The creeper rider

[bornwildnfree]

I bring this up here because, as a woman rider, I have had to deal with creeper riders, usually older cruiser riders. It seems to be something that is just accepted as "Well, that's just how they are." It's not. Just because I'm a woman and I ride a motorcyle does not mean I want to be pawed, have my assets discussed in detail in front of me etc esp if I don't know you/just met you. Thankfully I have really awesome friends here who have always been willing to step in and tell someone to back off (go Spooph) because me saying it doesn't carry the weight of a man stepping in :roll:. So...discuss away and later I'll post up a pic of a cute puppy or something lol.


http://captainawkward.com/2012/08/07/322-323-my-friend-group-has-a-case-of-the-creepy-dude-how-do-we-clear-that-up/ (http://captainawkward.com/2012/08/07/322-323-my-friend-group-has-a-case-of-the-creepy-dude-how-do-we-clear-that-up/)

[Drama2]

I very much understand what you are saying....it happens to me at work every week, it seems the older generation think it is acceptable and it is NOT.

[Clovis]

What?? The classic "Hey, I've got something you can ride!" doesn't turn women on!?

[~Barn~]

Nudes not loading.

[#1Townie]

Alright whos being the fucking creeper? Come you assholes.... being a dick.. cough clownie cough... is one thing but leave the women's alone!!!



Or something.. Idk. Lol

[Native]

I bring this up here because, as a woman rider, I have had to deal with creeper riders, usually older cruiser riders. It seems to be something that is just accepted as "Well, that's just how they are." It's not. Just because I'm a woman and I ride a motorcyle does not mean I want to be pawed, have my assets discussed in detail in front of me etc esp if I don't know you/just met you. Thankfully I have really awesome friends here who have always been willing to step in and tell someone to back off (go Spooph) because me saying it doesn't carry the weight of a man stepping in :roll:. So...discuss away and later I'll post up a pic of a cute puppy or something lol.


just gathering from what you said, there was a problem and someone came to your aid, and you won! you're on top of the world, enjoy it

[j0ker]

Some people are just assholes. Lonely assholes.

[bornwildnfree]

just gathering from what you said, there was a problem and someone came to your aid, and you won! you're on top of the world, enjoy it
I have amazing friends and in club the guys are always awesome (or really afraid of me, I'm not sure which LOL), but I wanted to bring the subject up. I like posting subject that occassionally make you all think. I do feed you beer and good food. Just keep it in mind at bike nights etc and be willing to stand up if we need it.

[Matty]

Unfortunately... Whether you like it or not. You're still in a men dominated sport, hobby, whatever you wanna call it. And even in todays society you're still just a "chick" to a lot of guys out there! With that being said, it still doesn't give guys the right to disrespect ya!

[Clovis]

True that... being a women in the motorcycle world is like being a woman in the video gaming world, or any other male dominated activity/sport/hobby. I can't wait to raise my daughter River into this! =P

[Jmetz]

Is "chick" a bad word now too?

[Sully]

I don't think I have this problem :wtf: .. maybe I'm oblivious to it or too much of a bitch to care? :lol: :boobies:

[Aaron]

Is it me?

[The Black Knight]

Is it me?

It is, we just didn't want to tell you. I don't know how to break it to you but, you're creepy..

:D

[#1Townie]

It is, we just didn't want to tell you. I don't know how to break it to you but, you're creepy..

:D

I told ya that guy is trouble.

[bornwildnfree]

Unfortunately... Whether you like it or not. You're still in a men dominated sport, hobby, whatever you wanna call it. And even in todays society you're still just a "chick" to a lot of guys out there! With that being said, it still doesn't give guys the right to disrespect ya!
And that's why I posted the article. You guys have to change this. I, sadly, can not. You have to be willing to stand up to your fellow males and say dude, not ok. You have to be willing to stand up and say enough is enough. Until then, it will stay the same and Clovis' daughter will grow up in the same world that I'm in.

[bornwildnfree]

I don't think I have this problem :wtf: .. maybe I'm oblivious to it or too much of a bitch to care? :lol: :boobies:
Naa, the guys are all in awe of your awesome riding ability. That and you don't hang out with the Hell's Angels much.

[Native]

And that's why I posted the article. You guys have to change this. I, sadly, can not. You have to be willing to stand up to your fellow males and say dude, not ok. You have to be willing to stand up and say enough is enough. Until then, it will stay the same and Clovis' daughter will grow up in the same world that I'm in.

can we have the details of the incident? I guess I've never encountered such a rude thing before

[kawasakirob]

I have the same thing happen to me all the time. Women will just come up to me and start making sexual remarks about my body...all I want to do is ride. I cant take it, women looking at my butt when I climb off the bike, and all of those advances and rude passes, its terrible! I am not just another piece of meat!

[rforsythe]

I have the same thing happen to me all the time. Women will just come up to me and start making sexual remarks about my body...all I want to do is ride. I cant take it, women looking at my butt when I climb off the bike, and all of those advances and rude passes, its terrible! I am not just another piece of meat!

Right? Not a ride goes by I don't have some chick ... excuse me, girl, talking about my 'assets' and pawing me. But what can I do?

[Jmetz]

That and you don't hang out with the Hell's Angels much.

So you hangout with Hells Angels and get offended when they act like Hells Angels?

I think I found the problem.

[rforsythe]

:lol:

[The Black Knight]

I have the same thing happen to me all the time. Women will just come up to me and start making sexual remarks about my body...all I want to do is ride. I cant take it, women looking at my butt when I climb off the bike, and all of those advances and rude passes, its terrible! I am not just another piece of meat!


Right? Not a ride goes by I don't have some chick ... excuse me, girl, talking about my 'assets' and pawing me. But what can I do?
Wow!! so I'm not the only one this happens to as well. I just can't handle it when women have that look in their eyes like I'm a piece of meat ready to be devoured. I just want to ride and not be objectified in any manner. All their dirty remarks just hurt my feelings.

:D



So you hangout with Hells Angels and get offended when they act like Hells Angels?

I think I found the problem.

This was going to be my comment. If you're hanging out with Hell's Angels, you've got to be joking if you are offended by their behaviour. They are Hell's Angels for a reason. They enjoy the gang lifestyle and all that comes with it.

My advice is find a better caliber of people to hang out with and I doubt you'll have anymore of these kind of incidences. Hang out with losers and you'll experience a loser's lifestyle. Associate with a higher class of people and you'll experience a better lifestyle.

[Native]

creeper
http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Creepin.jpg

hells angel
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_z2d4IxltHJI/Sg4UeGkBszI/AAAAAAAABDk/nsfmdFUkEN4/s1600/FatFucker%26Bike.jpg

[#1Townie]

So I'm guessing the line gurl yous got a purty mouth doesn't work anymore?

[~Barn~]

hells angel
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_z2d4IxltHJI/Sg4UeGkBszI/AAAAAAAABDk/nsfmdFUkEN4/s1600/FatFucker%26Bike.jpg

More like Hell's Kitchen.

[Native]

So I'm guessing the line gurl yous got a purty mouth doesn't work anymore?

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll79/apocalypto10/russian%20women/deliverance-remake.jpg

[Native]

creeper or hell's angel?
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Screen-Shot-2012-09-09-at-4.57.01-PM-620x428.png

[~Barn~]

For the rest of my life, that picture will make me smile...

[Native]

For the rest of my life, that picture will make me smile...

That's Joe Biden - NOT creeper!

[bornwildnfree]

When I was lobying for ABATE for motorcycle rights, I had to work with a lot of the patched clubs. Most of the guys were polite and friendly. There's always a few although haven't really seen it hanging with you clowns. I even had to go to their club house. Not as fun as it sounds I promise you.

@Ralph - that explains why you don't ride street anymore...too afraid you'll get felt up. Ah well, what can you do when you're a superstar...

[Native]

I may be a noob, but I would say that's not safe behaviour

[The Black Knight]

creeper or hell's angel?
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Screen-Shot-2012-09-09-at-4.57.01-PM-620x428.png


For the rest of my life, that picture will make me smile...

I know!! total D-bag move. I love the expression on the guy to the right. You know he's mad as hell at that moment.

:lol:

[Jmetz]

That's Joe Biden - NOT creeper!

