UFC Champ Jon Jones tests positive for cocaine

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LAS VEGAS -- UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2335639/jon-jones) tested positive for traces of cocaine prior to his eighth title defense last weekend in Las Vegas, according to the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
NSAC executive director Bob Bennett confirmed to ESPN.com on Tuesday that Jones, 27, tested positive for benzoylecgonine, a metabolite of cocaine. Jones informed the NSAC that he had admitted himself into a drug treatment center.


The urine test sample was collected on Dec. 4 and analyzed by a WADA-approved lab in Salt Lake City. According to a lab report, results of the test were issued on Dec. 23. The test is considered an out-of-competition test, however, and according to WADA's banned substances list, benzoylecgonine is only banned in-competition.
Since the test is considered out-of-competition, the result of Jones' fight against Daniel Cormier (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2509290/daniel-cormier) on Jan. 3 will stand.

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/12129597/ufc-light-heavyweight-champion-jon-jones-enters-drug-treatment-facility

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Been hearing the rumors for a long time that Jon Jones has a major Cocaine problem and he was finally caught. The funny thing is it appears as if this guy won't even get in trouble for it because it was considered out of competition. Then they commend the guy for going to rehab....ummm...he was caught and that is why he went. Would have been different if he manned up and came out and went himself, but they caught him so of course he is going to try to save his image by going to rehab.

What bothers me the most is guys get caught for Marijuana and get fired or suspended from UFC, but Cocaine is being treated like it is not a performance enhancing drug and no penalties for that. If you look at the time it takes Cocaine to leave the body compared to Marijuana then it is very clear that it is not fair (Cocaine is out of system in days where Marijuana takes months). Also appears as if UFC knew about this prior to his fight on Saturday and allowed him to compete still. Just makes me wonder how much of this is because it is their money maker Jon Jones and if it would have been different if a lower level fighter was caught.

[#1Townie]

How does cocaine improve performance? What fighter lost their job to pot?

Honestly man cocaine is whatever. Its not a steroid. Why does weed always have to be brought in? What does one have to do with the other?

And no it doesn't take months for weed to leave the system. It depends in your metabolism and how much you use. I passed a hair test two weeks after the last time I smoked. Because I don't get high every fucking day.

But honestly who cares what people use to enjoy their lives. Its their life. You want to be high 24/7 enjoy. Your life. Your choices.

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How does cocaine improve performance? What fighter lost their job to pot?

Honestly man cocaine is whatever. Its not a steroid. Why does weed always have to be brought in? What does one have to do with the other?

And no it doesn't take months for weed to leave the system. It depends in your metabolism and how much you use. I passed a hair test two weeks after the last time I smoked. Because I don't get high every fucking day.

But honestly who cares what people use to enjoy their lives. Its their life. You want to be high 24/7 enjoy. Your life. Your choices.
The question is why should some drugs be allowed and not others then? Or why some fighters are penalized and others are not. Is pot a performance enhancing drug too...because that is why it is banned...yet cocaine is not; makes no sense. In my opinion Cocaine is way worse than pot, but it is not being treated that way.

I could care less what people do in their private lives, but when you are a pro athlete you have rules to follow.

Nick Diaz has been suspended many times for Marijuana and he lives in CA and has a medical prescription for it. There have been many fighters; boxers and MMA

Nick Diaz
http://www.mmaweekly.com/nick-diaz-suspended-for-one-year-following-positive-test-for-marijuana

Matt Riddle
http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/26/4034644/matt-riddle-released-from-ufc-following-second-failed-marijuana-drug

Pat Healy
http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/5/14/4332230/healy-has-costly-positive-test-for-marijuana


Julio Cesar Chavez Jr (Same Nevada Gaming Commission)
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8999557/julio-cesar-chavez-jr-suspended-nine-months-fined-900000-nevada-state-athletic-commission-failed-drug-test

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Townie, also understand that Jon Jones has been a self proclaimed “Christian role model” for years, but his actions speak much different. He went on an interview saying that UFC sponsored him because they know he would never mess up and get like a DUI…well a few months later he slammed a telephone poll in his car while drunk. He also is a religious man…yet has three kids (oldest is 6) from a women and has not married her; by the way when he hit that telephone poll he had two girls with him at 3am (neither were his fiancé). In interviews he has even stated that he is a “snitch” and will tell on anyone he sees with Marijuana; yet he is a drug addict himself. Recently he did not know the sound was on before an interview and you can hear him making death threats to Daniel Cormier and when camera rolled he totally changed into the fake nice guy he acts like. So basically I believe his fakeness is what is coming out and he was once one of the most liked UFC champs and now has turned into one of the most hated. I’ve just been saying for years this guy is fake!

Don't just take my word for it though.
From Dan Henderson: http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/5/7495261/dan-henderson-jon-jones-i-dont-have-a-whole-lot-of-respect
From Daniel Cormier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNKE_17DkZU
From Rashad Evans: http://www.mmamania.com/2012/2/19/2811049/ufc-145-rashad-evans-jon-jones-fight-video-fake-fraud-rivalry-mma


Great fighter though….one of the greatest!


What can I say, I hate fake people :dunno: :lol:

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Townie, also understand that Jon Jones has been a self proclaimed “Christian role model” for years, but his actions speak much different. He went on an interview saying that UFC sponsored him because they know he would never mess up and get like a DUI…well a few months later he slammed a telephone poll in his car while drunk. He also is a religious man…yet has three kids (oldest is 6) from a women and has not married her; by the way when he hit that telephone poll he had two girls with him at 3am (neither were his fiancé). In interviews he has even stated that he is a “snitch” and will tell on anyone he sees with Marijuana; yet he is a drug addict himself. Recently he did not know the sound was on before an interview and you can hear him making death threats to Daniel Cormier and when camera rolled he totally changed into the fake nice guy he acts like. So basically I believe his fakeness is what is coming out and he was once one of the most liked UFC champs and now has turned into one of the most hated. I’ve just been saying for years this guy is fake!

Don't just take my word for it though.
From Dan Henderson: http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/5/7495261/dan-henderson-jon-jones-i-dont-have-a-whole-lot-of-respect
From Daniel Cormier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNKE_17DkZU
From Rashad Evans: http://www.mmamania.com/2012/2/19/2811049/ufc-145-rashad-evans-jon-jones-fight-video-fake-fraud-rivalry-mma


Great fighter though….one of the greatest!


What can I say, I hate fake people :dunno: :lol:

Sports role models in todays world?!?!?!

http://www.punjabigraphics.com/images/17/role-models.jpg

[GMR]

And no it doesn't take months for weed to leave the system. It depends in your metabolism and how much you use. I passed a hair test two weeks after the last time I smoked. Because I don't get high every fucking day.

How often did you smoke before those two weeks? I heard that if it's like a one-time thing/binge smoke period, it can take like 3 weeks to be detected in a hair test so if you usually don't smoke but smoke a bunch right before a hair test, you can pass. If you were also smoking before that 2-3 weeks though then that is intriguing. There's a company I want to work for but they hair test and I'm always nervous about that

[~Barn~]

I've never once heard Jon Jones proclaim himself to be a role model. He has a tremendous self confidence (deservedly so) in his skills, his training, and his fighting ability. If anything, he has openly admitted that he is susceptible to flaw and failure just like anybody else is, and that is why he trains so hard to prevent this.

People often put others on a pedestal because of what they are able to accomplish. Role model, mentor, whatever.... I never recall Jon Jones encouraging people to look up to him, or to admire him or to try and emulate him. His distractors like to say that he says one thing, but then lives a life of another, and that simply is not true. All Jones has ever proclaimed is that he is the baddest man on the planet at the Light HW division, and that he believes in himself, he believes in his preparation, and that he is willing fight anybody and make them look like they don't belong. He has never been wrong.

I hope he is able to get his partying under control though. It would be a shame to not be able to see him continue to fight and defend his title.

[Ezzzzy1]

Bunch of mumble jumble on the Joe Rogan Show. Actually some funny stuff in there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axUZfGIOMu8

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I've never once heard Jon Jones proclaim himself to be a role model. He has a tremendous self confidence (deservedly so) in his skills, his training, and his fighting ability. If anything, he has openly admitted that he is susceptible to flaw and failure just like anybody else is, and that is why he trains so hard to prevent this.

People often put others on a pedestal because of what they are able to accomplish. Role model, mentor, whatever.... I never recall Jon Jones encouraging people to look up to him, or to admire him or to try and emulate him. His distractors like to say that he says one thing, but then lives a life of another, and that simply is not true. All Jones has ever proclaimed is that he is the baddest man on the planet at the Light HW division, and that he believes in himself, he believes in his preparation, and that he is willing fight anybody and make them look like they don't belong. He has never been wrong.

I hope he is able to get his partying under control though. It would be a shame to not be able to see him continue to fight and defend his title. Admitted....negative...he was caught! This is PR going to rehab and not like he decided to do it out of the blue.

“We came up with a strategy to keep it clean and be sponsored by the UFC itself. I’m glad the UFC wanted to work with me as well, and I think that they trust that I’ll never make them look bad. You never have to worry about me with a DWI (driving while under the influence) or doing something crazy,” Jones explained. http://www.mmaweekly.com/jon-jones-explains-ufc-sponsorship-ahead-of-showdown-with-rashad-evans

“I’ve always been a person who tries to do the right thing in life, for the most part,” said Jones. “I’m no angel, but I was always the kid who snitched on the kids who had pot. I don’t want to offend the pot smokers out there, but I was kind of just a snitch. I was just down for people doing the right thing. My parents kind of raised me to be a good guy. I’ve always been down for the good side, I guess.” Jon Jones

Here he is excepting a award for a "positive role model"
http://www.bjpenn.com/ufc-champ-jon-jones-honored-as-positive-role-model1/

Can't forget his religious tattoos and quotes:
http://mmaquotes.blogspot.jp/2014/03/jon-jones-christian-religion-bible.html


Anyways no point in arguing with you as you are free to have your own opinion, but seems like you are now turning into the minority that supports him because others have seen through him.

Again, a great fighter though!

This video has the journalist explaining it (watch/listen to video) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-jon-jones-was-allowed-to-fight-at-ufc-182-after-positive-drug-test-075021247-mma.html


Bunch of mumble jumble on the Joe Rogan Show. Actually some funny stuff in there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axUZfGIOMu8
Thanks EJ, have not heard that one yet...will listen now

[~Barn~]

Haters gonna hate. :lol:

Truth is, what we do at home and what we do "in the office" is never as intertwined as it is for celebrities. People (and apparently you Nate) think that Jon Jones wants us to believe that he is perfect and has never done or will never do any wrong, and that is quite simply never an impression or "vibe" of him that I've picked up on. Ever since he was an up and coming fighter, he has always acknowledge a need and a desire to keep working, keep training, keep trying to improve, to push to stay ahead... I mean are we simply supposed to forget that he is human because he's a world champion and a celeb.??

Clearly - like I said before - a lot of people must have put Jon Jones on some artificial pedestal that I don't understand because that standard he seems to be held to, just doesn't make sense to me. The guy works his ass off to train and learn and practice and improve to maintain his stranglehold that he has right now on his title. It's laughable to me how easily that is dismissed or deflected or just simply ignored because his personal life has had some backwards steps, like most all of us have had.

If you've ever bothered to set aside personal dislike for the man or whatever prejudices you have, you'll know that he is very much aware of not only his potential, but also of the chance that it might not be fulfilled, if he doesn't make sure to maintain it. That is not a proclamation of being perfect. That is not a statement of godliness. That is not declaration of infallibility. What it is, is exactly the opposite... it's an understanding that complaisance and failure to focus can derail ANY OF US. Even the most talented, even the hardest working, even the most gifted.

People will call out him for being fake for as long as he is in the limelight. But I will tell you this and please believe it... I have never once known or witnessed somebody who is "fake" who has achieved the pinnacle of anything. Not sport, not business, not personal success. Sure you can fake your way into having friends, you can fake your way into gaining admiration, you can even fake your way into a lucrative career. Jon Jones however has achieved the absolute pinnacle of what he does. Read it again. The summit. THERE IS NOBODY BETTER THAN HIM.

I dunno... maybe there is some subconscious human desire that I can't relate to, that wishes to see those as the peak, come down tumbling. All I know is if this whole "faking" thing is working so well for him, maybe the others who he has bested should start trying it, because whatever they're doing that's so praise-worthy and moral sure as fuck isn't working. :lol:

I'm not saying I'm proud of what JBJ has done, but he'll pay the price. He'll catch heat and catch hate and lose money over it, maybe even lose some friends and fans.... But really it's just another stumbling block. Anybody who has worked hard to earn something can probably relate to setbacks. People who want to just nitpick and pin a label on him because he can't maintain the perfection and the flawless image that they put upon him, just come across to me as having a chip on their shoulder. So quick to throw those stones, but would never dare look into that mirror themselves. :dunno:

[~Barn~]

Oh... and just to add one last thing. I really don't give much credence or "implied value" to somebody who has claims of a faith, based on religion. Those who know me well and have talked to me about it, probably know my general feelings on religion. Needless to say I don't exactly have a monumental "Oh wow! Really!? You believe in a deity, you must be an amazing person! Is that tattoo real? You must live your life perfectly" reaction, like some of you seem to have.

I mean really, if we're going to start incorporating into our judgment of people, what and how they believe about creation and how they decorate their bodies, that's kinda sad. Smells a bit of desperation to prove a point, if you ask me.

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Haters gonna hate. :lol:

Truth is, what we do at home and what we do "in the office" is never as intertwined as it is for celebrities. People (and apparently you Nate) think that Jon Jones wants us to believe that he is perfect and has never done or will never do any wrong, and that is quite simply never an impression or "vibe" of him that I've picked up on. Ever since he was an up and coming fighter, he has always acknowledge a need and a desire to keep working, keep training, keep trying to improve, to push to stay ahead... I mean are we simply supposed to forget that he is human because he's a world champion and a celeb.??

Clearly - like I said before - a lot of people must have put Jon Jones on some artificial pedestal that I don't understand because that standard he seems to be held to, just doesn't make sense to me. The guy works his ass off to train and learn and practice and improve to maintain his stranglehold that he has right now on his title. It's laughable to me how easily that is dismissed or deflected or just simply ignored because his personal life has had some backwards steps, like most all of us have had.

If you've ever bothered to set aside personal dislike for the man or whatever prejudices you have, you'll know that he is very much aware of not only his potential, but also of the chance that it might not be fulfilled, if he doesn't make sure to maintain it. That is not a proclamation of being perfect. That is not a statement of godliness. That is not declaration of infallibility. What it is, is exactly the opposite... it's an understanding that complaisance and failure to focus can derail ANY OF US. Even the most talented, even the hardest working, even the most gifted.

People will call out him for being fake for as long as he is in the limelight. But I will tell you this and please believe it... I have never once known or witnessed somebody who is "fake" who has achieved the pinnacle of anything. Not sport, not business, not personal success. Sure you can fake your way into having friends, you can fake your way into gaining admiration, you can even fake your way into a lucrative career. Jon Jones however has achieved the absolute pinnacle of what he does. Read it again. The summit. THERE IS NOBODY BETTER THAN HIM.

I dunno... maybe there is some subconscious human desire that I can't relate to, that wishes to see those as the peak, come down tumbling. All I know is if this whole "faking" thing is working so well for him, maybe the others who he has bested should start trying it, because whatever they're doing that's so praise-worthy and moral sure as fuck isn't working. :lol:

I'm not saying I'm proud of what JBJ has done, but he'll pay the price. He'll catch heat and catch hate and lose money over it, maybe even lose some friends and fans.... But really it's just another stumbling block. Anybody who has worked hard to earn something can probably relate to setbacks. People who want to just nitpick and pin a label on him because he can't maintain the perfection and the flawless image that they put upon him, just come across to me as having a chip on their shoulder. So quick to throw those stones, but would never dare look into that mirror themselves. :dunno: Hate? How is it hate when the facts are facts!

Like I said no point in arguing with you Barn as you are welcome to your opinion, but the fact is he keeps messing up and people are seeing that; I pointed out facts with links to back me up. He went from one the most loved champ to one of the most hated….I know you hear the booes he gets now…you watch the weigh ins…booed by most. So yeah people get what they sow and it was only a matter of time till it came down on him. Sure he may be ok financially, but his “good guy” image is gone for most of us and now he has a cocaine problem to deal with!

Naive people going to stay naïve :lol:

[~Barn~]

Haha... This is undoubtedly why we're not the same kinda friends like we used to be, Nate. It's obvious you only relate to and appreciate people who never mess up. I guess I should be kinda jealous. =)

[The Black Knight]

How often did you smoke before those two weeks? I heard that if it's like a one-time thing/binge smoke period, it can take like 3 weeks to be detected in a hair test so if you usually don't smoke but smoke a bunch right before a hair test, you can pass. If you were also smoking before that 2-3 weeks though then that is intriguing. There's a company I want to work for but they hair test and I'm always nervous about that

Well stop burning the hippy lettuce, then you can go work for that company. Can't have your cake and eat it too and FWIW I love the fact that even though this state made this sh*t legal, employers still have the right to nail you for it. Which is the way it should be, the employer makes the ultimate decision. "Yeah it's legal to smoke, but if you want to work for us you have to make a choice." You either eat and pay bills or be baked off your ass your whole life. Pretty simple choice if you ask me...

[~Barn~]

Just to recap...

False good-guy image and fake persona = The guy who within seconds of the fight bell, does something derogatory to his opponent in the heat of battle (after getting swung at after the bell by the way), then mere moments later, responds the fact that he acted out, apologizes to those who may have viewed it as classless, and then explains quite simply "I don't like the guy and that's why I did it."

Yeah. That kind of simple self-reflection, internal honesty, and articulate acknowledgement to the masses (along with an apology of his misgiving) all within a few seconds of an emotionally charged environment and a world championship fist-fight, sounds to me like exactly the kind of person who is fake and isn't honest with the world or himself. Yeah. That sounds about right. :roll:

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Haha... This is undoubtedly why we're not the same kinda friends like we used to be, Nate. It's obvious you only relate to and appreciate people who never mess up. I guess I should be kinda jealous. =) Yup, you and I have never agreed on what is right and wrong and a huge difference there between us. This just kind of reminds me why we went our separate ways.

I am for sure no saint either and have never claimed to be one and have quite a few friends that have messed up that I still love. Hell one of my good friends just got out of prison!

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Funny Jon Jones pics are already starting.

*disclaimer: I did not make these :D

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[#1Townie]

Screwing up? He didn't hurt anyone. Omg he got a DUI. Welcome to a large part of society. Omg he does coke.
Who cares.

Diaz never lost his job. Plus he was a prick. If you want to piss off the people paying you its probably a good idea to not give them a reason stop paying you.

Diaz is a prick. Not your best example.

And role model? Come on. Anyone who allows their children to look at cage fighters as a role model should be slapt upside their heads.

Same goes for any sport. They play a game. That's it. Why would you let your kid idolize that?

But really man I'm not sure why this has you so hot. He's a rich fighter. He does what he does well. Who cares.
You do understand that coke and money go hand in hand right?

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Screwing up? He didn't hurt anyone. Omg he got a DUI. Welcome to a large part of society. Omg he does coke.
Who cares.

Diaz never lost his job. Plus he was a prick. If you want to piss off the people paying you its probably a good idea to not give them a reason stop paying you.

Diaz is a prick. Not your best example.

And role model? Come on. Anyone who allows their children to look at cage fighters as a role model should be slapt upside their heads.

Same goes for any sport. They play a game. That's it. Why would you let your kid idolize that?

But really man I'm not sure why this has you so hot. He's a rich fighter. He does what he does well. Who cares.
You do understand that coke and money go hand in hand right? Don't blame me, just google his name and see what comes up today...big news....just reporting it!

[#1Townie]

How often did you smoke before those two weeks? I heard that if it's like a one-time thing/binge smoke period, it can take like 3 weeks to be detected in a hair test so if you usually don't smoke but smoke a bunch right before a hair test, you can pass. If you were also smoking before that 2-3 weeks though then that is intriguing. There's a company I want to work for but they hair test and I'm always nervous about that


I don't do anything "often". Its called keep it special. That time I smoked because I was moving. The last time was when a friend killed himself.

I do enjoy life. I also have a job that does random hair/UA. Even random alcohol tests. It doesn't mean I can't be a responsible adult and still enjoy life.

Its called being modest. That's something pot smokers haven't figured out. Its also something that celebs forget and end up having to go to rehab.

But to be honest I have never really enjoyed pot. But the things I do enjoy I can promise you I have done in the last year and will still do. When the time is right.

[#1Townie]

Don't blame me, just google his name and see what comes up today...big news....just reporting it!

I am not blaming anyone. You are posting with emotion. That is coming off very clear.

You are clearly upset that this guy isn't losing his title and that more isn't being done about it. The problem with that is there is a lot of people who do coke. It just isn't as open as pot.

If you think he's even close to the only guy who does this in the ufc you will be very disappointed. Its a rich mans drug and it is used VERY often.

[bulldog]

I am not blaming anyone. You are posting with emotion. That is coming off very clear.

You are clearly upset that this guy isn't losing his title and that more isn't being done about it. The problem with that is there is a lot of people who do coke. It just isn't as open as pot.

If you think he's even close to the only guy who does this in the ufc you will be very disappointed. Its a rich mans drug and it is used VERY often.
I admitted I hate fake people and I do feel he is one...again my opinion on him. I've always hated fake people since I was young and always will; I'd rather someone hate me and tell me it then to act nice and stab me in the back! If Jones did cocaine and parties like he actually does and didn't act like he didn't then I would be ok....he'd actually be kind of cool. Rampage is one of my favorite fighters and he has been in trouble many times.....difference is Rampage is Rampage and doesn't try to act like something else. Chuck Lidell is a womanizer and even says so in his book...yet I love Chuck but he ain't out there saying he is family man and messing aorund....he is crazy Chuck!


Townie you know I am not one to hide my opinion or say thing so people like me so not sure why this shocks you so much.

I guess everyone could go talk about a mileage thread...that has been done like 10 times on this club. Trying to add something to discuss unless you want it boring CSC with 10 posts a day like it has been :dunno: Biggest news of day!

[Jmetz]

http://youtu.be/5DmYLrxR0Y8

[bulldog]

I will just leave this here then....again just reporting it. Click it or not :lol:

Nevada deputy attorney general reviewing whether or not Jon Jones lied at hearing (http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/7/7509389/nevada-deputy-attorney-general-reviewing-whether-or-not-jon-jones)

[~Barn~]

Others might argue that the "biggest news of the day" might be all of the people who were killed in that office massacre in Paris. Or that a possibly inhabitable planet may have been discovered by scientists. That or a celebrity athlete that people done like, got busted using drugs. Definitely one of those three, depending on your appreciation for relevant news.

