Speeding tickets

[Ezzzzy1]

No one like them and with some of the speeds we hit it can get kind of scary thinking about getting popped for 100+ miles an hour. Especially now that me and the guys that I ride with are acquiring more responsibility in life.

We have been discussing radar detectors and laser shifters etc and through the internet have dug up some pretty cool options. Im wondering how many of them not only work well but are also super compatible on motorcycles. As in, if its a radar detector, what are my options for blutooth connection to the audio in my helmet for alerts.

So my question: whats everyone using, how well is what youre using working and if you had $500-600 dollars to throw at a "super system" what would you get?

Im interested in what everyone has to say.

For starters, HERE (http://www.stealthveil.com/videos/test-videos)is a product. Seems like it may work well but does it work here in the US? Is this a gimmic? Has anyone had any experience with it?

[Clovis]

I've been running a radar detector on the bike for last 4 seasons and it's saved my ass on many occasions :) I've used a few different setups but here is my current and what has been the best setup.

Escort Passport Max - has GPS and auto learns and filters out speed limit signs, stop lights, etc -- false alerts with a fixed location and frequency.
Sena SM10 Bluetooth hub
Ram mount radar detector plate - arm and mounted somewhere on the handle bar - I use mounted mine to the lever controls for the clutch and brake.
Bluetooth communicator for your helmet - Scala and Sena brands both work but I say go with the new Sena 20s - I'll replace my Cardo Scala G9 with that set next season.

The passport plugs into the aux port on the Sena and my phone plugs into the other (primary) port and streams my music, GPS, etc to my helmet via Bluetooth. When the radar picks up something, the music volume is lowered and the tone is clearly heard. You can also distinguish between the two bands (K and Ka -- there's X band too but X band is rarely used by police and not in Colorado, so just disable that one). As a general rule, most K-bands are false alarms. Vehicle blind spot sensors, automatic doors, etc.

Some sheriffs use K band but not too many.

Ka band on the other hand, used mostly by police.

You can also get a rough idea of the strength of the signal by the audio and the ram mount makes it easy to just look down and check what's up.

A few others use this same setup. Jmetz I believe just switched to the Passport max and has the same setup.

[Jmetz]

I run a similar setup and have no complaints.


X band is rarely used by police and not in Colorado, so just disable that one).

This is not true. While 90% of the time X is a false I have been hit with it in the Denver metro and almost got a ticket because I blew it off. Also I find that in the more remote areas of the state X and K Are still popular.

[Wrider]

I'll agree with Jmetz. When I ran a radar detector, the only place I ever got hit by an actual cop with X band was in Denver (motorcycle cop sitting under an overpass). Otherwise I pretty much ignored X and K bands. But every time I saw a Ka pop up, I slowed down.

[Aaron]

I'd pass on the laser jammers if I were you. First of all, lasers are not used by CSP. Second, it's extremely difficult to get a speed reading from a bike using a laser. Not impossible, just very difficult. Lastly, when a jamming device is detected, it gives the Officer immediate legal reason to contact you, an additional charge on top of Careless Driving for your estimated speed, and if he wants to push it he can take your jammer. Stick to radar detectors.

[Wrider]

I'd pass on the laser jammers if I were you. First of all, lasers are not used by CSP. Second, it's extremely difficult to get a speed reading from a bike using a laser. Not impossible, just very difficult. Lastly, when a jamming device is detected, it gives the Officer immediate legal reason to contact you, an additional charge on top of Careless Driving for your estimated speed, and if he wants to push it he can take your jammer. Stick to radar detectors.

You sure about that? Or is it just your troop? Because (granted this was a few years ago) I was coming down I-70 and just on the front side of Eisenhower tunnel I was hit by a laser (according to my radar/laser detector) in a speed trap set up by the CSP.

EDIT: A few years before that I was hit by a laser here in the Springs as well. But that was back in 04/05 sometime.

[Ezzzzy1]

Sena SM10 Bluetooth hub


The passport plugs into the aux port on the Sena and my phone plugs into the other (primary) port and streams my music, GPS, etc to my helmet via Bluetooth. When the radar picks up something, the music volume is lowered and the tone is clearly heard.

