New Tracks?

[RC51BUZZ]

Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone else has heard any inofrmation about a track being built in Agate, CO? I also was wondering about a rumor that CDR may reopen for use next season!!!! Maybe just wishful thinking as I don't want to drive 5-8 hrs (sans pueblo and la junta) for track time. :banghead: Thanks!

[Archangel]

I haven't heard such rumors, but it would be nice.

[Boy Scout]

Motorsports Country Club (Agate): http://www.cwventuregroup.com/motorsportcountryclub/

Hope ya got deep pockets.

[pilot]

In addition to MCC another track is in the works. It's location is currently under wraps but financial obligations have already been made. This track is designed as a replacement for Pikes Peak. If all goes well it will be open next fall. Several auto groups are heading this up. This will be a basic track. No phone, no light, not a single luxury. Thus far, no mention of motorcycle groups being involved has been mentioned.

Another facility under consideration is near Genoa, which is a little further out on I-70 past Limon.

Of course, if you have lots of money... Pikes Peak Speedway is up for grabs. But, you have to buy the 1000 acres along with the track. Something which, to date, no one has been willing to do.

[motobum]

how much to join the cc track?

[Boy Scout]

Per someone who has been in contact with the developer:

$20,000 initial fee

$300 a month...maybe more, not sure yet

[DevilDuc]

WTF?!?!?!? :shocked::crazy:

[Archangel]

Per someone who has been in contact with the developer:

$20,000 initial fee

$300 a month...maybe more, not sure yet


Ouch... That seems a little steep... My flying club is only $35/month and we have a ramp full of planes...

Personally if they actually want to survive, I'd have around $35/month for member dues, then have something like $75/$100 for Half/Full day usage. The dues would provide steady income to the club, where the track fees could be used for normal track wear and tear, etc... I just don't see those of us in the motorsports scene forking out that kind of dough.

[rybo]

It's really not about us or the motorcycling scene, it's about rich people with fast and expensive cars. A country club, if you will, with a nice roadracing surface. The purpose of the price is to keep us dirtbag cheapskate guys riding 18 year old racebikes (only speaking for myself here.....) off of it.

Will it survive? The real question is will it ever get built.

Scott

[motobum]

there is no way there is more then 20 people in this state that would join.

[Wahooman]

Per someone who has been in contact with the developer:

$20,000 initial fee

$300 a month...maybe more, not sure yet

This is true. I have spoken with the developer and that is the fees as of right now. Someone stated no one would join........if its built I would bet the memberships are sold out ASAP. It would be those individuals with lots of disposable income....riding/driving their exotic toys. If I remember correctly it is like a 8 mile track...top of the line. It also will have a 10 mile off road course for 4X4, skid pad for drifting, etc.......
The garages are amazing from the descriptions I have read. If I had the money you bet I would be all over it!

Of course as someone stated, will it ever get built...........only time will tell.
As for other tracks.....there are a few that will be coming, but again time will tell. I hope in 2 years we will have several more tracks back in the state to enjoy. Until then......PMI and Hastings.....which btw Hastings is a GREAT facility and future plans for the track are amazing.

[Bueller]

I would like to see a track day at Hastings get put together, since I won't be racing there this year.

[Nick_Ninja]

This is true. I have spoken with the developer and that is the fees as of right now. Someone stated no one would join........if its built I would bet the memberships are sold out ASAP. It would be those individuals with lots of disposable income....riding/driving their exotic toys. If I remember correctly it is like a 8 mile track...top of the line. It also will have a 10 mile off road course for 4X4, skid pad for drifting, etc.......
The garages are amazing from the descriptions I have read. If I had the money you bet I would be all over it!

Of course as someone stated, will it ever get built...........only time will tell.
As for other tracks.....there are a few that will be coming, but again time will tell. I hope in 2 years we will have several more tracks back in the state to enjoy. Until then......PMI and Hastings.....which btw Hastings is a GREAT facility and future plans for the track are amazing.

And the bottom line ------------------ If I had the money

Good fucking luck ----- and if it happens talk about alienating the average Joe. That's against ALL aspects of 'GRASS ROOTS' racing. I must have missed something in the past twenty years of organized motorcycle racing in Colorado. Take a look at your main constituency.

[pilot]

Hey! Good news we can all pool our money and call our selves "Joe Average" on the membership form. We must wear our helmets at all times. That way, the owners of the Big Money track, errr, Hans, wouldn't know we were all sharing one membership card! If you can't beat-em, cheat-em.

[Polar X]

Good fucking luck ----- and if it happens talk about alienating the average Joe. That's against ALL aspects of 'GRASS ROOTS' racing. I must have missed something in the past twenty years of organized motorcycle racing in Colorado. Take a look at your main constituency.

I think you missed the point. That concept is not FOR grass roots racing, it is for those well healed people and companys that don't give a shit about grass roots. Unless they are browning up from a lack of water. We are not wanted or needed for thier concept. simple. If I had the money I would be all over it.

Look at it this way, you can ski/board at a 5***** resort or you can hang out at Loveland/ A-basin. It's all about coin. Those who have it and those who do not.

[The Black Knight]

Well if it's all about the coin, then there is obviously alot more that don't have alot of it, then those that do. Honestly alienating the common man would be detrimental. For one it's the common man that produces the wealth of the nation. Sure you have the elect few that can managed that kind of inital cost and monthly payments.