Wrong

[bornwildnfree]

can we have the details of the incident? I guess I've never encountered such a rude thing before

Let's see...Meeting of the Minds, two years ago, during the tug of war, the guy holding the microphone elected me to be one teams mascot while my back was turned, put his arm around me and wouldn't let me leave. I finally had to push his arm off me and tried to walk away but he kept chasing me down. No idea who he was and when I protested, I was the rude one and I should just "understand". At work, older gentleman started giving me hugs, first started with the side hug then moved to full body hugs. His hands started to wander. When I complained I was told there was nothing my company could do as I was a consultant and that it would look poorly on me to complain as this guy had been with the company 25 years and was well respected. Every single time I work the ABATE booth at the big swap meet in Febuary down at the stock show complex, there seems to be a sub set of guys who think it's ok to come up and give me a hug, simply because I'm standing there trying to give information about ABATE. Now, I'm a friendly person and I generally get along with most folks, but there is a big difference between me giving a hug to someone I know and getting hugged simply because I'm female and cute. If I protest or try and back away, I'm the one that's seen as rude and then I get snarled at. I stand up for me. I don't have a problem saying something isn't ok but it takes more than one voice to change the world. :-)

[The Black Knight]

When I was lobying for ABATE for motorcycle rights, I had to work with a lot of the patched clubs. Most of the guys were polite and friendly. There's always a few although haven't really seen it hanging with you clowns. I even had to go to their club house. Not as fun as it sounds I promise you.

@Ralph - that explains why you don't ride street anymore...too afraid you'll get felt up. Ah well, what can you do when you're a superstar...
Lobbying for motorcycle rights or not, that's not a safe environment for a lone woman to be in. Someone should have gone with you, especially if you had to go to their club houses. God knows what goes on at those places.

The cynic in me looks at it this way too. Lobby motorcycle rights in a place that actually matters. Who really cares what biker gangs think or what their rights are? My opinion, they joined a gang. I less concerned about their safety on the highway and more interested in when they'll become just another statistic...

[bornwildnfree]

And as promised...cute puppy pic http://puppydogweb.com/gallery/puppies/labradorretriever2.jpg

[bornwildnfree]

Lobbying for motorcycle rights or not, that's not a safe environment for a lone woman to be in. Someone should have gone with you, especially if you had to go to their club houses. God knows what goes on at those places.

The cynic in me looks at it this way too. Lobby motorcycle rights in a place that actually matters. Who really cares what biker gangs think or what their rights are? My opinion, they joined a gang. I less concerned about their safety on the highway and more interested in when they'll become just another statistic...

Would love to except they are down at the capital every week, working with the powers that be and they have a strong voice. Politics being politics, you have to get people to work together which means building relationships. Actually that trip they were super polite while I was there and we were able to get their support for the MOST bill which then passed. Ug politics...

[rforsythe]

That looks remarkably like Filo.......


creeper
http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Creepin.jpg

[Native]

Would love to except they are down at the capital every week, working with the powers that be and they have a strong voice. Politics being politics, you have to get people to work together which means building relationships. Actually that trip they were super polite while I was there and we were able to get their support for the MOST bill which then passed. Ug politics...

I really have very little understanding of these clubs, but you should be careful because they may see that as "agreeing" to be involved. I was approached by a patched club member, we had a polite conv, and he asked me if I wan't to "hang around", which I politely declined and ended the conv

[j0ker]

So many fucked up things in this thread....where to start?!

[#1Townie]

Meh those 1%ers are just big ol sissys that need a hug. And possibly hang out in sissys bars.

[Native]

well if we're going to be asked to go up to 1%ers with "not cool", guess what, ain't going to happen. I would escort the lady to safety maybe

[The Black Knight]

Would love to except they are down at the capital every week, working with the powers that be and they have a strong voice. Politics being politics, you have to get people to work together which means building relationships. Actually that trip they were super polite while I was there and we were able to get their support for the MOST bill which then passed. Ug politics...
Oh of course biker gangs feel right at home with Politicians. They are cut from the same stock. Both are sleazy and underhanded, just one set use the law to screw the people over and make their living, while the other resort to illegal activities to make their way of living. The only reason they are there trying to lend a voice to their cause, is because they are in each others pockets.



I really have very little understanding of these clubs, but you should be careful because they may see that as "agreeing" to be involved. I was approached by a patched club member, we had a polite conv, and he asked me if I wan't to "hang around", which I politely declined and ended the conv
Oh I had a rather pleasant "run in" with a patched local here last Fall. Rolled up next to him at the light just to say hi and shoot the sh*t with another motorcyclist. I was then chastised for pulling up next to him and that I should know my place is behind him.

I gave him a nice little head start and then proceeded to introduce him to what a real performance bike can do. Needless to say, after I slowed back down he tried chasing me for a bit, all the while I kept taunting him by waving back at him. I'd jump ahead of him, turn back and wave, let him catch up, then do it again. He wouldn't pull up next to me at the next light, instead he just rolled past me looking straight ahead as he ended up in the right lane, while I was in the middle behind a car. As the light went green, I yelled as I went past for him to buy a real bike. Then proceeded on my happy way.

I'm sorry, but I've got zero respect for these gang affiliated patch wearing f*gs. I'm sure there are some very nice people within these clubs. But my experience has been with the d-bags of the clubs. And the guy could have been a very nice guy as well but he showed how much of a tool he really was, when he told me my place was behind him. Just because he was on a Harley and me on a Japanese bike, gave him some sense of entitlement and superiority. Well I shoved that right down his throat when I went by.



well if we're going to be asked to go up to 1%ers with "not cool", guess what, ain't going to happen. I would escort the lady to safety maybe
Really??

You don't have to be confrontational but at least do the gentlemanly thing and request that they leave the lady alone. If they have a shred of manhood within them, they will realize their mistake and take it as a lesson learned. They may smack talk you, but in reality does it matter? As long as you do the right thing. I'll agree asking the lady if she needs to be escorted to a safer place is the right thing to do.


P.S.
you might say I was being confrontational in my story but I honestly wasn't. I was just being a dick to someone that was asking for it. In normal circumstances I wave to all kinds of riders. I appreciate all kinds of bikes and if I roll up next to someone at the stoplight and say, "hello, great day to be riding," I expect a cordial response back. I'm not asking to be life long buddies, but just a kind gesture from one motorcycle enthusiasts to another. But that was my first mistake. I didn't roll up next to another motorcycle enthusiast, instead I rolled up next to a biker.

Motorcyclist = Normal everyday people
Biker = d-bag's

[~Barn~]

I know!! total D-bag move. I love the expression on the guy to the right. You know he's mad as hell at that moment.

:lol:

Not laughing because it's delta bravo, laughing because it's awesome. The guy's badge says "troll" for god's sake, and he's getting served by JB making moves on his girl. Clas-sic. :yes:

[The Black Knight]

Not laughing because it's delta bravo, laughing because it's awesome. The guy's badge says "troll" for god's sake, and he's getting served by JB making moves on his girl. Clas-sic. :yes:

I agree the irony in that the troll got trolled is hilarious. I guess I thought it a bit delta bravo coming from a prospective VP candidate but then again that's what makes it even better. The last guy you would expect to troll on some guy's wife and it was Joe Biden doing it. :lol:

[mdub]

So I'm guessing the line gurl yous got a purty mouth doesn't work anymore?


Just for Aaron and Native..

[mdub]

I know!! total D-bag move. I love the expression on the guy to the right. You know he's mad as hell at that moment.

:lol:



I wud be too if my sista mom is getting a mild public grind...

[Native]

Just for Aaron and Native..
mdub, you got a purty mout, did it work?

[#1Townie]

well if we're going to be asked to go up to 1%ers with "not cool", guess what, ain't going to happen. I would escort the lady to safety maybe

Meh.. I've done it. Not worried about them. But for a guy who says he doesn't know much about them you seem to have a very strong opinion about them.

[Native]

Meh.. I've done it. Not worried about them. But for a guy who says he doesn't know much about them you seem to have a very strong opinion about them.
lol, just what I've seen on tv

[Native]

oh wait, we did have hundreds of bikers in the springs years ago, maybe I'm secretly hiding out from that gang...

