Which 2016 Superbike Would You Buy?

[Drano]

The title is fairly self-explanatory. If you had the money to walk into a dealership and buy the 2016 superbike of your choice, which would it be?

Pictures are provided below for those who don't know what a superbike looks like. ;)

Now, I have one simple request from you. It is this: if you choose to answer this survey, why did you select that particular ride, and, if you are bold enough, why did the others not make the cut?

If you have already bought your 2016 superbike, mark it down too! Or, perhaps you've changed your mind and, in retrospect, should have bought a different one... Which one, and why?

Now, if you don't want a superbike, do not fret! Over the next while I will create a list for the other classes, too.

Have fun with this, everyone!

P.S. One glaring omission to some may be the Kawasaki H2, well, that bike really doesn't classify well with these guys and falls more into ZX-14 and Hayabusa territory, so it got cut, sorry!

[Drano]

Aprilia RSV4 RF
http://i1.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2016-Aprilia-RSV4-RF-230hp.jpg?resize=635%2C424

BMW S1000RR
http://i.imgur.com/0hyhGvml.jpg

[Drano]

Ducati 1299 Panigale S
http://www.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/ducati-panigale-1299-designboom022.jpg

Honda CBR1000RR
http://www.honda2016.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015-Honda-CBR1000RR-ABS-front-view.jpg

[Drano]

Kawasaki ZX-10R
http://www.fastbikesmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2016-ZX10-1.jpg

MV Agusta F4-RR
https://motorsportsnewswire.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/f4rr-wt-bk-rd.jpg

[Drano]

Suzuki GSX-R1000
http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/531604/GSX-R1000L5.jpg

Yamaha R1M
http://cdn.yamaha-motor.eu/product_assets/2016/YZF1000R1SPL/950-75/2016-Yamaha-YZF1000R1SPL-EU-Silver-Blu-Carbon-Studio-007.jpg

[Drano]

Since I proposed this little survey, I'll start.

I'd get the RSV4 RF, hands down, no questions asked. But since I've obligated myself to answer, it's the V4. To me, it sounds far too sexy to pass up. On top of that, it boasts great engine and chassis performance along with a great electronics package that, while not as sophisticated as Ducati and BMW, is easily forgiven due to the sound it makes. Just hearing it gives me chills.

2nd place would go to the Yamaha R1M. That crossplane engine is the next-closest sound to the Aprilia. On top of that, it has proven itself to be one of the best, if not the best, bike out there for 2016. Unfortunately, those headlights turn an almost M1 into a grotesque. I can forgive its looks given what its capable of, but in comparison to the RSV4, it's not a debate for me.

3rd place is the Panigale. I'm a sucker for a v-twin, and in the looks department the Panigale has no equal, but its ergos are severe, and the underseat heat would get obnoxious really fast in full leathers.

The rest, well, they're inlines. Yes, so is the R1, but it's different. I'm just not a fan of inlines in the same way as a V4 or V2. If I didn't have the three choices above, then I suppose the list would look as follows: 4th: BMW; 5th: MV Agusta; 6th: Honda; 7th: Kawasaki; 8th: Suzuki. This list will likely change once Honda and Suzuki get their acts together and make an updated (not just graphics) machine, so we'll see.

[mdub]

All those bikes are bad-ass. Hard choice , lemme get back to you

[~Barn~]

When I started into riding I came in as a Yamaha guy, the R1M is not the most beautiful of the bikes you've given us to choose from (it might even be toward the bottom) but it is a technical marvel. So in addition to that which I've mentioned, I picked it:

- Because of its exclusivity in the general sport-biking world.
- Because I don't have a Yamaha now, but do have an Aprilia and an MV Agusta.
- Because I need an i4 in the stable to compliment the triple and twin.
- Because Rossi.

And incase you're keeping score at home, the BMW would have been runner-up, but not that in that vomitus black & red paint scheme.

[Spooph]

Panigale for sure! It's pointless to buy based on performance, for all these bikes have performance way beyond what can be used on the open road, so I'd go with style, and Ducati has the most amount of style.

[lth]

I have no idea without riding them, but since I'm old & slow I'd get the one with the most comfortable seat & didn't cost an arm & a leg to maintain. So I assume the Italians are out.

Am I in the right thread? Where's the FOG section? Or the one where we rave about Honda Accords?

[bulldog]

Wow, only one to choose the MV Agusta huh.....I've been out of the game for a few though, but just always wanted one.

