there might be a bit more to the story than that? So seriously what kind of fitness guidelines do you cops have to go through? Being that I am all about fitness and work out 6 days a week I have always been curious on how it works because I have seen a few cops around in really bad physical shape and it always makes me wonder.

[Aaron]

So seriously what kind of fitness guidelines do you cops have to go through? Being that I am all about fitness and work out 6 days a week I have always been curious on how it works because I have seen a few cops around in really bad physical shape and it always makes me wonder.

When we get hired we have to perform a physical agility test, and undergo a medical exam. The PAT for most agencies is pass/fail, there's no ranking. For my agency it was about an 1/8mi track, and had a series of about 10 obstacles throughout the track. The first lap you run and do all of the obstacles, the next two laps are just running. You had to beat 5 min to pass, and I think my score was just under 2:30, and I was the fastest that day. It isn't incredibly difficult. The obstacles are like a 4" balance beam, a 6ft fence (With a 2x4 3ft up to help), a tube to crawl through, tires, a pipe structure to go under, etc.

Once the agency has decided to hire you, they do a medical exam. Imagine a doctor's sports physical, just much more in depth. It includes range of motion on your arms/neck/legs, breathing tests, eyesight/hearing, etc. It isn't hard, just meant to make sure you are "normal."

After that, there's nothing. Though the academy you have to run and stuff, but it's never timed, they just make you do it to do it. After that there are no physical requirements, which really bothers me. I am in really good shape, I eat healthy, work out 7 days a week, and am one of the fastest guys on the department. But there's no incentive or requirement whatsoever.

Now that being said, remember the cops you see are always working day shift. In order to bid day shift, you need seniority. So the older guys that have 20+ years on are always on day shift, and they are normally the heavy ones. Our graveyard crew on the other hand is a very young, in-shape, active squad. We all want to be there, and we still love what we do. We all work out regularly, and we carry ourselves much differently. We also tend to be a lot more aggressive (For good and bad). It's a different world when the sun goes down, everything about the job changes. There's a lot less paper, radio traffic is a lot more condensed, the pace quickens, calls are all higher priority, and we get into a lot more altercations. This part of the job attracts the young guys looking for the adrenaline rushes.

[grim]

So in short, once you become a cop you can eat all you want and become a fat fuck that couldn't chase down a perp for shit, so they rely on things like tazers and mace.

I am not picking on cops as i feel they provide a very important service, i just think its bullshit that a job that requires you to possibly run does not enforce those to be in shape, besides its good for you and you will live longer.

In the military if your fat ass cannot run the mile and a half in the time allotted, after 3 attempts your fat ass gets kicked out with a dishonorable discharge. This is all of my knowledge based on the Navy, i do not know if it is the same for other branches but i assume it would be.

[bulldog]

When we get hired we have to perform a physical agility test, and undergo a medical exam. The PAT for most agencies is pass/fail, there's no ranking. For my agency it was about an 1/8mi track, and had a series of about 10 obstacles throughout the track. The first lap you run and do all of the obstacles, the next two laps are just running. You had to beat 5 min to pass, and I think my score was just under 2:30, and I was the fastest that day. It isn't incredibly difficult. The obstacles are like a 4" balance beam, a 6ft fence (With a 2x4 3ft up to help), a tube to crawl through, tires, a pipe structure to go under, etc.

Once the agency has decided to hire you, they do a medical exam. Imagine a doctor's sports physical, just much more in depth. It includes range of motion on your arms/neck/legs, breathing tests, eyesight/hearing, etc. It isn't hard, just meant to make sure you are "normal."

After that, there's nothing. Though the academy you have to run and stuff, but it's never timed, they just make you do it to do it. After that there are no physical requirements, which really bothers me. I am in really good shape, I eat healthy, work out 7 days a week, and am one of the fastest guys on the department. But there's no incentive or requirement whatsoever.