[bulldog]

Others might argue that the "biggest news of the day" might be all of the people who were killed in that office massacre in Paris. Or that a possibly inhabitable planet may have been discovered by scientists. That or a celebrity athlete that people done like, got busted using drugs. Definitely one of those three, depending on your appreciation for relevant news. You made a post of that??? Where????? Site is boring and we need more people making topics instead of complaining about other people's topics!

[~Barn~]

When people start getting their news from CSC threads I make, we will have officially hit rock bottom. :lol:

[bulldog]

When people start getting their news from CSC thread I make, we will have officially hit rock bottom. :lol: That is how forums work :dunno:

And actually forums are to discuss issue on the news! (in off topic of course)


P.S. Nobody forces you to keep coming back to this thread then....yet you keep coming back :lol:

[#1Townie]

Well to be on point he is posting keeping the thread going. Lol.

And yeah its been dead around here for a while.

Barn I still hate Obama.

[#1Townie]

I will just leave this here then....again just reporting it. Click it or not :lol:

Nevada deputy attorney general reviewing whether or not Jon Jones lied at hearing (http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/7/7509389/nevada-deputy-attorney-general-reviewing-whether-or-not-jon-jones)


Well nothing happened to Clinton or any other politician that did the same. Lol

[The Black Knight]

Ahem... Double post ^^^^^^

[Jmetz]

http://youtu.be/z5OXON8vIaA

[#1Townie]

Ahem... Double post ^^^^^^


Yeah?

[#1Townie]

Ahem... Double post ^^^^^^

And?

[#1Townie]

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[The Black Knight]

Haha!! I know you like to roll 6 posts deep. :up:

[#1Townie]

Safety in numbers.

[bulldog]

More news on Jones on his random drug test (*again just reporting the news for discussion as it comes up)

Jon Jones' out of competition drug tests all show abnormal hormone levels (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/7/7510649/jon-jones-out-of-competition-drug-tests-all-show-abnormal-hormone)
The Nevada athletic commission tested Jon Jones on three separate occasions during December 2014. Two of these tests, both administered on December 4th, showed the presence of cocaine metabolites. What has received less discussion is that all three tests show abnormal levels of testosterone and/or epitestosterone.
All tests show his testosterone level being significantly below the normal margin. His T:E levels of .35 .29 and .19 raise significant flags.

On what appears to be his first test of December 4th, Jones testosterone levels measured at 59ng/dL. His epitestosterone levels measured at 170ng/dL. The normal range for epitestosterone is usually similar to that of testosterone.

[#1Townie]

Well it is what it is. When you do this kind of job you have to sell yourself. Most people won't sell themselves as who they actually are because... Well you can never actually reach the standards of the public.

As you have called him fake I just see another celebrity doing what they had to do to make the big bucks.

I would argue that the matt Hughes kind if person makes more than the rampage. Yes some fighters have always left things out in the open to a degree. But let's be honest man they can't sell that as well as this perfect person idea.

That's what you get with a celebrity. An idea. These things are set the way so you will fall in love with them. Buy what they tell you to buy. Spend money on watching them fight. Buy their jursey. Watch their movies/events.

Its just marketing yourself to make as much as possible. You and I know both know that if we were honest with every job interview down to the last thing we would never get a job.

Well its not that far off for a celebrity or athlete. They have to market a image to make them look purchasable.

So really I'm not sure why we do this but maybe we have to see them as people we could never be. Hold that hope in our heads that maybe the world isn't shit.

As for your comments about being real. I will just say charlie sheen. No one is more open about their life and how they live it than him. Now look at how society looks at him. He's still very successful but let's face it you won't see anyone paying tons of money to him to sell a product. Lol

[bulldog]

Well it is what it is. When you do this kind of job you have to sell yourself. Most people won't sell themselves as who they actually are because... Well you can never actually reach the standards of the public.

As you have called him fake I just see another celebrity doing what they had to do to make the big bucks.

I would argue that the matt Hughes kind if person makes more than the rampage. Yes some fighters have always left things out in the open to a degree. But let's be honest man they can't sell that as well as this perfect person idea.

That's what you get with a celebrity. An idea. These things are set the way so you will fall in love with them. Buy what they tell you to buy. Spend money on watching them fight. Buy their jursey. Watch their movies/events.

Its just marketing yourself to make as much as possible. You and I know both know that if we were honest with every job interview down to the last thing we would never get a job.

Well its not that far off for a celebrity or athlete. They have to market a image to make them look purchasable.

So really I'm not sure why we do this but maybe we have to see them as people we could never be. Hold that hope in our heads that maybe the world isn't shit.

As for your comments about being real. I will just say charlie sheen. No one is more open about their life and how they live it than him. Now look at how society looks at him. He's still very successful but let's face it you won't see anyone paying tons of money to him to sell a product. Lol I guess to me a celebrity athlete is a bit different since they are actually out there able to do harm to another person. If Jones testosterone levels are elevated is it really fair to allow a athlete to go out with the edge and hit someone in the face...clearly when it is cheating. Same with football, should cheating be allowed when it can come at the cost of the person being hit. Steroids do make this much a difference in training, strength, stamina, cardio, etc so is it fair to the guys that have to fight a roided out fighter....or one on coke? Go look at the Pride fights where everything was legal and you will see crazy fights with guys like Wanderlei Silva jacked on coke and roids; it has been admitted and documented in the Pride days....they did fight on cocaine frequently and were monsters in the ring.

I get you though and this aread there will always be cheaters and stuff like this....just sad when we can't have a clean sport anymore and just makes the next guy have to cheat if he wants to be a competitor

And if anything this is going to hurt Jones with sponsorship and fans; it already has pretty bab...so far Reebok is sticking with him, but if he loses his title that could all change.


P.S. The fakeness comment from me comes because he does not preach what he says. See post #10 on this; put down his quotes he has put out which conflicts with his actions.
F*ck it here they are:

“We came up with a strategy to keep it clean and be sponsored by the UFC itself. I’m glad the UFC wanted to work with me as well, and I think that they trust that I’ll never make them look bad. You never have to worry about me with a DWI (driving while under the influence) or doing something crazy,” Jones explained. http://www.mmaweekly.com/jon-jones-e...h-rashad-evans (http://www.mmaweekly.com/jon-jones-explains-ufc-sponsorship-ahead-of-showdown-with-rashad-evans)

“I’ve always been a person who tries to do the right thing in life, for the most part,” said Jones. “I’m no angel, but I was always the kid who snitched on the kids who had pot. I don’t want to offend the pot smokers out there, but I was kind of just a snitch. I was just down for people doing the right thing. My parents kind of raised me to be a good guy. I’ve always been down for the good side, I guess.” Jon Jones

[j0ker]

Well stop burning the hippy lettuce, then you can go work for that company. Can't have your cake and eat it too and FWIW I love the fact that even though this state made this sh*t legal, employers still have the right to nail you for it. Which is the way it should be, the employer makes the ultimate decision. "Yeah it's legal to smoke, but if you want to work for us you have to make a choice." You either eat and pay bills or be baked off your ass your whole life. Pretty simple choice if you ask me...

Statements like this about pot are inane. MJ stays with the body in fat cells and in the blood of the hair follicle. If you smoke weed 1 time every 2 weeks you will fail a hair, urine and blood sample for THC. You can do acid, cocaine, meth, shrooms, whiskey and a shit load of other horrible drugs daily and then stop 2 days before your test, and test clean. Just because some people smoke pot does not mean they are not successful and productive in their daily lives. I would argue that alcohol has so many worse side effects, issues and social problems than smoking weed. Yet, you don't see anyone complaining when you hear about them brewing their own beer. Weed is almost harmless if you are not driving vehicles or handling weapons.

[bulldog]

Statements like this about pot are inane. MJ stays with the body in fat cells and in the blood of the hair follicle. If you smoke weed 1 time every 2 weeks you will fail a hair, urine and blood sample for THC. You can do acid, cocaine, meth, shrooms, whiskey and a shit load of other horrible drugs daily and then stop 2 days before your test, and test clean. Just because some people smoke pot does not mean they are not successful and productive in their daily lives. I would argue that alcohol has so many worse side effects, issues and social problems than smoking weed. Yet, you don't see anyone complaining when you hear about them brewing their own beer. Weed is almost harmless if you are not driving vehicles or handling weapons. +1 :up:

It is also why I feel it is not so fair to compare weed to cocaine in sports. Weed can be smoked and can stay in you a long time, yet cocaine is out in about 48 hours so if you have it in system that means you did it recently.

I did want to add that even though I am a supporter of weed, I do not condone fighters using it. Not because it is performance enhancing, but just the simple fact that rules are rules. You get to the pros and you want to throw it all away over weed…so dumb to me.

[birchyboy]

All this talk of weed and cocaine makes me want to have another party at the Ritz downtown.

[bulldog]

All this talk of weed and cocaine makes me want to have another party at the Ritz downtown. Damn, how have I been missing your parties! I am so there :lol:

[The Black Knight]

Statements like this about pot are inane. MJ stays with the body in fat cells and in the blood of the hair follicle. If you smoke weed 1 time every 2 weeks you will fail a hair, urine and blood sample for THC. You can do acid, cocaine, meth, shrooms, whiskey and a shit load of other horrible drugs daily and then stop 2 days before your test, and test clean. Just because some people smoke pot does not mean they are not successful and productive in their daily lives. I would argue that alcohol has so many worse side effects, issues and social problems than smoking weed. Yet, you don't see anyone complaining when you hear about them brewing their own beer. Weed is almost harmless if you are not driving vehicles or handling weapons.

Those are my beliefs of pot. To me it's a drug and I'll never come off that stance. The fact that the potheads in this state legalized it means nothing to me. I respect people and their decisions, just don't try and tell me it's right. To me, it isn't..

[bulldog]

Those are my beliefs of pot. To me it's a drug and I'll never come off that stance. The fact that the potheads in this state legalized it means nothing to me. I respect people and their decisions, just don't try and tell me it's right. To me, it isn't.. Do you consider alcohol a drug too?

If so do you feel alcohol is safer than weed or maybe the same? Not trying to be a jerk, just always puzzles me we have alcohol and cigarettes on every corner which we know kills people daily.

[#1Townie]

Statements like this about pot are inane. MJ stays with the body in fat cells and in the blood of the hair follicle. If you smoke weed 1 time every 2 weeks you will fail a hair, urine and blood sample for THC. You can do acid, cocaine, meth, shrooms, whiskey and a shit load of other horrible drugs daily and then stop 2 days before your test, and test clean. Just because some people smoke pot does not mean they are not successful and productive in their daily lives. I would argue that alcohol has so many worse side effects, issues and social problems than smoking weed. Yet, you don't see anyone complaining when you hear about them brewing their own beer. Weed is almost harmless if you are not driving vehicles or handling weapons.


Hahahahaha what a joke.

And I will never understand why weed supporters are so hell bent on comparing alcohol and weed.

First things first. If all the little hippies would just come out and say hey I want to get high I would support them. But no they want to hide behind this miracle drug and claim its the end all to everything.

Be truthful. YOU WANT TO GET HIGH. Hey I like to get high. See how easy it is?

I also like the blind following that it doesn't hurt anyone. Well fact is it does. Heavy users seem to enjoy destroying their personal lives with their mood swings. Relationships and other things just go out the window.

Fact is nothing overused is a good thing. Hell too much water can kill you. I'm not saying weed alone will kill you but these days we have people blowing themselves up with cooking these dabs or whatever oil they are trying to extract from weed.

I mean the people smoking that shit look like crackheads.

[#1Townie]

Do you consider alcohol a drug too?

If so do you feel alcohol is safer than weed or maybe the same? Not trying to be a jerk, just always puzzles me we have alcohol and cigarettes on every corner which we know kills people daily.


The biggest difference from alcohol to weed is one thing. One thing can be enjoyed without a buzz or any alterations to the mind. The other is strictly to get a high. Simple as that.

No one and I mean no fucking one takes a hit just to enjoy the feeling of their lungs on fire. Plenty of people will enjoy a drink with dinner. Just for the taste. Not to get drunk.

Do people abuse alcohol? Fuck yeah. Just like everything. But to keep this comparison going is just annoying.

Weed blah blah blah compared to alcohol. Blah blah blah.

[bulldog]

Hahahahaha what a joke.

And I will never understand why weed supporters are so hell bent on comparing alcohol and weed.

First things first. If all the little hippies would just come out and say hey I want to get high I would support them. But no they want to hide behind this miracle drug and claim its the end all to everything.

Be truthful. YOU WANT TO GET HIGH. Hey I like to get high. See how easy it is?

I also like the blind following that it doesn't hurt anyone. Well fact is it does. Heavy users seem to enjoy destroying their personal lives with their mood swings. Relationships and other things just go out the window.

Fact is nothing overused is a good thing. Hell too much water can kill you. I'm not saying weed alone will kill you but these days we have people blowing themselves up with cooking these dabs or whatever oil they are trying to extract from weed.

I mean the people smoking that shit look like crackheads. I compare because I have been around both my entire life and see the damage alcohol has done; my step father died from it. My real father smokes weed everyday and I alive and kickin....not saying any drug is safer but my opinion is it is safer than alcohol.

I've also personally seen it turn my friend's life around who is sick and been on pain pills his entire life till weed came here and was legal for medical reason....so I really can say it is legit and works for some people. Guy was a zombie on pain pills and would fall asleep talking to him. He swears the medical weed helps his pain a lot more.

Anyways you and I have been over this before so no need to go over it again. I really would be be interested in having you meet me at a gym just so I could prove that most the stereotypes are incorrect; I am the furthest from lazy, eat chips, and ruin my life. For sure nobody would mistake me for a crackhead....not saying I am in better shape than anyone, but just that most the stereotypes I break the mold. As Joker stated I believe people can smoke and be successful...saying that I would never smoke and come to work though.

[#1Townie]

I compare because I have been around both my entire life and see the damage alcohol has done; my step father died from it. My real father smokes weed everyday and I alive and kickin....not saying any drug is safer but my opinion is it is safer than alcohol.

I've also personally seen it turn my friend's life around who is sick and been on pain pills his entire life till weed came here and was legal for medical reason....so I really can say it is legit and works for some people. Guy was a zombie on pain pills and would fall asleep talking to him. He swears the medical weed helps his pain a lot more.

Anyways you and I have been over this before so no need to go over it again. I really would be be interested in having you meet me at a gym just so I could prove that most the stereotypes are incorrect; I am the furthest from lazy, eat chips, and ruin my life. For sure nobody would mistake me for a crackhead....not saying I am in better shape than anyone, but just that most the stereotypes I break the mold. As Joker stated I believe people can smoke and be successful...saying that I would never smoke and come to work though.

Well that goes for all things. Millions of people never drink and drive. Never die from drinking. Never have a single issue from drinking.

Yes it does effect peoples lives differently. But that's on the person not the substance. Good god why can't people be held accountable for their own actions?

The because I was high or drunk is just bullshit. Fucking bullshit! I hate that line. Your uncle didn't die because whiskey killed him. Your uncle died because he over drank for years and years and years.

Your friend didn't get better just from pot. It may have helped but not just because he started smoking weed. Other things helped in that.

And yes we have been through this before. I still and always will stand by my statements. Alcohol has and never will kill anyone. It can't shoot you. It can't pour itself down your throat. No people kill themselves with it.

And before you think I'm cruel understand both my parents were alcoholics.

[birchyboy]

....

No people kill themselves with it.



Commas make a world of difference.

No people kill themselves with a comma.
No, people kill themselves with a comma.

:)

[#1Townie]

Commas make a world of difference.

No people kill themselves with a comma.
No, people kill themselves with a comma.

:)


Are you fucking kidding me? If you think that was bad you should have been around ten years ago.

I apologize for my lack of grammar. But to be honest I didn't find time for it growing up. I am sorry. And just so we are clear I have come a long way.

So let's just keep it simple.

[j0ker]

All this talk of weed and cocaine makes me want to have another party at the Ritz downtown.

Please add me to the invite list!

[j0ker]

Hahahahaha what a joke.

And I will never understand why weed supporters are so hell bent on comparing alcohol and weed.

First things first. If all the little hippies would just come out and say hey I want to get high I would support them. But no they want to hide behind this miracle drug and claim its the end all to everything.

Be truthful. YOU WANT TO GET HIGH. Hey I like to get high. See how easy it is?

I also like the blind following that it doesn't hurt anyone. Well fact is it does. Heavy users seem to enjoy destroying their personal lives with their mood swings. Relationships and other things just go out the window.

Fact is nothing overused is a good thing. Hell too much water can kill you. I'm not saying weed alone will kill you but these days we have people blowing themselves up with cooking these dabs or whatever oil they are trying to extract from weed.

I mean the people smoking that shit look like crackheads.


I am unsure how you think my post is a joke because it is 100% factual. To me I do not care what you do in your home as long as you don't hurt anyone (but yourself). People that think weed is bad are a joke. Beer and tequila are OK, but weed is bad makes me laugh right out of my chair.

I know many very successful people who have remained so over 20+ years and they are all "hippy stoners" cause they smoke every once in a while. I also know many every day smokers that are leaders in their respective industries. Implying that smoking weed makes everyone stupid and lazy is just bullshit propaganda. However it DOES make everyone hungry....this is known.

I am not trying to sway anyone's opinion about weed, but the facts are pretty fucking clear....

Oh, and the reason you have a hangover after drinking, is because you are having minor brain damage from alcohol poisoning. You don't get a bonus like that from weed.

[birchyboy]

Are you fucking kidding me? If you think that was bad you should have been around ten years ago.

I apologize for my lack of grammar. But to be honest I didn't find time for it growing up. I am sorry. And just so we are clear I have come a long way.

So let's just keep it simple.

Yes, I was kidding around with you.

Or at least trying to.

[The Black Knight]

Do you consider alcohol a drug too?

If so do you feel alcohol is safer than weed or maybe the same? Not trying to be a jerk, just always puzzles me we have alcohol and cigarettes on every corner which we know kills people daily.

I think Townie hit the nail on the head with this. However, to answer your question. I'm of the same opinion as Townie, in that to much of anything is bad and certainly to much alcohol is a very bad thing. Just look at the innumerable alcoholics we have not only in this country but world wide.

However, I also agree that the main difference between weed and alcohol is that one doesn't alter the mind right away, while the other instantly induces mind altering affects. Obviously one to many beers, shots, wine glasses and you've come to what we call full inebriation.

Now I think it's safe to say(unless you're some scrawny lightweight), that the affects of one beer vs. one joint are greatly different. I can have one beer and be completely fine. I have just a couple pulls off a joint and my mind is blown, let alone finishing the entire joint.

To me the differences between drugs, alcohol and tobacco are where these specific substances change you or alter the mind. For me anything that instantly changes the mind, induces a trip, hallucination, a journey to the spirit world, ride with puff the magic dragon, etc. is in my opinion a drug and I will always consider it a drug. And for me, I have zero use for these kinds of substances, because I view them as a big waste of time and waste of the mind.

Alcohol is a step below drugs in my opinion. One or two beers doesn't really do much to most people, however crushing a 12 pack or slamming pitcher after pitcher at the bar does. Alcohol is more a substance of moderation that anything else. Its side affects are detrimental. Obviously abuse of alcohol leads to cirrhosis, kidney failure, mood swings, weight gain and poor health in general.

Tobacco is one of those that for me the jury is still out. I've known many people that used tobacco their entire lives and it didn't have any negative effects on them. I've also seen some people that didn't use it at all and ended up with lung problems(so go figure). I will say that I am split on tobacco. On one hand you have smoking, which for the most part is the unhealthiest part of tobacco. Lung problems, cardiovascular issues, gum and tooth issues can arise from smoking. Not to mention the nasty stink it can leave behind. Again, I think this is a frequency issue and/or moderation. If you're smoking like a chimney stack then chances are you may end up with serious health issues. If you're a pack a week type person, then you may never see any negative problems of smoking.

However, as a former "smokeless tobacco" user of almost of 8 years(quit back in Sept. 14) I can say that chew/chaw/dip (i.e. smokeless tobacco) is for the most part harmless. Why do I say it's harmless?? Well for one, my dentist(s) never could tell that I dipped. Now either I've had really crappy dentists in the past that can't catch the signs or I didn't use as much as others. For the record I was a can of dip about every 3 days. I know many guys that are can a day or two cans a day dippers. When I would inform my dentist that in fact I did use chew, they were shocked and said they couldn't tell. They would recommend that I quit but never really seemed that worried about it. They would ask how much I used, and again never said it was a lot that I went through. Most people never knew I dipped because I was so clean and discreet about it. Of course having a job where I work outside made it easier because the outside world was my spitter, however when in my work truck or at the shop I always had a spitter with or around me. I also used pop cans or cups with lids so people never could see it.

Certainly smokeless tobacco has its issues as well. Many claim it leads to tooth decay, gum disease and possible mouth cancer. Though most dentists I've asked have said if you're a moderate chew user, you have about a 3% more chance of getting cancer than someone that doesn't. Most dentist worry about the "gum slump" that some users can get than the cancer that it "might" cause.

Now the reason I rank tobacco at the bottom, is because it's one of those substances that you can use and it doesn't alter the mind. Yeah you may get a head rush from some dip if you've never done it in your life but last time I checked, when I popped in a chaw I never went on a trip through the spirit world or ended up chasing white buffaloes around(yeah I'm being sarcastic). But my point is, I don't believe tobacco is a mind altering drug or substance. Certainly it has it's draw backs(especially smoking). Smokeless tobacco isn't that big of a deal to me, could be the industry I'm in where just about everyone you see either chews or has chewed at one point in their life.

Reason I quit?? Something I wanted to do. I wanted to live a better life, a cleaner life. Free from all of the stuff I used to do. I'll have to email you my story some time Bulldog. I'm in the process of going through a massive life shift. To paraphrase it, I've quit all the bad habits I used to do. I'm on a healthy diet for life and am in the process of weight loss(already dropped 25lbs another 25 more to go for my goal, with another 25 after that for my ultimate goal).

So there you have it. I wanted to post an indepth reason to my earlier posts. When I'm on a break at work, I've just got my phone, so I can't leave very detailed responses and they are usually very short and concise comments.

[#1Townie]

I am unsure how you think my post is a joke because it is 100% factual. To me I do not care what you do in your home as long as you don't hurt anyone (but yourself). People that think weed is bad are a joke. Beer and tequila are OK, but weed is bad makes me laugh right out of my chair.