[blaircsf]

The answer for me depends on what I was buying it for.
Street: RSV4RF or S1000RR
Racing: RSV4RF / R1M / ZX10R
Picking one out of each list would come down to sitting on it, reading more about it, etc.

[BushyAR15]

Don't know where my response went so I apologize if it shows up twice...

Assuming I can keep my current rides, the Aprilia. I'll be the first to admit I'm an Italian bike Fanboy. I really enjoyed racing my 00.5 Mille and even had one for the street later on. Just a great bike, I can't imagine how much better today's version is. But I used to tell people it had Euro looks and handling but Japanese reliability. Never had an issue with either of mine...

Next would be the Panigale... Ducati fanboy what can I say..

3rd would be the MV Agusta...

IF I was still young enough to race it would have been the Yamaha hands down. My first motorcycle, my first racebike, and my favorite bikes have been Yamahas....

[Aaron]

I won't be getting a 16, but got a 15 last year, and same difference.

Loved my 13 S1000RR, which definitely gave the 15 points. For me it was how great the BMW is as a street bike. It blows every one of the others away on the dyno as usual. The OEM heated grips, cruise control, butter smooth fuel injection, and the awesome ergonomics is what sold me. I've ridden the BMW to Arizona, South Dakota, etc, racking up over 20,000 miles. I love it, couldn't be happier with my choice.

Bottom line is there isn't a single dude on this forum who will notice a performance difference between any on the list. Hell even the best riders in the world run within 2 seconds on each bike. And they attribute that to their confidence in the bike more than anything. So buy the one that is the most comfortable and looks the best to you, the one that inspires your confidence.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/AaronZ34/Mobile%20Uploads/20150322_155634_zpsnwmo9w1m.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/AaronZ34/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150322_155634_zpsnwmo9w1m.jpg.html)

[Gramps]

Hands down the Panigale for me. I think at this level of bike you are buying more than just the need or want to go fast. You are buying an experience and the bike should be the instigator of the experience.

[Aaron]

Absolutely. The experience of the worst fuel injection tuning I've ever felt, a blazing hot ass, and being rated 30hp higher than it puts down!

Haha just messing with you of course! All in good fun. You simply cannot buy a better looking motorbike. Even Drano's posts have average pictures for every bike, and then a Victoria's Secret cover girl photo for the Duc.

[Drano]

Even Drano's posts have average pictures for every bike, and then a Victoria's Secret cover girl photo for the Duc.

Hey now! I tried (lazily) to find pics of all bikes with white backdrops. It's not my fault the photographers won't give the Pani the same, bland, treatment as the rest! :lol:

[Hibs]

The H2 is nothing like a ZX14R or Hayabusa. Not sure how it gets left out. It clearly is the hands down winner compared to every other liter bike.

[Drano]

The H2 is nothing like a ZX14R or Hayabusa. Not sure how it gets left out. It clearly is the hands down winner compared to every other liter bike.

For power, the H2 is on par with most of the top-end superbikes, the problem is that it is a lot heavier and, afaik will not be competing in the WSBK series, the ZX-10R will be. Also, I'm not talking about the H2R, either.

I tried to ensure this survey applied to bikes in the same class as each other. You say the H2 isn't like a ZX-14R or a Busa, and I can agree with that, however, nor is it like the current field of superbikes either. For weight, it's heavier than the ZX-10R, but lighter than the ZX-14R. Wheelbase, it's longer than the ZX-10R, but shorter than the ZX-14R. On the track, it's going to be slower than a ZX-10R, but most likely faster than a ZX-14R. So, right now, the only thing it has going for it is horsepower and straight-line speed. If that makes it a winner for you, then who am I to argue. But, on a track it's not showing itself to be a superior machine.

Now, the point of this thread is not to argue which is objectively better, it is meant to pick the 2016 bike in its class which would be your must-have, and that's utterly subjective. Just have fun with it, it's not meant to be a contest.

[Hibs]

So competing in the WSBK series is criteria for your little poll? You should have mentioned that from the beginning. But you simply said which 2016 Superbike would you buy. I say the 2016 H2.

[Hibs]

Oh and to answer your question as to why... the looks, technology, and the fact that no other bike is going to make 275rwhp with just bolt ons and a tune.

[Drano]

So competing in the WSBK series is criteria for your little poll? You should have mentioned that from the beginning. But you simply said which 2016 Superbike would you buy. I say the 2016 H2.