Now that being said, remember the cops you see are always working day shift. In order to bid day shift, you need seniority. So the older guys that have 20+ years on are always on day shift, and they are normally the heavy ones. Our graveyard crew on the other hand is a very young, in-shape, active squad. We all want to be there, and we still love what we do. We all work out regularly, and we carry ourselves much differently. We also tend to be a lot more aggressive (For good and bad). It's a different world when the sun goes down, everything about the job changes. There's a lot less paper, radio traffic is a lot more condensed, the pace quickens, calls are all higher priority, and we get into a lot more altercations. This part of the job attracts the young guys looking for the adrenaline rushes. Thanks Aaron; that helps to make me understand :up:

Kind of weird that they don't do anything after you are hired to check on your fitness; I'd think this would be important for the job. If I were in this profession I would always want to be in top shape because you never know what you have to deal with and every advantage could make the difference; glad to hear you do and most the newer guys that work nights. Makes sense with the seniority thing on why we see the older guys are out of shape (although I argue with people all the time that old age isn’t a excuse for not being in good shape). Still seems odd to me that they would want to be that way in such a profession, but like you said they probably don’t deal with the crazier stuff that happens at night.

[bulldog]

So in short, once you become a cop you can eat all you want and become a fat fuck that couldn't chase down a perp for shit, so they rely on things like tazers and mace.


I am not picking on cops as i feel they provide a very important service, i just think its bullshit that a job that requires you to possibly run does not enforce those to be in shape, besides its good for you and you will live longer.

In the military if your fat ass cannot run the mile and a half in the time allotted, after 3 attempts your fat ass gets kicked out with a dishonorable discharge. This is all of my knowledge based on the Navy, i do not know if it is the same for other branches but i assume it would be.
I think that does bring up a good point and makes you wonder if less cops would use guns/weapons if they were physically able to subdue a suspect without one. I am a huge believer on teaching cops martial arts defenses, takedowns, holds, locks, etc so they do have these at their arsenal. Martial art techniques (like jui-jitsu) have been proven very effective even if you are smaller than the other person. To me would makes sense to have cops go through a yearly class to learn this stuff; and hopefully help keep them in shape too.

[#1Townie]

Fuck that i love tazer clips on youtube. Dont taze me bro!! Still laugh at that one. Fucking hippies.

[dapper]

Sheriffs Deputy: Sailor I shot in her backyard ‘startled me’ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/22/sheriffs-deputy-sailor-i-shot-in-her-backyard-startled-me/)



The female took one in the nipple!

[Airreed]

Also, cops are city employees so they are treated just like other city folks. The physical agility test/obstacle course weeds out all the broke dicks, 80 year olds etc...once you are hired you can get fat and lazy. Basically, you cannot discriminate against them.

Grim, you brought up the military PT test (we also have HT/WT requirements) and we kick more Soldiers out of the Army for failing on the above mentioned requirements more than any other type of discharge. Also, the military does not fall under all anti discremanary rules(ie females in combat arms, gays ((up until last year)), fat boys etc...).

[Ghost]

Cops can't tell bystanders from perps:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/empire-state-building-shooting-nypd-bullets-shot-all-nine_n_1830007.html



New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said all nine bystanders wounded in Friday's Empire State Building shooting had been hit with police gunfire (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/), CNN reported Saturday morning.

According to Kelly, of the nine wounded, three suffered gunshot wounds and six were hit by fragments.

Gunfire broke out shortly after 9 a.m. on Friday when a gunman identified as 58-year old Jeffrey Johnson shot and killed former coworker (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/jeffrey-johnson-empire-state-building-shooter_n_1828692.html?1345839584&utm_hp_ref=new-york) Steve Ercolino near the Empire State Building.

Johnson attempted to flee the scene, but was thwarted after a construction worker who followed him tipped off police officers.

Police approached Johnson who aimed his gun at the officers (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/mayor-bloomberg-empire-state-building-shooting_n_1827825.html) before police opened fire, killing him on the spot.

The NYPD said officers fired 16 rounds (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/new-york-empire-state/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) with one officer shooting nine and another seven.

During a press conference held on Friday, Mayor Bloomberg had said some individuals may have been shot at by NYPD.

[#1Townie]

So cops cant tell the differences between a man and a woman?

[kalibra]

Cops can't tell bystanders from perps:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/empire-state-building-shooting-nypd-bullets-shot-all-nine_n_1830007.html

So the guy had cats and was vacuuming a lot.Quick,we need to ban cats and vacuums.Clearly,that is the problem.