Is this live? As in "instant". I have the 20s and am concerned that there will be a bit of a delay as thats how most things are that patch into the unit are.

[Clovis]

Is this live? As in "instant". I have the 20s and am concerned that there will be a bit of a delay as thats how most things are that patch into the unit are..

I can't speak for the Sena 20S but in my case, using the Cardo Scala G9 and Sena SM10 HUB - it's instant.

[Ezzzzy1]

I'd pass on the laser jammers if I were you. First of all, lasers are not used by CSP. Second, it's extremely difficult to get a speed reading from a bike using a laser. Not impossible, just very difficult. Lastly, when a jamming device is detected, it gives the Officer immediate legal reason to contact you, an additional charge on top of Careless Driving for your estimated speed, and if he wants to push it he can take your jammer. Stick to radar detectors.

Did you see the stuff in my original post? Its not a jammer instead it simply makes it hard for the signal to return to the gun. Whats the legality of this?

[Matrix]

I use the H.A.R.D. System and it works great. LED light by my right eye lets me know if my radar is going off. The system works with any higher end radar detector. The thing has saved me more times than I can count.

http://legalspeeding.com/HARD-System.htm#.VfbvBxFVhBc

[birchyboy]

I use the H.A.R.D. System and it works great. LED light by my right eye lets me know if my radar is going off. The system works with any higher end radar detector. The thing has saved me more times than I can count.

http://legalspeeding.com/HARD-System.htm#.VfbvBxFVhBc

Great website name!

[t_jolt]

Did you see the stuff in my original post? Its not a jammer instead it simply makes it hard for the signal to return to the gun. Whats the legality of this?
Honestly, it comes down to suspicion. EJ. If a cops radar works 95% of the time, chances are when it doesnt work, they will just assume something is up and pull you over for it. But note*** all deals with the officer and his attitude for the day. much like anything else these days.

Tyrel

[bcwood]

I have a Escort Redline with RAM-MOUNT connectors and use this http://www.marcparnes.com/Visual_Alert.htm as a visual aid. Its quite a bit cheaper than the HARD device, but very effective. Marc will custom make the jack connection extension and the angle of the light housing.

The Redline has worked very well for me. I swap it between the car and the bike, so I use it whenever I travel. I even use the LED array in the car, its a lot less disturbing then the frequent noise.

[Clovis]

Do you know if they still manufacture the HARD system? Back in 2012 at least it was discontinued and I had to go with a Vzalert2 which was junk and promptly lead to a big speeding ticket. No alert but when I looked down at the radar detector it was on full blast - too late though.

http://www.speedcheetah.com/scshop/page.php?xPage=Vizalert.html

EJ: Spend the $700 it's going to cost for the setup I use and know it's the best. You never miss an alert and don't have to have a flashing piece of plastic in your field of vision.


I use the H.A.R.D. System and it works great. LED light by my right eye lets me know if my radar is going off. The system works with any higher end radar detector. The thing has saved me more times than I can count.

http://legalspeeding.com/HARD-System.htm#.VfbvBxFVhBc

[FZRguy]

I have an Adaptiv TPX, which is designed for use on a motorcycle. It has Bluetooth, LED visual and wireless headset.

http://www.adaptivtechnologies.com/gear/tpx-radar-detector

I have also picked up a Laser signal from CSP on I-70 coming down the hill around 6th.

[The Black Knight]

No one like them and with some of the speeds we hit it can get kind of scary thinking about getting popped for 100+ miles an hour. Especially now that me and the guys that I ride with are acquiring more responsibility in life.

We have been discussing radar detectors and laser shifters etc and through the internet have dug up some pretty cool options. Im wondering how many of them not only work well but are also super compatible on motorcycles. As in, if its a radar detector, what are my options for blutooth connection to the audio in my helmet for alerts.

So my question: whats everyone using, how well is what youre using working and if you had $500-600 dollars to throw at a "super system" what would you get?

Im interested in what everyone has to say.