I apologize, I thought that "superbike" made it fairly self-evident which bikes pertain to the category I chose. WSBK = World Superbike.


Oh and to answer your question as to why... the looks, technology, and the fact that no other bike is going to make 275rwhp with just bolt ons and a tune.

It is an amazing bike, I agree, but this statement only confirms to me that the niche it will fill in the market is more similar to that of a ZX-14R and Hayabusa than to the current crop of superbikes. Let's just call it too unique of a duck to be categorized and be done with it. I did apologize for leaving it out of the survey, but I stand by my reasons.

[Hibs]

If I wanted a bike to turn into a road course machine, then no the H2 would not be it. It's too nice to ball up, heavier then others like you mentioned, and my guess maybe not as easy to ride. So if I wanted a race bike, I'd pick zx10r or gsxr1000. For the fact that both have huge aftermarkets, and with the money saved over the bmw you'll be able to mod it so it's faster then the bmw. If I had to buy one and not mod it to race, it'd be the bmw. If I was going to just walk in and buy a new bike, it'd still be the H2. Because let's be honest, who wants to buy a brand new bike and take then just slap race plastics on it anyways? The H2 leads the crowd as far as all around street bike. It has enough handling and brakes to satisfy most anyone here, more power (and potential) then all the others, and a sex appeal the is second to none.

[Okrapp]

In the context of "If you had the money to walk into a dealership and buy the 2016 superbike of your choice" AND I don't have to give up the current road bike to do it (because these are dreams, right?), The R1M wins. The front end looks aren't appealing because of the lights but it would just be track skinned anyway. The RSV4 would be second choice because holy crap that is a nice beast but it can't win for me if I have to go to the Denver area for service matters that I don't want to tackle. But, if one of these had to serve both a track and road machine purpose, the BMW would win it for me.

[Gramps]

Absolutely. The experience of the worst fuel injection tuning I've ever felt, a blazing hot ass, and being rated 30hp higher than it puts down!

Haha just messing with you of course! All in good fun. You simply cannot buy a better looking motorbike. Even Drano's posts have average pictures for every bike, and then a Victoria's Secret cover girl photo for the Duc.

Your good man! My response is always the same about these comments.

The faster you ride the less heat you feel.(true statement) Most of the people I encounter that complain about the heat are simply not riding the bike in the appropriate manner. As far horsepower, add a slip on, air filter, ecu reflash and you will regain the 30hp plus some. Then add some extra light weight goodies and it becomes a beast. Everyone needs to ride a tuned Panigale before they make a determination on the bike. It makes a big difference. I will agree the stock fueling leaves a lot to be desired.

The looks speak for themselves.

[The Black Knight]

Suzuki GSX-R1000, always and forever Suzuki.....

[Jim_Vess]

Yamaha R1M ... because it's a Yamaha.

[salsashark]

Love me some V4, so Ape all the way.

[madvlad]

I've rode all of them but for the new ZX10 and they're all great bikes in their own sense really but will go with the R1M, it just has my heart.

[~Barn~]

You've ridden an R1M ?
:think:

[madvlad]

Yeah, my mom's boss has one. He won't track it though, trying to convince him to but it'll be hard. He wanted to ride my Duc so we went both out for a quick spin. Definitely impressed and obviously wasn't pushing much but you can tell the bike is just something else, the sound too, love it. I would buy a regular R1 as an R1M is just too much $$$ and electronics for my liking, also not really worth it for the street. Just hope they do bring the 60th anniversary colors

[salsashark]

I have no idea without riding them, but since I'm old & slow I'd get the one with the most comfortable seat & didn't cost an arm & a leg to maintain. So I assume the Italians are out.

Am I in the right thread? Where's the FOG section? Or the one where we rave about Honda Accords?

:lol: maybe I need to be looking for the FOG section as well, because I would take a Multistrada, Caponord, S1000XR or the like over any of these... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/wheelchair.gif


http://www.bike.fi/sites/bike.fi/files/styles/medium/public/images/2014/09/dsc_0126.jpg?itok=ZkHUdA62http://ridermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/web-led-KWP_0634.jpg

[madvlad]

Title does say Superbike lol but would not mind a tourer at all.