[Drano]

It also helps if you don't wear the same t-shirt to the meetings. You might be giving guys the wrong impression. ;)
http://www.bigtimeteez.com/image/cache/data/Model%20Pics/Free%20Hugs%20T-Shirt%202-400x400.jpg

[Native]

It also helps if you don't wear the same t-shirt to the meetings. You might be giving guys the wrong impression. ;)


nah, I have that shirt, it doesn't work

[The Black Knight]

nah, I have that shirt, it doesn't work

only works if you're a hot chick

[Native]

hey BornFree, maybe here's what's needed

http://static.squarespace.com/static/516dca6de4b0633e7b26fadb/516edb04e4b00b7509411904/516edb12e4b00b7509411ab8/1332515374000/nohugs.png?format=original

[Drama2]

Ok I am speaking out. I find the unwanted comments happen when the man is uneducated on class, or he has never been bitch slapped hard enough to knock his teeth out or is uneducated on sexual harassment. I work in an environment where most of the people who come in are men, and they find my smile or act of kindness as a open invite to make some sort of sexual suggestion. Needless to say they do walk out of my office escorted by Federal Police after I have just gave them a sexual harassment knowledge form to help educate them and with out causing injury to them physically I cause injury to their pride of pure education. It is just lack of education....doesn't mean it is ok.

[Native]

are you possibly in the military? no offence, trying to help

[The Black Knight]

Ok I am speaking out. I find the unwanted comments happen when the man is uneducated on class, or he has never been bitch slapped hard enough to knock his teeth out or is uneducated on sexual harassment. I work in an environment where most of the people who come in are men, and they find my smile or act of kindness as a open invite to make some sort of sexual suggestion. Needless to say they do walk out of my office escorted by Federal Police after I have just gave them a sexual harassment knowledge form to help educate them and with out causing injury to them physically I cause injury to their pride of pure education. It is just lack of education....doesn't mean it is ok.

Good God what is wrong with the people you work with??

Just because a woman smiles, doesn't mean it's an open invitation for sex. Seriously?? are people that f**ked up??

I guess it's different in different types of work. I'm wondering if this type of behavior isn't more prevalent in office type settings. I myself work for the local government but what I do has me working outside. Granted, in my line of profession it is a male dominated arena. However, the females that do work along side us never(to my knowledge) have ever had problems or experiences with sexual harassment. Then again, I believe this has to do with the environment. We aren't couped up in cubicles or offices. We are out in the open and have plenty of space between everyone(when we do work with each other, most of the time I'm by myself in my job).

But see I think there is also a bit of a double edge sword. For women, they become uncomfortable when a man hugs them, touches them, invades their space. Men on the other hand, from what I know are the exact opposite. I have a female co-worker(not on my crew) but within my department, and when she sees me always gives me a rather vigorous hug, that tends to last longer than a hug should. But do I care?? Absolutely not!! LOL!! Because it's different for men. We just look at this kind of behavior differently.

As several of us gentlemen have made fun of in this thread. I don't think there is one straight man on this planet that would have a problem with women making filthy comments, hugging or groping them. I think if these sort of things started happening to men, we would probably start looking around for the hidden camera because these types of situations just don't come around often.

I will say that in my current career we take sexual harassment very seriously(being a government entity). But I remember back to my days in highschool when I worked at a local restaurant washing dishes. Several of the waitresses there made some off color comments about my ass. The funny thing is, when it happens to a male we just eat it up. I didn't for a second(this was due to my youth at the time) think that what was going on was sexual harassment. I just thought those horny waitresses needed something to talk about and I was their topic of conversation that day. Did I care?? Not in the least and I worked side by side with them for a couple years. The funny thing is though, I was raised by my Father that you don't say those sort of things to a woman and you always watch your language around them.

That's something I've had to curb with my seasonal workers that I get now. I usually get younger gentlemen that will work the Summer for me and I have to constantly remind them that foul language and dirty jokes are not tolerated in the presence of women. I tell them, if they are working with me and it's just the guys, give it hell and use any kind of language you want and drop the nastiest jokes you can think of cause we all love to laugh. But when women are present, clean it up and be respectful. Every now and then a few of them will be talking to one another about their sexual exploits, all within earshot of a fellow female worker. I have to take them outside and remind them of their behavior and language. Usually only takes one time and they get the picture.

[Drama2]

Native I am x Army and I work for Veterans....most uneducated, alcoholics, homeless and many problems. The majority of them are age 50+, which is why I feel the problem with the creeper that born described are a older generation that are uneducated like we are in today's work force. Black knight what you described is what I am used to work I g with when I was in the military, to me that does not describe sexual harassment, to me that just describes a bunch of men measuring dick sizes. What I am describing and what born I am guessing is describing is the guy who will consistenlty harass you because your not wearing a ring or question my sexual preference and then make some comment about how good I probably taste. This is what it is...
Joking around to me is not as long as it doesnt cross that creepy line as above.

[The Black Knight]

Native I am x Army and I work for Veterans....most uneducated, alcoholics, homeless and many problems. The majority of them are age 50+, which is why I feel the problem with the creeper that born described are a older generation that are uneducated like we are in today's work force. Black knight what you described is what I am used to work I g with when I was in the military, to me that does not describe sexual harassment, to me that just describes a bunch of men measuring dick sizes. What I am describing and what born I am guessing is describing is the guy who will consistenlty harass you because your not wearing a ring or question my sexual preference and then make some comment about how good I probably taste. This is what it is...
Joking around to me is not as long as it doesnt cross that creepy line as above.

wow!! someone actually commented on how you might taste. If he was referring to what I think he was, then that's an open invitation for you to blast him in the face!! That's a very inappropriate comment to make to a lady.

[Native]

BK - GREAT Standup, no more needs be said other than we'll look to you in the future
Drama - you set the stage for your interactions, for better or worse, it's in your hands. Empower yourself, you have the power to do good

[mdub]

........and then make some comment about how good I probably taste.



That is creepy.???!?!

[The Black Knight]

That is creepy.???!?!

it is, the more I think about it. It's creepy in a Hannibal Lecter or Buffalo Bill kind a way..

[mdub]

I missed that on the History channel. What did buffalo Bill do to be be creepy? tasted Buffaloes???

[The Black Knight]

I missed that on the History channel. What did buffalo Bill do to be be creepy? tasted Buffaloes???

LOL!! what didn't Buffalo Bill do that wasn't creepy. His whole existence was just being creepy.

"it rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again."

[Drama2]

I think the moral of what Born is saying is that we women are entering a male dominated sport and when a creeper comes at us, get our 6 because there are times when that creeper is told NO, but for some reason they dont hear us and we need our friends, co-workers, fellow riders to back us up. As you can tell there is a difference on how we perceive unwanted gesters and how males perceive it. I still think it all still has to do with lack of those creepers being educated and I have never had a problem with riding in groups, I always have felt like i am treated equally, it is a place situation.
Now the situation I discribed did happen, and I was the only female standing with 5 other males, they were talking when this male approached me, I did at first ignore his gestures and then I told him it was inappropriate and then finally I had to stand up and yell at him, slam my hands on the counter becasue he was not taking my NO the first 2 times in a polite manner. The only reason this male felt it was appropriate in the first place was becasue he felt a male bonding moment, I was soloed out as the only female and 5 other males. He left uneducated becasue not one of those males said something to him, so he will do it again until he becomes educated by a MALE.

[MarkT]

Good God what is wrong with the people you work with??

Just because a woman smiles, doesn't mean it's an open invitation for sex. Seriously?? are people that f**ked up??



Damn all these years I've had this screwed up. fuck me.

[mdub]

LOL!! what didn't Buffalo Bill do that wasn't creepy. His whole existence was just being creepy.

"it rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again."

ha that buffalo bill. Okay.....

[The Black Knight]

I think the moral of what Born is saying is that we women are entering a male dominated sport and when a creeper comes at us, get our 6 because there are times when that creeper is told NO, but for some reason they dont hear us and we need our friends, co-workers, fellow riders to back us up. As you can tell there is a difference on how we perceive unwanted gesters and how males perceive it. I still think it all still has to do with lack of those creepers being educated and I have never had a problem with riding in groups, I always have felt like i am treated equally, it is a place situation.
Now the situation I discribed did happen, and I was the only female standing with 5 other males, they were talking when this male approached me, I did at first ignore his gestures and then I told him it was inappropriate and then finally I had to stand up and yell at him, slam my hands on the counter becasue he was not taking my NO the first 2 times in a polite manner. The only reason this male felt it was appropriate in the first place was becasue he felt a male bonding moment, I was soloed out as the only female and 5 other males. He left uneducated becasue not one of those males said something to him, so he will do it again until he becomes educated by a MALE.

I agree with you Drama,

I think as long as you're with friends or males that will do the right thing you and other women will be OK. My advice as well is if something like this happens again in the future make a point of bringing it to another males attention. Sure you can unload on the guy and yell at him. But if you initially tell him no and he persists. Go to a male friend and ask them to step in on your behalf and have a nice little chat with Mr. Creepy. Many times this happens under our radar and we can't react until it's too late. As it is happening bring it forth to another male and I'd be willing to bet you'll see a much different result, than just the old wait for another guy to step in.