[Aaron]

Cops can't tell bystanders from perps:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/empire-state-building-shooting-nypd-bullets-shot-all-nine_n_1830007.html

It's easy to say you shoot 1 MOA at 100 yards with a Glock 45 ACP on the internet. A bit more difficult in the real life, when you're staring down the barrel of a gun belonging to the guy trying to kill you with it.

It's a busy area, a lot of bystanders close by. I can't say for sure I would have taken the shot just because of the risk, but without being there no one knows, and no one can talk shit. On the bright side, all 9 people will survive, only 3 were direct hits (6 were shrapnel), and the offender was stopped before he could kill anyone.

[#1Townie]

Fuck that on cod i can hit you a good half mile with my pistol. Lol

[Zanatos]

Guess what. Another cop did it, yet again.

He slams her face into a car for no reason - then he accuses her of starting it, and even points out that they are on camera. What a dooooosh.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-cop-fired-allegedly-slamming-womans-face-car/story?id=17050802#.UDv376Aufcw

[Captain Obvious]

RE the physical standards. It varies greatly from dept and region.

Some have no standards (as seen too often)
Some have annual requirements and testing that is consistent with the military, both required and fire-able for falling below standards.
Some have optional testing and actually pay the officers incentive money when they are able to pass an remain in good physical shape but offer no punishment for falling below standards.

Aaron is dead on with the age, seniority day shift and night shift variations. Very few depts limit the number of cycles officers are able to stay on a particular shift (day vs. evening vs night).

I think scenario 2 and 3 are more rare, but it does make you wonder why someone who should to be physically capable to conduct their job would allow themselves to get into such bad physical shape.

[Ghosty]

Guess what. Another cop did it, yet again.

He slams her face into a car for no reason - then he accuses her of starting it, and even points out that they are on camera. What a dooooosh.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-cop-fired-allegedly-slamming-womans-face-car/story?id=17050802#.UDv376Aufcw
But according to some people here, the girl was probably getting mouthy and deserved it. The Cop was defending himself, lol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/SpectralCat/Emoticons/facepalm.gif

[grim]

Guess what. Another cop did it, yet again.

He slams her face into a car for no reason - then he accuses her of starting it, and even points out that they are on camera. What a dooooosh.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-cop-fired-allegedly-slamming-womans-face-car/story?id=17050802#.UDv376Aufcw

:lol: Couldn't not laugh at that sorry, what did that Camero ever do to be hit like that?

[stubbicatt]

Fuck that i love tazer clips on youtube. Dont taze me bro!! Still laugh at that one. Fucking hippies.

What's with the hate for hippies?

[Aaron]

Guess what. Another cop did it, yet again.

He slams her face into a car for no reason - then he accuses her of starting it, and even points out that they are on camera. What a dooooosh.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-cop-fired-allegedly-slamming-womans-face-car/story?id=17050802#.UDv376Aufcw

You can't say it was for no reason, that can't be determined from the short, selective slip we saw. Imagine for example the following circumstances:

She's intoxicated, cussing him out, and has felony warrants for her arrest. As he pulls her out of car she yells "I'm not going back to jail!" and begins reaching into her pocket. All of the sudden his force use was not only appropriate, but could have legally been much more. And believe it or not, these circumstances are fairly common.

Does it look bad? Absolutely, they all do. Are there reasons that would make it justifiable? Absolutely.

Now I'm not saying that was the case, but from that clip you saw, you can't judge so please don't. Knowing the Officer was fired makes me think that none of these (Or equal) circumstances existed as my agency would have backed me up, I assume his would have too. If this is the case, get him out of here, he makes us all look bad.

[Ghost]

What's with the hate for hippies?

They represent a forgotten time of Idealism, naivety and hope, all of which are passe now.

Plus, they smell.

[Ghosty]

What's with the hate for hippies?
Just ask Cletus:

http://indebtfatshortbadteeth.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/cletus.jpg

[Zanatos]

Aaron, if you read the article I linked, you would see that it starts with a quote from the CHIEF OF POLICE saying that the cop was wrong.

Later in the article, it points out that the woman is saying, "I'm not resisting. Why are you hitting me?"

The officer was fired because fellow cops were conducting a routine review of dash camera footage, and they saw a bad cop breaking the rules.