For starters, HERE (http://www.stealthveil.com/videos/test-videos)is a product. Seems like it may work well but does it work here in the US? Is this a gimmic? Has anyone had any experience with it?

The device that has worked best for me, that is 100% effective and I've acquired zero tickets since using it.

It's called.......... "The Track"
:D

Sorry, I had to do it.


All joking aside, I've got one question and it is serious. If getting caught speeding is a big issue, they why do you guys speed??? I understand that you and your buddies have gained certain responsibilities in life and I would think that it's your dedication to those responsibilities that would make you want to slow down on "public roads" and possibly rethink your speeding endeavors and take it a "controlled environment".

Not being combative either, but if you're doing 100+mph on any given road, no matter what device you do have. You're looking at either loss of license, impound of vehicle or some jail time.

I'm not saying I'm a saint by any means. I did my fair share of speeding in the mountains when I was younger. However, I never received a speeding ticket(or any ticket for that matter) in the mountains, mainly because I picked and chose where and when to open it up. Yet, I soon realized that with as fast as I was riding, something bad was bound to happen sooner rather than later.

And before anyone says that the track is too expensive, just think about how bad Johnny Law is going to break you off when you do get pulled over for that 100+mph speeding ticket. Then ask yourself, is it really worth the aggravation of a huge fine, possibly loss of license or worse??

For $150 I get 4 hours to ride my ass off at PMP and my only worry on track is, hitting that next apex....


my .02 cents

[Wrider]

The device that has worked best for me, that is 100% effective and I've acquired zero tickets since using it.

It's called.......... "The Track"
:D

Sorry, I had to do it.


All joking aside, I've got one question and it is serious. If getting caught speeding is a big issue, they why do you guys speed??? I understand that you and your buddies have gained certain responsibilities in life and I would think that it's your dedication to those responsibilities that would make you want to slow down on "public roads" and possibly rethink your speeding endeavors and take it a "controlled environment".

Not being combative either, but if you're doing 100+mph on any given road, no matter what device you do have. You're looking at either loss of license, impound of vehicle or some jail time.

I'm not saying I'm a saint by any means. I did my fair share of speeding in the mountains when I was younger. However, I never received a speeding ticket(or any ticket for that matter) in the mountains, mainly because I picked and chose where and when to open it up. Yet, I soon realized that with as fast as I was riding, something bad was bound to happen sooner rather than later.

And before anyone says that the track is too expensive, just think about how bad Johnny Law is going to break you off when you do get pulled over for that 100+mph speeding ticket. Then ask yourself, is it really worth the aggravation of a huge fine, possibly loss of license or worse??

For $150 I get 4 hours to ride my ass off at PMP and my only worry on track is, hitting that next apex....


my .02 cents

Because not all of us can afford the $150 every time we want to go fast. Nor can we afford $500+ in leathers required. Nor can we afford a trailer for the bike to get it there and back.

Seriously, I'd love to get to the track, and with my new job, it might be a possibility, but as of the moment, just maintaining the bike eats up a lot of my spare income, so all those extras are out of the question.

Not to mention it's much cooler in the mountains than it usually is at PMP or HPR during the middle of the summer.

And we can go any time instead of a particular time on a particular day that might not be when we have time off of work.

I get it that the track is a better place to go fast, and I'd love to do it, but as of right now, financially, time-wise, and practically speaking, it's not in the cards, whereas I can go carve up a backroad within 20 minutes.

[The Black Knight]

Because not all of us can afford the $150 every time we want to go fast. Nor can we afford $500+ in leathers required. Nor can we afford a trailer for the bike to get it there and back.

Seriously, I'd love to get to the track, and with my new job, it might be a possibility, but as of the moment, just maintaining the bike eats up a lot of my spare income, so all those extras are out of the question.

Not to mention it's much cooler in the mountains than it usually is at PMP or HPR during the middle of the summer.

And we can go any time instead of a particular time on a particular day that might not be when we have time off of work.

I get it that the track is a better place to go fast, and I'd love to do it, but as of right now, financially, time-wise, and practically speaking, it's not in the cards, whereas I can go carve up a backroad within 20 minutes.