I know many very successful people who have remained so over 20+ years and they are all "hippy stoners" cause they smoke every once in a while. I also know many every day smokers that are leaders in their respective industries. Implying that smoking weed makes everyone stupid and lazy is just bullshit propaganda. However it DOES make everyone hungry....this is known.

I am not trying to sway anyone's opinion about weed, but the facts are pretty fucking clear....

Oh, and the reason you have a hangover after drinking, is because you are having minor brain damage from alcohol poisoning. You don't get a bonus like that from weed.

And I know many extremely successful people who do other things like coke or worse. Doesn't make it the norm.

I will guarantee that the out of work deadbeat stoners far out number the successful ones. Just like anything else.

Nothing and I mean nothing abused will make you a better person. Are you going to sit here and tell me you enjoy hanging out with people who have mood swings every ten min? I mean because that is so fun. One min they are a great person. Next theybare freaking out over who's knows. Just because they need to hit some pot.

I'm not making that part up. Every heavy user of pot I have ever met has almost the exact same personality. Extreme highs and lows.

I'm also not trying to sway anyone from one side to the other. You want to get high so be it. Just don't raise this false flag of the wonder plant. It is not the cure of the worlds problems.

The reason I said it was a joke was because you can easily pass a drug test. Just have to put a little work into it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/1ccp3s/how_i_passed_a_hair_follicle_test/

The internet is loaded with those.

[#1Townie]

Yes, I was kidding around with you.

Or at least trying to.

Hahahaha you got me.

[~Barn~]

So insightful.

From a fellow champions mouth, hopefully to Jon Jones ears. Listen to the picture he paints and then tell me again if you think he pegs Jon Jones as fake, or just fallible?

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/7/7511473/ufc-anthony-pettis-jon-jones-temptation-drugs-mma-news

[~Barn~]

Also. This is hysterical.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/8/7517889/tommy-toe-hold-show-fighters-react-to-jon-jones

[#1Townie]

Also. This is hysterical.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/8/7517889/tommy-toe-hold-show-fighters-react-to-jon-jones

Hahahahahaha!!!!

[bulldog]

Also. This is hysterical.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/8/7517889/tommy-toe-hold-show-fighters-react-to-jon-jones hahahaha.....go snort some Jesus! :lol:

Funny thing is that video is wrong and Vitor is back on the TRT as mysteriously days before the Jones indecent dropped UFC released a statement they would no longer perform their own drug tests and will go back to letting the athletic commission where they fight handle it again. CA and NV are really the only ones that do strict testing so you will see guys like Vitor, Dan Henderson, Overeem, back on the juice and just taking fights in places with no tests.....still no Chael ever in UFC though.

Coke and steriods....UFC should just change their name to Pride Fighting :lol:

Overeem vs Nelson just announced! Should be a slug fest...wonder if we get roided Overeem back for this fight. Roy should just get on the juice as he already hits so hard and take a punch it would be wild to see how he would be if he cheated too....heck they may as well all do whatever as this point and give us some epic fights :D

On the Rogan show they claim they pinpointed the time Jon did coke and he was in Brazil....some of that Brazilian coke huh :dunno: :crazy:


Anthony Pettis....now there is a shining example of a great champ...same age and all as Jones, but came from a way worse childhood and had his father die...yet kept his shit together; I've followed his story since we was on that MTV shows "Life of Jeeves" many years ago. This is why he is one of my favorite fighters! Should beat down Dos Anjos but will be a good fight...got faith in my boy he will keep his belt!

[Ezzzzy1]

The next person to talk shit about alcohol is going to get it....

[j0ker]

Alcohol is a step below drugs in my opinion. One or two beers doesn't really do much to most people, however crushing a 12 pack or slamming pitcher after pitcher at the bar does. Alcohol is more a substance of moderation that anything else. Its side affects are detrimental. Obviously abuse of alcohol leads to cirrhosis, kidney failure, mood swings, weight gain and poor health in general.


THIS is such bullshit. Take a shot of tequila and watch the madness around you unfold. Alcohol IS and always has been a drug. I don't care that you "feel" like it's not, it is. It is a very dangerous and chemically *addictive* drug that costs US taxpayers millions in damages and health care every year. I am a 225 lb man and I get drunk as fuck from 2 beers. I honestly wouldn't try to even drive.

I agree that anything in moderation can probably be OK, usually. But, everyone reacts to alcohol differently and there are a fuckton of functional drunks (I am looking at you Townie). Also, You NEVER see someone go smoke 1, 2 or 10 joints and then want to kick someones ass. Sure weed is strong, its supposed to be, like Tequila is stronger than beers. So what?

I heard there was once a farce of a bet between Townie and Bulldog that Townie could match Bulldog a shot for bowl. I would take that bet ANY FUCKING day. Too bad you backed out of it Townie cause you would have lost.

[j0ker]

The next person to talk shit about alcohol is going to get it....

Done! Bring it. :)

[bulldog]

I heard there was once a farce of a bet between Townie and Bulldog that Townie could match Bulldog a shot for bowl. I would take that bet ANY FUCKING day. Too bad you backed out of it Townie cause you would have lost. :spit: :lol: Yup, and I am still down. Townie changed it from that to weight to weight and doing that would have cost thousands since a shot is about a ounce, but a ounce of weed is like $400 ($4 vs $400). I would be down a bowl for a shot anyday.....I know I'd lose vice versa after about 6 shots.....I'd be out, but nobody OD's from weed so I am confident.


You guys know I like to back my shit up:

Can You Die from Marijuana Overdose?

Death Is Not Likely

There are actually very few documented cases of death by a marijuana overdose. For the most part, THC (the drug in marijuana) has never been thought of as a deadly drug. In the few instances that death has occurred with marijuana use it has been attribute to other drug use or the health condition of the individual. THC is so low in potency that very large amounts would need to be taken to cause a dangerous overdose.
A fatal marijuana overdose in humans would take 40,000 times the amount of THC that it took to get them high in the first place. In comparison, it would only take 5 to 10 times the amount of alcohol to get drunk to kill a human. If you can get drunk on 3 beers, then 15 to 30 beers can cause death. If you inhale 3 puffs of marijuana smoke and get high, then you would have to take 120,000 puffs of marijuana smoke to be fatal. In this sense, it is nearly impossible to die from an overdose of marijuana. Again, it depends on the purity of the marijuana and the health status of the individual so these amounts may vary depending on the situation.


P.S. This is for Joker....Townie and I have argued this point too many times to do it again....we learned to agree to disagree on this one :lol:

[#1Townie]

I never changed it.

[bulldog]

I never changed it. So you down then for bowl to shot (80 proof)? If not with me sounds like Joker is down...heck we can all do it for fun....even over video chat if you are still in NV :lol: Although I like to put money on things to make it more fun....$1k; loser is one that passes out first.

[Ezzzzy1]

Just a guess here, and im sure Townie can still get down, but im guessing that hes not on the bottle as much as he used to be :lol:

Townie your posts are real, well stated contributions. I dig that shit.

[j0ker]

Townie your posts are real, well stated contributions. I dig that shit.

Now you go too far.

[bulldog]

Did Townie steal Ezzzzy1's log in and make this :lol:


Townie has got a lot better...crazy as that sounds :D

[JKOL]

I am unsure how you think my post is a joke because it is 100% factual.

Saying your post was 100% factual is a tad inaccurate. For every study you can provide about how weed is harmless and in fact is a miracle drug, I can find you a study that shows smoking weed in your teens can lead to serious brain developmental issues or a study that shows people that smoke weed regularly exhibit withdrawl symptoms similar to other "hardcore" drugs. Hell my girlfriends brother is a grade a stoner, and when he didn't quit smoking, but reduced how many times he smoked in a day while trying to have a baby, he exhibited very obvious mood swings and irritability. So I have a very difficult time agreeing when you say weed is harmless unless you are driving or handling a firearm.

And Townie made another very good point that many chose to ignore, plenty of people drink a beer or glass of wine for the taste, and quit drinking long before they are buzzed or drunk, but nobody smokes weed just for the taste. Whether you are smoking medicinally or recreationally, the point of smoking weed is to get high.

[bulldog]

Saying your post was 100% factual is a tad inaccurate. For every study you can provide about how weed is harmless and in fact is a miracle drug, I can find you a study that shows smoking weed in your teens can lead to serious brain developmental issues or a study that shows people that smoke weed regularly exhibit withdrawl symptoms similar to other "hardcore" drugs. Hell my girlfriends brother is a grade a stoner, and when he didn't quit smoking, but reduced how many times he smoked in a day while trying to have a baby, he exhibited very obvious mood swings and irritability. So I have a very difficult time agreeing when you say weed is harmless unless you are driving or handling a firearm.

And Townie made another very good point that many chose to ignore, plenty of people drink a beer or glass of wine for the taste, and quit drinking long before they are buzzed or drunk, but nobody smokes weed just for the taste. Whether you are smoking medicinally or recreationally, the point of smoking weed is to get high. Sounds like Townie has found a ally in this bet. So yeah Jkol and Townie vs Joker and I; alcohol vs weed.

Jkol, Townie is in NV so you may have to represent yourself.....one shot vs one bowl and who passes out first loses $1k. I am down are you? To me actions speak louder than words so lets do this!

Neither one is safe, but I am down to do this to prove which is worse. Worse withdrawls of ANY drug is Alcohol...don't believe me go look it up....my wife is a ICU nurse in Aurora and deals with OD's daily and even states alcoholics are hard to keep alive when they try to get off it. Verse that over that "mood swings" weed may give...I've quit many times with no issues; cold turkey.

[j0ker]

And Townie made another very good point that many chose to ignore, plenty of people drink a beer or glass of wine for the taste, and quit drinking long before they are buzzed or drunk, but nobody smokes weed just for the taste. Whether you are smoking medicinally or recreationally, the point of smoking weed is to get high.

Lots of people smoke for the individual tastes of the strain as well as the high. My personal favorite is a locally grown version of Organic Agent Orange. The point isn't just to get high but to enjoy it just like a cigar or fine wine or whatever. If I was 16 I would be worried about the developmental studies that have been done, but since I am not I concede your point about it not being great for developing brains. That being said, the harm from weed over ANY OTHER drug is much less. Lots of studies out there and lots of Dr's that back em.

[JKOL]

Sounds like Townie has found a ally in this bet. So yeah Jkol and Townie vs Joker and I; alcohol vs weed.

Jkol, Townie is in NV so you may have to represent yourself.....one shot vs one bowl and who passes out first loses $1k. I am down are you? To me actions speak louder than words so lets do this!

Neither one is safe, but I am down to do this to prove which is worse. Worse withdrawls of ANY drug is Alcohol...don't believe me go look it up....my wife is a ICU nurse in Aurora and deals with OD's daily and even states alcoholics are hard to keep alive when they try to get off it. Verse that over that "mood swings" weed may give...I've quit many times with no issues; cold turkey, no issues.

I will pass on your challenge. I drank and partied hard after my divorce a few years ago and ended up making decisions far more stupid than marrying my ex. :)

I stick to moderation now. If you would have challenged me a couple years ago, we could have had one hell of an entertaining evening. I had more fun in my early 30s than I ever did in my early 20s.

[bulldog]

And to add to this, many of the negative affects come from the other substances burned while smoking. This is why vaporizing and edibles are so popular; only the THC is vaporized (burns at lower temp) which does not have the tar and other Carthaginians that occur from the smoke.

You also know there is now Marijuana that does not induce a THC high; it has been mainly taken out and the Cannabidiol is left which is used for pain. They even have pills for CBD prescribed for pain

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/23/5-must-know-facts-cannabidiol-cbd/

Unlike THC, CBD does not cause a high. While this makes CBD a poor choice for recreational users, it gives the chemical a significant advantage as a medicine, since health professionals prefer treatments with minimal side effects.


I will pass on your challenge. I drank and partied hard after my divorce a few years ago and ended up making decisions far more stupid than marrying my ex. :)

I stick to moderation now. If you would have challenged me a couple years ago, we could have had one hell of an entertaining evening. I had more fun in my early 30s than I ever did in my early 20s. I can respect that, but I hope you see my point that there is no OD on weed.

Although this entertaining evening would have been from you guys unless you count watching a guy have munchies and maybe drink some energy drinks entertaining....I say this as a drinker of alcohol too. Now get me drunk and you will see some entertainment from me for sure :lol:

[JKOL]

Lots of people smoke for the individual tastes of the strain as well as the high. My personal favorite is a locally grown version of Organic Agent Orange. The point isn't just to get high but to enjoy it just like a cigar or fine wine or whatever. If I was 16 I would be worried about the developmental studies that have been done, but since I am not I concede your point about it not being great for developing brains. That being said, the harm from weed over ANY OTHER drug is much less. Lots of studies out there and lots of Dr's that back em.

I won't argue that there are plenty of drugs far more harmful than weed, we definitely agree on that point. My main point of contention was saying weed is relatively harmless, nothing more.

I read the other day that deaths related to OTC pain meds has increased dramatically which lead to an argument between my GF and I. She thinks an occasional pain killer and glass of wine is acceptable while I couldn't disagree more with her. My stepdad was given pain killers when he broke his shoulder, and after taking them for less than a week he realized how dangerously addictive they were and he took the pills back to his doctor and told his DR not to prescribe any more pain meds to him. He stuck to Advil and Alleve after that for pain.

[bulldog]

I won't argue that there are plenty of drugs far more harmful than weed, we definitely agree on that point. My main point of contention was saying weed is relatively harmless, nothing more.

I read the other day that deaths related to OTC pain meds has increased dramatically which lead to an argument between my GF and I. She thinks an occasional pain killer and glass of wine is acceptable while I couldn't disagree more with her. My stepdad was given pain killers when he broke his shoulder, and after taking them for less than a week he realized how dangerously addictive they were and he took the pills back to his doctor and told his DR not to prescribe any more pain meds to him. He stuck to Advil and Alleve after that for pain.
I agree with you on pain pills, but I do think it depends on the person. I have done them and were never a cool thing to me, but one of my best friends was going pro in motorcross and crashed bad. Doctor put him on pain pills (opiates) and he never could get off them. When pills ran out he switched to herion since it is the same thing....has ruined his life and he is such a smart guy...or was.

If anything she needs to worry about pills and alcohol together because that is so hard on liver/kidneys. I never realized how bad it was, but the combination is bad.

[j0ker]

I won't argue that there are plenty of drugs far more harmful than weed, we definitely agree on that point. My main point of contention was saying weed is relatively harmless, nothing more.

I read the other day that deaths related to OTC pain meds has increased dramatically which lead to an argument between my GF and I. She thinks an occasional pain killer and glass of wine is acceptable while I couldn't disagree more with her. My stepdad was given pain killers when he broke his shoulder, and after taking them for less than a week he realized how dangerously addictive they were and he took the pills back to his doctor and told his DR not to prescribe any more pain meds to him. He stuck to Advil and Alleve after that for pain.

Shattered my tib and fib 5 years ago. Was on pain meds for 4 months straight. The withdrawal I went through at the end of that was a month long and HORRIBLE. Worse than anything any other drug has done to me. Your step-dad sounds like a stand up guy.

[bulldog]

Shattered my tib and fib 5 years ago. Was on pain meds for 4 months straight. The withdrawal I went through at the end of that was a month long and HORRIBLE. Worse than anything any other drug has done to me. Your step-dad sounds like a stand up guy. People need to realize their doctor is basically handing out herion (all opiate based; yes some morphine based too, but that is a different topic). Ask most herion addicts if they prefer heroin or oxy....they will choose phamecutical oxy over herion and get the same high if not better!

[JKOL]

I agree with you on pain pills, but I do think it depends on the person. I have done them and were never a cool thing to me, but one of my best friends was going pro in motorcross and crashed bad. Doctor put him on pain pills (opiates) and he never could get off them. When pills ran out he switched to herion since it is the same thing....has ruined his life and he is such a smart guy...or was.

If anything she needs to worry about pills and alcohol together because that is so hard on liver/kidneys. I never realized how bad it was, but the combination is bad.

That is why so few people realize, just because it is OTC doesn't mean it is ok and safe to use for anything other than the intended purpose. In a lot of case OTC meds are far more dangerous than hardcore street drugs because of how incredibly strong they are. Sad story about your friend, unfortunately that is a pretty common transition for people that get hooked on pain meds.


People need to realize their doctor is basically handing out herion (all opiate based; yes some morphine based too, but that is a different topic). Ask most herion addicts if they prefer heroin or oxy....they will choose phamecutical oxy over herion and get the same high if not better!

Agreed, OTC drugs are not safe just because the DR gave them to you.

My stepdad has an addictive personality and realized that combined with strong pains meds is a deadly combo. The guy never does anything half assed, he wanted to start fly fishing and within a year his office had more fly fishing gear than a well stocked fly shop. He later got into cycling and instead of buying a $1000 road bike, he jumped straight into Pinarello's top of the line bike and then got a Specialized Venge when those came out. That bike is just about awesome enough to convince me to throw on some nut huggin spandex and hit the streets. The carbon fiber work is stunning, plus it costs more than most Italian hyperbikes.

[#1Townie]

Oh hell no. You want to do this and bring back my words this deal is pound for pound. What one will affect you first. So if you want to go shot for bowl that will be a one ounce bowl. And I only have to drink as fast as you smoke.

You want to compare that's the deal. We can even take the money off the table because that's a suckers deal.

To call weed harmless is ignorant. Period. Will it kill your liver? No. Will it kill you. No. But then again reread my post on things killing you.

No weed can and DOES have negative impacts on a persons social life. I've seen it over and over. The mood swings from that shit is intense. No thank you.

But really any of you that think otherwise are just showing your mental addiction. You may not get the shakes in the morning but to be so blind to the negative impact that abusing weed has is your first clue.

And I'm sorry man but no one smokes weed for a taste. The only point to people doing weed is to get high. Well taking out those who ACTUALLY use for MEDICAL reasons. And your phantom back pains are not it.

[j0ker]

And I'm sorry man but no one smokes weed for a taste. The only point to people doing weed is to get high. Well taking out those who ACTUALLY use for MEDICAL reasons. And your phantom back pains are not it.

I never said people ONLY smoke for the taste but I did say the taste is part of the whole experience just like a cigar. Mexican ditch weed isn't going to be as fun to smoke as solid nuggets. It is known....

[#1Townie]

I never said people ONLY smoke for the taste but I did say the taste is part of the whole experience just like a cigar. Mexican ditch weed isn't going to be as fun to smoke as solid nuggets. It is known....


Yeah looks very pleasurable as people cough so hard they puke. Lol

[~Barn~]

The next person to talk shit about alcohol is going to get it....

:spit:

[~Barn~]

Clownie is the only reason this board is still going! And yes, he's only gotten better. :lol:

[#1Townie]

THIS is such bullshit. Take a shot of tequila and watch the madness around you unfold. Alcohol IS and always has been a drug. I don't care that you "feel" like it's not, it is. It is a very dangerous and chemically *addictive* drug that costs US taxpayers millions in damages and health care every year. I am a 225 lb man and I get drunk as fuck from 2 beers. I honestly wouldn't try to even drive.

I agree that anything in moderation can probably be OK, usually. But, everyone reacts to alcohol differently and there are a fuckton of functional drunks (I am looking at you Townie). Also, You NEVER see someone go smoke 1, 2 or 10 joints and then want to kick someones ass. Sure weed is strong, its supposed to be, like Tequila is stronger than beers. So what?

I heard there was once a farce of a bet between Townie and Bulldog that Townie could match Bulldog a shot for bowl. I would take that bet ANY FUCKING day. Too bad you backed out of it Townie cause you would have lost.


Whoa I never backed down from shit. Wherever you are getting your info its false. I will look for the original post but bulldog misread some shit.

The point was and still is that if you want to compare them some closely then let's do it pound for pound.

The deal was a pound of weed vs a pound of 80 proof. First to drop loses.



Actually alcohol has a ton of useful benefits. Alcohol is only dangerous in the wrong hands. Thousands of people use it everyday without hurting themselves or others. Also if you want to compare the two lets do it. Lets go pound for pound. What has the higher potency? What gets you fucked up faster? Maybe if i shot up alcohol like meth it would be about the same.

Look man this isnt a debate as to what is beteer for you alcohol or pot. Both can be abused and when its done can affect the lives of the person abusing it. Dont tell me weed doesnt affect people in a negative manor. I have seen it with my own eyes.

My comment on the card is also referring to how it makes it no longer illegal. I mean i dont even smoke pot and i seem to understand it more then people who do. I would say a good 60% of people that have a card do it just to get high. I like to get high they every now and then for fun. Its fun. At least i dont hide behind some idea that im supporting some super plant that will one day save the world while i get high.


Before people go off and call me a druggie i enjoy my spare time. I have no family and could really care less about the views of people who dont enjoy life in the same matter that i do.

http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/showthread.php?45785-Stirring-the-Pot-Happy-4-20/page5&p=663887#post663887

I didn't back down from shit. As you can clearly see I never said anything about a bet. The 2k was in reference to how much the weed would cost.

Also I would like to clearly point out that because at the time SOMEONE did back out because weed was illegal. Lol. Not me.

Pound for pound. Who wants to see what will happen? I'm game.

[mdub]

Weed. Wtf... Waaay done putting smoke in me lungs . Likes the edibles ... As for coke. Awh that shit is grt!!! Too bad I can't afford the habit...

[The Black Knight]

THIS is such bullshit. Take a shot of tequila and watch the madness around you unfold. Alcohol IS and always has been a drug. I don't care that you "feel" like it's not, it is. It is a very dangerous and chemically *addictive* drug that costs US taxpayers millions in damages and health care every year. I am a 225 lb man and I get drunk as fuck from 2 beers. I honestly wouldn't try to even drive.

I agree that anything in moderation can probably be OK, usually. But, everyone reacts to alcohol differently and there are a fuckton of functional drunks (I am looking at you Townie). Also, You NEVER see someone go smoke 1, 2 or 10 joints and then want to kick someones ass. Sure weed is strong, its supposed to be, like Tequila is stronger than beers. So what?

I heard there was once a farce of a bet between Townie and Bulldog that Townie could match Bulldog a shot for bowl. I would take that bet ANY FUCKING day. Too bad you backed out of it Townie cause you would have lost.
I think someone is getting a little defensive about their weed. Look you won't change your view on ganja just like I'm never coming off my belief that it's wrong and a drug. You should be happy, you won. This state legalized it. Now go burn some more lettuce, sit back and think how groovy it is and be as one with your own little slice of hazy hippy heaven.