BTW, I was a military police officer for 10 years. I'm not rushing to judgment on anyone.

Check out this web site for more bad cop footage: http://toxiccops.com/

[Keyser Soze]

Didn't read whole thread. Came across this today though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZmE0aFUX4&feature=player_embedded#!

Skip to 1:10

[grim]

Didn't read whole thread. Came across this today though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZmE0aFUX4&feature=player_embedded#!

Skip to 1:10

What the hell did he kick him for??

[Ghosty]

Didn't read whole thread. Came across this today though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZmE0aFUX4&feature=player_embedded#!

Skip to 1:10
Oh, I'm sure the dude was asking for it, after all, he is black and probably packing Skittles. The cop seemed to be enjoying himself too. You can imagine what this cop (the 5% or whatever "bad apple" pigs) does when there is NO video.

The thought scares me, and it's what makes people so nervous around cops, and scared when there is a cop following them for no reason or staring them down as you walk by minding your own business. They're afraid it might be one THESE cops. With no video, cops can do WHATEVER THEY PLEASE, and they know it. Power-trippin', nice.

On the flip side, if this is accurate, he had it comin' to him, BUT still not legal nor professional: ;)



Mr Eric Hightower had a warrant out for his arrest for threating to kill women the night before.Two months earlier he was arrested for 3rd degree subsatinial bodily harm against a women and 5th degree assault drug possesion and obstruction.The tough guy likes to pick on women so he deserves everything he had coming.

[#1Townie]

What's with the hate for hippies?

Oh lets see. How about the fact that they have helped completely ruin this country. They started the pc bullshit that is now destroying the fabric of this country.

They sit around smoking weed and bitch.

Fact is hippies have only led to bad things. Mass drug abuse. Dont even get me started in the whole going green thing. I loved having to drive a diesel around Boulder. "Youre ruining our air". Care to tell me how to tow a truck with a prius?

Yup fuck hippies and all their stanky drumming.

[Ghosty]

Oh lets see. How about the fact that they have helped completely ruin this country.Wrong. And definitely not nearly as bad as Bush/Cheney/Rice/etc. SADDAM WMD SLAM DUNK INTELLIGENCE, and where that led us. Fuckin' CLOWNS.


They started the pc bullshit that is now destroying the fabric of this countryNot hippies specifically, but I agree somewhat about the country being overly PC nowadays, because of the hypersensitivity of a few groups.

Ever watch Blazing Saddles? One of our favorite movies! The shit Mel Brooks got away with back then is awesome. Today someone would cry, because they still have a giant chip on their shoulder, ugh. Lighten up people!


They sit around smoking weed and bitch.Gross overgeneralization. As opposed to the no-nothing 'necks who sit around getting loaded on PBR & Jack? Which one's worse? Meh, each to their own. I know LOTS of "hippy" liberals over the years who don't smoke anything and don't do drugs. They're some of the healthiest people around.


Fact is hippies have only led to bad things. Mass drug abuse. Dont even get me started in the whole going green thing. I loved having to drive a diesel around Boulder. "Youre ruining our air". Care to tell me how to tow a truck with a prius?Wrong. Not one of them are bitching about semi's & tow trucks who serve a purpose. They're not idiots, they know you can't tow with a Prius, lol. Just because they want to protect some of our most precious and beautiful regions (the Arctic for one) from over-drilling, over-logging, dangerous spills, without adequate oversight and regulation. Everyone seems to forget about the Valdez and BP already, that's sad. What do you want to leave to your kids? Cheap gas or Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, which if developed would not do SHIT to lower your price at the pump. Mass drug abuse?! Kinda like Rush Limbaugh and Cindy McCain's addictions to Oxy, right?

[I`m Batman]

Didn't read whole thread. Came across this today though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZmE0aFUX4&feature=player_embedded#!

Skip to 1:10


He was coughing... maybe he was choking and the cop was trying to give him a Heimlich maneuver while he's on the ground to get whatever that was stuck in this throat out? :?
He's gonna get paid!

[#1Townie]

Well you go tell dreads up there to get his facts straight.