So track fees and gear prices dissuade you from getting to the track but the price of a high speed ticket, possible impound fees, court fees to go back to "insert whatever county here" and take care of the offense do??

So hypothetical situation. Let's just say for easy figuring and going off of what former family LEO's would tell me that the average for a speeding ticket is $10 per mile per hour over. So let's say you're ripping down Hwy 50 through Texas Creek on your way to Salida. That's a 50mph speed zone, and I know for a fact that you can achieve 140mph through there. That's 90mph over the speed limit!! So at $10 a mile per hour over, we're looking at $900 just in the speeding fine. Not to mention if you are dumb enough to stop after achieving that speed, you'll get a "careless or wreckless" driving ticket as well. However, if you're feeling frisky and do decide to run, throw on some "evasion" on top of that if you do manage to get stopped.

Haven't even gotten to the points of your license you'll lose. If you're with a bunch of guys going that fast, a LEO can assume a speed contest is taking place. Well that automatically gets you a loss of license, for sure(not 100%) impound of your bike and possible time spent in the cooler to think over what you just did. Now on the other hand, if you do run and do get caught, well consider that you're going to spend some quality time locked up.

In one scenario we've got a $900 ticket, with careless driving, possibly loss of license and impound. Then tack on lawyer to clear this sh*t you stepped in up at court. You may get smacked with having to do a drivers education course in order to get your license back. Now most people need their license to work, whether it be they use it for a living, or for the fact that they use it to get to work. You will need your license.

Scenario two, is if you do run you may get away, you may not. Say you do get caught, then scenario #1 automatically applies as well. And if you do manage to run and get away with it, well you'll live to ride another day. Your number will come up if you continue to do that though, it always does.

Also that's just one incident. What happens when you don't learn the lesson and keep on speeding?? That gets expensive man, real expensive.

So you're telling me, that all that hassle is worth more to you than $150 entrance fee, $500+ in leathers and a trailer(which if you have a truck, you wouldn't need a trailer)???

If so, then I'm just speechless.

[WolFeYeZ]

Because not all of us can afford the $150 every time we want to go fast. Nor can we afford $500+ in leathers required. Nor can we afford a trailer for the bike to get it there and back.

There are cheaper ways. Buy used leathers, I got my first set for $150. Do SuperStreet, or a half day, or IMI. SS can be free with a voucher, a half day is like $90 and IMI is only $40. I did my first full year of track time making $9 an hour.

[Wrider]

So track fees and gear prices dissuade you from getting to the track but the price of a high speed ticket, possible impound fees, court fees to go back to "insert whatever county here" and take care of the offense do??

So hypothetical situation. Let's just say for easy figuring and going off of what former family LEO's would tell me that the average for a speeding ticket is $10 per mile per hour over. So let's say you're ripping down Hwy 50 through Texas Creek on your way to Salida. That's a 50mph speed zone, and I know for a fact that you can achieve 140mph through there. That's 90mph over the speed limit!! So at $10 a mile per hour over, we're looking at $900 just in the speeding fine. Not to mention if you are dumb enough to stop after achieving that speed, you'll get a "careless or wreckless" driving ticket as well. However, if you're feeling frisky and do decide to run, throw on some "evasion" on top of that if you do manage to get stopped.

Haven't even gotten to the points of your license you'll lose. If you're with a bunch of guys going that fast, a LEO can assume a speed contest is taking place. Well that automatically gets you a loss of license, for sure(not 100%) impound of your bike and possible time spent in the cooler to think over what you just did. Now on the other hand, if you do run and do get caught, well consider that you're going to spend some quality time locked up.

In one scenario we've got a $900 ticket, with careless driving, possibly loss of license and impound. Then tack on lawyer to clear this sh*t you stepped in up at court. You may get smacked with having to do a drivers education course in order to get your license back. Now most people need their license to work, whether it be they use it for a living, or for the fact that they use it to get to work. You will need your license.

Scenario two, is if you do run you may get away, you may not. Say you do get caught, then scenario #1 automatically applies as well. And if you do manage to run and get away with it, well you'll live to ride another day. Your number will come up if you continue to do that though, it always does.