[mdub]

Too much Alcohol is bad for you mmmmkay

[#1Townie]

I think someone is getting a little defensive about their weed. Look you won't change your view on ganja just like I'm never coming off my belief that it's wrong and a drug. You should be happy, you won. This state legalized it. Now go burn some more lettuce, sit back and think how groovy it is and be as one with your own little slice of hazy hippy heaven.

Bro can't you get on bored here? One shot. Just one shot will create mass chaos. World war three will start. We will have riots in the Vatican. Total anarchy.

[j0ker]

I think someone is getting a little defensive about their weed. Look you won't change your view on ganja just like I'm never coming off my belief that it's wrong and a drug. You should be happy, you won. This state legalized it. Now go burn some more lettuce, sit back and think how groovy it is and be as one with your own little slice of hazy hippy heaven.

It's ridiculous that weed has such a stigma, the Constitution is written on hemp. It wasn't until it became politically expedient to stigmatize weed users as crazed for purely monetary reasons was it outlawed. I am not defensive but I am sad that facts have no effect on your views.

[#1Townie]

It's ridiculous that weed has such a stigma, the Constitution is written on hemp. It wasn't until it became politically expedient to stigmatize weed users as crazed for purely monetary reasons was it outlawed. I am not defensive but I am sad that facts have no effect on your views.


Well the problem is that you keep claiming facts but throw out lies with them. Like every other drug can kill you or something like that.

Fact is that other drugs have their plus and downsides with them as well. Like lsd is having amazing results with alcoholics.

Meth... Well the main ingredient in it is used to treat illnesses. Back in the 50s it was prescribed for just about anything. Depression. Weight loss. Lots of stuff.

Its not just weed that gets picked on. And again bro I have a hard time listening to people who clearly just enjoy a good high and try to hide with all these "facts".

Just say it. I LIKE TO GET HIGH. Its not that hard. Don't try to justify it with its good for you because blah blah blah.

I do coke. I like to get high. I will also pop some happy pills. Mostly around a campfire with my friends after a long day in the desert. Its chill. I like it.

Same reason I drink a couple of beers at the end of a really long week. It relaxes me.

That is one major problem you are missing here. Well that and it seems like every time the long hair wants me to sign his legalize pot form it also comes with ban guns blah blah.

But that's a whole situation. I'm just saying man the weed supporters just need to be real.

Hey we have come full circle. This is why Nate is so pissed with Jone . He wasn't being real. Lol

[The Black Knight]

THIS is such bullshit. Take a shot of tequila and watch the madness around you unfold. Alcohol IS and always has been a drug. I don't care that you "feel" like it's not, it is. It is a very dangerous and chemically *addictive* drug that costs US taxpayers millions in damages and health care every year. I am a 225 lb man and I get drunk as fuck from 2 beers. I honestly wouldn't try to even drive.

I agree that anything in moderation can probably be OK, usually. But, everyone reacts to alcohol differently and there are a fuckton of functional drunks (I am looking at you Townie). Also, You NEVER see someone go smoke 1, 2 or 10 joints and then want to kick someones ass. Sure weed is strong, its supposed to be, like Tequila is stronger than beers. So what?

I heard there was once a farce of a bet between Townie and Bulldog that Townie could match Bulldog a shot for bowl. I would take that bet ANY FUCKING day. Too bad you backed out of it Townie cause you would have lost.

It's ridiculous that weed has such a stigma, the Constitution is written on hemp. It wasn't until it became politically expedient to stigmatize weed users as crazed for purely monetary reasons was it outlawed. I am not defensive but I am sad that facts have no effect on your views.

I have to touch on your other statement again.

Yeah and you want to know why no one who smokes 1, 2 or 10 joints wants to go kick someone's ass?? It's because they are a completely deflated and wasted bag of skin sitting on the couch, whose next crucial decision is "uhh dude, do you feel like tacos? or tacos??" The only time a stoner is going to beat someone's ass, is if they are standing between them and a bag of Doritos at 7/11, even then give the stoner about 6 seconds and he's going to forget where he's at...

Also at 225lbs you should not be getting smashed from just two beers. I'm thinking you've got a low tolerance. Even me, someone who "used" to drink socially could handle four beers with only minor effects. For the record it takes six tall(24oz) Coors Lights to get me pretty toasty. And don't mention micro brew stuff, I rank them right along with your weed. It's trendy and it makes me sick the amount of local brewers that think they can make beer. Every local brew I've tried tastes like sweaty dish water strained through dirty socks. I get it, people are beer snobs, again just don't try and tell me that soggy bathtub water you're drinking is good. Micro brews are trendy and so are those that drink them.

And what's this one shot of tequila and we've just unleashed hell on Earth? I've had many shots of various hard alcohol at many different times and the last thing on my mind was looking for a reason to go with everyone around me. I've had it all too, even the moonshine a friend of mine makes that is basically liquid fire going down. I've done multiple shots before and never once did I turn into "likes to fight guy". When I did partake in libations I turn into "likes to have fun guy" and not "likes to get us thrown out of the place guy".

Lastly, really you had to throw the "Constitution was written on hemp" blast in? Well if it's part of(literally) the Constitution it must be right. Who cares if that's what they used, I'm sure at the time it's all they had. I don't think James Madison was sitting around taking hit after hit from his glass pipe, carefully constructing our Constitution, all the while thinking. "I'm writing this on hemp!! people are so not going to get the subconscious meaning behind it all, bahahahaha" Anyone down for tacos??, Hey Jefferson, go score me a slurpee with some snow balls man.. Bring back some Funions too.."

[#1Townie]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana

[The Black Knight]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana

HAHA! when I click on the link, an ad for the CU Boulder pops up. Coincidence?? I like to think so... :D

[#1Townie]

Oh its safe. Lol

http://youtu.be/bzj3EHY6IWw

http://youtu.be/Z1ZWw5bwC1A

Back to weed isn't the only thing that can help people.

http://www.oddee.com/item_97276.aspx

[#1Townie]

Oh, and the reason you have a hangover after drinking, is because you are having minor brain damage from alcohol poisoning. You don't get a bonus like that from weed.

Okay so this one got my attention as I have never heard of this. I didn't want to say anything until I could read a little.

Nothing I could find says anything of the sort. The main cause of being hungover is dehydration. This is why I have the simple plan that I always eat and drink water before ending a night of drinking.

If you could please give me a link that says a hangover is from brain damage I would appreciate it.

[Ezzzzy1]

A hangover is the result of a few things. Dehydration being one of the key elements, the other large contributor is better medically explained.

Alcohol essentially stops the bodies ability to make insulin. Why thats not completely terrible it becomes a problem because of how much sugar is in beer, alcohol and mixers. Insulin is what allows the body to process sugar and if you are not processing sugar AND are taking in a large amount at the same time... You end up with a surplus.

You are doing waaaay more damage to your liver and heart than your brain by drinking.

[bulldog]

Whoa I never backed down from shit. Wherever you are getting your info its false. I will look for the original post but bulldog misread some shit.

The point was and still is that if you want to compare them some closely then let's do it pound for pound.

The deal was a pound of weed vs a pound of 80 proof. First to drop loses.




http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/showthread.php?45785-Stirring-the-Pot-Happy-4-20/page5&p=663887#post663887

I didn't back down from shit. As you can clearly see I never said anything about a bet. The 2k was in reference to how much the weed would cost.

Also I would like to clearly point out that because at the time SOMEONE did back out because weed was illegal. Lol. Not me.

Pound for pound. Who wants to see what will happen? I'm game.


Sehaha so because people abuse things we should ban it? I drink. ALOT. have been doing so for about 1520 years. Liver is fine. No shakes. No addiction. By the way you are posting you are saying that i will die from drinking.
Okay lets do a little test. You get a whole pound of weed. I will bring over a pound of whiskey. I will take a shot every time you smoke a whole bowl. I will find a leo to come over and do tests to see who gets fucked up first. Btw im not paying for your end. Just mine.

As for knowledge.

Moderate drinkers tend to have better health and live longer than those who are either abstainers or heavy drinkers. In addition to having fewer heart attacks and strokes, moderate consumers of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine and distilled spirits or liquor) are generally less likely to suffer strokes, diabetes, arthritis, enlarged prostate, dementia (including Alzheimer's disease), and several major cancers.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/AlcoholAndHealth.htmlJust to clear things up maybe there was just a miscommunication, but here is the first post that started that and then you later changed it to weight for weight. See red font above. The issue was that marijuana was illegal at that point and no way could I be rolling around with ounces of weed as that is a major felony; still is. Just seems silly to compare weight because that is not how it is sold. You can get a pound of alcohol for less than $10, but a pound of weed at a store would be in the thousands......that alone should show you weight for weight in this situation is just ridiculous. Although even so it shows it takes 120,000 hits to even come close to death abd nobody could possibly do that in a short period of time

Anyways no big deal really to me....I was only trying to educate you a bit that just because one is illegal (federally) that it may not be worse than legal drugs. I've never claimed weed was safe as I feel even cafeeine can be bad as any drug can be; of course being sober is going to be the safest.


Again you and I have been over this so many times I just can't see us doing this again; we both like to argue too much :lol: We just need to kick it as friends one day and smoke and drink and see we all just enjoy our bad habits.....I just chose the one that was better for me. Over the years I have learned to respect others opinion because we all don't think alike, so I do respect your opinion and just have to leave it at that; a difference in opinion.

[bulldog]

I have to touch on your other statement again.

Yeah and you want to know why no one who smokes 1, 2 or 10 joints wants to go kick someone's ass?? It's because they are a completely deflated and wasted bag of skin sitting on the couch, whose next crucial decision is "uhh dude, do you feel like tacos? or tacos??" The only time a stoner is going to beat someone's ass, is if they are standing between them and a bag of Doritos at 7/11, even then give the stoner about 6 seconds and he's going to forget where he's at...
Serious man, please come to one of my gym workouts and I can make you see this is stereotype and not always true. I can smoke and then lift weights vigorously for 1 hour then run 2 miles after; I do this 5 days a week for at least the last ten years! To be fair I do not smoke I vaporize and that takes out the smoke and a lot of other bad Carthaginians. All I ask is to let me prove it to you so you can see it first hand. I am sure just seeing me you would see I eat cleaner than 99% of sober people and definetly do not look like a "bag of skin sitting on a couch." Then I will also introduce you to a few guys in better shape than me that smoke and workout daily.

Here is the list of Nick Diaz (major pot smoker and MMA fighter) and his list of triathlons; I can tell you the guy has cardio and smokes daily http://www.deltavelo.com/nick_diaz/

[#1Townie]

Just to clear things up maybe there was just a miscommunication, but here is the first post that started that and then you later changed it to weight for weight. See red font above. The issue was that marijuana was illegal at that point and no way could I be rolling around with ounces of weed as that is a major felony; still is. Just seems silly to compare weight because that is not how it is sold. You can get a pound of alcohol for less than $10, but a pound of weed at a store would be in the thousands......that alone should show you weight for weight in this situation is just ridiculous. Although even so it shows it takes 120,000 hits to even come close to death abd nobody could possibly do that in a short period of time

Anyways no big deal really to me....I was only trying to educate you a bit that just because one is illegal (federally) that it may not be worse than legal drugs. I've never claimed weed was safe as I feel even cafeeine can be bad as any drug can be; of course being sober is going to be the safest.


Again you and I have been over this so many times I just can't see us doing this again; we both like to argue too much :lol: We just need to kick it as friends one day and smoke and drink and see we all just enjoy our bad habits.....I just chose the one that was better for me. Over the years I have learned to respect others opinion because we all don't think alike, so I do respect your opinion and just have to leave it at that; a difference in opinion.

Dude I already posted my first post. I never changed a thing. Its right there. Pound for pound. What would fuck you up faster. And now with dabs. Lol. You really want to dance? Really think alcohol will make me drunk faster?


And your right we have been over this but we need to make this happen. I have a trip coming up that I will be making. I will pm you details.

But back to weed as it seems to be the topic now.

Joker tried to argue that there is a taste choice. Or something like that. My argument is that people should be real and admit they want to get high.

Now that we are find of talking about dabs and thanks to my sleep issues I did a little reading on this last night. That reading got me thinking.

If, and that's a big fucking if. If people did truly more enjoy the taste of weed and not the high why has it become such a sensation to get every last bit of thc as possible? I mean that's what gets you. Well and that other one that I can't remeber. The balance of the two I guess make a world of difference in your highs.

Still. Look at people actually blowing themselves up trying to make those dabs. Knocking houses off their foundations. And don't tell me it is hype.

Now not only do I have to worry about tweekers but pot heads blowing me up. Lol. All in the name of getting high. Come on man when you start mixing chemicals and adding in things like butane to make your drug you can't really claim its all natural.

If you wanted to do that then you have to give heroine and coke their dues. Lol. Those are made from plants. Lol.

But I would love to see someone try to smoke a 1oz dab. That would be funny. Just make sure you pad the walls and do it on the first floor. Lol.

[The Black Knight]

Serious man, please come to one of my gym workouts and I can make you see this is stereotype and not always true. I can smoke and then lift weights vigorously for 1 hour then run 2 miles after; I do this 5 days a week for at least the last ten years! To be fair I do not smoke I vaporize and that takes out the smoke and a lot of other bad Carthaginians. All I ask is to let me prove it to you so you can see it first hand. I am sure just seeing me you would see I eat cleaner than 99% of sober people and definetly do not look like a "bag of skin sitting on a couch." Then I will also introduce you to a few guys in better shape than me that smoke and workout daily.

Here is the list of Nick Diaz (major pot smoker and MMA fighter) and his list of triathlons; I can tell you the guy has cardio and smokes daily http://www.deltavelo.com/nick_diaz/
Carcinogen - any substance or agent that tends to produce a cancer.

Carthage/Carthaginian - an ancient city-state in N Africa, near modern Tunis: founded by the Phoenicians in the middle of the 9th century b.c.; destroyed in 146 b.c. in the last of the Punic Wars. Also, of or relating to Carthage or its inhabitants

Oh I get it man, many people can and do function(sort of) normally while using marijuana. I've heard it all before, been there done that and got the t-shirt. Had friends that swear up and down it makes them work better, function better, expand their mind better, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The reasoning behind it, just like an alcoholic is that you've become inure to the affects of what you smoke. Now it's done out of habit rather than out of necessity to get "the high" feeling. The mind requires more and more and stronger doses of the hallucinogen in order to achieve the high. Whereas a normal dose only heightens the senses but still allows you to perform normal. Alcoholics are the same way, they can consume a smaller amount and it has little to no effects on them or their inhibitions. Once the threshold has been crossed and they continue to consume more and more, then they begin to experience inebriation.

I've had friends on both sides of the issue man. I've seen them all at their best and worst with their chosen substances. You can't tell me either are beneficial and certainly not in high amounts of usage. Sure people can smoke up and go about their day. Many people also pound a fifth of jack and can still get their job done. Doesn't make it right though and I still make the argument that both sides would operate better and be more efficient without any substances in their bloodstreams.

Look I get it, I really do. What you do on your own time and in the privacy of your own home is your business and yours alone. It's when the substances you consume and the decisions you make start affecting the public is when I have a problem with it. Which is why I'm in total favor and support of employers being able to have and enforce a zero tolerance punishment and provide a drug free work environment.

Like I said earlier. If you want to get smacked out of your mind, more power to you. Sooner or later you're going to have to eat and pay bills and people have to decide what's more important in life. Getting high?? or making/earning a living to provide for them and their families.

[bulldog]

Dude I already posted my first post. I never changed a thing. Its right there. Pound for pound. What would fuck you up faster. And now with dabs. Lol. You really want to dance? Really think alcohol will make me drunk faster?


And your right we have been over this but we need to make this happen. I have a trip coming up that I will be making. I will pm you details.

But back to weed as it seems to be the topic now.

Joker tried to argue that there is a taste choice. Or something like that. My argument is that people should be real and admit they want to get high.

Now that we are find of talking about dabs and thanks to my sleep issues I did a little reading on this last night. That reading got me thinking.

If, and that's a big fucking if. If people did truly more enjoy the taste of weed and not the high why has it become such a sensation to get every last bit of thc as possible? I mean that's what gets you. Well and that other one that I can't remeber. The balance of the two I guess make a world of difference in your highs.

Still. Look at people actually blowing themselves up trying to make those dabs. Knocking houses off their foundations. And don't tell me it is hype.

Now not only do I have to worry about tweekers but pot heads blowing me up. Lol. All in the name of getting high. Come on man when you start mixing chemicals and adding in things like butane to make your drug you can't really claim its all natural.

If you wanted to do that then you have to give heroine and coke their dues. Lol. Those are made from plants. Lol.

But I would love to see someone try to smoke a 1oz dab. That would be funny. Just make sure you pad the walls and do it on the first floor. Lol.
Well I didn't change that post either, so like I said just a intercommunication then as I was under impression it was a bowl for a shot. I am down to kick it, but honestly there is no way I am going to buy a pound of weed or have that on me...just not worth it.

To put it in perspective this is 1/2 pound of weed: (NSFW) http://s3.amazonaws.com/newscloud-production/recordpub/2013/03/513697b77fd0dc46ac006dcb/photos/1732898/original.jpg?1386789568 BRIMFIELD POLICE ARREST SUSPENDED DRIVER, FIND 1/2 POUND OF MARIJUANA (http://www.recordpub.com/news%20local/2013/03/06/brimfield-police-arrest-suspended-driver-find-1-2-pound-of-marijuana)

Carcinogen - any substance or agent that tends to produce a cancer.

Carthage/Carthaginian - an ancient city-state in N Africa, near modern Tunis: founded by the Phoenicians in the middle of the 9th century b.c.; destroyed in 146 b.c. in the last of the Punic Wars. Also, of or relating to Carthage or its inhabitants
Oh I get it man, many people can and do function(sort of) normally while using marijuana. I've heard it all before, been there done that and got the t-shirt. Had friends that swear up and down it makes them work better, function better, expand their mind better, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The reasoning behind it, just like an alcoholic is that you've become inure to the affects of what you smoke. Now it's done out of habit rather than out of necessity to get "the high" feeling. The mind requires more and more and stronger doses of the hallucinogen in order to achieve the high. Whereas a normal dose only heightens the senses but still allows you to perform normal. Alcoholics are the same way, they can consume a smaller amount and it has little to no effects on them or their inhibitions. Once the threshold has been crossed and they continue to consume more and more, then they begin to experience inebriation.

I've had friends on both sides of the issue man. I've seen them all at their best and worst with their chosen substances. You can't tell me either are beneficial and certainly not in high amounts of usage. Sure people can smoke up and go about their day. Many people also pound a fifth of jack and can still get their job done. Doesn't make it right though and I still make the argument that both sides would operate better and be more efficient without any substances in their bloodstreams.

Look I get it, I really do. What you do on your own time and in the privacy of your own home is your business and yours alone. It's when the substances you consume and the decisions you make start affecting the public is when I have a problem with it. Which is why I'm in total favor and support of employers being able to have and enforce a zero tolerance punishment and provide a drug free work environment.

Like I said earlier. If you want to get smacked out of your mind, more power to you. Sooner or later you're going to have to eat and pay bills and people have to decide what's more important in life. Getting high?? or making/earning a living to provide for them and their families. Carthaginian :spit: Stupid auto-correct...you got me there :lol:

You do have a point and I am sure the effects are different after pro-longed use like any drug. Again I am not saying any drug is good for you, just that some that are "illegal" (federally) may not be worse than the legal drugs we have now; alcohol and cigarettes (we bring prescriptions in there and it gets even worse). I am not going to sit here and say I am proud I do marijuana, but I am a very successful person who has his shit together; for example my credit score is in the high 700's (bought my first house at age 20 with no help) and I have never defaulted on a loan! I never go to work high (wouldn't even be enjoyable and I respects the rules) or choose to smoke over my responsibilities. Been at my job 10+ years, with multiple promotions, got a 401K and money saved. As I said I workout a lot and am in better shape that 95% of people my age. I feel I am doing ok :dunno: ; especially considering I was raised very poor in a single parent home and have received little financial support (I still have the best mom in the world though).

The point where I feel Marijuana is bringing me down I would stop or cut down; this is what I have done with alcohol. Ask any of the older members, I use to go to all the CSC functions and get drunk with the rest of the guys and then ride home. I got pulled over on my bike drunk from one of those functions and somehow I was not charged with a DUI, but it made me learn and one thing I did was cut my alcohol down a lot. For me I really felt the alcohol brought my life down more than anything I did. So yeah I am not sure anyone is to proud of their bad habits but I do pay my bills, know what is important to me in life (my family), and do raise my family (no kids, but I am a great husband). I think if we hung out for just a bit you would see a different viewpoint of me...hopefully.

[#1Townie]

Well I didn't change that post either, so like I said just a intercommunication then as I was under impression it was a bowl for a shot. I am down to kick it, but honestly there is no way I am going to buy a pound of weed or have that on me...just not worth it.

Carthaginian :spit: Stupid auto-correct...you got me there :lol:

You do have a point and I am sure the effects are different after pro-longed use like any drug. Again I am not saying any drug is good for you, just that some that are "illegal" (federally) may not be worse than the legal drugs we have now; alcohol and cigarettes (we bring prescriptions in there and it gets even worse). I am not going to sit here and say I am proud I do marijuana, but I am a very successful person who has his shit together; for example my credit score is in the high 700's (bought my first house at age 20 with no help) and I have never defaulted on a loan! I never go to work high (wouldn't even be enjoyable and I respects the rules) or choose to smoke over my responsibilities. Been at my job 10+ years, with multiple promotions, got a 401K and money saved. As I said I workout a lot and am in better shape that 95% of people my age. I feel I am doing ok :dunno: ; especially considering I was raised very poor in a single parent home and have received little financial support (I still have the best mom in the world though).

The point where I feel Marijuana is bringing me down I would stop or cut down; this is what I have done with alcohol. Ask any of the older members, I use to go to all the CSC functions and get drunk with the rest of the guys and then ride home. I got pulled over on my bike drunk from one of those functions and somehow I was not charged with a DUI, but it made me learn and one thing I did was cut my alcohol down a lot. For me I really felt the alcohol brought my life down more than anything I did. So yeah I am not sure anyone is to proud of their bad habits but I do pay my bills, know what is important to me in life (my family), and do raise my family (no kids, but I am a great husband). I think if we hung out for just a bit you would see a different viewpoint of me...hopefully.



Hahahaha bro just get some dabs. Maybe a hundred bucks worth. I'm sure you won't go through it all.

Yeah when I get closer to it I will pm you the dates. Grimster is on that list as well.

To be really honest I don't think anything is safe. Nothing. There is a risk involved with every aspect of life. Every choice you make can have consequences. That is probably my only complaint when it comes to weed. People feel there is none when there is a lot.