[Drano]

:lol: Sheesh guys, hold your horses! ;)

Over time I'm going to do more polls to include light & middleweight supersports, not to mention polls for my favorite class, naked bikes! Pick which one you like in this category, pick the one you like in the categories which will soon follow. It's fantasy land! :D The only restrictions on my part are that you only get to pick one per survey, and they will pertain to current model-year bikes of equivalent class. I'd like to do this same thing for next year, and so on. One exception is that I won't be doing an ADV category, if you want that one, I'm sure ADVRider.com has everything you'll ever need. This is CSC sillies! :devious:

[Captain Obvious]

MV Agusta F4-RR. It has the look and feel of exclusivity that the Honda/Yamaha/suzuki don't have. I am a sucker for the single side swingarm.

Never rode any of them, so no idea how they fit me or how they do as a road bike, but just on what I know about those options as well as which one stirs my soul the most. Close second would be the Ducati 1299 Panigale S. The 916 was the Superbike when I started getting into bikes, so the MV (style lines) and the Ducati (maker) have the little kid fanboy bias.

[Gramps]

Great thread Drano.


Not to derail this conversation at all but I find it interesting that the ZX-10 is dominant in WSBK but no one has voted that it is the bike they would buy. I can't remember a time when that was the case with another model/manufacturer.

[Hibs]

Great thread Drano.


Not to derail this conversation at all but I find it interesting that the ZX-10 is dominant in WSBK but no one has voted that it is the bike they would buy. I can't remember a time when that was the case with another model/manufacturer.

Honestly it's no surprise considering the local audience.

[madvlad]

Honestly it's no surprise considering the local audience.

Meaning...?

[teamextreme]

Performance-wise these bikes are all identical for my abilities and use. As someone already mentioned 90% of the general riding population can't even begin to use these bikes to their full potential, myself included. So, I would choose the one that has the best ergonomics, comfort and ability to be used on a daily basis, commuting, etc. From everything I've read the BMW wins that category hands down. So even though I'm a huge fan of V-motors, I'd choose the BMW.

[Drano]

Not to derail this conversation at all but I find it interesting that the ZX-10 is dominant in WSBK but no one has voted that it is the bike they would buy. I can't remember a time when that was the case with another model/manufacturer.

Not much of a derail. I was honestly wondering the same thing, myself. The Kawasaki is a damn good bike, especially for the money.


Honestly it's no surprise considering the local audience.

Actually, it is somewhat surprising, given the fact that last year's St. Patty's day parade was chocked full of CSCers on Kawis. You did make a good point that with the money you save on MSRP, you could spend that money on aftermarket performance mods like a full Bazzaz system, exhaust, and tune, and be right up there with the rest of them.

I think though, that under this thread, where practicality doesn't have to be the deciding factor, the others have much more to offer than the majority of JDMs. Just my opinion, though.

[Gramps]

Is it the looks that kill the performance ROI? That's my hypothesis. It seems to be one of those designs that you either love it or hate it......

:dunno:

[Drano]

As plenty of others have pointed out, this is entirely pointless because your choice is your opinion. As many pros as any of you can point out in favor of your choice, somebody else can point out just as many cons. Who cares if you feel that your choice is better than the rest! Just be happy with your pick and move on!

In the right hands, a good bike will improve a rider's confidence, which, in turn, will help he or she to ride closer to their personal limit. A perfect example is Jonathan Rea. For years he rode the CBR in WSBK and could only get so far. Then, last year, he got on the ZX-10R and dominated the season. Could he have performed the same, or better, on the Ducati or the Aprilia? Who knows. But something clicked for him on the Kawasaki and he was glorious!

Find the ride that works for you! If it feels right and helps you feel like you can explore the full potential between you and your machine, then be happy with that. If you really still feel like you have something to prove, take it to the track, otherwise it's all just fanciful words.

[Hibs]

Well no shit a good rider is going to go faster on a ZX10R vs a CBR..... ROFL. CBR has the lowest HP of the "big 4" bikes, has for years. And yall can talk about better brakes all you want, but someone already pointed out, the bike dominating WSBK isn't because of how much better it's brakes are.

[Drano]

Well no shit a good rider is going to go faster on a ZX10R vs a CBR..... ROFL. CBR has the lowest HP of the "big 4" bikes, has for years. And yall can talk about better brakes all you want, but someone already pointed out, the bike dominating WSBK isn't because of how much better it's brakes are.

Hibs, I'm going to assume that you don't actually watch WSBK or MotoGP so I'm going to fill you in on a little secret: most horsepower doesn't necessarily win races. Ducati has produced GP bikes that have tons of power and constantly break top speed records. But, guess what? They haven't won a race in over 5 years.