In this modern era of woman empowerment I will not get involved in a situation because some women may feel it as a bit of encroachment on their independent character. However, if a woman does ask for my help I'm more than willing to oblige and step in.

This ain't the old west where the hero rides in and saves the day. Modern thinking and society has removed that from men. The knight in shining armor won't spring into action anymore unless asked to do so. Which is why The Black Knight remains in the shadows and keeps a watchful eye on things from a distance lol!!

[The Black Knight]

ha that buffalo bill. Okay.....

lol!! that's the one I was referring too. Mr. "would you have me? I'd have me, I'd have me hard." While putting on make up in the mirror. :lol:

[Wrider]

I agree with you Drama, I think as long as you're with friends or males that will do the right thing you and other women will be OK. My advice as well is if something this happens again in the future make a point of bringing it to another males attention. Sure you can unload on the guy and yell at him. But if you initially tell him no and he persists. Go to a male friend and ask them to step in on your behalf and have a nice little chat with Mr. Creepy. Many times this happen under our radar and we can't react until it's too late. As it is happening bring it forth to another male and I'd be willing to bet you'll see a much different result, than just the old wait for another guy to step in.

In this modern era of woman empowerment I will not get involved in a situation because some women may feel it as a bit of encroachment on their independent character. However, if a woman does ask for my help I'm more than willing to oblige and step in.

This ain't the old west where the hero rides in and saves the day. Modern thinking and society has removed that from men. The knight in shining armor won't spring into action anymore unless asked to do so. Which is why The Black Knight remains in the shadows and keeps at watchful eye on things fro. a distance lol!!

I agree with this 100%. I've been yelled at by a woman for stepping up to a guy after she's told him no politely twice. Apparently my intervention was just as "chauvinistic" to her as the guy approaching her rather aggressively. After that I wouldn't even step in if she asked me.

[Drano]

In this modern era of woman empowerment I will not get involved in a situation because some women may feel it as a bit of encroachment on their independent character. However, if a woman does ask for my help I'm more than willing to oblige and step in.

I agree with this as well. As much as I, or many stand-up guys, would like to intervene on a woman's behalf, this is still employing a double-standard. It would demand that men be polite to women whilst demanding that other men be the enforcers. As much as I, and others, would love to step in and take care of the situation, empowerment comes from taking action yourself. Otherwise it's simply trading male dominance of one sort for that of another sort. It may take care of the pigs, but it simultaneously fosters the age-old mentality that women still need men to take out the trash for them. I think the better solution is for women to come emotionally/physically prepared to deal with the swine in such a way that he realizes his error and thinks twice about crossing the line. While men should inherently be respectful, some of them don't give it until it is earned.

[#1Townie]

Hahahaha you guys are bringing up a great argument.

[MarkT]

Pffft.

They're here for our amusement.

[The Black Knight]

Pffft.

They're here for our amusement.

wow bro, I really hope that is sarcasm(on the internet is hard to tell) cause that's a bit much.

[#1Townie]

wow bro, I really hope that is sarcasm(on the internet is hard to tell) cause that's a bit much.

He didn't say what they is in reference to. Could have been the 1%ers.

Who knows man...

[The Black Knight]

He didn't say what they is in reference to. Could have been the 1%ers.

Who knows man...

Lol!! figured it just had to be internet sarcasm. :lol:

[Drama2]

I agree I wouldn't run to a man every time this happens to me....it happened again today, I just deal with it until it becomes stalking or violent and then I run to a man who can chest puff and support me.

[Wrider]

So then when should we know when to stand up for someone versus when to stand down and let you deal with it yourself? I mean that as an honest question.

[Drama2]

The same way you would with your sister......
So then when should we know when to stand up for someone versus when to stand down and let you deal with it yourself? I mean that as an honest question.

[#1Townie]

So then when should we know when to stand up for someone versus when to stand down and let you deal with it yourself? I mean that as an honest question.

Basically what they are saying is they will let you know when they want someone to step in......... kind of the opposite of how the original post made things sound.

Honestly myself I won't do a thing until I'm asked.

[Drama2]

It would be no different for me if Big Berths is woman handling you and I observe you in distress and balled up like a little boy reliving the crying game..I would rescue you...maybe. haha

[MarkT]

balled up like a little boy reliving the crying game..

lol!

[Wrider]

It would be no different for me if Big Berths is woman handling you and I observe you in distress and balled up like a little boy reliving the crying game..I would rescue you...maybe. haha

Hey now, there's no reason to bring up my history here! :( My therapist is gonna hate you now! :mrt:

[The Black Knight]

It would be no different for me if Big Berths is woman handling you and I observe you in distress and balled up like a little boy reliving the crying game..I would rescue you...maybe. haha

even if Big Bertha does manage to get her hands on me, chances are I'm not going to fight it. Might as well give her a thrill and let her drink in the awesomeness that is The Black Knight.

:D

[Zanatos]

As an ugly, old, married guy who likes to ride, I purposefully avoid talking to women riders to avoid creating a bad impression.

In the end, the impression that I make is that I'm a weird old guy who is antisocial. Either way, it's unfortunate because I like meeting new people and making new friends, and I've been told I'm a decent listener/conversationalist.

I didn't take up motorcycling to hook up, get laid, hit on women, or any of that bullshit. It's too bad that a few dirty old men make all of us look like pervs.

[Aaron]

Just because I'm a dirty perv and make you all look bad doesn't mean you have to call me old, dick. Thanks.

[FZRguy]

It's too bad that a few dirty old men make all of us look like pervs.

My thought too. You can tell when a female has her guard up, which is most of the time. Can't blame them, really. Too bad for both sexes that they miss out on meeting the good guys protecting from the 1%.

[#1Townie]

Just because I'm a dirty perv and make you all look bad doesn't mean you have to call me old, dick. Thanks.
Meh its your own fault.

[koop]

Creepy is in the eye of the beholder.

What's creppy coming from this dude;

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n52/cocorowe/bikerfox.jpg

Might be witty and charming coming from this dude;

http://blindgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/man-tuxedo-e1391199967751.jpg

[FZRguy]

Hey, don't be dissing Biker Fox.

[Drama2]

A hug for you John and Zanatos. I am anti-social in my personal life as well, I guess guarded as well because I do deal with a lot of c reepers in my work life. I am not here to hook up, but to ride in this male dominant sport and with being new I want to learn, well I can learn for myself or approach you guys in which all I want is knowledge and experience from you. Which is safer for me. And for those who have called me when in need I am for ever grateful.


My thought too. You can tell when a female has her guard up, which is most of the time. Can't blame them, really. Too bad for both sexes that they miss out on meeting the good guys protecting from the 1%.

[The Black Knight]

I'm a good mix of both introvert and extravert. If I know you, I'm the easiest guy in the world to get along with. Love having a good time and laughing it up. If I don't know you, chances are it will take me awhile before I warm up to you. People that I don't know, I keep them at a distance in order for me to study them a bit. Figure out if I will like who they are, or end up not wanting to be around them. In terms of women, unless it's a woman that absolutely captivates me and I'm mesmerized by her I'll go up and talk to her and even ask her out. Most of the time, I keep a distance from the ladies as well. You never know what's going through their mind and I'm sure plenty of them just want to be left alone when they are out.

Now that being said, get several Coors lights in me and I will chat up all the ladies and not care if every one of them shoots me down. I'm just happy to chat up the ladies. <----(this doesn't happen very often) LOL!!

:D

[mdub]

I am same way soul brotha. cept for the coors light....

[#1Townie]

I'm just a prick.... unless I like you. Then I'm just a dick. Lol

[kawasakirob]

I just don't like being inappropriately touched in certain areas...unless they have permission.


Q: "Rob can I touch you there?"

A: " Yes, thank you for asking"

[Aaron]

Rob can I touch you behind your ears?

[Native]

I'm a good mix of both introvert and extravert. If I know you, I'm the easiest guy in the world to get along with. Love having a good time and laughing it up. If I don't know you, chances are it will take me awhile before I warm up to you. People that I don't know, I keep them at a distance in order for me to study them a bit. Figure out if I will like who they are, or end up not wanting to be around them. In terms of women, unless it's a woman that absolutely captivates me and I'm mesmerized by her I'll go up and talk to her and even ask her out. Most of the time, I keep a distance from the ladies as well. You never know what's going through their mind and I'm sure plenty of them just want to be left alone when they are out.