[bulldog]

Hahahaha bro just get some dabs. Maybe a hundred bucks worth. I'm sure you won't go through it all.

Yeah when I get closer to it I will pm you the dates. Grimster is on that list as well.

To be really honest I don't think anything is safe. Nothing. There is a risk involved with every aspect of life. Every choice you make can have consequences. That is probably my only complaint when it comes to weed. People feel there is none when there is a lot.
Ok, “dabs” must be the same as “shatter”. I actually just watched a “Drugs Inc” program on it. My issue is they use butane to make it. So I am not so sure the “natural” drug doesn’t somehow become chemical since they have to be using the butane to make a chemical reaction; I do not know a lot about how they make it but I know butane is used. This is how I feel about cocaine when people say it is natural and comes from a plant too. Sure it comes from a plant, but one of the process is to use toxic chemicals to make the paste which results in a chemical reaction and changes the composition. Plus you ever hear of someone growing coca plants in their basement and making cocaine; it is not easy. Anytime a chemical reaction takes place it leaves room for a bad product if made wrong; which generally causes overdoses and damage (a lot of damage of cocaine does not come from the cocaine, and actually from what it is made or cut with; hence why rich people get better cocaine and tend to have less issues).

Cool bro....although you bring Grim and there is going to be some "do you even lift Townie" talk as we are both all into lifting. :lol:

Anyone thinks any drugs are safe are just fooling themselves! Some are worse than others for sure though, but it really comes down to responsibility. I still feel acetaminophen (Tylenol) is one of the most harmful drugs there is and that is sold on every corner….people die daily from it. I have a buddy who claims to be “dug free” yet he drinks 3-4 Energy drinks a day. I tell him “nope, your drug is caffeine and if you do not think so stop and see the massive headaches you get”. Sh*t go srink too much water and a person will die. :lol:

[#1Townie]

Hahahaha oh man the energy drink guys. Wow. Lol. Yeah that is a whole other topic on its own.

Oh its cool you guys can give me all the shit you want. Its cool.

Yeah it seems to be most common to the new thing dabs. It has about a million names but its MOSTLY the same thing.

Basically what they are doing is taking all the shake and getting the thc from it. There is a couple of different ways of doing it. Some have the same view as you and don't like the butane. Others use co2 to get the same reaction.

One thing is for sure when you're blowing up your house to get high you have issues. Lol


As to your question on coke... That's interesting. I know that the farmers that sell it down south get shit prices for it down there. I will do some digging tonight.

[#1Townie]

https://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Growing_Coca

Well after some serious digging this is all I could really find.

It seems that the plant is very sensitive to elevation. But it also appears that they have figured out a cross bread of the plant with another coca plant. So I don't know.

It really seems like things have to be just right to get the plant to hold properties that you would need for it to be worth it.

So I'm guessing that the risk/reward just isn't there to grow it here. Probably why its grown down there and manufactured and shipped all over the world.

[bulldog]

https://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Growing_Coca

Well after some serious digging this is all I could really find.

It seems that the plant is very sensitive to elevation. But it also appears that they have figured out a cross bread of the plant with another coca plant. So I don't know.

It really seems like things have to be just right to get the plant to hold properties that you would need for it to be worth it.

So I'm guessing that the risk/reward just isn't there to grow it here. Probably why its grown down there and manufactured and shipped all over the world. Intesresting...thanks for the link :up:

So sounds like it is the "alkaloid" production in the plants that makes it hard to grow outside of South America. I am just surprised with technology nowadays that someone hasn't mastered this technique in some controlled warehouse....obviously illegal, but just saying as a talking point (calm down people. lol). You would think the profits would be huge, but I have also read that the coca farmers get paid nearly nothing for all their work so I bet the cartels just import the paste for cheap; seems like the paste is imported and then it is sometimes refined down to cocaine here in US.

Here is a good article on how it is made; not a easy process and I am sure this is why we are not seeing it made like other drugs. Article states of the 200 species of the coca plant only 2 contain significant amounts of cocaine. http://alcoholrehab.com/drug-addiction/how-cocaine-is-made/

[bulldog]

What was the topic of this thread? :lol:

Oh yeah Jon Jones got caught for cocaine and went to rehab. So here we go

Jon Jones’ stint in drug treatment facility reportedly lasted one night (http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/13/7536675/jon-jones-stint-in-drug-treatment-facility-lasted-one-night) <-click


Jon Jones (http://www.mmafighting.com/fighter/47/jon-jones) entered a drug treatment facility on last week after testing positive for a cocaine metabolite (http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/6/7505225/jon-jones-tests-positive-for-cocaine-metabolites-enters-into-drug) in an out-of-competition drug test on Dec. 4, but he is reportedly already out of the rehab facility.

According to CBS affiliate WBNG Action Sports (http://www.wbng.com/news/local/EXCLUSIVE-Jon-Jones-mother-glad-he-tested-positive-for-cocaine-288349161.html), the 27-year-old fighter left the rehab program after just one night, but Jones’ mother, Camille Jones, said he will continue to learn more about the subject.




I have to say I am dispointed and even though I am not a fan of the guy I was hoping he would get some serious help and take rehab serious....maybe he is, but nobody gets help in one night for a addiction. They claim a successful rehab program is 60 days, so only one night of that is concerning to me. Guess we will see how this continues but not good news for Jon if you ask me :dunno:

[#1Townie]

Did I miss something? One hot random is far away from an addict. I mean he is still an amazing fighter. He isn't out on the street sucking dick for it. Can't really call him a crack head like say.... Dave shappel. Lol!!

I don't know man. He's a big boy. Let him do his thing. It's worked this far.

Now if you want to talk about Tito.. I fucking hate that little bitch. Such a little baby. Oh and wasn't he banned for fighting for a year for roids?

[Ezzzzy1]

We should start doing CSC random drug tests :lol:

Show up to a ride and someone is like "yeah, we are going to need you to go ahead and pee in this cup".

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/Ezzzzy1/6a00d8341c39e853ef0168e6ce7937970c-320wi_zps007bb002.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/Ezzzzy1/media/6a00d8341c39e853ef0168e6ce7937970c-320wi_zps007bb002.jpg.html)

[Ezzzzy1]

Now if you want to talk about Tito.. I fucking hate that little bitch. Such a little baby. Oh and wasn't he banned for fighting for a year for roids?

Thats has to be something that most fans would agree on. Let him (jones) do some coke in a room full of naked chicks before steroids (90% of the UFC.

[bulldog]

Did I miss something? One hot random is far away from an addict. I mean he is still an amazing fighter. He isn't out on the street sucking dick for it. Can't really call him a crack head like say.... Dave shappel. Lol!!

I don't know man. He's a big boy. Let him do his thing. It's worked this far.

Now if you want to talk about Tito.. I fucking hate that little bitch. Such a little baby. Oh and wasn't he banned for fighting for a year for roids?
lol.....again go tell the media....they are the one claiming he is a "addict" :dunno:...I assume to play up the "going to rehab" plan . If you feel going to rehab for only one night is ok, then I guess we will have to disagree because I have had many friends go through rehab and none ever kicked it in one night. To me it just shows Jones was caught, UFC set it up to go to rehab, and he only went because he was told that was the best thing for his career. Hey maybe he doesn't have a addiction, but reports are stating many people have known this for 4 years. Honestly I hope he does not have a addiction because he is one of the greatest fighters ever and would be a shame to not see him fight again.....plus I really want to see him rematch Alexander Gustafsson :up:


Thats has to be something that most fans would agree on. Let him (jones) do some coke in a room full of naked chicks before steroids (90% of the UFC.

I respect Tito and I think every fighter in the UFC should. I've read his autobiography (along with many MMA's fighters and people in industry) and he is responsible for how fighters get paid now. You think they get paid little now, well back then they made nearly nothing. Dana White was manager for Tito Ortiz and Chuck Lidell prior to owning the UFC. Both of them were in high profile fights and getting paid nearly nothing until Tito realized he was so popular that he had pull to hold out for more money. So while Chuck was fighting and pretty much getting "used", Tito refused to fight until the pay was at least closer to what a boxer makes; and they eventually caved and starting paying him more and other fighters followed. I also watched him all season coach The Ultimate Fighter and he seemed like a good guy and it really made me change how I think of him as a person.

As for roids, don't fool yourself and think most fighters are not on them (or most pro athletes).....Jon Jones has many doctors claiming that drug test he failed definitely shows he is messing with hormones; they can tell by levels of hormones....although I do not believe Tito has ever failed a drug test (not saying he hasn't juiced before). Heck Tito has saved many UFC cards and if we compare Jones, he is the only fighters to ever turn down a fight and have a entire PPV card cancelled (another reason he is hated as it cost a lot of fighters money because the "champ" wasn't down to fight anyone so they all had their matches cancelled; think it costs UFC over $30million). Plus Tito has always been the "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" and has never claimed to be the good person Jones does...again that is what changes it for me...Jones needs to come out and say he likes blow and hookers and stop faking what he is not. Hell Tito married a porn star so how much does he fake his image because everyone was against this and he still married her.

[#1Townie]

Whoa so Tito can hit women. Use steroids. Be complete bitch on the ultimate fighter and back out of countless fights. Talk mad shit on everyone and everything. Yet you still have mad respect for him?

Jones misses one random and you jump in line and call him a junky, just because the media says so? Ummmm I'm kind of seeing a double standard here.

[bulldog]

Whoa so Tito can hit women. Use steroids. Be complete bitch on the ultimate fighter and back out of countless fights. Talk mad shit on everyone and everything. Yet you still have mad respect for him?

Jones misses one random and you jump in line and call him a junky, just because the media says so? Ummmm I'm kind of seeing a double standard here. I guess if that is how you see it; like I said I've done a lot of research on this, so it is kind of hard for me since I am very knowledgeable about MMA and didn't feel Tito was bitch on TUF. Come on Townie did you really see every episode of the Ultimate Fighter Tito was on? Honestly do you even watch the current Ultimate Fighters or the UFC PPV's? Just kind of wondering how much you are into this as you gave always been a guy to come with facts, but you seem to be thinking I am the one putting this all out about Jones; again I am just reporting it and when someone goes from one of the most loved to the most hated I feel maybe there is a reason for it. He went to rehab and lasted one day and yet you still stick up for him? I don't get it, but I guess that is why everyone thinks different

Plus as I have stated before one of my best friend's brother is in the UFC and he actually gets to hang out with a lot of these people; heck Cowboy Cerroine and Ben Henderson stay at his house all the time. I respect my friend and believe what he tells me as he has personally met Jon Jones many times and I do not take him as a person to just make things up.

Plus one is a self proclaimed "Bad Boy", another is a fake self proclaimed "role model" who claims to not do drugs, will never get a DUI, rats on anyone else that does drugs, has 3 kids from a woman and doesn't marry her but claims to be a devote Christian, gets caught doing cocaine, etc...sorry to me that does not show the great Christian role model he tried to put out.

Never told anyone to hate Jones....this is me reporting what goes on and then offering my opinion....of course just one man's opinion.

[#1Townie]

Okay so its okay to crash your Porsche beat your girlfriend and mother of twins. Back out of fights for bullshit reasons. Call people out and then back out of the fight.

LOSE LIKE EVERY FIGHT AS A COACH. Piss off the other fighters to a point that you actually get spanked in the cage. Lol.

As for your questions I don't follow ufc anymore. Why? Because its bullshit. After broc I just gave up on it. The whole point of mma has been lost in the fans and the ufc gave into it.

To answer your question... With a question.. Lol. Have you ever bothered to train? Have you ever cut weight for the fight?

Have you spent nights "conditioning"? And by that I mean just getting punched and kicked to get used to it.

I know a bit about it. So yeah man because you watch it on TV and read about on the web you can have all your info. But please tell me that anything I have said about Tito is incorrect.

[#1Townie]

Oh and I'm just debating for debating. Just so you know. And I really really really hate tito.

[bulldog]

Okay so its okay to crash your Porsche beat your girlfriend and mother of twins. Back out of fights for bullshit reasons. Call people out and then back out of the fight.

LOSE LIKE EVERY FIGHT AS A COACH. Piss off the other fighters to a point that you actually get spanked in the cage. Lol.

As for your questions I don't follow ufc anymore. Why? Because its bullshit. After broc I just gave up on it. The whole point of mma has been lost in the fans and the ufc gave into it.

To answer your question... With a question.. Lol. Have you ever bothered to train? Have you ever cut weight for the fight?

Have you spent nights "conditioning"? And by that I mean just getting punched and kicked to get used to it.

I know a bit about it. So yeah man because you watch it on TV and read about on the web you can have all your info. But please tell me that anything I have said about Tito is incorrect. Ok, Townie, you win,.....Jon Jones is a great person and Tito sucks :lol:

We have been over my training. I have wrestled for 6 years, done Martial Arts (Kajukembo) since I was 6; we could not afford it is a kid so my uncle taught me and my cousins at his house (My Uncle (http://www.kajukembo.org/TKA/member/montoya_pete.html)). Yeah I have never trained for straight MMA, but ask anyone what the bases for MMA is and it is wrestling, so I know it somewhat! MMA is the only sport I follow, no football, baseball, basketball, etc). You know I train physically everyday and I am sure it is more than most people do so hopefully that qualifies me a bit....I could be ready to be conditioned for three rounds in less than a month for sure where most guys would take at least a year...I am sure you know I am obsessed with fitness.

[#1Townie]

Ok, Townie, you win,.....Jon Jones is a great person and Tito sucks :lol:

We have been over my training. I have wrestled for 6 years, done Martial Arts (Kajukembo) since I was 6; we could not afford it is a kid so my uncle taught me and my cousins at his house (My Uncle (http://www.kajukembo.org/TKA/member/montoya_pete.html)). Yeah I have never trained for straight MMA, but ask anyone what the bases for MMA is and it is wrestling, so I know it somewhat! MMA is the only sport I follow, no football, baseball, basketball, etc). You know I train physically everyday and I am sure it is more than most people do so hopefully that qualifies me a bit....I could be ready to be conditioned for three rounds in less than a month for sure where most guys would take at least a year...I am sure you know I am obsessed with fitness.


So go do it and come back to the table. It will take a lot longer than a month. Its not the same man. Trust me from actually doing it.

My main point of who gives a shit is because they are just people. Just like you and I. Ufc has taken that respect away from it. Sure I'm not in the best shape these days. Just a truck driver. Lol. For nine months I spent every day training for one thing. To fight. Sat there and got hit and kicked just to be prepared to fight. Nothing else was my goal. Just to fight. All day every day. Just to fight.

That is the hardest part man. Training. That sport deserves the respect its not shown.

[bulldog]

So go do it and come back to the table. It will take a lot longer than a month. Its not the same man. Trust me from actually doing it.

My main point of who gives a shit is because they are just people. Just like you and I. Ufc has taken that respect away from it. Sure I'm not in the best shape these days. Just a truck driver. Lol. For nine months I spent every day training for one thing. To fight. Sat there and got hit and kicked just to be prepared to fight. Nothing else was my goal. Just to fight. All day every day. Just to fight.

That is the hardest part man. Training. That sport deserves the respect its not shown. Naw no interest as I am now 36 and not about to start now; plus I have street fought all my life and now I am trying to get to where I do not need to do that to prove my point anymore; just part of my growing up. I fight and the feelings just comes back and that is not a part of me I want to re-visit....much better things to focus on now.

Wrestling and MMA conditioning are very similar....some may actually say wrestling is harder conditioning than MMA and I did that for years so I know how tough it is....also did a bit of boxing as a kid and know how hard that is too. I have just been working on my fitness for over 10 years now at 5 days a week, so the only thing I would change is more cardio driven than weights, but I feel I'd have the conditioning to do it pretty fast; I just have that much faith in my conditioning now as I beat myself up daily to accomplish it. (I think Townie needs me to send him a epic "Nate shirt off pic"....jk)

If anyone respects the sport of MMA it is me.....this is why I look up to these guys and follow it so closely....and have since age 12.


P.S. Tito was ranked the #1 coach ever for UFC; article seems to agree with me that he came in hated, but after he was on the show, people saw him as a better person http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1377082-ufc-the-10-best-coaches-in-the-history-of-the-ultimate-fighter/page/11 Not trying to argue, just hope maybe that would make you see him in a different light. I have never met anyone that has met him that said he was not a good guy in person.

[#1Townie]

http://youtu.be/buScBXnDIdo

http://youtu.be/B9yQSmt9dxY

[bulldog]

http://youtu.be/buScBXnDIdo

http://youtu.be/B9yQSmt9dxY Is this supposed to be new? Chuck and Tito have hated eachother for decades so this is not new at all....again I have read both their books so I base my decisions on my own knowledge of them. I do love Chuck...talk about a guy that does coke though! Love that he admits he is a womanizer; always with a different hot girl (but he ain't married like Jones who was caught with two woman at 4am that were not his fiance)

Dana White....again he is pissed he had to pay more to his fighters....look at his greed now...won't even allow sponsors because he wants UFC to get all the money....yet is the pay even close to a boxers...that is Dana White. Sorry but Dana has also been voted one of the worst bosses ever!

Yet my link was clear that he was voted the #1 coach....he even went out of his way to personally coach the deaf fighter Matt Hamil.

And you do know Tito pulled out of that fight because he had neck surgery; actually a neck fusion surgery.....it has been documented and he did have that surgery. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/397641-tito-ortiz-fired-from-the-ultimate-fighter-undergoes-neck-surgery



And if we are going by videos, why were my three videos of great fighters saying Jones is fake ignored :dunno:

Don't just take my word for it though.
From Dan Henderson: http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/5/...lot-of-respect (http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/5/7495261/dan-henderson-jon-jones-i-dont-have-a-whole-lot-of-respect)
From Daniel Cormier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNKE_17DkZU
From Rashad Evans: http://www.mmamania.com/2012/2/19/28...ud-rivalry-mma (http://www.mmamania.com/2012/2/19/2811049/ufc-145-rashad-evans-jon-jones-fight-video-fake-fraud-rivalry-mma)

If not going to view at least know the headlines of the videos so you don't think I am the only Jones "hater":
Rashad: "UFC 145: Rashad Evans calls Jon Jones a fake and a fraud,"
Daniel Cormier: "Almost everything is fake about Jon Jones. It's very sad."
Dan: Dan Henderson on Jon Jones: 'I don’t have a whole lot of respect for him as a person

[#1Townie]

Hahahaha its just so amazing to me how you will turn a blind eye to much worse and have respect. You say everyone likes him and I can find countless people who all call him the same thing. A fake.

I don't know man. From what we have talked about here is where the talking has gone. Jones needs rehab for 60 days to clean up. But I show worse behavior from another fighter and that's just whatever.

You aren't being objective. I mean one guy gets arrested for putting his hands on a woman and that's just ignored. Yet you keep at jones for a failed UA. That just blows my mind.

But its cool man. You have your heros. That's all good. I just learned a long ass time ago what you see on TV isn't real.

The people who are on it is the same thing. When you are dealing with a celeb you are dealing with a product. Tito played that roll of bad boy. Just like chuck played the angry bar fighter. Whatever got them to sell the most tickets. And why?

Because the more people who want to see them the more they can charge to do their job. Its about that simple. At the end of the day its about money. Pure and simple. You really think jones would get very far if he walked around saying he did coke and fucked as many chicks as he could? Come on man that's just poor thinking. Just because YOU would respect that doesn't mean sponsors would.

So really I'm sorry when you get that slap in the face what you were sold turns out to not be so true. That's part of life. But at this point I'm kind of surprised that you haven't linked those things together yet.

As to training. I would love to see you in one month just jump into a amateur fight. That would be a fun thing to watch. As for the conditioning I was talking about that had nothing to do with cardio. What I was talking about was conditioning yourself to be able to take a hit.

This isn't a street fight we are talking about. But I guess you forget we come some similar backgrounds. So remember I have had one or two of those as well. Mma is something on a whole other level. Cough kimbo cough. Lol.

Nah man its a whole different world. Something that you can only truly understand if you do it.

But at least we have a thread talking about stuff. Well a couple these days. Lol.

Just so everyone here is clear. Townie hates tito. Bulldog hates jones. Both are fake. Both do drugs. Both have failed UAs. Both are amazing fighters.

[bulldog]

Hahahaha its just so amazing to me how you will turn a blind eye to much worse and have respect. You say everyone likes him and I can find countless people who all call him the same thing. A fake.

I don't know man. From what we have talked about here is where the talking has gone. Jones needs rehab for 60 days to clean up. But I show worse behavior from another fighter and that's just whatever.

You aren't being objective. I mean one guy gets arrested for putting his hands on a woman and that's just ignored. Yet you keep at jones for a failed UA. That just blows my mind.

But its cool man. You have your heros. That's all good. I just learned a long ass time ago what you see on TV isn't real.

The people who are on it is the same thing. When you are dealing with a celeb you are dealing with a product. Tito played that roll of bad boy. Just like chuck played the angry bar fighter. Whatever got them to sell the most tickets. And why?

Because the more people who want to see them the more they can charge to do their job. Its about that simple. At the end of the day its about money. Pure and simple. You really think jones would get very far if he walked around saying he did coke and fucked as many chicks as he could? Come on man that's just poor thinking. Just because YOU would respect that doesn't mean sponsors would.

So really I'm sorry when you get that slap in the face what you were sold turns out to not be so true. That's part of life. But at this point I'm kind of surprised that you haven't linked those things together yet.

As to training. I would love to see you in one month just jump into a amateur fight. That would be a fun thing to watch. As for the conditioning I was talking about that had nothing to do with cardio. What I was talking about was conditioning yourself to be able to take a hit.

This isn't a street fight we are talking about. But I guess you forget we come some similar backgrounds. So remember I have had one or two of those as well. Mma is something on a whole other level. Cough kimbo cough. Lol.

Nah man its a whole different world. Something that you can only truly understand if you do it.

But at least we have a thread talking about stuff. Well a couple these days. Lol.

Just so everyone here is clear. Townie hates tito. Bulldog hates jones. Both are fake. Both do drugs. Both have failed UAs. Both are amazing fighters.
I thought you understood it was the "fakeness" I do not like about Jones...really that is it! :dunno:

I didn't mean I could do or win a amateur fight,,,just my conditioning should be good enough to go three rounds; especially at sea level. Like I said I have mad respect for MMA and I would not even fight a 125lb UFC fighter as they would kill me.