In WSBK, the bikes may be based off the production bikes that you and I can purchase at a dealership, but the rules allow teams to make improvements that significantly close the performance gaps separating them in stock form. Even when on the Honda, Jonathan Rea was able to win races because he's a damn fine rider. You are partially correct that power is one deficit the CBR possesses, however, comparatively speaking, the Kawasaki is a much more updated, and advanced, bike than the Honda (The ZX-10R actually has rider aids!), and KRT spare no expense to ensure the ZX-10R can compete at the top against "superior" machines. The same can't be said for Honda.

At any rate, chill out dude. It seems like nearly every post you've made on this thread has been in an attempt to argue and crap on anybody that doesn't share your point-of-view. If you're still butthurt that the H2 didn't get to play, get over it. You have the power to make threads too, if you want to gauge the forum's interest in the H2, go post something up!

[UglyDogRacing]

Well you got me on that one. I go back to my previous post. Why is that bike not the most popular? It has the biggest bang for the buck if you look at the spec sheet. Crazy!



The audience for this poll, the CSC, is a minute section of sport bike community. You're not going to get results that fairly represent the popularity of these bikes. Plus the ZX10 just arrived in the dealers this week. I doubt anyone has seen it firsthand yet. It looks to be the best race platform for 2016, just as the R1 was for 2015.

[Hibs]

Hibs, I'm going to assume that you don't actually watch WSBK or MotoGP so I'm going to fill you in on a little secret: most horsepower doesn't necessarily win races. Ducati has produced GP bikes that have tons of power and constantly break top speed records. But, guess what? They haven't won a race in over 5 years.

In WSBK, the bikes may be based off the production bikes that you and I can purchase at a dealership, but the rules allow teams to make improvements that significantly close the performance gaps separating them in stock form. Even when on the Honda, Jonathan Rea was able to win races because he's a damn fine rider. You are partially correct that power is one deficit the CBR possesses, however, comparatively speaking, the Kawasaki is a much more updated, and advanced, bike than the Honda (The ZX-10R actually has rider aids!), and KRT spare no expense to ensure the ZX-10R can compete at the top against "superior" machines. The same can't be said for Honda.

At any rate, chill out dude. It seems like nearly every post you've made on this thread has been in an attempt to argue and crap on anybody that doesn't share your point-of-view. If you're still butthurt that the H2 didn't get to play, get over it. You have the power to make threads too, if you want to gauge the forum's interest in the H2, go post something up!

You posted poll and asked for discussion. Now you're getting upset because I'm voicing my opinion? LOL... I'm not butthurt about anything with the H2. I don't care one way or another. I don't own either bike and don't plan to buy either. I ride a 16 year old Kawasaki that is now prepped for land speed racing, so I, like probably 99% of the other people on this forum, don't have any personal bias regarding the 2016 model lineup. Sure I'm a little bit of a Kawasaki Fan-Boy, but I can respect better machines when I see it. I already stated that when I said if I were to buy one bike and not mod it (from your choices given) it would be a BMW. But I still think the ZX10R is the best bang for my buck of all the bikes you've listed. But as it's already been stated numerous times, buy what makes you happy. The majority of people buy their street bike for looks first, performance second, and maybe brand loyalty third. And the large majority of people who are going to buy a 2016 liter bike aren't going to ride them to the bikes potential anyways (goes back to my local audience reference) so it really doesn't matter. But, you made a post, with a poll, with the inevitable response that people would argue why one bike is better then another.... so, why are you butthurt OP?

[Gramps]

The audience for this poll, the CSC, is a minute section of sport bike community. You're not going to get results that fairly represent the popularity of these bikes. Plus the ZX10 just arrived in the dealers this week. I doubt anyone has seen it firsthand yet. It looks to be the best race platform for 2016, just as the R1 was for 2015.


Agreed.

My experience is only with a minute section of the sport bike community as a whole so I'm only speaking in generalizations but the previous generations of the zx-10 seem to have a trend. I've lived in FL,TN,CO in the past few years and street as well as track riders in those states are not overwhelmingly buying the Kawi. It just seems to be a little bit different than the 636 that was very popular and even zx-6 to an extent that had a better following in my travels. I would expect for the new generation to be more popular but I still think it is an anomaly as far as past popularity goes.

Again just my generalizations based on my limited travel and exposure to different groups of riders.