Ghoty i like you and im sorry if any of that offends you but fact is the 60'sguy peace movement has had long lasting effects on this country. Very few of those are good.
Did they have the best intentions? Im sure they did. As the old saying goes some of the worst things in world have been done with the best intentions. Or something like that.


As far as the bush comment.... get real. If clinton had just manned up and pulled the trigger on osama who knows where would be today.

I hate the idea of blaming life on one president. Thats a crock of shit. Fuck clinton. He got lucky being lazy and it didnt all fall apart in his lap. I love these obama commercials with clinton. Thats how i did it.

Fuuuuck. Im trolling myself. Lol

[Keyser Soze]

How about a couple cops body slamming a chick in a dress...twice...then fist bumping after...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2JaeMRpnuk&feature=player_embedded#!

Worlds largest street gang...

[I`m Batman]

How about a couple cops body slamming a chick in a dress...twice...then fist bumping after...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2JaeMRpnuk&feature=player_embedded#!

Worlds largest street gang...

Looked like she was resisting to me. You just don't get out of the car on your own unless you have an attitude.

[Aaron]

Didn't read whole thread. Came across this today though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZmE0aFUX4&feature=player_embedded#!

Skip to 1:10

The entire contact and use of force looked justified to me, except the kick of course. That was clearly over the line. But remember the cop has just been fighting with this guy, had to spray and tase him just to stop the threat. The cop is physically smaller, and outnumbered. The cop is going to have some adrenaline and emotional responses to this guy, and is justifiably angry. Was acting on this right? Not at all, but it's understandable and we all can relate to it.


How about a couple cops body slamming a chick in a dress...twice...then fist bumping after...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2JaeMRpnuk&feature=player_embedded#!

Worlds largest street gang...

That one looked completely justified. Prior to every aggressive Police action she makes a threatening/violent/non-compliant movement.

[deadline]

That one looked completely justified. Prior to every aggressive Police action she makes a threatening/violent/non-compliant movement.

She was in handcuffs! what threatening/violent movement a 35 years old handcuffed woman can do against two armed men? are you smoking crack?

[Aaron]

She was in handcuffs! what threatening/violent movement a 35 years old handcuffed woman can do against two armed men? are you smoking crack?

The fact that the Officers are armed means nothing, as they can't shoot her. Thus the guns are nothing more than excess weight, a potential danger to the Officers, and a tool for intimidation that clearly isn't working. "Armed" is a meaningful descriptor when talking about a male involved in a domestic assault, not when talking about a non-lethal Officer contact.

You've clearly never tried to control and escort somebody in handcuffs, it's a little harder than you might think. Just because someone is in handcuffs does not mean they relax, in fact most of the time they become far more outraged. While they are less of a danger, they are still very difficult to control and escort. So the Officers place her against the car, and one disengages, meaning it's now only one Officer against the female. We can see the female twist violently, which does a few things.

First, it interferes with the search. Why is she trying so hard to prevent the Officer from searching her? Weapons?

Second, it causes the Officer to lose the position of control he had, so now she is free to start kicking, running, reaching in her pockets, a lot of things.

Third, she is now facing the Officer, and she is likely going to start spitting.

So clearly her twisting and facing the Officer puts the Officer in a dangerous position, thus he needs to prevent this. The position we use to search a person is not very good at controlling against twisting motions, which as we described above are dangerous. However the ground is very good at preventing twisting as it immediately restricts 50% of the directions the person can move in. With just slight pressure on someone's back they can be controlled extremely safely and effectively. But we must get her to the ground, which she of course is going to resist us doing, meaning it takes force. Once on the ground the Officer can complete his search, control her until she relaxes, wait for the other Officer to re-engage, or wait for cover. It's a very good spot for the Officer to be in.

[Zanatos]

Before searching anyone, you should always put them off balance and maintain control of them by grasping the handcuffs at the chain. Also, during a search, you should keep your eyes on the back of the suspect's head, constantly looking for any sign of resistance. (If a suspect is violent or resists, you have to put them on their knees or prone on the ground.) During a search, you do not need to look at the spot you are searching. You only need to use a "ruffle/crunch" technique and feel for foreign objects/weapons.