Also that's just one incident. What happens when you don't learn the lesson and keep on speeding?? That gets expensive man, real expensive.

So you're telling me, that all that hassle is worth more to you than $150 entrance fee, $500+ in leathers and a trailer(which if you have a truck, you wouldn't need a trailer)???

If so, then I'm just speechless.


I have lost my license before, so trust me when I say I know how fast fees, points, and charges pile up. That said, in the decade I've been riding, I've been pulled over twice. Once I got a written warning, and the other time I got a ticket for (I kid you not) 4 MPH over the speed limit. I know when to limit myself and when to open it up. It also helps my bike is relatively slow as hell (tops out around 120-130).

It also stands that I am paying student loans on a low income job. I cannot afford a truck. I can afford my paid-off 15 yo Subaru with low insurance rates and good gas mileage. I still can't afford a trailer, nor do I have a place to store it. I wish you the best of luck finding leathers in my size, especially used, so that means I get to pay extra for tailoring for something that I can't afford to use because I can't afford a half-day at a track. Hell I have enough problems affording tires for my street riding. Affording track worthy tires every time I spend $40+ on a trackday. I have to watch when I drive/ride somewhere I don't need to because of the gas involved.

Like I said in my previous post. I totally agree that the track is better, and I'll be honest, I've slowed down significantly because all of those things run through my head as I'm apexing a corner at speed. Once I can afford leathers, a way to the track and back, track worthy tires, etc, I'll be right there with you clipping the apex and having a ball at speed. Until then, I'll keep it at a medium speed on the streets when I have the opportunity.



There are cheaper ways. Buy used leathers, I got my first set for $150. Do SuperStreet, or a half day, or IMI. SS can be free with a voucher, a half day is like $90 and IMI is only $40. I did my first full year of track time making $9 an hour.

Could you have done it while paying $300/month in student loans? According to my calculations, even though I make a little more than you did, I take home/keep less than you did after I pay my student loans. Also, according to my quick stalking of your post history, you've been doing this regularly since at least 2012, meaning that consumer prices have gone up 7% since you were making $9.00/hr.



Guys, I really do want to go to the track, but the fact is that I can't afford to do so at the moment. And keep in mind that I have other expensive hobbies as well. Shooting, firearms, trying to get back into archery, flyfishing, hunting... I wish I could make money on my hobbies, but all of those are like the motorcycle industry. You can make a small fortune in them, but only if you start with a large one!

[Aaron]

I was the best at making excuses not to go to the track. Finally enough peer pressure got me to try it, and every time I run I seriously contemplate quitting all street riding altogether. It's out of this world good.

You don't need a truck or trailer. Ride to the track, drop your air pressure 10psi, unplug your lights, and take your mirrors off. Proceed with having the time of your life, and ride home.

I've ridden the street with a literbike for 6 years or so, and have luckily escaped with 1 ticket. It cost me $1200 and 6 points on my license. I don't think I've spent that on all of my track days combined.

[Okrapp]

While the track is certainly a better option for letting bikes do what they do best, and leaving the 100mph plus riding isolated to those days would be safer and potentially cheaper, I don't always have the personal discipline to avoid that urge on a nice mountain road. That said, the radar detector is a tempting and may end up getting one eventually. My main concern with that would be any subconscious knowledge that I have it making me more likely to go faster than I already do. And for those that have non-motorcycle-specific detectors, what sort of weather protection do you use if any for them.

[GMR]

What track can you hit 160 at?

[UglyDogRacing]

What track can you hit 160 at?

On Pueblo's front straight and HPR's back straight, we've had speeds up to 165.

[Aaron]

I regularly hit 165+ at Pueblo, 160 at HPR, and I think just recently hit 175+ at Miller.

[Jmetz]

And for those that have non-motorcycle-specific detectors, what sort of weather protection do you use if any for them.

A tank bag. I have clear plastic shower caps and rubber bands for running it in the wet but I've never used them. I always just put it in the tank bag when I see it's about to rain or I start to get a few sprinkles.