[bulldog]

Since no other talk on here may as well continue it so Townie and I have something to chat about. :lol:

i looked it it up and it states "Ortiz, a UFC Hall of Famer and record-setting champion, competed in MMA for over 15 years while never once failing a pre-fight or post-fight drug test."

also Tito always denied the domestic violence and appears she even took it back and Tito was not charged. Here is her own words http://www.celebuzz.com/jenna-jameson-explains-domestic-violence-s198151/

[#1Townie]

Well that's not surprising considering the woman always retracts her claims. Lol.

[bulldog]

Well that's not surprising considering the woman always retracts her claims. Lol.
You mean the porn star, strung out heroin addict (oxy)? She admits it right in that article and many reports of how messed up she is. You seen how she even looks now....definitely a addict and doesn't sound like the best character to trust.....

And here is the gruesome pics of her alleged injuries from that :lol:
https://houseofjenic.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/0426-jenna-jameson-cvs-gsi-credit.jpg

P.S. A victim can drop charges, but the State (and in particular, the Prosecutor's Office) will decide whether to move forward with the case or drop the charges.

[#1Townie]

You mean the porn star, strung out heroin addict (oxy)? She admits it right in that article and many reports of how messed up she is. You seen how she even looks now....definitely a addict and doesn't sound like the best character to trust.....

And here is the gruesome pics of her alleged injuries from that :lol:
https://houseofjenic.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/0426-jenna-jameson-cvs-gsi-credit.jpg

P.S. A victim can drop charges, but the State (and in particular, the Prosecutor's Office) will decide whether to move forward with the case or drop the charges.

Hahahaha and the state will often not follow through with charges after a woman backs out.

But yeah she's an amazing person... Makes you wonder why he was with her. Great choice in people to surround yourself with.

[bulldog]

Hahahaha and the state will often not follow through with charges after a woman backs out.


But yeah she's an amazing person... Makes you wonder why he was with her. Great choice in people to surround yourself with. Not what it says here: http://family.findlaw.com/domestic-violence/the-recanting-victim-and-domestic-violence.html


Moving Forward Without the Victim's Cooperation
Just because a victim no longer wishes to cooperate doesn't mean the case gets dropped. Unlike a private lawsuit between two parties, criminal cases (http://litigation.findlaw.com/filing-a-lawsuit/civil-cases-vs-criminal-cases-key-differences.html) like domestic violence are prosecuted by a district attorney's office. Therefore, the case against the defendant will continue even if the victim recants previous statements, assuming the prosecutor has enough other evidence available to support the charges. Other evidence of the crime might include:


Police reports
Photographs of injuries or property damage
Audio or video recordings, including 911 calls
Statements or threats made on social media
Medical records
Eyewitness accounts

- See more at: http://family.findlaw.com/domestic-violence/the-recanting-victim-and-domestic-violence.html#sthash.U68kHJ7L.dpuf


Dang Townie you have always been about links and proving the facts...you are slippin man :lol: First I prove Tito was never charged with domestic violence, I post pics of her elbow injury, prove Tito has never failed a drug test, even shows how he was voted #1 coach of TUF. Now domestic violence. I have been through this and know for a fact a person can still be prosecuted. I went to visit a old friend in NM and while at his house he got drunk and started beating up his girl. I got involved and stopped it, but the police came anyways. The girl stated he did not hit her and that I was lying. Well they didn't care even when she cried that he didn't hit her (she had a welt on her face they could see), and they hauled him off to jail and I was called to testify...he was charged with domestic violence and sent to jail for months! I did not even need to testify as their was enough evidence even without me.....

EDIT: Ok I now see you stated "often not" so I guess you do agree they will continue with charges in some cases. Tito's case was looked into and they found that Jenna was a liar and never prosecuted him. Plus look at the pics....a lame elbow brace and that is what happened to her from one of the most dangerous men on this planet. Now you want to talk wrong go google "War Machine" and what he did to his porn GF Christy Mack....now that was bad!

Also, here is his new girl....Model Amber Nichole Miller
http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/tito-ortiz-amber-nichole-miller.jpg
http://larrybrownsports.com/mma/tito-ortiz-girlfriend-model-amber-nichole-miller/225851 <- Some hot pics of her here....definitely a upgrade from Jenna

[#1Townie]

If the state can't get a hold of the victim they can not follow up charges. Simple as that. That is in any case. Well beside murder but that comes back to needing a body for the murder case.

Yes of course the state can press charges but it becomes a waste of time and money so why go any further?

You never answered me about if he's so stand up why he hung out with such trash. Also why is it that anyone who seems to get close to him hates him?

Just saying bro. Your guy looks like a fuck bag.

Why has he backed out of so many fights? I mean he challenged Dana and didn't follow through.

Truth is you are just upset because you don't understand business. Its just business. Jones made a image and has now messed that up. Now its time to flip that script and create another. Its a never ending story and is part of why you pay managers and publicists.

It so simple. I mean really? A religious man who just happens to be amazing at beating the shit out of people. Lol!!! Come on bro.

[bulldog]

If the state can't get a hold of the victim they can not follow up charges. Simple as that. That is in any case. Well beside murder but that comes back to needing a body for the murder case.

Yes of course the state can press charges but it becomes a waste of time and money so why go any further?

You never answered me about if he's so stand up why he hung out with such trash. Also why is it that anyone who seems to get close to him hates him?

Just saying bro. Your guy looks like a fuck bag.

Why has he backed out of so many fights? I mean he challenged Dana and didn't follow through.

Truth is you are just upset because you don't understand business. Its just business. Jones made a image and has now messed that up. Now its time to flip that script and create another. Its a never ending story and is part of why you pay managers and publicists.

It so simple. I mean really? A religious man who just happens to be amazing at beating the shit out of people. Lol!!! Come on bro.
Yup, and there was enough evidence that Jenna lied and the case was dropped. You think a elbow brace like that is domestic violence....like Jones, every saw through this and knew she was lying.

What about my question? Where are all these failed drug tests you say he had? I find none!

As for your question, what does it matter he choose that girl. The fact is he saw a different person in her and when she is sober she is super smart (she has made the most money in the porno industry and basically not from her but her investments). She was sober and a good person and he claimed in his book she is not like people think; as long as she is off the herion...he is real and gave her a chance and even married her. So why hasn't Jon Jones got married to the girl of this THREE kids? Since we are answering questions. :lol:

Naw man I know people who have met and trained with Tito that say he is a great guy. So YOU may see the media Tito, but I have people I trust that know him and swear he is a great person...same with Chael Sonnen. Then I made my own decision after watching every episode of TUF he coached; and read his autobiography. So as you can see I make my judegements based on knowledge.

See I think you are mad because you truly do not know Jones or his history; you said yourself you do not even watch UFC since Broc left and after that was when Jones blew up ,so how could you know? Do you know the details on his DUI? Do you know the details how during his DUI he was already on a suspended license and how he was with two women at 5am? I base things on my own decision and I am far from a person who goes along with others. The fact is Tito was not a greatest person, but he came out as the Bad Boy and everyone knew that was what he was; he was real enough to act himself and tell Dana white F*ck you when nobody else would. Yet I do not see why people hate on him as I have not seen anything he has done that bad.

Yes Tito pulled out of a boxing match with Dana White because it was dumb...Tito is a professional fighter and Dana had a bit of boxing lessons....it was more of a joke for him, but Dana thought it wa serious because I guess he doesn't get thje skill of his own fighters. Tito scared of Dana White...hilarious!

Again, Tito has pulled out of fights because he has major neck and back issues! heck I even posted the video of the neck fusion surgery he had that clearly showed he had that at same time he was supposed to fight Chuck...where you claim he was scared. I highly doubt Tito is scared of anyone to fight...especially Chuck who he fought at least three times......actually he just fought Stephan Bonner a few months back in Bellator and won! Did you even see that?

Then you keeop talking about a business and they have to promote themselves, but the fact is UFC no longer allows sponsors in the ring and endorsements are all based on rank now! So doesn't matter what a person is like now as it is all based on ranks of how much sponsorship money they get now...starts in July, but nobody is signing new deals....therefore it doesn't matter what they portray now....this ain't WWE. Who doesn't get the UFC business!


What about the fights on Sunday? Got anything to say on that....another UFC circus match where they are seeing a guy up to win do they make money from Ireland. You know about this????

[#1Townie]

The only part I'm going to get into is the me being mad. Let me clear that up. I'm not mad about Jones or Ortiz. I couldnt care less about either.

No a single celebrity on the face of this planet means anything to me. If they died I wouldnt care. If they did bad I wouldn't care. If they did great things I still wouldn't care.

No fighters. No athletes what so ever mean a damn thing to me and my life. Hell my favorite thing to watch on TV is hockey. I couldn't tell you who half the guys are on my favorite team.

Why? Because I just don't. They wouldn't be there to help me. They would stop if my car was broke down. They wouldn't lift a finger for me in any situation. And for that. Fuck em. Why give them my emotions?

I will get to the rest of your post later. Probably tomorrow. Its been a really long as day and work is really fucking me over.

But just so you know I was just talking to talk. We haven't had shit on the forum in months. You gave me a thread to debate about. Honestly man Jones could lose his whole career and I wouldnt even read the article about it. Lol. Tito could become the governor of California and in would still make fun of him for getting spanked in the cage. Lol

[bulldog]

The only part I'm going to get into is the me being mad. Let me clear that up. I'm not mad about Jones or Ortiz. I couldnt care less about either.

No a single celebrity on the face of this planet means anything to me. If they died I wouldnt care. If they did bad I wouldn't care. If they did great things I still wouldn't care.

No fighters. No athletes what so ever mean a damn thing to me and my life. Hell my favorite thing to watch on TV is hockey. I couldn't tell you who half the guys are on my favorite team.

Why? Because I just don't. They wouldn't be there to help me. They would stop if my car was broke down. They wouldn't lift a finger for me in any situation. And for that. Fuck em. Why give them my emotions?

I will get to the rest of your post later. Probably tomorrow. Its been a really long as day and work is really fucking me over.

But just so you know I was just talking to talk. We haven't had shit on the forum in months. You gave me a thread to debate about. Honestly man Jones could lose his whole career and I wouldnt even read the article about it. Lol. Tito could become the governor of California and in would still make fun of him for getting spanked in the cage. Lol
:up: Same with me man; I really could care less about any celeb either and was just good to have some action on the board; Tito ain't even one of my favorite fighters :lol: I think we both know we like to argue and blow off some time, so no hard feeling on my end man. The funny part is the reason I do chat with you is because you are not fake; at least to me. I know when I am chatting with Townie I get Townie and not a guy trying to impress others with their posts, just a guy like me that doesn't follow the crowd and will stick up for our beliefs even if it pisses people off.


The only celeb that has ever been cool to me is Brendan Schaub, but that is because I know his brother (only reason I get that chance to know him and listen to his podcast weekly: #1 Sport Podcast on Itunes). People hate on him, but Brendan and his brother are cool people. I figured Brendan was going to be this stuck up guy, but then I met him and saw total opposite. Getting to know him has shown me MMA fighters can be some of the coolest people even though they may be some of the toughest. I try to not base a book on it's cover now...if you know what I mean.

[Vitesse]

I can't believe this news hasn't hit the board yet. Or does everyone consider this topic beaten to death?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/anderson-silva-tests-positive-for-steroids-nick-diaz-for-marijuana/ar-AA8XnMx

[#1Townie]

LETS GET IT ON!

[bulldog]

I can't believe this news hasn't hit the board yet. Or does everyone consider this topic beaten to death?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/anderson-silva-tests-positive-for-steroids-nick-diaz-for-marijuana/ar-AA8XnMx
Wow, somehow I missed this! I figured Nick would test positive for Marijuana as he always does and does not care; he basically came out of retirement for a big pay day and he got that. Now Anderson on steroids is sad because I consider him one of, if not the greatest, fighter ever. I do not think he has ever been caught for steroids so this is huge news. After Saturday’s fight it sounded like he was thinking of retiring anyways so I bet both these guys just didn’t care what they got caught for as they both know their careers are at an end.

What annoys me is UFC seems to keep knowing about this and allows it…so they can make money. I am sad to say the organization I love so much is turning more and more into a WWE show.


EDIT: Yup just as I thought: "Silva had never before tested positive for a banned substance in his nearly 18-year career."

[~Barn~]

I can't believe this news hasn't hit the board yet. Or does everyone consider this topic beaten to death?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/anderson-silva-tests-positive-for-steroids-nick-diaz-for-marijuana/ar-AA8XnMx

There are members on this forum, who would probably test positive for both! :lol:

[bulldog]

I do think:

Marijuana = not a performance enhancing sport drug
Steriods = a major performance enhacing sport drug

Yet do I think Nick could beat Annderson....although it was a close fight on Sat

Vitesse, you watch UFC? Some of us get together for the UFC PPV events so if ever interested hit me up/

[Vitesse]

I do think:

Vitesse, you watch UFC? Some of us get together for the UFC PPV events so if ever interested hit me up/

I do. I feel like the cards got a little boring last year, probably because it seems like they have a new UFC event every weekend now, but lately the main event cards have improved. I thought UFC 182 was a good fight night.

[bulldog]

I do. I feel like the cards got a little boring last year, probably because it seems like they have a new UFC event every weekend now, but lately the main event cards have improved. I thought UFC 182 was a good fight night. I agree and all these cards make it hard to follow; at least most of them are free. I miss the days where we had like 1 card a month, but it was stacked with sick fights. UFC 182 was good; even though I was really hoping Cormier won that one, but once again Jon broke another fighter; I swear I could almost see the point where Cormier broke and his face changed. Cerrone is one of my favorites so that fight was awesome too. Could have had more finishes, but I guess that happens with such talent.

So what you think of this Silva testing positive for the first time in his 18 year career? One part of me wants to say he only did this because he was coming back from a awful leg injury and did it to heal faster; steriods and HGH are known to heal faster. Unless for 18 years he was able to beat these tests, but I guess he does fight a lot in Brazil where there is no testing. Vegas and CA are known to have the toughest testing.

Hit me up (PM) if you are ever down to watch UFC together. I am always down to pitch in and just buy the fights if we can get a few guys to pitch in. Next one is Feb 28th...Weidman fight got cancelled on that one so now Ronda vs Cat is headliner. I think Cat may be able to do it; plus a local Denver gal

[bulldog]

Looks like Anderson Silva is claiming this has to be wrong and is requesting a confirmation test:

"Anderson told me he’s disappointed, upset because he didn’t use steroids," Dr. Tannure told Band News radio (http://bandnewsfm.band.uol.com.br/Noticia.aspx?COD=741315&Tipo=232). "He will ask for the confirmation test because he believes the only explanation is a contamination or a mistake from the lab. He told me: ‘I have an impeccable career history and I wouldn’t want to tarnish my image.’
http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/4/7976401/dr-marcio-tannure-anderson-silva-disappointed-and-upset-but-claims

[#1Townie]

Just because YOU don't consider something as controlled doesn't mean its not. Pot can help kill pain. Isn't that one of the amazing things about it?

So one guy has to work through the pain and another guy can cheat it? How about pills? Would be okay if a guy trained on pills?

And with that why not let them full on cheat?

But really I'm guessing Anderson got one of those protein shakes that's been getting so many guys busted. Seems a lot of them have goten nailed from getting random shakes at gnc. Or so the excuse is.

http://speedendurance.com/2009/01/22/the-fear-of-athletic-supplement-contamination/

[bulldog]

Just because YOU don't consider something as controlled doesn't mean its not. Pot can help kill pain. Isn't that one of the amazing things about it?

So one guy has to work through the pain and another guy can cheat it? How about pills? Would be okay if a guy trained on pills?

And with that why not let them full on cheat?

But really I'm guessing Anderson got one of those protein shakes that's been getting so many guys busted. Seems a lot of them have goten nailed from getting random shakes at gnc. Or so the excuse is.

http://speedendurance.com/2009/01/22/the-fear-of-athletic-supplement-contamination/ I see your point and I guess it can help with pain, but you know when you compete pain takes a backseat to "adrenaline". I've been in fights and swore I never got hit till I looked and saw the welts; seriously never felt the hits though. So yeah I am sure this is why pot is on the banned list, but IMO it is nowhere near steroids in comparison to performance enhancing.

Do you agree that steroids would be a greater performance enhancing than pot?

As for Anderson making excuses I guess it could be, but seeing as he is one of thee greatest and never was caught in 18 years kind of makes me believe maybe there was a mix up. Anderson has fought way tougher opponents than Nick Diaz when he defended his belt 10 times in a row so would be a huge shocker to find out he was doing steroids this entire time. Should be interesting to see how this goes down, but sounds like he will get suspended if the follow up shows same results.

[#1Townie]

I would argue its much easier to train harder if you have some sort of pain killer flowing in your system to help you push harder.

If one is going to be accepted than you may as well accept all of them. Just saying.

[bulldog]

I would argue its much easier to train harder if you have some sort of pain killer flowing in your system to help you push harder.

If one is going to be accepted than you may as well accept all of them. Just saying.
Hey they broke the rules and knew they were breaking them, so I am not defending them.


Like I said I hope this comes out and clears Silva, but if he actually did steroids then he should be suspended. This is not a sport where people hit a baseball, it is a sport where you hit another man and cheating in that case is worse.


I only defend Silva because he is saying this is wrong and following his career for 18 years has shown me he is one of the nicest, most humble guy in the sport. I honestly do not think I have ever heard him say a negative thing even when a guy like Chael Sonnen was ripping him apart saying his people are so poor in Brazil they play in the mud. Yet if he cheated he deserves a punishment as he knew it was against the rules and decided to risk it.

[~Barn~]

Anybody going to the event in Broomfield next Saturday, to watch Brandon 'Rukus' Thatch take it to Benson Henderson (amongst other fights on the card...) ?

[Jmetz]

Yet do I think Nick could beat Annderson....although it was a close fight on Sat

Seriously? Silva owned Nick from start to finish and Nick knew it. IMO

[bulldog]

Seriously? Silva owned Nick from start to finish and Nick knew it. IMO Huh? Even Dana White said that Nick won some of those rounds even though he was not awarded them. There was little action so I couldn't really say Silva owned Nick; he could not even finish it and went the full 5 rounds.

Nick knew it? You didn't see the post fight interview then where he clearly states he thought he won. I do feel Silva won, but when you went to the cards it was a close fight; especially considering that nobody really knows how MMA is truly scored; a takedown counts as a point, but a takedown defense does not...weird and nobody gets it as this scoring was mainly for boxing....Nick went all over this after fight...you must have been drunk again Josh :lol:

EDIT: Josh sorry I just realized I made a typing error. I meant I didn't think Nick could beat Silva, but was a close fight. My bad

[Jmetz]

The fight I watched wasn't close in my book. Admittedly I don't really follow the UFC a whole lot but that fight was all Silva. It wasn't owned like "pwned" but Silva had Nicks number and Nick couldn't really gain any ground. I say Nick knew it because several times he just stopped fighting and taunted Silva. This to me showed that he knew he had nothing else. I didn't see the post fight interview but I wouldn't expect him to say he knew he was losing. :lol:

[bulldog]

The fight I watched wasn't close in my book. Admittedly I don't really follow the UFC a whole lot but that fight was all Silva. It wasn't owned like "pwned" but Silva had Nicks number and Nick couldn't really gain any ground. I say Nick knew it because several times he just stopped fighting and taunted Silva. This to me showed that he knew he had nothing else. I didn't see the post fight interview but I wouldn't expect him to say he knew he was losing. :lol:

Hope you saw me "edit" because I made a trying error. Only one man can beat Silva and that is the champ Weidman.

Naw I know what you mean and Silva was awarded all 5 rounds. I guess I think of Silva owning someone like in the Forest Girffin fight where he played with him then pretty much knocked him out easily. I actually thought Nick did better than I expected as I thought Silva would go in an destroy him. Not sure if Silva was playing it safe because of his leg, or if Nick really did keep pushing him.

Yeah Nick always makes excuses but he went off how h thought he won and how he pushed forward the entire time. Then went on to say how he doesn't understand the judging. Although to be fair Nick was actually very respectful after to Anderson and vice versa. I actually couldn't stop laughing when Anderson was on his back crying after he won and Nick came up and started slapping him to get up and how it was ok and to stop crying. :lol:

Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKylVe2z0fg

[bulldog]

Anderson put out this statement:

"I have not taken any performance-enhancing drugs. My stance on drugs is, and will always be, the same. I’m an advocate for a clean sport.

"I’m consulting with my advisors right now to explore all of my options and intend to fight this allegation and clear my name. I will not make any further comments until my team advises me to do so."

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/4/7981417/anderson-silva-i-have-not-take-any-performance-enhancing-drugs

[bulldog]

OMG, came across this hilarious Daniel Cormier video I had to share :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0CfNA12aFw#t=60

[#1Townie]

OMG, came across this hilarious Daniel Cormier video I had to share :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0CfNA12aFw#t=60

Good god I would hang myself if I was him.

[bulldog]

Good god I would hang myself if I was him. :spit: Daniel is a funny guy....I used to not care for the guy but I have come to really like him.

I loved the video and laughed the entire time. Daniel has had issues with dropping weight in past and it even messed up his chances in the Olympics, so it has been a running joke about him being fat; awesome he can make fun of himself.

[#1Townie]

Statement still stands. Lol




But Popeye's does have some good spicy chicken.

[bulldog]

Best wife ever!

She did not only buy us sick seats to the UFC in Broomfield, but also got us a nice room at Aloft across the street from the arena. What a great time! Main fight was awesome and the energy of crowd was crazy!

Anyone else go? I actually liked this better than the Pepsi Center since it is a smaller venue and the seats were way better. Card could have been better, but at least they pulled in Ben Henderson.

[bulldog]

Well guess this champ just cannot stay out of trouble; hit a car, decided to leave scene, sent a pregnant woman to hospital, came back for cash he left in car, bounced again......and forget his marijuana pipe in the car.

Here we go again :D

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/witnesses-ufc-champ-ran-crash-returned-grab-cash-165952510--spt.html

Witnesses: UFC champ ran from crash, returned to grab cash


ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — UFC light heavyweight champion Jon "Bones" Jones ran from a Sunday crash that hospitalized a pregnant woman but quickly came back to grab "a large handful of cash" from the car, witnesses told police.