Cops who lose control of handcuffed subjects should be retrained on control and search techniques. Also, if a police officer allows a handcuffed suspect to injure himself or herself or to fall - then the officer can be held civilly and criminally liable for any injuries that occur.

Bottom Line: No matter how stupid, drunk, crazy, or violent a suspect is - when a police officer effects an arrest, he or she assumes personal responsibility for the safety and well-being of the detainee.

[deadline]

oh no... next time I get pulled over for a traffic violation I will remain perfectly still in the fear of being handcuffed and then slammed into the ground, arrested and charged with resisting arrest!!! yes... thank you officer for not killing me!!!

[Grant H.]

oh no... next time I get pulled over for a traffic violation I will remain perfectly still in the fear of being handcuffed and then slammed into the ground, arrested and charged with resisting arrest!!! yes... thank you officer for not killing me!!!

Sorry dude, you are on the wrong side of this argument.

If she hadn't opted to hop out of her car and begin confronting the police, this wouldn't have happened.

She could have chosen to sit in her car, let the officers approach, write her a ticket, and move on. Had she done this, she would not have been taken to the ground as a defensive move, nor would she have been arrested.

Instead she did get out of her car. Based upon her body language, she was most likely yelling, swearing, calling names etc. This combined with the very physical hand gestures, is legitimate reason for the officers to subdue her. In that process she gets put on the ground. She then gets handcuffed, as she should, and is then not cooperating, which results in her getting put on the ground again.

All in all, those officers may have been a touch to rough, but they were justified in their overall actions.

Am I the biggest fan of cops? Nope.
Is it likely that this is only being made a fuss over because she wants money from the state and the PD? Absolutely.
Are their bad cops out there that give a bad name to almost all cops? Absolutely.
Does that mean that all cops are bad? Not in the slightest.

Moral of this story:

If you can't handle the potential consequences of the crime, don't commit it. And if you choose to commit the crime, and then break every WELL KNOWN protocol for being stopped by police, expect a worse experience than necessary.

Her fault.

[Ghosty]

All in all, those officers may have been a touch to rough, but they were justified in their overall actions.

Am I the biggest fan of cops? Nope.
Is it likely that this is only being made a fuss over because she wants money from the state and the PD? Absolutely.
Are their bad cops out there that give a bad name to almost all cops? Absolutely.
Does that mean that all cops are bad? Not in the slightest.

Moral of this story:

If you can't handle the potential consequences of the crime, don't commit it. And if you choose to commit the crime, and then break every WELL KNOWN protocol for being stopped by police, expect a worse experience than necessary.

Her fault.
Interesting, now that it's put that way, I actually agree with most of what you listed. Except I still think they went too rough rather than "take the high road" and secure her in a less violent manner. She had no weapons, and in training I'm sure you're taught that you WILL HAVE TO DEAL with some overly physical and aggressive individuals. Don't lose your cool.

He pulled her off their trunk and THREW HER into the pavement. Sorry but that's bullshit. They could've just shoved her (with force) into the backseat. Hogtie her with zipties if needed.

[I`m Batman]

That is a big woman. She wasn't a 110lbs woman... I think the force used was justified. I thought women wanted to be treated equally as men? :D If this was some guy I bet it would not have made the news.

[Aaron]

Interesting, now that it's put that way, I actually agree with most of what you listed. Except I still think they went too rough rather than "take the high road" and secure her in a less violent manner. She had no weapons, and in training I'm sure you're taught that you WILL HAVE TO DEAL with some overly physical and aggressive individuals. Don't lose your cool.

He pulled her off their trunk and THREW HER into the pavement. Sorry but that's bullshit. They could've just shoved her (with force) into the backseat. Hogtie her with zipties if needed.

There was no way to know if she had weapons or not, she twisted violently during the search for weapons. This would scare me into thinking she did actually have weapons. We are taught, and prepared to deal with, physically aggressive individuals. We are trained to control them exactly as you see on the video. Anything less and it just puts us in a very dangerous position. Those Officers absolutely did not lose their cool.

They couldn't throw her I the backseat for a few reasons. First, she hasn't been searched. Big no-no there. Second, we can't hogtie people. Some of us carry leg restraints (dog leashes), but if she wanted to take out a window she still could easily.