Now that being said, get several Coors lights in me and I will chat up all the ladies and not care if every one of them shoots me down. I'm just happy to chat up the ladies. <----(this doesn't happen very often) LOL!!

:D


I am same way soul brotha. cept for the coors light....


yeh me too cept wit coors light and no the rest

[TFOGGuys]

I was raised to be polite and respectful to ALL women. Even in my dating days, I was confident and friendly, but never pushy or overly forward. It landed me in the "friend zone" more often than I would have liked, but a lot of those women are still my friends 20+ years later.

[kawasakirob]

Rob can I touch you behind your ears?

only if your gentle

[#1Townie]

only if your gentle

Now this thread is getting interesting.

[Radek]

and spooph didn't get it ?

[Zanatos]

Townie, I think you meant to say, "Now this thread is getting creepy."

There. I fixed it for you.

[#1Townie]

Townie, I think you meant to say, "Now this thread is getting creepy."

There. I fixed it for you.


Nope.

[The Black Knight]

I was raised to be polite and respectful to ALL women. Even in my dating days, I was confident and friendly, but never pushy or overly forward. It landed me in the "friend zone" more often than I would have liked, but a lot of those women are still my friends 20+ years later.
I think most of the time a man who acts like a proper gentlemen will always get himself sent to the friend zone. It's unfortunate because many women miss out on great guys because they relegate them to the friend zone. Has happened to me before and the crappy thing about it is they(women) will always try to bring their guy problems too(as if you really care), and since you're that loser who will listen to their problems, you become the shoulder to cry on. I usually would just nod my head and throw in a few "oh yeah, understand you completely's" but in all actuality I really don't care. In one ear and out the other, as I'm just friend zone material and my advice never gets taken. They always end up doing the exact opposite of what you recommend.

[Wrider]

I think most of the time a man who acts like a proper gentlemen will always get himself sent to the friend zone. It's unfortunate because many women miss out on great guys because they relegate them to the friend zone. Has happened to me before and the crappy thing about it is they(women) will always try to bring their guy problems too(as if you really care), and since you're that loser who will listen to their problems, you become the shoulder to cry on. I usually would just nod my head and throw in a few "oh yeah, understand you completely's" but in all actuality I really don't care. In one ear and out the other, as I'm just friend zone material and my advice never gets taken. They always end up doing the exact opposite of what you recommend.

Been there more times than I can count. I evolved from being a super gentleman to going for what I wanted, and that worked really well. In fact I'm still friends with most of the women I treated like that. Now that I'm looking for an actual relationship though, I've discovered that women have some sort of primal need to be pushed a little. If I'm too gentlemanly, even if I'm completely clear on my intent to date them, it doesn't happen unless I get aggressive.

[The Black Knight]

Been there more times than I can count. I evolved from being a super gentleman to going for what I wanted, and that worked really well. In fact I'm still friends with most of the women I treated like that. Now that I'm looking for an actual relationship though, I've discovered that women have some sort of primal need to be pushed a little. If I'm too gentlemanly, even if I'm completely clear on my intent to date them, it doesn't happen unless I get aggressive.
You've done better than I. For me, I try to still consider myself a gentlemen in the way I treat women or ones that I would like to date(especially with the prospect of a relationship). That being said, I have evolved in another direction, for good or bad can't really say. But if I do happen to come across one that I'm kind of interested in or she's interested in me but neither of us are up for a commitment or the drain of a relationship and she would prefer to keep it shall I say on the "down low" HAHA, then I'm happy to oblige. Honestly, being a guy I've got no problems with a little side action from a female friend.. HAHA!! I'm sure this paints me in a bad light but I don't really care. I'm at the age where I just don't give a sh*t anymore. I've reserved myself to the fact that I may never get married. But realize that I'm still young enough to play the field(age wise). I usually give myself a 10 year spread either side of my age(and I do tend to prefer women my age or older) but a younger one isn't bad. I will say this, younger women for the most part are a big waste of time(if you're considering a relationship), they have no clue what they want.

I do get lonely at times and some days it's worse than others. But then I look at all my cool toys and stuff and realize being single, really ain't that bad 8)

[Drama2]

You cant shoot them or live with them (us)....why cant we all just along. :)

[The Black Knight]

You cant shoot them or live with them (us)....why cant we all just along. :)

Because we(men) are the simplest of simple and you(women) are among some of the most complex things on this planet. Both are at extreme ends of the spectrum... the challenge is making it work... :)

[Aaron]

I'll agree with you on the young girls. I'm 28, dated a 21yo for the past year, and just like you said she had no idea what she wanted. And she played games. I'm glad to be out of that, but need to get over her already.

This thread got off topic quick.

[#1Townie]

I'll agree with you on the young girls. I'm 28, dated a 21yo for the past year, and just like you said she had no idea what she wanted. And she played games. I'm glad to be out of that, but need to get over her already.

This thread got off topic quick.

Oh we can make this off topic!

[TFOGGuys]

Oh we can make this off topic!

Back to your hole, or you get the hose again...


http://youtu.be/tDgS6qLsVM4

[Drama2]

Hahaha....



Back to your hole, or you get the hose again...


http://youtu.be/tDgS6qLsVM4

[The Black Knight]

I'll agree with you on the young girls. I'm 28, dated a 21yo for the past year, and just like you said she had no idea what she wanted. And she played games. I'm glad to be out of that, but need to get over her already.

This thread got off topic quick.
That's because you got creepy...



Back to your hole, or you get the hose again...


http://youtu.be/tDgS6qLsVM4
Man that wasn't even the weirdest part of that movie.

This was hands down one of the strangest, weirdest and creepiest things in the movie. I'm not going to even embed it here cause it's just ill...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-ac87-6n3I <------click here and watch the creepy guy do his thing..


P.S.
that is a hilarious song for the movie BTW...

[#1Townie]

Back to your hole, or you get the hose again...


http://youtu.be/tDgS6qLsVM4

Maaaaan. At least Joe dirt got something to read. This is bs.

[Aaron]

That's because you got creepy...
I did not. I watched her sleep from her backyard to make sure she was safe. Safety first.

[The Black Knight]

I did not. I watched her sleep from her backyard to make sure she was safe. Safety first.

No no, you're doing it wrong. You can't hear them breathe or smell their hair from outside in the backyard. It's a way better experience to stand next to them as they sleep. That way when they toss and turn you can tuck the sheets back in so they won't get cold. Or better yet just call at all hours of the night from a payphone and just breathe into the phone, it's such a romantic thing to do. :D

[#1Townie]

You guys are both amateurs. You have to hurt yourself so they can take care of you. Also make sure you make their friends hate you back make her think you're a victim.

This way you can have her all to yourself.

[bornwildnfree]

What both Drama2 and I are saying is back us up when we ask but be aware of it as guys. This isn't our culture to change, it's yours. It's something you guys have to be willing to deal with and talk about amongst yourselves and take the stand that it's not ok. It's allowed to happen because no one shines a light on it and talks about it. It is simply accepted.

There is a big difference between being a Nice Guy (TM) and a good guy. A nice guy is selfish, is never wrong and usually only doing nice things to get in a woman's pants and then complains that he's so "nice and why don't women like me". A nice guy usually is the creeper. A good guy will call me on my shit if I'm wrong, will treat me as an equal, not as an accessory, is someone I can count on to have my back and apologizes when he makes a mistake and changes. I don't date Nice Guys. I am dating an amazingly good guy.

ETA: Edited for clarity and added a couple of links for Nice Guys vs Good Guys because I can't explain it as well as some other people already have.

http://superiormanconsulting.com/nice-guys-finish-last-good-guys-finish-first/
http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-12-10/dating-donts-the-difference-between-nice-guys-and-guys-who-are-nice/

[bornwildnfree]

I am also doing what I can to change the pervasive view that if you have a penis you are BAD and it doesn't matter if you are innocent, you go to jail the second someone feels threatened by you or is vindictive etc. It is not fair that I can get arrested for punching someone unprovoked but most likely the charges will be dropped where a guy will be arrested and charged and most likely convicted even if it is first offence and there is no history. Completely stupid and unfair.

[Zanatos]

Wow - there sure are a lot of rules about how us guys are supposed to conduct ourselves in public. I'm glad I am not in the dating game anymore. Games exhaust me.