[blaircsf]

Well you got me on that one. I go back to my previous post. Why is that bike not the most popular? It has the biggest bang for the buck if you look at the spec sheet. Crazy!


I had it on my list...

[Gramps]

I haven't read it thoroughly but it looks like they like it.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/kawasaki/2016-kawasaki-ninja-zx-10r-first-first-ride-review.html

[Drano]

You posted poll and asked for discussion. Now you're getting upset because I'm voicing my opinion?

Oh boy... :roll: If you are reading my posts and getting the sense that I'm somehow becoming upset, I apologize. That's not it at all. I'm quite happy you're voicing your opinion, that is the entire function of this thread. As long as the discussion is respectful towards the opinions of others, I stay hands-off.


But, you made a post, with a poll, with the inevitable response that people would argue why one bike is better then another.... so, why are you butthurt OP?

Point in fact, people can have discussions that don't devolve into arguments. So, while you may think an argument was the inevitable course this thread would take, as OP, I'm monitoring and moderating my thread to ensure that doesn't happen. Butthurt doesn't factor into my responses. However I did assume that you were, and I apologize if I was mistaken, but, I couldn't help but notice a consistent pattern in your behavior towards others, including me, in this thread which contains a lot of sarcasm and what could be perceived as insults towards others, and that is completely unnecessary.

The point of this thread is not to bait an argument. Nor should a person be required to defend their choice from somebody else. It's simple, make your choice, and explain why you made your choice. If we're all adults here, we can keep our explanations within the context of our choice without stepping on the choices of the others, and I won't have to say a thing. In my first post, I said, "Have fun with this, guys!" not "Make fun of the other guys!"

To summarize:
Having an opinion = Good
Claiming your opinion is better than the others' = Bad
Wanting to discuss why you feel your choice makes sense for you = Good
Talking down to, or insulting others, for expressing why their choice makes sense to them = Bad

Just keep it civil and there won't be a problem, and, stay on topic, please.

[Gramps]

Great conversation and great thread:up:

[Hibs]

I wasn't insulting or talking bad to anyone. Take it as you will. I'll let you have this thread, I'm out.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Oh wait, I DID buy the BMW...... :) Absolutely INSANE and linear motor, amazing handling (LOVE the DDC and forged wheels!), excellent brakes (Brembos, duh!), perfect fuel injection, excellent electronics (TC, stability control, race ABS, etc.), great ride and comfy ergos.....PLUS a real cruise control AND heated grips? I managed to rack up over 5,000 miles only riding in the mountains on weekends before December and I'm sold. Best bike I've ever owned so far!

[UglyDogRacing]

And which Forum Guideline did Bueller violate?

[Drano]

And which Forum Guideline did Bueller violate?


- Abuse of other users. We all know each other here and this is not your typical anonymous web board. If you have a problem with someone, use the board's private message feature, or don't post it. Abusive topics will be closed.

The guidelines can be found here:
http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/announcement.php?f=82&a=13

His problem with me is being discussed, as it should be, in PM.

[UglyDogRacing]

The guidelines can be found here:
http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/announcement.php?f=82&a=13

His problem with me is being discussed, as it should be, in PM.


Well, that's too bad that this forum continues to go down hill...

[Drano]

Well, that's too bad that this forum continues to go down hill...
/sigh... Unfortunately, you can't please everyone. If this is really a serious concern, would you care to discuss it via pm? As I have been trying to assert on numerous occasions, this thread is not the approriate place for this discussion. The reason this forum went downhill in the first place is due to members not abiding by the guidelines. I'm not trying to be heavy-fisted here, I'm trying to keep the thread I started from turning into something else. I apologize if that bothers people, but I'm simply trying to respect my original intent for my own thread.

[The Black Knight]

Man if Bueller got in trouble for saying something, then I'm sure I should have been banned years ago. Can't think of anything Bueller has ever said that was bad. Sure he's got his opinions but he's never been malicious about them. Like I say, I should have been banned long ago if that were the case....

[Drano]

Man if Bueller got in trouble for saying something, then I'm sure I should have been banned years ago. Can't think of anything Bueller has ever said that was bad. Sure he's got his opinions but he's never been malicious about them. Like I say, I should have been banned long ago if that were the case....

He didn't get in trouble, he didn't get banned. He got a post deleted, that's it.

Since it looks like this thread has run its course, I'm going to go ahead and close it. I'd like to thank everybody for participating, especially those who stayed on topic. I'll not be doing this again.