Police use of force isn't pretty, never is. It looks abusive, violent, and overly aggressive. But remember we do it for a reason, the same reason why I have to wear a bullet resistant vest just to earn a paycheck.

[Ghosty]

Ok, this ghetto trashy bitch probably deserved it, BUT the cop overstepped legally, right?:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/bestoftv/2012/09/07/evexp-cop-tases-woman-in-handcuffes.hln

I don't think you're legally allowed to taze someone for spitting on ya? He better get checked for Hep, ewww, lol!

[#1Townie]

Spitting is the same as punching. The cops dont knowif she has anything. To them its the same as trying trying to stab them. Fuck her.

[CaptGoodvibes]

They represent a forgotten time of Idealism, naivety and hope, all of which are passe now.

Plus, they smell.
I've known a lot of hippie chicks in my life and they all smelled delicious! :viking:

[Keyser Soze]

This bish...deserved it :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf5Nu9e4p80&feature=player_embedded

[rforsythe]

Spitting is the same as punching. The cops dont knowif she has anything. To them its the same as trying trying to stab them. Fuck her.

Yep. In fact depending on who it was, I would almost argue spitting is more of a threat to the officer's life than punching. Some really nasty shit can be transmitted with saliva, and your mucosa (eyes, nose, mouth) are very efficient transfer points for disease. Spitting into an open wound (likely to occur with a violent suspect) is equivalent to injection. There's a reason we carry face shields and other PPE on ambulances, cops can't use that as well though.

There are a number of cases of assholes trying to spit HIV, Hep, and anything else they know they're carrying at fellow prisoners, police, prison guards, EMS, random people walking by, etc. It's a big problem that can have life-altering consequences for whoever has to deal with said asshole.

[#1Townie]

This bish...deserved it :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf5Nu9e4p80&feature=player_embedded

Dude people are nuts!

[Ghosty]

This bish...deserved it :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf5Nu9e4p80&feature=player_embedded
Hahahaa, more ghetto trash! Yeah she deserved it for sure. Nice 80's Dodge Caravan, fitting, lol.

[#1Townie]

You think thornton is trash? Man you need to get out more. Lol

[Ghosty]

It's better the last 10 years with the boom in newer neighborhoods. Older parts of Thornton are still kinda low-rent yes, by Colorado standards.

[#1Townie]

Yeah i wasnt in co ten years ago so you got me on that one. I still like federal around 6th. Or down by the homeless shelter in dtd. Thats a fun area to look for cars at night.

There is a place here called silver springs. Wow man just wow. If you ever watch the original video for akons song ghetto they say the trailer park part was filmed in nm but im not sure. Lol.

[Keyser Soze]

City of brotherly love...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn0mrdmXZI

[grim]

Here is how some other countries handle police brutality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdxh-KaSBSg&feature=related

[#1Townie]

Here is how some other countries handle police brutality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdxh-KaSBSg&feature=related

Wtf with everyone just falling down?? Lol

[#1Townie]

City of brotherly love...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn0mrdmXZI


For sime reason youtube thinks im not 18 wont let me watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iykkFzEZtRg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[grim]

Wtf with everyone just falling down?? Lol

It was at a soccer game.

[#1Townie]

Yeah i know the players fall down. Is there something i dont know about soccer fields? Does it have hidden holes to make the ball and players do funny things? I mean no way that popo wanted to fall down with a mob about to kill him.

That shit was funny as hell. People just falling over left and right.

[Ghosty]

City of brotherly love...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn0mrdmXZI
Another power trip pig.

Grim, that video is awesome. You can hear the crowd gettin' loud when they see the power trip pig go to work with his baton.

[#1Townie]

Hey looks like the springs will be paying for their know it all cops. So happy cspd got owned on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5TzoDTH_zM&feature=youtube_gdata_player


And yeah the dude is a dick. I like the cop at the end. Youre about to get the shit kicked out of you. Lol

http://m.gazette.com/articles/police-143146-mayor-colorado.html

[modette99]

A better question would be when was the last time i NEEDED a cop.

You need a cop for that speeding ticket you got...oh the horror...