[UglyDogRacing]

I regularly hit 165+ at Pueblo, 160 at HPR, and I think just recently hit 175+ at Miller.

No you don't.

[The GECCO]

I regularly hit 165+ at Pueblo, 160 at HPR, and I think just recently hit 175+ at Miller.

Indicated, perhaps, but not actual. Subtract 10-15% and you're in the ballpark.

[Captain Obvious]

What track can you hit 160 at?

Daytona. :) I saw an indicated 165 as I was drafting around a guy prepping for T1.

I don't know topped out speed at HPR but it wasn't 160.
Haven't ridden the other local tracks.

[UglyDogRacing]

Indicated, perhaps, but not actual. Subtract 10-15% and you're in the ballpark.

If my memory is correct, the most you've clocked on radar at both tracks is just over 160 by top riders on built superbikes running close to lap record pace.

[The GECCO]

If my memory is correct, the most you've clocked on radar at both tracks is just over 160 by top riders on built superbikes running close to lap record pace.

Yes, 164 is the highest ever at HPR, 160 at Pueblo (which was several years ago, but also with the faster T10 configuration).

[FZRguy]

My detector does not encourage me to speed in the least. I'm at FOG touring pace these days, but enjoy a spirited ride on a lonely canyon road (on a weekday). Sill good to know if there are revenue raisers in the area where I happen to be.

[Ezzzzy1]

While the track is certainly a better option for letting bikes do what they do best, and leaving the 100mph plus riding isolated to those days would be safer and potentially cheaper, I don't always have the personal discipline to avoid that urge on a nice mountain road. That said, the radar detector is a tempting and may end up getting one eventually. My main concern with that would be any subconscious knowledge that I have it making me more likely to go faster than I already do. And for those that have non-motorcycle-specific detectors, what sort of weather protection do you use if any for them.

They make motorcycle holders for mounting the radar detector that are simi enclosed as well as the shower caps.

Sometimes, some roads are just too hard to go the speed limit on... :lol:

[The Black Knight]

On Pueblo's front straight and HPR's back straight, we've had speeds up to 165.


Indicated, perhaps, but not actual. Subtract 10-15% and you're in the ballpark.


I saw an older video of Jason Pridmore(cira 2006) hitting 181mph down pueblo's front straight. Obviously that was on the old T10 configuration and I'm sure it was with his purpose built AMA Superbike.

Anyone remember this video?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N84aRiNaods

[FZRguy]

Something about shower caps and sportbikes just doesn't seem right.

[UglyDogRacing]

I saw an older video of Jason Pridmore(cira 2006) hitting 181mph down pueblo's front straight. Obviously that was on the old T10 configuration and I'm sure it was with his purpose built AMA Superbike.

Anyone remember this video?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N84aRiNaods

Jason always rode the school bikes which were stock GSXR's when Star school was at Pueblo. This was in 2006 so wasn't using GPS to validate the top speed. His lap time was around 1:40 and the lap record is a 1:29 so there was no way he was hitting 181mph. The speed displayed on the video was most likely based on the indicated speedometer speed which was probably about 10-15% off, which would put it around 160mph.

[Kim-n-Dean]

Those speeds aren't shit! Ralph and I hit about 35mph on our pocket bikes around Second Creek!! Ralph even wiped out at those incredible speeds. I think he limped for a month.

Took my pocket bike around Pueblo once. My balls tingled for two days...

[FZRguy]

I remember someone crashing a pocket bike pretty hard at a long ago club picnic. Ah, good times!

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I'd pass on the laser jammers if I were you. First of all, lasers are not used by CSP. Second, it's extremely difficult to get a speed reading from a bike using a laser. Not impossible, just very difficult. Lastly, when a jamming device is detected, it gives the Officer immediate legal reason to contact you, an additional charge on top of Careless Driving for your estimated speed, and if he wants to push it he can take your jammer. Stick to radar detectors.
I know RADAR jammers are illegal, I believe at the federal level since you're broadcasting without a FCC license (for the express purpose of breaking the law no less), but I thought that LASER jammers were legal.....except that CO went and made a law against that recently, didn't they?