[Drano]

What both Drama2 and I are saying is back us up when we ask but be aware of it as guys. This isn't our culture to change, it's yours. It's something you guys have to be willing to deal with and talk about amongst yourselves and take the stand that it's not ok. It's allowed to happen because no one shines a light on it and talks about it. It is simply accepted.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to somewhat disagree with you here. I agree that men should support you and back you up, but disagree about it being our culture to change. The civil-rights and feminist movements didn't accomplish the things they did by sitting around and waiting for the powers that be to have a change of heart. They had to fight and struggle to change the culture. The same has to happen from your end. I agree that the culture has to change, but it's not going to happen from those who dominate it.

[GMR]

This isn't our culture to change, it's yours. It's something you guys have to be willing to deal with and talk about amongst yourselves and take the stand that it's not ok. It's allowed to happen because no one shines a light on it and talks about it. It is simply accepted.


Was trying to stay out of this one because I think this thread is stupid and needs to die, but I can't any longer. If this were about race, that comment would spark a shitstorm.
Don't profile all of us because of the acts of a few.
What I can tell is you are around some seedy old men (Granted most are good but some not so) and some say inappropriate things. Solution: avoid them. If it's not worth dealing with some comments, why bother. If you don't want to get swore at and maybe a drink dumped on you, don't go sitting in an opposing student section wearing the opponents jersey and cheering loudly. Is it awful that you can't do that? Of course, but some things are impossible to change

I'm not going to go out seeking people who are trouble in hopes to change them. If someone acts up at a CSC ride, I'm sure there will be intervention so why is this even a thread here?

[The Black Knight]

To those who say being a gentleman lands you in the friends zone, there is a big difference between being a Nice Guy (TM) and a good guy. A nice guy is selfish, is never wrong and usually only doing nice things to get in a woman's pants and then complains that he's so "nice and why don't women like me". A nice guy usually is the creeper. A good guy will call me on my shit if I'm wrong, will treat me as an equal, not as an accessory, is someone I can count on to have my back and apologizes when he makes a mistake and changes. I don't date Nice Guys. I am dating an amazingly good guy.
Umm hate to break it to you, but that's on every man's mind. Why do you think we want to date women?? Because we're hoping the eventual endgame will be a long lasting relationship and yes of course sex and lots of it.

So to say that is one of the defining differences between a "Nice Guy" and a "Good Guy"(I'm still trying to figure this one out) is a bit much, because they are "BOTH" trying to get in your pants. What will set them apart are the methods of how they go about getting into your pants. But make no mistake, men want to get in women's pants. Believe me, that's what we do.

I'm still trying to figure out the differences between the two as both seem similar, yet the lines that separate them are blurry. You would have been better off stating the differences that are between a "Douchebag" and a "Man", because there is a world of difference between a real Man, and a guy that's just gone delta bravo all the time.



I am also doing what I can to change the pervasive view that if you have a penis you are BAD and it doesn't matter if you are innocent, you go to jail the second someone feels threatened by you or is vindictive etc. It is not fair that I can get arrested for punching someone unprovoked but most likely the charges will be dropped where a guy will be arrested and charged and most likely convicted even if it is first offence and there is no history. Completely stupid and unfair.
LOL!!!

Good luck with that... Let us know how that turns out for you.


Wow - there sure are a lot of rules about how us guys are supposed to conduct ourselves in public. I'm glad I am not in the dating game anymore. Games exhaust me.
No shit!! I hear that. I think some of the rules only apply on Tuesday's or days when you're supposed to know but you're not aware of it. Kind of like being blamed for a catastrophic fiasco that happens at work, only for it to be on the day you were off. LOL!! lots of gray area again.



I'm sorry, but I'm going to somewhat disagree with you here. I agree that men should support you and back you up, but disagree about it being our culture to change. The civil-rights and feminist movements didn't accomplish the things they did by sitting around and waiting for the powers that be to have a change of heart. They had to fight and struggle to change the culture. The same has to happen from your end. I agree that the culture has to change, but it's not going to happen from those who dominate it.
I can't believe this, I'm agreeing completely with Drano on this. I, will say I, agree with Drano a many things, just not Valentino Rossi :doublefinger:



Was trying to stay out of this one because I think this thread is stupid and needs to die, but I can't any longer. If this were about race, that comment would spark a shitstorm.
Don't profile all of us because of the acts of a few.
What I can tell is you are around some seedy old men (Granted most are good but some not so) and some say inappropriate things. Solution: avoid them. If it's not worth dealing with some comments, why bother. If you don't want to get swore at and maybe a drink dumped on you, don't go sitting in an opposing student section wearing the opponents jersey and cheering loudly. Is it awful that you can't do that? Of course, but some things are impossible to change

I'm not going to go out seeking people who are trouble in hopes to change them. If someone acts up at a CSC ride, I'm sure there will be intervention so why is this even a thread here?
It hasn't died because a few trolled it, now it's derailed and getting better by the minute.

But I think you hit the nail on the head and it was covered somewhere on page 1. Which is, if you don't hang out with those loser types of people, then loser types of people won't affect you and what you do. After all, the Hell's Angles are a gang. And what do gang's typically do?? Gang stuff, which is usually illegal. Hell's Angels aren't Boy Scouts, I wouldn't expect any kind of normal behavior from Hell's Angels.



P.S.

Here you go GMR :D

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh581/DNA_SWIRL_777/setsail-for-fail-thread_zps0be30af4.jpg (http://s1253.photobucket.com/user/DNA_SWIRL_777/media/setsail-for-fail-thread_zps0be30af4.jpg.html)

[Drama2]

Drano I agree with you on above. What the heck... I do feel you born and I would back you up if I ever witnessed it, but its not all men and I dont feel 100% with what you feel or see.

[Drama2]

?

[rforsythe]

This isn't our culture to change, it's yours.

Excuse me? It's not my culture just because I share a common anatomical part with others who are douchebags, any more than it's your culture universally every time a woman does something untoward. In my particular culture, I generally don't hang out with these kinds of dudes, so there is really nothing for me to change. Just because this is a mostly dick-dominated sport does not mean the onus is automatically on every guy to police the rest of them. The motorcycle culture I choose to participate in more or less avoids assholes, that is all I really need to care about.

(And I realize you weren't addressing anyone directly, but since you kinda called out every guy on here, there you go)

[~Barn~]

Now if only Canuck were around to lock this thread!

[UglyDogRacing]

This thread -

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_C4isIrqW5Yk/TNzHYB9zhRI/AAAAAAAAGVQ/J4cxT2_GqXg/s1600/4146839364_ce4cee6ba3_z.jpg

[madvlad]

So I'm a true gentleman and I'm a creeper now?... yea way to generalize there so I guess we can say that all women are bitches so there... what an ignorant claim to just pull out. Yea, I'll give you that most guys play that role but is not the case with every guy.... horrible. I'll make sure not to be on rides or events where you'll be so then that way you won't feel smothered by creepiness... *rolls eyes*

[OUTLAWD]

Really??? pages!?



I'll make sure not to be on rides or events where you'll be so then that way you won't feel smothered by creepiness... *rolls eyes*

I'm with you on this! I will avoid all rides and functions that may have a woman present, because I woudn't want to come across as a "Nice Guy"

I can also stop helping women who have crashed on the side of the road, women who need mechanical work done on their bikes, etc. Because I would want to risk it seemon like I am trying to get into any pants.

I miss teh kitteh threads....

[rforsythe]

I miss teh kitteh threads....

Only creepy guys like kitteh threads...

[Native]

http://www.oddman.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/07221012.jpg

humor from the internets

[madvlad]

Really??? pages!?




I'm with you on this! I will avoid all rides and functions that may have a woman present, because I woudn't want to come across as a "Nice Guy"

I can also stop helping women who have crashed on the side of the road, women who need mechanical work done on their bikes, etc. Because I would want to risk it seemon like I am trying to get into any pants.

I miss teh kitteh threads....

Yeap, it's crap but whatever. Just like in the sport cause of a few assholes, all of us pay the price... whatever, know better than to argue with women anyways, sure we are all assholes if that's what you want to hear lol :roll: .... where da fak is Dana with them kittah pozt when you need that ahole :lol:

[GMR]

somewhere in this thread we were talking about work environments. I work on/around oil rigs, and my coworker (who is quite social) has been really frustrated since coming to this job because how she is treated (she's mid-late 20s). It's not sexual harassment or anything like you would initially think, it's the fact that she wants to get to know and have conversations with the rig hands. Except when she is headed up there, they all split because they don't want to risk saying anything stupid and getting in trouble.
As some of here have said, maybe they'll just avoid rides where there's a woman present. Or at least just make sure not to say a word to her. We'll see how much the ladies would like just being completely ignored
And I think many here would agree, the word "creeper" is quite derogatory IMO. I know some guys who I swear are aesexual (sp?) but they come across as a creeper to some women for trying to be friendly.