According to police, the accident occurred in southeastern Albuquerque just before noon Sunday when the driver of a rental Silver SUV ran a red light. The driver, whom an off-duty officer identified as Jones, ran from the scene but then returned for the cash before fleeing again, police said.
"Witnesses stated he shoved the cash into his pants and ran north," the report said
Albuquerque Officer Simon Drobik said authorities are searching for Jones, who's wanted for questioning, but he has not been located. No charges have been filed.
A woman driving the other vehicle received minor injuries in the crash.
Officers found a pipe with marijuana in the car as well as MMA and rental car documents in Jones' name, the report said.
Police said they have been unable to reach Jones or his lawyer.
His agent, Malki Kawa, did not immediately respond to an email from The Associated Press.
Jones (21-1) is scheduled to defend his title against Anthony "Rumble" Johnson at UFC 187 in Las Vegas on May 23, headlining one of the promotion's biggest shows of the year.
"We are in the process of gathering facts and will reserve further comment until more information is available," the UFC said in a statement.
Although he is widely considered the world's best pound-for-pound mixed martial artist, Jones has endured legal problems and questionable behavior as champion.
Jones was arrested in 2012 after crashing his Bentley into a telephone pole in Binghamton, New York. He had his driver's license suspended after being charged with DWI, but did no jail time.
Last August, Jones and challenger Daniel Cormier were involved in a brawl in the lobby of the MGM Grand casino while appearing at a promotional event. Jones was fined $50,000 and ordered to do community service by the Nevada Athletic Commission.
In early December, Jones tested positive for metabolites of cocaine while training for his bout. Jones was allowed to compete because the test was conducted out of competition, and he beat Cormier at UFC 182.
When the failed drug test became public, Jones publicly apologized for a "mistake," but spent just one day in a drug rehabilitation center before checking himself out.
Jones has defended his belt eight times since becoming the youngest champion in UFC history in March 2011.
Jones is a native of upstate New York, but lives in New Mexico and works under prominent local trainer Greg Jackson. Jones has two brothers who play in the NFL.
Albuquerque is a hub for MMA fighters who train at Jackson's gym and use the city's high altitude to prepare for bouts.

[#1Townie]

HANG HIM!!! Where's my pitchfork?


We need something better to argue about. This is old.

[bulldog]

HANG HIM!!! Where's my pitchfork?


We need something better to argue about. This is old. Well just got released today/yesterday though :dunno: Just showing a pattern of how this guy truly is :D

Not sure what is funnier the fact he has bashed and tattled on people who smoke weed and he got caught with a weed pipe (after leaving the scene of a accident), or funnier that he was dumb enough to go back for his cash but not the weed pipe. I wonder if he needed that cash for.....cocaine :lol:

[#1Townie]

Well just got released today/yesterday though :dunno: Just showing a pattern of how this guy truly is :D

Not sure what is funnier the fact he has bashed and tattled on people who smoke weed and he got caught with a weed pipe (after leaving the scene of a accident), or funnier that he was dumb enough to go back for his cash but not the weed pipe. I wonder if he needed that cash for.....cocaine :lol:

How do you know it was his weed pipe? Maybe it was a passengers.

[bulldog]

How do you know it was his weed pipe? Maybe it was a passengers. True, but doesn't the driver assume responsibility? Also the undercover officer that saw him run away did not say there was anyone else :dunno:

[#1Townie]

True, but doesn't the driver assume responsibility? Also the undercover officer that saw him run away did not say there was anyone else :dunno:

And? What if someone put it in there? Any proof that this said weed pipe is his? How about the fact he didn't piss dirty for pot only cocaine. So Ummmm. Yeah. Not sure I buy the weed pipe being his.

[bulldog]

And? What if someone put it in there? Any proof that this said weed pipe is his? How about the fact he didn't piss dirty for pot only cocaine. So Ummmm. Yeah. Not sure I buy the weed pipe being his. I swore that was not a valid excuses for a police officer though. If not anyone could claim it was not theirs and then would be let off.

And are we discounting he left the scene of a accident and sent a pregnant woman to hospital also. Could his reasoning maybe be he was DUI....reason most people leave scene :dunno: And if not it is still pretty crappy to leave the scene

[Grim2.0]

Coke, week, alcohol......fuck that stuff I prefer Speed, that shit gets the job DONE!


you would think with Nate being such a muscle head he'd be into the juice more than weed but different strokes for different folks I guess. You get some speed in your system you are lifting a car off the ground with your DICK withinthe first 5 minutes....food for thought.

[#1Townie]

I swore that was not a valid excuses for a police officer though. If not anyone could claim it was not theirs and then would be let off.

And are we discounting he left the scene of a accident and sent a pregnant woman to hospital also. Could his reasoning maybe be he was DUI....reason most people leave scene :dunno: And if not it is still pretty crappy to leave the scene

I said hang him. How much more do you want?

[bulldog]

I said hang him. How much more do you want? Nothing really, just thought people would discuss it more, but nobody posts on CSC anymore

The only thing that bothers me is I bet this will stop the fight Jones has against Anthony Johnson and I was really looking forward to that one because I think Anthony has the power to knock out Jones. I so hope it goes on still!!!!

[#1Townie]

Coke, week, alcohol......fuck that stuff I prefer Speed, that shit gets the job DONE!


you would think with Nate being such a muscle head he'd be into the juice more than weed but different strokes for different folks I guess. You get some speed in your system you are lifting a car off the ground with your DICK withinthe first 5 minutes....food for thought.

Get off that ice brah.

[Grim2.0]

Get off that ice brah.

Dont tell me what to do

[#1Townie]

Nothing really, just thought people would discuss it more, but nobody posts on CSC anymore

The only thing that bothers me is I bet this will stop the fight Jones has against Anthony Johnson and I was really looking forward to that one because I think Anthony has the power to knock out Jones. I so hope it goes on still!!!!

The show must go on!!

Yeah I tried to argue a point but I don't have anymore. Lol. He's proper fucked on this one.

[~Barn~]

What a drag he hasn't been able to get his life under control. I'm sure the UFC will help him, but I'm guessing a couple years of his career are about ready to get flushed. I was really holding out hope on the guy.... oh well.

[Captain Obvious]

I bet this will stop the fight Jones has against Anthony Johnson and I was really looking forward to that one because I think Anthony has the power to knock out Jones. I so hope it goes on still!!!!

I thought of this thread all day as I was getting notices about the updates to the story, hahaha. Screw me once, shame on you.

And I agree, was REALLY hoping to see the Jones-Johnson fight. Do hope Jones doesn't get suspended etc and have to give up his belt. I wanted him to lose it to someone in the ring, not on a forfeit of his belt. I was also hoping for a Gustaf rematch.

[bulldog]

I thought of this thread all day as I was getting notices about the updates to the story, hahaha. Screw me once, shame on you.

And I agree, was REALLY hoping to see the Jones-Johnson fight. Do hope Jones doesn't get suspended etc and have to give up his belt. I wanted him to lose it to someone in the ring, not on a forfeit of his belt. I was also hoping for a Gustaf rematch. Yeah just goes to show he should have got help when they put him in rehab instead of brushing it off because it seems like he does have a problem, but was not ready to deal with it. So sad because he may be one of the best fighters ever and like you said I wanted to see him lose the belt to someone in the ring. I guess we will see what happens, but I read the police report and an off duty officer clearly identified him (officer was a UFC fan) and since the pregnant woman broke a wrist it was elevated to a felony hit and run. Not even sure how the marijuana and the pipe is going to factor into this and if that means he will get a drug test too. Even so not sure he can get off with the marijuana stuff since it was in the car he rented and there were no passengers.

Him leaving the scene makes me think he was either drunk or high and did not want to be caught this way. Who knows maybe he just got scared, but still not sure why he ran back to the car for a bunch of cash as Jones has to be worth millions. And why you grab cash and not the drugs in the car :dunno:

I hope the Jones vs Johnson fights still goes on, but so far it does not look good L

[#1Townie]

Yeah just goes to show he should have got help when they put him in rehab instead of brushing it off because it seems like he does have a problem, but was not ready to deal with it. So sad because he may be one of the best fighters ever and like you said I wanted to see him lose the belt to someone in the ring. I guess we will see what happens, but I read the police report and an off duty officer clearly identified him (officer was a UFC fan) and since the pregnant woman broke a wrist it was elevated to a felony hit and run. Not even sure how the marijuana and the pipe is going to factor into this and if that means he will get a drug test too. Even so not sure he can get off with the marijuana stuff since it was in the car he rented and there were no passengers.

Him leaving the scene makes me think he was either drunk or high and did not want to be caught this way. Who knows maybe he just got scared, but still not sure why he ran back to the car for a bunch of cash as Jones has to be worth millions. And why you grab cash and not the drugs in the car :dunno:

I hope the Jones vs Johnson fights still goes on, but so far it does not look good L

Well to be honest I don't see him getting in a whole lot of trouble. They won't be able to prove he was intoxicated. At best they can get him for fleeing the scene of a injury accident. Or whatever the law is in the state this took place. Either way his lawyer will get that beat way down after they pay the pregnant lady off.

In the end it will be like nothing ever happened. Just like every other celeb.

[bulldog]

Picture of Jones rental was just released. Seems like a pretty big wreck from pic
https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/O8M4hwW3rEUz04ETEx3Uxtvu20g=/0x401:2105x1804/709x473/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/46225280/20150427_221400-1.0.0.jpg

[#1Townie]

Need to see the other vehicle.

[~Barn~]

:lol: This guy doesn't need a striking or grappling coach, he needs a driving instructor!

[Captain Obvious]

:lol: This guy doesn't need a striking or grappling coach, he needs a driving instructor!

LOL!

So I guess he won't be renting with Avis again huh? Also interesting is the 2012 event caused interlock devices to be on his personal vehicles. Wonder if that doesn't apply to rentals or is no longer required for him (i assume probation expired).

[bulldog]

:lol: This guy doesn't need a striking or grappling coach, he needs a driving instructor! Heck just a chauffeur is all they need. Don't get why these rich guys even take the chance to drive that way when they could kick back and let someone else do that. I bet for cheap Jones could get a person to drive him around; maybe even for free just to hang with him. I'd of done it as a young guy.

[Captain Obvious]

Net worth @ $10 million, she is gonna get PAID for that busted wrist.

[#1Townie]

Net worth @ $10 million, she is gonna get PAID for that busted wrist.

That accident is about to become the best thing to ever happen to her or her baby. Just saying.

A rich bastard can crash into me anytime. Lol

[Captain Obvious]

A rich bastard can crash into me anytime. Lol


Yep. Whiplash, whiplash everybody whiplash. Oh lordy Jesus! Hold your neck junior.

[bulldog]

Jon Jones stripped of UFC title, and suspended indefinitely (http://mmajunkie.com/2015/04/jon-jones-stripped-of-ufc-title-cormier-meets-johnson-for-vacant-belt-at-ufc-187)

Looks like Daniel Cormier has now been given the shot against Anthony Johnson for the title. Should still be a good fight and think it was the right people to give the shot to; obviously Johnson already had the title shot.

Sad that this is how Jones lost his belt. Although a part of me understands he had many chances and decided continue on his path which led to this. Sucks for such a great fighter to lose out to himself. Hopefully he gets it back together and comes back.

[Captain Obvious]

Agreed on how he lost his title being crappy, but if I am UFC, then I strip him faster than a a fat kid eating cake. "Go focus on your legal and personal issues, we will be here when you get your life squared away". I give them credit for doing it.

Bulldog, so here is the question, should it really be Cormier or should it be Gustaf? Comparing the two, I think Gustaf had a better showing and was much closer to beating JJ. I would rather it be Johnson -- Gustafsson.

But I guess Johnson did just beat Gustaf already.

[bulldog]

Agreed on how he lost his title being crappy, but if I am UFC, then I strip him faster than a a fat kid eating cake. "Go focus on your legal and personal issues, we will be here when you get your life squared away". I give them credit for doing it.

Bulldog, so here is the question, should it really be Cormier or should it be Gustaf? Comparing the two, I think Gustaf had a better showing and was much closer to beating JJ. I would rather it be Johnson -- Gustafsson.

I am actually surprised UFC did this as I always consider their primary motive is money for them; based on their past. I think it was the right thing to do though and Jones was given a lot of chances and it just blew up in UFC’s face….think they set up that rehab last time that Jones checked out in 24hrs. A lot has been done to help the guy so at this point he needs to make the decision for himself and I am sure losing his title may be the wake up call he needs.

I do feel that Gustaf came closer to beating Jones; I actually still think Jones lost that fight. The problem is Gustaf’s last fight was already to Anthony Johnson; Johnson KO’d Gustaf in first round back in January so to make a rematch doesn’t make as much sense as throwing DC in there; since we have never seen them fight. I am sure Gustaf will get the winner of these two though.


Edit: Ninja's by your edit :lol:

[#1Townie]

So is it fair to strip him of something before a conviction?

[Nolan]

When is life fair?

[#1Townie]

When is life fair?

Well true. But we know nothing really at this point.

[bulldog]

So is it fair to strip him of something before a conviction?

I am sure UFC was put into a position where they had to do something because nearly every major network is covering this and adding how this cannot be allowed.

Also on April 10th 2013 they put into effect a “Fighter’s Code Of Conduct” that states (and believe every fighter had to sign):
"Fighters shall conduct themselves in accordance with commonly accepted standards of decency, social convention, and morals, and fighters will not commit any act or become involved in any situation or occurrence or make any statement which will reflect negatively upon or bring disrepute, contempt, scandal, ridicule or disdain to the fighter or the UFC."


https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/4qnvzptzpc2arbye/images/2-dde1f43eff.jpg

Full contract here https://canadianmmalawblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/ufc-code-of-conduct.pdf


Also I believe Jones met with Dana White yesterday and admitted to what he did; details were not disclosed.

[Captain Obvious]

So is it fair to strip him of something before a conviction?

Townie. I was thinking about that. What would my boss do if I had something like this happen. Well, based on asking "what if" scenarios in the past to my bosses, and my current management role, I would expect that I would likely be removed from my active projects. Requested to go to treatment. Not fired, but suspended from active duties until I could show that the legal / personal issues are either mitigated or resolved. Note, I am in corporate America and not the face of my organization, but certain steps seem reasonable. That is sort of what they have done to him. He isn't out of the UFC, just suspended so that the weight class can continue to evolve. The weight class shouldn't stop waiting for him to return.

So in this case I would say yes. he now has legal issues that seem to be a pattern of behavior. Clearly legal and some on the personal health perspective.

[madvlad]

He's fucked up a lot lately and they gave him chances. Unreal that after having it all, just threw it away. Damn shame :no:

[~Barn~]

Let us not forget that he's just a kid living a privileged and very "public" life that none of us can understand, even if we think we could put ourselves into his shoes. Most young adults are arrogant, entitled and ultimately "selfish" to sum it up simply. Inject into that a demeanor required of a "corporate figurehead", "World Champion prize fighter", not to mention a personal life behind closed doors, and then fold in a heavy dose of multi-millionaire, and yeah... Reality can get very blurry, very quickly I imagine. I could realistically see myself losing my shit, if I were in his shoes.

A.) I'm glad he didn't kill anybody.
B.) I'm glad he didn't kill anybody.
C.) I'm glad the UFC has done what it has.
D.) I hope he gets better and comes back to reclaim his career's work, once he sorts his "personal" out. He's only 27.

[madvlad]

Hope he can bounce back cause dude that's a damn shame.

[bulldog]

I doubt he will get this, but I am pretty shocked that this severe a penalty is being talked about; although I am sure it is because he had a prior DUI he plead guilty to and had other legal troubles in past.

Legal Analyst Says Jon Jones Could Face Three Years in Prison (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/legal-analyst-says-jon-jones-could-face-three-221901798--mma.html)

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jone (http://www.mmaweekly.com/tag/jon-jones)s’ legal troubles stemming from his alleged involvement in a felony hit-and-run accident that resulted in injuries to a pregnant motorist could carry serious consequences.

The April 26 incident in Albuquerque, N.M. has already cost Jones his belt, a suspension, and endorsement deals, but the legal aspect of the situation could be far worse than what he's already faced from a career standpoint.
The universally considered top pound-for-pound fighter in the world appeared before Judge Maria Dominguez in an Albuquerque court (http://www.mmaweekly.com/video-full-jon-jones-hit-and-run-court-appearance) on Tuesday, but wasn’t required to enter a plea to the charges against him.
Fox Sports 1 legal analyst Rob Becker outlined a bleak prognosis for the 27-year-old’s court case during a recent edition of UFC Tonight.
“The next step is up to the prosecution. They have to decide whether to go in front of a Grand Jury and try to get an indictment. But given that it seems clear what this guy did, and there are so many witnesses to it, I think it’s inevitable that there will be an indictment,” he said.
Becker believes Jones’ legal team is likely trying to seek a plea bargain behind closed doors.
“I think behind the scenes what could be happing is his lawyers are trying to get a plea bargain with the prosecution,” said the legal analyst.

The seriousness of Jones’ alleged crimes became crystal-clear when Becker was asked what punishment the athlete can expect.
“I think he’ll get three years. Now, the judge could knock it down to two years for mitigating circumstances, but in order for that to happen he’s going to have to show that when he left the scene of the crime he didn’t think there was any reason why there would be a serious injury,” he said. “And considering he knocked the victim’s car into another car, that’s going to pretty difficult to do.”
The charge against Jones is Knowingly Leaving the Scene of an Accident Causing Bodily Harm or Death, which is a Third Degree Felony in New Mexico. A Third Degree Felony conviction can include sentencing of up to three years imprisonment in a state prison.
If Becker were representing Jones, he’d try to get a plea deal for as little times as possible and have Jones present his best case for why he allegedly left the scene of the accident.
“I would suggest that he try to get a plea bargain for as few years as possible, maybe a year, or a year and a half. And I would try to get him to stress whatever reasons he has for trying to say, ‘hey, I left the scene because I just didn’t think there was a big deal here.’”

[~Barn~]

I hope he does get sentenced to the three years, and serves a solid 18 months of it. If that doesn't put this boy on the straight and narrow, nothing will.

[madvlad]

This dude man, can't believe it... well time to pay for his fuck ups

[~Barn~]

Enjoy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNP8dvZVDo

[~Barn~]

And so it is written...

18 months of supervised probation.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/9/29/9415175/ufc-jon-jones-sentenced-18-months-probation-after-pleading-guilty-hit-and-run-mma-news

[#1Townie]

Hang him.

[mdub]

every one deserves a second chance.

[bulldog]

I wanted to be fair and post this as I was very impressed with Jon Jones newest interview. Everyone deserves a second chance and from this interview I am very excited to see him return.


https://youtu.be/dAcfjK6LZaU?t=2<---mods if you could please embed as it does not work for me; or I do not know the trick

Plus Jones be hitting the weights lately and can't wait to see how great he is now; fool was beating the best and partying all the time he says....imagine now.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/19/10/2E9785E300000578-3325137-Jon_Jones_shows_off_the_effects_of_his_seven_month _powerlifting_-a-4_1447929903202.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ufc/article-3325137/Jon-Jones-shows-dramatic-power-lifting-transformation-says-s-preparing-April-UFC-title-fight-Daniel-Cormier.html


P.S. He claims heavyweight division is next......can't wait!

[madvlad]

Jones is on a mission, seems like he learned his lesson. He's a good dude with immense talent. Can't wait to see him back

[#1Townie]

I still say hang him.

[Tiutis]

I too think he deserves a second chance. It would have been too bad and a waste of tremendous talent had he banned for good. However, I am not fully convinced he has changed as a person. Not sure if douchebagery/cockiness is still his top personality trait. Nonetheless, looking forward to seeing him fight again.
Perhaps he could learn a few things how to carry himself as the champion his sparring buddy Holly Holm does. You can be a famous and bad-ass fighter without the doucheness.

[j0ker]

I too think he deserves a second chance. It would have been too bad and a waste of tremendous talent had he banned for good. However, I am not fully convinced he has changed as a person. Not sure if douchebagery/cockiness is still his top personality trait. Nonetheless, looking forward to seeing him fight again.
Perhaps he could learn a few things how to carry himself as the champion his sparring buddy Holly Holm does. You can be a famous and bad-ass fighter without the doucheness.

Jones seems to completely respect Holms and the way she carries herself. I saw some comments he made about her recently and it surprised me that it was Jones making them. I hope some of that rubbed off on Jones, he has a lot of talent, but is still young and stupid.

[JKOL]

http://www.mmamania.com/2016/7/6/12115112/breaking-jon-jones-pulled-from-ufc-200-following-potential-usada-anti-doping-violation-mma

Wonder what it was this time. Does the USADA test for recreational drugs out of competition or only PEDs?

[bulldog]

http://www.mmamania.com/2016/7/6/12115112/breaking-jon-jones-pulled-from-ufc-200-following-potential-usada-anti-doping-violation-mma

Wonder what it was this time. Does the USADA test for recreational drugs out of competition or only PEDs? He got caught for PED's aka: steroids. He was tested for recreational drugs during his criminal probation so he wasn't caught for that, but a test done on June 16th by USADA (for the fight) showed he had a banned substance (rumor is two were found). There is a B sample they are testing now, but the odds it will be different are very slim, so appears Jones tried to cheat and was caught. If they hit him with two substances he will face a 4 year ban....2 if only one found....and less if he the commission goes with a deal. Guy has made some bad decisions and just continues to make them...sad as he is one of the greatest fighters

Jones claims he will be back, but who knows after that long. Bummer as I was looking forward to this fight.

Now Anderson Silva will face Daniel Cormier in Jones place!

[JKOL]

It is too bad because he is amazing in the octagon, but I can't imagine missing 4 years of his prime fighting age will be good for him. Of course that is assuming he can even stay away from trouble (I doubt he can) and stay focused on fighting and training with no fight for 2-4 years.

i can't imagine having worked so hard at something along with having some incredible natural ability, and not being able to avoid messing up.

[Captain Obvious]

Saw someone posed the question, and it bodes asking here for discussion. With all the drama and issues in mind, do you still consider him the GOAT? That is if you did before. Or should he remain in the discussion for GOAT?

[AOK303]

b sample showed same results as a sample
now we wait to see the ban

[bulldog]

Saw someone posed the question, and it bodes asking here for discussion. With all the drama and issues in mind, do you still consider him the GOAT? That is if you did before. Or should he remain in the discussion for GOAT? That is a tough question and one that has been debated in pro sports for a long time; Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Serena Williams, etc.

For me, I see that most pro athletes are on something to cheat and the extreme talent these athletes have demonstrated shows they are special. I would still consider Jones as one of the GOAT (greatest of all time) only because I feel so many other fighters have cheated most their career and the only reason we are seeing them caught now is because UFC went with the strict USADA testing; who is a separate entity of UFC so they have no stake in the tests. Pride fighting had some of the greatest fighters ever, but it has come out over the years that they never tested any fighters and they all knew this and took major advantage of it (coke and roids). So to discount Jones, would also be discounting all these others fighters that made a career in it.