[Ghosty]

That guy's only 24? He looks about 44, lol! And a pro-gun gay guy open-carrying? Aint that a new one, don't see gay people open carrying everyday, no wonder the cops thought something was amiss!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/SpectralCat/Emoticons/toothygrin-1.gif

Another gun nut pushing the limits of the law, OVER COMMON SENSE. Open carrying in a crowded public park / festival, yeah that's SMAARRRRTTT. Notice I never said it was illegal, but have fun with all that when you push the envelope around families & children in public.

[#1Townie]

Ghosty. I would gladly push that envelope. He is going to get paid!! I love how the cop tells him the good old line aabout not knowing the law. Hope his lawyer uses that in court.

[Ghosty]

I love how the cop tells him the good old line about not knowing the law. Hope his lawyer uses that in court.
Yeah, the cops were ignorant in this case I agree, because the law had been changed and obviously not communicated properly down the line, as it should've been. They should've just held him (open carry in public IS probable cause, imo), run his drivers license, check his gun record/license/CCW, called a supervisor who actually might KNOW the exact legal reference. THEN let him go on his way with a warning that open-carrying may be your right, but might look suspicious if you aren't an actual uniformed LEO of some sort.

[#1Townie]

Actually its not. You can deny to show ID. Open carry is not a reason for anything. Fact is if they ooen carry they are not up to anything. Maybe seeking attention. Thats about it. If people are going to be committing crimes you really think the gun is going to be openly carried? Drawing attention?

[Ghosty]

I thought if the LEO has probable cause you cannot refuse to show ID? Or if you refuse then they can arrest you. Are you saying that open-carrying is not probable cause if the person is doing nothing else? That would be an interesting debate, and I don't know the legal specifics. One of the CSC LEO's should chime in.

[#1Townie]

No open carry is not probable cause. And as you can clearly see from the videos leos are not always the most well informed. Lol.

Now if he is suspect to a crime. Thats different. Now basically the way an attorney will have you do it is it kindly deny giving over your ID. state that it is your right not to and you are exercising it. If the officer pushes the issue give the ID but state you are doing so under duress. So and so on. After this hire an attorney and enjoy the settlement in a state level and the victory under federal level.

[#1Townie]

Well not including denver.

[Aaron]

It makes it hard to chime in when all people can do is talk shit about the cops. Ya, the Sargeant was wrong. We all are. Even Townie is wrong sometimes. The C.R.S. book is huge, and written in a language that isn't any form of English. It's also constantly changing, it's impossible to accurately keep up with every law in there. And if the C.R.S. book wasn't enough, we also have an equally large list of Municipal Ordinances to keep up with.

That being said, I need Reasonable Suspicion to detain a person and force them to ID themselves. This is a level much lower than Probable Cause (Which is what I need to arrest or cite you). If you fail to ID yourself, I can arrest you for that.

That being said, the open carrying of a firearm does not establish Reasonable Suspicion on its own, and I could not and would not force somebody to ID themselves. I would ask them to, and if they refused, the contact would end with a talk about how it's legal, but a bad idea. Conceal it.

[#1Townie]

You still need reasons. A person walking down a sidewalk is not a reason. Doesnt matter if they have a gun or not. Now according to federal courts if you are carrying concealed even with a permit that IS probable cause.

[#1Townie]

But you are correct aaron. I am often wrong. As we all are. You and i both know the cops could have handled this better. This is a perfect example of not keeping up with laws. And doesnt matter how often laws change or how many there are. Whats the saying? Ignorance is not a defense?

But aaron i like you bro. Hate your job. But like you. Lol

[deadline]

Cops doing it again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuqHnnlflNg&feature=g-all-u

[#1Townie]

Stop resisting! Lol.

[Aaron]

Cops doing it again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuqHnnlflNg&feature=g-all-u

Cops doing what again? You can't tell from the video what's really happening, just that the cops are using force against him. He's obviously breaking an open container law, and you have 2 Officers saying he resisted their lawful commands, and yelling stop resisting while they try and control him. This against the word of his. I'm sure he was at least slightly intoxicated at the time too. And we all know how compliant intoxicated people are.

[#1Townie]

Bro he was wasted. .04.

So umm just a quicl questiin. I understand two cops fighting. Buuuuut why are they still fighting when there ia like 20 cops? Isnt that enough man power to subdue one drunk asshole?