[madvlad]

You can't say anything anymore because everyone always thinks negatively of EVERYTHING and for some reason everyone always thinks that there's something wanted for something... why can't there be normal casual conversation without anything else over that... reason why I'm not even that social anymore, would hate to be misunderstood and end up losing my freedom or my life over some dumb shit that people misinterpreted cause of the level of paranoia.

[Aaron]

Or just don't give a shit what people think. In my opinion that's part of the sportbike crowd as it is, so it's not like I've disappointed anyone. I'm not saying I treat people like crap, or creep and sexually harass, but if a girl is on a CSC ride, I don't change my attitude or speech at all. That's what I love about Kerry, she fits in better than half the guys here. And even if it was Anna Kournikova on the ride I wouldn't be attracted to her, because I'm not attracted to girls who ride. Err, not attracted to girls who ride MOTORCYCLES you pervs.

[madvlad]

It is what it is, I don't hold back either when I talk whoever likes it cool and who doesn't well too bad. I haven't met Kerry yet so nothing against her, most girls I know fit very well with us guys and know how to take guy sarcasm and also fit rather well.

[Grim2.0]

Well this was a fun read.

[NUTZ]

This should sum it up.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e141/busaguy05/1975189_10152053559448123_1339773802_n_zps701dd934 .jpg~original (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/busaguy05/media/1975189_10152053559448123_1339773802_n_zps701dd934 .jpg.html)

[Wrider]

Born, I'm gonna have to agree with the other guys here. I wrote out a long reply, but honestly it can't be explained because you have a completely different viewpoint than I do. And yes, while some guys are jackasses, there are plenty of women who are the female equivalent and just as bad.

[Drama2]

Thanks Aaron....and Madvlad...ps...I am a secret pervert as well, I am in the rear of a group to check out your rear tire..hehe..


Or just don't give a shit what people think. In my opinion that's part of the sportbike crowd as it is, so it's not like I've disappointed anyone. I'm not saying I treat people like crap, or creep and sexually harass, but if a girl is on a CSC ride, I don't change my attitude or speech at all. That's what I love about Kerry, she fits in better than half the guys here. And even if it was Anna Kournikova on the ride I wouldn't be attracted to her, because I'm not attracted to girls who ride. Err, not attracted to girls who ride MOTORCYCLES you pervs.

[biikChiQ]

haven't had this issue.. yet... Maybe because I'm too quiet and unnoticeable--> which I'm fine with. I've met a lot of different kinds of riders and everyone I've met have been cool so far. I can only remember one incident where a rider (in his 60s) kept hitting on my friend even though his wife was sitting next to him. my friend tried to diffuse the situation, but the way she went about it fed him into it even more... His wife didn't even stop him either and she seemed really irritated.
The only time i'd Probably need anyone to step in is if harassment becomes physical or something.

[madvlad]

Thanks Aaron....and Madvlad...ps...I am a secret pervert as well, I am in the rear of a group to check out your rear tire..hehe..

:lol:

[madvlad]

haven't had this issue.. yet... Maybe because I'm too quiet and unnoticeable--> which I'm fine with. I've met a lot of different kinds of riders and everyone I've met have been cool so far. I can only remember one incident where a rider (in his 60s) kept hitting on my friend even though his wife was sitting next to him. my friend tried to diffuse the situation, but the way she went about it fed him into it even more... His wife didn't even stop him either and she seemed really irritated.
The only time i'd Probably need anyone to step in is if harassment becomes physical or something.

I sure hope that when you rode in my rides you felt welcomed/helped and if not I apologize.

[Aaron]

Madvlad you're being creepy again.

[madvlad]

When am I not? :lol:... I feel like in that top gear episode that they get in trouble for being too entertaining lol... I'm being too nice and helpful, let me dial it back to asshole so it can be a normal scenario lol

[UglyDogRacing]

I miss teh kitteh threads....


https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4777443072/h28F353BA/

[The Black Knight]

This should sum it up.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e141/busaguy05/1975189_10152053559448123_1339773802_n_zps701dd934 .jpg~original (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/busaguy05/media/1975189_10152053559448123_1339773802_n_zps701dd934 .jpg.html)

You know that basically sums it up for what happens in real life. Oh and look, see who's getting sh*t on the entire time?? It's the "nice guy", no line of demarcation between "Nice Guy" and "Good Guy", just plain old nice guy in the same old situation and always will be. Getting dumped on... :|


How This World Works:
"Nice Guy wants a Nice Girl, nice girl "friend zoned" nice guy and has her eye on your typical d-bag bad boy. Bad boy treats nice girl crappy all the while messing around on Nice Girl with Bad Girl. Bad Girl secretly wants to distance herself from loser Bad Boy and yearns for a Rich Man to leach onto and take care of her. Rich Guy doesn't care, because he's got the fat money roll and buys whatever he wants and gets Hot Chicks. Where Rich Guy makes his mistake, is he marries a hot chick, who then divorces him and he gets taken to the cleaners.." Then, start process over again....

[Sully]

It's like the girl who wears the low cut shirt to show off her assets or the short skirt so her booty hangs out... Why is she wearing it? She likes it, wants the attention, but when the
attention she's getting is negative, she doesn't like it. What kind of attention did she think she was going to get? Complimentary attention? Your shirt/skirt looks nice? She may
get that but unlikely. She will get more of the stares, the comments and even a few touchy-feelys... Am I saying that it's appropriate?? No, but this is the type of attention she is
drawing from what she is wearing. It's unlikely that I will go to dive bars, rides, motorcycle events, work etc. wearing something revealing. Why? First off because it's not my style of dress plus I'm not the type of person that needs or wants the attention. (there is a time and place for it) Yes, I'm female and I'm quite sure that you notice that without any of my body parts on display.. I think if a person is dressed appropriately or conservatively, these type of comments do not occur. Showing and having respect for myself brings the bar up to most of the people around you to not make these types of comments.

I'm not saying anyone on this board does this, I am only making a statement as to how and why this can occur. :p

Now back to your regularly schedule kittah pics!

[Drama2]

So what I see is the only one who survives the dating cycle is the HOT CHICK.....damn slut.



You know that basically sums it up for what happens in real life. Oh and look, see who's getting sh*t on the entire time?? It's the "nice guy", no line of demarcation between "Nice Guy" and "Good Guy", just plain old nice guy in the same old situation and always will be. Getting dumped on... :|


How This World Works:
"Nice Guy wants a Nice Girl, nice girl "friend zoned" nice guy and has her eye on your typical d-bag bad boy. Bad boy treats nice girl crappy all the while messing around on Nice Girl with Bad Girl. Bad Girl secretly wants to distance herself from loser Bad Boy and yearns for a Rich Man to leach onto and take care of her. Rich Guy doesn't care, because he's got the fat money roll and buys whatever he wants and gets Hot Chicks. Where Rich Guy makes his mistake, is he marries a hot chick, who then divorces him and he gets taken to the cleaners.." Then, start process over again....

[The Black Knight]

So what I see is the only one who survives the dating cycle is the HOT CHICK.....damn slut.

Haha!! yeah basically.. There is a tiny ray of hope the Nice Guy will end up with the Hot Girl, but I wouldn't hold my breath lol!! :D

[~Barn~]

Be a bad-boy at the core if you must, but know how to outdo the nice-guy at his own games. Nice guys don't finish last, boring guys do.

Be honest with the girls (and people) you meet. It may not win you fans if your honesty isn't their cup of tea, but act with a little cooth and don't boast your depravity and you will be admired as long as you're reasonable and show balance.

Don't let the women fool you. What they "say they want" and what they "know they like" can seem to be conflicting, but find where it overlaps, because it probably does. No girl wants 100% Bad/Nice guy just like no guy wants a girl who is hypocritical in their actions despite what they tell you is their philosophy.

Respect is a two-way street. Blindly giving it without always receiving it first is a necessary part of the game when getting to know the opposite sex. Once you've earned it though, not getting it in return can collapse everything.

Sometimes the hottest girls don't even realize it of themselves. Sometimes those who are constantly trying to convince society that it's them, are the scariest to be around. Go after who you like even if they seem "out of your league"; you'll surprise yourself.

Yes. Be as rich as you can. There is no downside.