Yet saying that, I feel Jones was an idiot for risking this as he has seen so many others caught recently that passed for years; Anderson Silva, Yoel Romero, Frank Mir, etc. So with his career in such jeopardy I am not sure why he would have done this as now it likely will be over and it would have been better to lose than this happening. All I can think is Jones was out for a while and figured he could continue to use the “supplements” he had used for years and be ok, but better USADA tests caught him. I find it hard to believe a fighter just takes whatever and then plays the “I had no idea” excuses as if this is a Sunday game of touch football….this is their career so if they are dumb enough to not monitor what they use, then they deserve to have consequences. Yet I am sure they know they are cheating and only go with this excuses because they hope the commission will be lenient on them.

Now I do feel bad for the pro athletes that are trying to be clean and having to compete with the “cheaters”. They have the toughest decision and that is to “sell out” and start cheating too, or get left behind by the players that can cheat and get away with it. I just don’t see PED’s ever going away in sports and it will always be how money can stay ahead of the testing and give a player the edge…..sad but true.


b sample showed same results as a sample
now we wait to see the ban

Yeah the B sample was the same…big surprise there :lol:

What I am unclear of is if he is facing a 2 or 4 year ban since the rumor is he tested positive for two substances. I thought it was 2 years for each supplement found, but I could be wrong. Guess we have to wait and see, but I doubt we will see Jones in sooner than two years back fighting.

[AOK303]

Yeah 2 substances found, I forget who also got caught recently earlier this year for a hormone that could be used for performance but it has to be mixed a certain way otherwise it just helps repair skin, and it was proven he was doing it to fix his face, he got a 6month ban

i want to know what he go caught with, and if its something that switched from ok to ban last July when they switched testing standards and upgraded the list

[~Barn~]

According to a couple of sources, it was an estrogen inhibitor. :dunno:

[bulldog]

Yeah 2 substances found, I forget who also got caught recently earlier this year for a hormone that could be used for performance but it has to be mixed a certain way otherwise it just helps repair skin, and it was proven he was doing it to fix his face, he got a 6month ban

i want to know what he go caught with, and if its something that switched from ok to ban last July when they switched testing standards and upgraded the list

Yeah what Barn said…..sources say it was an estrogen blocker. No surprise as this is what they use for a steroid post cycle because as your testosterone goes up, so does a person’s estrogen. So an estrogen blocker shows he was on steroids for a period of time and then got off in time to try to test clean….yet they caught the traces of a estrogen blocker. What I think is happening here is testing with USADA has just gotten better and they find new ways to detect substances that athletes were able to hide before. So really this makes me think Jones has always been on steroids and just got caught because of the better testing.

I think you may mean Chael Sonnen, but their excuses are crap and they all know they were cheating. Anderson Silva used some lame excuse that his friend gave him a “sexual enhancement” pill and that is why he tested positive…yeah right! They are all excuses they use when they get caught! Again, Anderson Silva being caught this late in his career is another sign that they were cheating and testing is just now catching them.

Heck look at the Brazilian champs! We went to them nearly ruling every division before this strict testing (especially in Brazil) to now there is none….well one now that Nunez won the belt from Misha on Sat. Fighters like Werdum, Aldo, RDA, Barao were all suspected of steroid for years, but could never be caught. Now that testing is stricter and no IV are allowed to rehydrate, we saw all these epic champs lose….coincidence….maybe, but seems a little to fishy.

[Captain Obvious]

Since the thread hasn't been touched since July, lets inflate the horse for round 3? 4?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattconnolly/2016/11/07/jon-jones-out-of-ufc-200-latest-news-and-rumors-on-failed-drug-test-suspension-cormiers-opponent/#189c58d49d3b

Can he be called the GOAT? Can he be a hall of famer? How long does he have left in his career?

[bulldog]

Since the thread hasn't been touched since July, lets inflate the horse for round 3? 4?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattconnolly/2016/11/07/jon-jones-out-of-ufc-200-latest-news-and-rumors-on-failed-drug-test-suspension-cormiers-opponent/#189c58d49d3b

Can he be called the GOAT? Can he be a hall of famer? How long does he have left in his career?


Yeah I was going to post this up, but figured CSC only cares about politics and guns nowadays…….so glad you did :up:

Well Jon Jones is only 29 right now, so he will be back in July 2017, which really is only 8 months from now. Considering some fighters take a 6 month break between fights for sure Jon will be back and will claim the title again. Skill wise I just don’t see anyone able to beat him and we really do not have any new 205 fighters that I see will stop him; Anthony Johnson is the only top 5 guy Jon has not already beat. They claimed ring rust when he fought OSP, but personally I felt it was more Jon being careful than ring rust; so if anything this off time will heal all his injuries and also give him the drive to come back hard!

As for GOAT (greatest of all time) that is a tricky one since he was caught for PED’s. Granted he got his suspension down to a year for a “tainted supplement” he is now being considered as not a cheater but someone dumb enough to take a pill without knowing what was in it. Personally I do not know if I believe this defense, but USADA took it as they were able to conclude the supplement Jones claimed was indeed tainted. My opinion on PED’s in pro sports is that is has always been here and always will be, so it is very hard to draw the line on how much these PED’s came into play; especially when so many other top guys have been caught. I will still consider Jones on the greatest, but I also feel that way about Lance Armstrong that many people would argue (mainly because it was proven all the top guys were doping too). I think many people exaggerate PED’s and think if a normal person took them, they would also become pro level….not true as these athletes who were caught all have been very talented guys that 99% of the population could take PED’s and not equal what they have done…...


I am just glad Jones will be back in the UFC again! He just needs to embrace this new persona and come out as “The new bad boy” and stop acting like he is something he is not (he admitted to this in a recent interview; basically what I was saying about him the entire time on this thread…his good guy was more a act UFC wanted him to follow) :lol:

[bulldog]

So anyone pumped about UFC 205! First UFC fight EVER in NY and we got three belts on the line; Alvarez vs McGregor, Woodley vs Thompson, then Joanna vs Karolina.

Then some epic fights:
Weidman vs Romero
Gastelum vs Cowboy
Rashad vs Kennedy (noooooo...was just pulled off of card)
Tate vs Pennington
Edgar vs Stevens
Khabib vs Johnson

http://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-205?id=

Oh man am I excited for this one!


Barn, Josh, Damir....... where we watching these man?????

[Captain Obvious]

Def gonna watch the fights this weekend. They really did go all out on the card.

Funny thing about Armstrong. I still view him as the greatest of all time. Even hopped up and getting caught cheating when so many others didn't, meh. He doesn't have the titles, but I still think of him as greatest ever asterisked. I think he has more than paid his dues.

JJ is a lot of fun to watch and an amazing fighter, but his inability to make good decisions, pretty much over him.

[bulldog]

Def gonna watch the fights this weekend. They really did go all out on the card.

Funny thing about Armstrong. I still view him as the greatest of all time. Even hopped up and getting caught cheating when so many others didn't, meh. He doesn't have the titles, but I still think of him as greatest ever asterisked. I think he has more than paid his dues.

JJ is a lot of fun to watch and an amazing fighter, but his inability to make good decisions, pretty much over him.

Yeah I am so excited for this card…although bummed Rashad vs Kennedy fight is off. Although no idea why Rashad and Weidman (who are both from NY) and Edgar (from NJ) were not hyped more for this NY card. Guess just another “Conor” card like usual for UFC…..who cares about those guys that have been in UFC way longer and helped make the sport…..

Wow, I don’t hear too many people still giving Armstrong props, but I agree. If a person thinks they are going to do PED’s and beat what Lance did, then try it….same with Jon Jones! Fact is pro sports will always have this problem so unless I could say 100% every sport is clean, it is hard to say who the real greatest are; so I will never discount the players caught because I feel their talent far outweighs a PED they took. Plus in Jon’s case what he was caught for was a “Viagra” type pill (they claim), so if that is 100% true that really has no PED advantages (if he is not lying; I am still skeptical). Same went for Nick Diaz being charged with a PED for marijuana.

I’ve always respected Jon for his fighting skills, but not so much the decisions he has made and then the fake persona he put out. I said it was only a matter of time before he got exposed and he did. I do hope he cleans up his act because he is lucky he is getting another shot….I thought for sure his career was over (may have been if he got the 3 years they initially said).

Daniel Cormier has to be worried now……..

[#1Townie]

people still watch ufc? had no idea. lol

[bulldog]

people still watch ufc? had no idea. lol That is because nobody invites you :lol:

Weird, the London UFC just sold out in 27 minutes; 18,000 seats. We will have to see, but they are saying this Madison Square Garden card with Conor is expected to beat the record of UFC 129 which was 12 million. Either way I am excited.....suck you no longer like MMA...oh well. Look I know Mayweather and Manny rule PPV numbers, but I just don’t see any other boxers bringing in huge numbers, so when they go away, what is next? About the only others ones I hear about currently are Alvarez…..maybe GGG (Golovkin)????


Some stats showing MMA is catching up; got to remember it is way newer than the sport of boxing


However, the meteoric rise of UFC as one of the fastest growing sports franchises in the world indicates there may be new show in town.
For years UFC has played second fiddle to boxing in terms of combat sports' popularity, largely misunderstood by the casual viewer and misinterpreted as simply a quencher for blood lust.
However, through a variety of transcendent mixed martial arts stars, namely Conor McGregor and Ronda Rousey, exciting pay-per-view events and ever increasing media coverage, more and more eyes are being drawn to the sport.

Excluding Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao events, only three boxing fights since 2000 have managed to generate over £1million in PPV receipts.
In that time UFC has managed a total of eight £1m plus events. In November and December respectively, UFC 193 and 194 PPVs became the company's first ever back-to-back events to achieve over one million buys, signalling a healthy global appetite for mixed martial arts.

[#1Townie]

aww... no one loves me.

I stopped watching ufc long ago.

[bulldog]

aww... no one loves me.

I stopped watching ufc long ago.So who do you follow in boxing nowadays? Or maybe I should ask if you follow boxing still?

I used to be a huge boxing fan back in the days of Tyson, Hollyfield, Foreman, etc. The first UFC 1 I saw I was hooked and just lost interest in boxing. I've tried going back a few times and just can't get into boxing anymore. Last fight I watched was the Manny vs Mayweather and I just couldn't get into it. I really wish boxing would consolidate and stop having so many different belts so I could know who the real top guys are nowadays.

This Tyson Fury guys seems interesting, but last I heard he is retiring already. You a fan of his?

[#1Townie]

don't watch boxing. that was always boring to watch as well.

just out of conversation and boredom.. I stopped watching ufc because guys stopped fighting. I mean some do but when it was all on the line it looked more like a boxing match. then came all the drama and shit talking. I was over it. its not what I wanted to see.

I do respect what the fighters do but it lost its entertainment value for me. only sport I really watch anymore is hockey.

[bulldog]

Jon Jones finally speaks on Joe Rogan!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBSwJnZpUI8

[Captain Obvious]

I watched some of it, could not give it 2 hours yet. Found a couple things funny.

In order to have a son, he needs to be mature and married. But not to have girls. huh?
"I didn't go back for cash but I went back for my bowl"

[bulldog]

I watched some of it, could not give it 2 hours yet. Found a couple things funny.

In order to have a son, he needs to be mature and married. But not to have girls. huh?
"I didn't go back for cash but I went back for my bowl"

You would think being mature would mean not cheating on his wife and maybe not partying so much so he spends time with those kids…crazy concept, but I don’t have kids so what would I know :dunno: :lol:

It was funny that he doesn’t want people to think he went back to the car for money…but he is ok with people knowing he went back for a bowl of weed….and come on, was in your front dash and you weren’t smoking and driving with that…yeah right. And you were not drunk but you left the scene…..hmmmm..again I am not believing it.

Overall I respect the guy for doing this interview and not sugar coating it like UFC would want him to. Coincendence he went on Joe Rogan’s podcast over the UFC’s (with Matt Sierra). Rogan is his own boss and that podcast is his so UFC can’t tell him what to do and drives them crazy…heck UFC probably needs Rogan more than he needs UFC (hands down the best MMA commentator ever).

[Captain Obvious]

I really do enjoy Rogan as their lead commentator. Had someone tell me years ago "can't stand him, he doesn't know anything...." I was still new to watching UFC, so didn't have a frame of reference, but have since realized 1) that guy knew nothing 2) no matter who / what the topic, some idiot will always have a problem with it.

I also like Joe's comedy, so.....

Jones did admit he was still drunk from the night before, but wanted to leave the house. He shouldn't have, but didn't want to be there with the guy's wife and kid alone. Clearly leaving early wasn't the right decision.

It was a very surprisingly frank and honest discussion, agree UFC would likely not have wanted it so open. But they did talk about Jones and not the UFC based on what I heard. I do respect his honesty, but his repeated bad decisions will take time to undo. He's a great fighter, but need time before I cheer for him. I don't follow enough to know the relationship about Joe's podcast and the UFC, but I do remember there was some form of unhappiness when Rogan's podcast had some not nice things to say about Cyborg's? masculine appearance.

[bulldog]

I really do enjoy Rogan as their lead commentator. Had someone tell me years ago "can't stand him, he doesn't know anything...." I was still new to watching UFC, so didn't have a frame of reference, but have since realized 1) that guy knew nothing 2) no matter who / what the topic, some idiot will always have a problem with it.

I also like Joe's comedy, so.....

Jones did admit he was still drunk from the night before, but wanted to leave the house. He shouldn't have, but didn't want to be there with the guy's wife and kid alone. Clearly leaving early wasn't the right decision.

It was a very surprisingly frank and honest discussion, agree UFC would likely not have wanted it so open. But they did talk about Jones and not the UFC based on what I heard. I do respect his honesty, but his repeated bad decisions will take time to undo. He's a great fighter, but need time before I cheer for him. I don't follow enough to know the relationship about Joe's podcast and the UFC, but I do remember there was some form of unhappiness when Rogan's podcast had some not nice things to say about Cyborg's? masculine appearance.

Yeah anyone who says Joe Rogan does not know anything about MMA is dumb. He is one of the most knowledgeable MMA personalities out there and very few people know he has a black belt in Taekwondo and was a US champion….all before being employed by the UFC. He also has the #1 podcast so they guy knows how to keep a audience.

Did you happen to see Joe Rogan when he just came to Denver Comedy Works a few weeks back (Nov 18th). My wife and I went and he was hilarious. I’d always wanted to see his stand up, but he sells out so fast; this time I bought them the minute they were released. If you have not seen him you got to check it out because his standup is great…..which few knows he still does.

Oh yeah I guess he did admit he was drunk the night before, but I bet his blood alcohol was still in the illegal range that morning so he may have got a DWI. I don’t get how you can leave a scene and not get a DWI/DUI because that should show guilt; if not seem like it may be better to leave the scene than get popped with a DWI/DUI.

I just don’t think Jon Jones has any other choice now as for years he played the “good guy” card, but with all this drama he has been exposed so sticking with that would probably harm him more because people know better now. So now he tells it like it is; another statement by him since this happened is he played the “good guy” roll because UFC encouraged that and that is why he did it. Now we see he truly is a partier that was getting black out drunk a week before a fight.

Joe Rogan’s relationship with UFC can be rocky at times, but that is because Joe refuses to be controlled by them and has repeatedly showed he doesn’t give a f*ck because he does this job for his own fun and has plenty of money. Yet UFC has few options of people to replace him by that could even slightly compare to him; Chael Sonnen is probably the best pick, but he is now an employee of Bellator. I love Goldberg, but without Rogan I just don’t think he would be able to do it himself. I just can’t think of one current MMA personality that could take Joe’s place. Basically Joe Rogan is a employee of UFC, but his podcast is not so he can say what he wants….sure he pisses of UFC, but he doesn’t really care. He is probably one the few people who tell Dana White to “f*ck off” and still keep their job :lol:

[#1Townie]

I have never liked Joe. not even a little. he has goten better with time but years ago listening to him comment about fighters and call things out in fights made me want to slam my face into a wall. but I will agree he got better. lol. I would much rather see someone like Tito Ortiz or something. someone who can't speak quickly and actually knows what they are talking about.

but I'm an asshole. lol

[bulldog]

I have never liked Joe. not even a little. he has goten better with time but years ago listening to him comment about fighters and call things out in fights made me want to slam my face into a wall. but I will agree he got better. lol. I would much rather see someone like Tito Ortiz or something. someone who can't speak quickly and actually knows what they are talking about.

but I'm an asshole. lol Just weird because you say you do not watch UFC anymore...yet you know he has gotten better....make up your mind man, do you watch UFC or not nowadays :lol:

What do you mean Joe doesn't know what he is talking about? You realize he has been doing UFC since #12, which was 20 years ago. He trains BJJ, he's been in Taekwondo comps, and been into martial arts since he was a teenager. Don't get it wrong, Joe Rogan is a bad mofo and even though he didn't fight, he has skills.....not maybe enough to be a UFC fighter, but I am sure he would beat up 99% of regular men.

Tito is a good commentator too for sure! I got to respect fighters who go into this because they lived it.

[Captain Obvious]

I have seen clips of his stand up (like the bit he did about Dr Phil) but never live. I also watched his tv show, it was pretty funny.

[bulldog]

Well, I happy to eat my words about Jon Jones as his comeback was epic, but most importantly his post speech was genuine and really made me respect the guy. From giving props to DC, to admitting he messed up and is trying to change….guy is an example of someone hitting rock bottom and getting their sh*t together and getting it back!

If you hate Jones, at least listen to his post win speech and maybe it will change you like it did me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9n8U34CzJo


P.S. Still the G.O.A.T. of MMA!!!!!

P.S.S. Streamed this fight from Cabo San Lucas, Mexico....that is how much a fan I am :lol:

[#1Townie]

Just weird because you say you do not watch UFC anymore...yet you know he has gotten better....make up your mind man, do you watch UFC or not nowadays :lol:

What do you mean Joe doesn't know what he is talking about? You realize he has been doing UFC since #12, which was 20 years ago. He trains BJJ, he's been in Taekwondo comps, and been into martial arts since he was a teenager. Don't get it wrong, Joe Rogan is a bad mofo and even though he didn't fight, he has skills.....not maybe enough to be a UFC fighter, but I am sure he would beat up 99% of regular men.

Tito is a good commentator too for sure! I got to respect fighters who go into this because they lived it.

sorry I didn't see your reply. I have not watched a single ufc fight in almost three years. I still watch highlights but I do know that before I quit watching Joe had gotten better about bashing fighters. I understand an announcer is supposed to give their opinions but honestly half the time listening to him I truly wanted to smash my face against a brick wall.

[bulldog]

sorry I didn't see your reply. I have not watched a single ufc fight in almost three years. I still watch highlights but I do know that before I quit watching Joe had gotten better about bashing fighters. I understand an announcer is supposed to give their opinions but honestly half the time listening to him I truly wanted to smash my face against a brick wall. Yeah seems like with Joe Rogan people either love him or hate him...not a lot of in between. I did get to recently see his standup comedy and I have to say he was great!


More Respect from Jon Jones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDO6iHH_2_c

[#1Townie]

Yeah seems like with Joe Rogan people either love him or hate him...not a lot of in between. I did get to recently see his standup comedy and I have to say he was great!


More Respect from Jon Jones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDO6iHH_2_c

yeah I have watched some of his comedy and enjoyed it.

as for Jones I still say fuck it. it's just a little cocaine. lol

[bulldog]

yeah I have watched some of his comedy and enjoyed it.

as for Jones I still say fuck it. it's just a little cocaine. lol
I was shocked Rogan still does small shows down here at Comedy Works because he could sell out venues 4 times the size as he has here in CO before. To him it is not about the money and he just loves still doing stand-up....pretty cool if you ask me...think I paid $77 (with fees) for two tickets!

I think a lot of people were more worked up over the PED thing as they tried to say he was only the GOAT because of them. USADA tested him and watched him more this time and he went through DC even faster this time....KO and all! Don't forget, DC has NEVER lost before (minus to Jon Jones twice) and DC has never been KO'd and Jones did this with being out 2+ years....epic to me!

[#1Townie]

man we don't get shit here in northern Nevada.

[#1Townie]

well I'll take that back. Ron white was here last weekend.

[bulldog]

In case anyone wants to see the KO:
https://gfycat.com/GrandGratefulGodwit
https://gfycat.com/GrandGratefulGodwit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS-xRZITfBg

https://gfycat.com/GrandGratefulGodwit

[j0ker]

I am just going to leave this: http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/22/jon-jones-tests-fails-drug-test-steroids-ufc-214-cormier-title-stripped/

[~Barn~]

I'll also leave this here:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/8/22/16182670/matt-hughes-back-on-the-mats-doing-jiu-jitsu-just-two-months-after-bad-vehicle-crash

[bulldog]

I am just going to leave this: http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/22/jon-jones-tests-fails-drug-test-steroids-ufc-214-cormier-title-stripped/ Damn!!!! I had not heard this as must have just come out...wow, what a shame. Guess we will see what happens, but there goes everything again. I find it hard to believe Turinabol came from a tainted supplement as that is a very known steroid for athletes. I can't even tell you how disappointed I am because I was proud I gave the guy a second shot and now it just makes you wonder if his speech was just another lie. Guess for now I'll try to give him the benefit of doubt till more comes out, but I just don't get how he and his team could let this happen again if it truly was another "accident". If he gets the 4 year ban, my bet is he will never fight again.

On a related note Junior Dos Santos just got popped by USADA too https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/8/18/16171790/ufc-215-junior-dos-santos-usada-drug-test-violation-ngannou-mma-news

Both of them proclaim their innocence so it does make you wonder if USADA is just too strict.....or if these fighters are just cheaters and liars. :dunno:


I'll also leave this here:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/8/22/16182670/matt-hughes-back-on-the-mats-doing-jiu-jitsu-just-two-months-after-bad-vehicle-crash Now that is truly good news and so happy Matt is doing better. I saw he was released from hospital and they released that pic which shpwed him so frail and smaller than we are used to seeing him. Seeing that he is already doing BJJ again shows me this guy can't be stopped and he will be back to normal soon :)

[madvlad]

Glad to see that Hughes is doing better, very good news. Darn shame about Jones though, this is going to bite him in the ass and harder than ever before.

[bulldog]

Glad to see that Hughes is doing better, very good news. Darn shame about Jones though, this is going to bite him in the ass and harder than ever before. Great news as for while there I was not sure he was going to come back..or come back normal. So far seems like he is ok. If you are a big Hughes fan do you ever watch the MMA show called Kingdom (my favorite show, but think it is over as had three season)? Anyways Hughes was on finale and came out right around when he got in this accident


https://youtu.be/CQ4BpZd2gcY


P.S See you Saturday right homey???? You better be there to hang with us for the fights :D