Nothing is as guaranteed in life to deteriorate, as is our personal beauty. Don't make it too much of a focus and if it's the only personal compliment (however tactful) that you can ever bring yourself to pay somebody, your material is weak.

Anything that you're willing to defend of yourself, be willing to defend of somebody else. Don't assume that you have to at every perceived moment, but let your preparation inspire confidence in others and act when it's clear that it's necessary.

Being creepy is not necessarily a bad thing if you can dilute it with normalcy. Being phony however is never excusable. I'll take a genuine creep any day over a fraudulent hero.

[Drano]

Be a bad-boy at the core if you must, but know how to outdo the nice-guy at his own games. Nice guys don't finish last, boring guys do.

Be honest with the girls (and people) you meet. It may not win you fans if your honesty isn't their cup of tea, but act with a little cooth and don't boast your depravity and you will be admired as long as you're reasonable and show balance.

Don't let the women fool you. What they "say they want" and what they "know they like" can seem to be conflicting, but find where it overlaps, because it probably does. No girl wants 100% Bad/Nice guy just like no guy wants a girl who is hypocritical in their actions despite what they tell you is their philosophy.

Respect is a two-way street. Blindly giving it without always receiving it first is a necessary part of the game when getting to know the opposite sex. Once you've earned it though, not getting it in return can collapse everything.

Sometimes the hottest girls don't even realize it of themselves. Sometimes those who are constantly trying to convince society that it's them, are the scariest to be around. Go after who you like even if they seem "out of your league"; you'll surprise yourself.

Yes. Be as rich as you can. There is no downside.

Nothing is as guaranteed in life to deteriorate, as is our personal beauty. Don't make it too much of a focus and if it's the only personal compliment (however tactful) that you can ever bring yourself to pay somebody, your material is weak.

Anything that you're willing to defend of yourself, be willing to defend of somebody else. Don't assume that you have to at every perceived moment, but let your preparation inspire confidence in others and act when it's clear that it's necessary.

Being creepy is not necessarily a bad thing if you can dilute it with normalcy. Being phony however is never excusable. I'll take a genuine creep any day over a fraudulent hero.

This... this, this, this, this, this!

The biggest mistake men and women make is trying to be somebody they're not in order to impress and "win" a relationship. Eventually the real you will come out, and when it does, your act will betray you, your partner, and jeopardize the relationship with it. Be yourself, and be honest.

[madvlad]

Be a bad-boy at the core if you must, but know how to outdo the nice-guy at his own games. Nice guys don't finish last, boring guys do.

Be honest with the girls (and people) you meet. It may not win you fans if your honesty isn't their cup of tea, but act with a little cooth and don't boast your depravity and you will be admired as long as you're reasonable and show balance.

Don't let the women fool you. What they "say they want" and what they "know they like" can seem to be conflicting, but find where it overlaps, because it probably does. No girl wants 100% Bad/Nice guy just like no guy wants a girl who is hypocritical in their actions despite what they tell you is their philosophy.

Respect is a two-way street. Blindly giving it without always receiving it first is a necessary part of the game when getting to know the opposite sex. Once you've earned it though, not getting it in return can collapse everything.

Sometimes the hottest girls don't even realize it of themselves. Sometimes those who are constantly trying to convince society that it's them, are the scariest to be around. Go after who you like even if they seem "out of your league"; you'll surprise yourself.

Yes. Be as rich as you can. There is no downside.

Nothing is as guaranteed in life to deteriorate, as is our personal beauty. Don't make it too much of a focus and if it's the only personal compliment (however tactful) that you can ever bring yourself to pay somebody, your material is weak.

Anything that you're willing to defend of yourself, be willing to defend of somebody else. Don't assume that you have to at every perceived moment, but let your preparation inspire confidence in others and act when it's clear that it's necessary.

Being creepy is not necessarily a bad thing if you can dilute it with normalcy. Being phony however is never excusable. I'll take a genuine creep any day over a fraudulent hero.

:bow:

[#1Townie]

Be a bad-boy at the core if you must, but know how to outdo the nice-guy at his own games. Nice guys don't finish last, boring guys do.

Be honest with the girls (and people) you meet. It may not win you fans if your honesty isn't their cup of tea, but act with a little cooth and don't boast your depravity and you will be admired as long as you're reasonable and show balance.

Don't let the women fool you. What they "say they want" and what they "know they like" can seem to be conflicting, but find where it overlaps, because it probably does. No girl wants 100% Bad/Nice guy just like no guy wants a girl who is hypocritical in their actions despite what they tell you is their philosophy.

Respect is a two-way street. Blindly giving it without always receiving it first is a necessary part of the game when getting to know the opposite sex. Once you've earned it though, not getting it in return can collapse everything.

Sometimes the hottest girls don't even realize it of themselves. Sometimes those who are constantly trying to convince society that it's them, are the scariest to be around. Go after who you like even if they seem "out of your league"; you'll surprise yourself.

Yes. Be as rich as you can. There is no downside.

Nothing is as guaranteed in life to deteriorate, as is our personal beauty. Don't make it too much of a focus and if it's the only personal compliment (however tactful) that you can ever bring yourself to pay somebody, your material is weak.

Anything that you're willing to defend of yourself, be willing to defend of somebody else. Don't assume that you have to at every perceived moment, but let your preparation inspire confidence in others and act when it's clear that it's necessary.

Being creepy is not necessarily a bad thing if you can dilute it with normalcy. Being phony however is never excusable. I'll take a genuine creep any day over a fraudulent hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[The Black Knight]

Very well said Barn :up:


and Townie what the hell did I just watch Lol!!! :lol:

[#1Townie]

Very well said Barn :up:


and Townie what the hell did I just watch Lol!!! :lol:


That shits the shit right dur.

[rforsythe]

I have no idea where this thread is going, it started out as "ewww, creepy bikers should stop talking about my boobies already" to dating advice from Barn. But I am impressed, 10 days and 7 pages and not a single invocation of Godwin's law yet!

[UglyDogRacing]

http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Godwins_Law.jpg

[~Barn~]

http://slfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/illinois-nazis.jpg

[UglyDogRacing]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4672086016/h96115D6E/

[bornwildnfree]

Go Barn! He said it wayyy better than I was able to. I really should have quoted the person I was replying to with my gentleman and Nice Guy comment. Most guys are not Nice Guys(TM). Most guys are good guys and really awesome to be around. However, if you find yourself always in the friend zone because your a Nice Guy, you're doing it wrong. Be a good guy, not a Nice Guy. Here's an article that explains the difference between the two: http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-12-10/dating-donts-the-difference-between-nice-guys-and-guys-who-are-nice/

And madvlad, you're not a Nice Guy, but a good guy and fun to ride with.

To all I apologize for my inadvertant sweeping generalization. I was trying to say what Barn put so eloquently.

[rifleshooter]

Unfortunately... Whether you like it or not. You're still in a men dominated sport, hobby, whatever you wanna call it. And even in todays society you're still just a "chick" to a lot of guys out there! With that being said, it still doesn't give guys the right to disrespect ya!

You guys all know I'm like 5000 years older than you.

The guys in my generation were all expected to act like teen-aged punks, and many did not get over it into middle-age.

I'm married and hopefully NOT too creepy - but when I was younger... being creepy was how you did it. Most of you folks weren't alive or aware back then (I'm talking the '70s and '80s). Times have changed and anachronistic old buzzards haven't.

I hope I'm not one of them.I trust you will let me know if I ever do anything uncool. I can take a hint.

[Native]

ಠ_ಠ (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/%E0%B2%A0_%E0%B2%A0-look-of-disapproval)

[UglyDogRacing]

http://acowintheocean.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/hi-can-i-come-in-hi-can-i-come-in-creepy-guy-hairless-demotivational-poster-12422535141.jpg

[madvlad]

Go Barn! He said it wayyy better than I was able to. I really should have quoted the person I was replying to with my gentleman and Nice Guy comment. Most guys are not Nice Guys(TM). Most guys are good guys and really awesome to be around. However, if you find yourself always in the friend zone because your a Nice Guy, you're doing it wrong. Be a good guy, not a Nice Guy. Here's an article that explains the difference between the two: http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-12-10/dating-donts-the-difference-between-nice-guys-and-guys-who-are-nice/

And madvlad, you're not a Nice Guy, but a good guy and fun to ride with.

To all I apologize for my inadvertant sweeping generalization. I was trying to say what Barn put so eloquently.

Read it wrong, my apologies.