Though I think if they lowered the prices and allowed for everyone to join in, the turn out and long term outlook for income would far outweigh the few elect that manage the higher cost.

Sure it's a big track, but look at the Nurburgring. If I remember correctly it only cost I think 20 or 25 Euros per lap. That's roughly $30 per lap in American. That's a excellent track that allows enthusiast of all kinds. You've got your local exotics along with bikes and others running all on the track.

This tracks main purpose is for people with lots of money. It's a playground for the rich. And the rich only get richer by trampling on the backs of the common man. If they want to design a track like this with the cliental they have in mind that's fine. More power to them.

Honestly even if I had the kind of money it takes to join this elite club of racers with expensive toys I wouldn't join. I value money too much and budget it as to not just pitch it to the wind. I'd much rather ride at a local track for less money. And actually be in the company of real people who don't have a gigantic chip on their shoulder because of belonging to a super select club of racers. Not my cup of tea at all.

[Jaydoc]

These clubs apparently are doing fairly well:

http://www.motorsportranch.com/
http://www.autobahncountryclub.net/
http://www.alpinesignature.com/
http://www.springmountainmotorsports.com/Nav.aspx/Page=Http://www.clubspringmountain.com


They're popping up all over the country and the fees stated earlier in the thread are right in line with the fees being charged at these other clubs. That being said, many of them do allow non-clubmember usage but at a premium fee.

[Boy Scout]

This concept isn't new. Take golf for example. There are high-priced, exclusive golf clubs all over the world. They must be doing well or they wouldn't still be in business.

The difference is that I couldn't care less about a golf country club -- not only do I not have the money for it, I'm simply not interested in it. The track scenario is really no different, other than the fact that it's something we're interested in. I seriously doubt that someone building a high-priced, exclusive track-oriented country club is going to have any effect on the common man, other than to make them wish they had the money to afford to participate in it.


Honestly even if I had the kind of money it takes to join this elite club of racers with expensive toys I wouldn't join. I value money too much and budget it as to not just pitch it to the wind.
If you had the kind of money it takes to join this elite club of racers with expensive toys, you probably wouldn't be worried about budgeting or pitching it to the wind. If you have it, spend it. It's not going to be of any use to you when you're six feet under.

[Jaydoc]

Those prices, BTW ($20,000 to join then $300/month) aren't any higher than a lot of average country club fees. Given the choice I'll take piloting a fast bike/car around a track over chasing a little ball around a golf course for that money.

[The Black Knight]

This concept isn't new. Take golf for example. There are high-priced, exclusive golf clubs all over the world. They must be doing well or they wouldn't still be in business.

The difference is that I couldn't care less about a golf country club -- not only do I not have the money for it, I'm simply not interested in it. The track scenario is really no different, other than the fact that it's something we're interested in. I seriously doubt that someone building a high-priced, exclusive track-oriented country club is going to have any effect on the common man, other than to make them wish they had the money to afford to participate in it.


If you had the kind of money it takes to join this elite club of racers with expensive toys, you probably wouldn't be worried about budgeting or pitching it to the wind. If you have it, spend it. It's not going to be of any use to you when you're six feet under.


That last paragraph is the typical mentality people have. The exact reason why the rich keep getting richer and the poor get poorer. Nothing wrong with saving up money i.e. 401k's, 457 plans, Roth IRA's or just a plain savings accounts.

Yes money is to be spent, money has the most impact when used. Though money is not to be wasted. At least from my point of view.

As far as the comment about the only impact it will have on the common man is make them yearn to be like the rich. I'm sorry but I don't share the same sentiment. I also don't envy the rich as most people do.

[tripledigits]

I also heard the rumor about CDR perhaps reopening.....

It's amazing there are enough people out there willing to cough up the country club fees.

You could buy a condo for the fees, and have something to show for it.

[Lel]

I also heard the rumor about CDR perhaps reopening.....

It's amazing there are enough people out there willing to cough up the country club fees.

You could buy a condo for the fees, and have something to show for it.

actually many country clubs will allow you to 'sell' your membership once they have reached a maximum allowed membership if you want out. A lot of times you can make a crap load off of your membership.

If you have never been around many country clubs it can seem pretty strange to cough up that money... but there are A LOT of benefits, including dinners, site usage many other things that are little know. Price wise, it makes sense... what is 20k to the guy who plays 2 rounds of golf a week year round? He would be spending 5-10k a year in just green fees that he doesnt have to pay now... gets his ass kissed, clubs stored, cleaned etc. Let alone now the husband and wife that pay... thats 10-20k in green feeks alone in one year for a quality course. They do this as retiree's for 10 years... and that 20k now doesnt seem like much does it?

[Lel]

there is no way there is more then 20 people in this state that would join.

are you kidding!!!! i could probably give you 10 names in a second that would honestly consider joining at that rate... and thats only people i know.

$20,000 is not a lot of money for the people who own the porche's, lambo and such... and $300 a month? shit thats not even a set of tires for a race bike... are you kidding? Thats nothing.

If it gets built, you will see people lining up buying memberships, and dont be suprised if they hit their maximum and not take any new members.

[denverbusa]

Latest word I heard from the redneck (read NASCAR) crew I know is a track in the Commerce City industrial area. Headed up by some of the elite teams (read deep pockets) trying to replace PPIR. At least someone understands they can fill the stands if its a little more local to Denver than South of C.S. While putting a couple extra turns on an oval infield is not the best road race course it's still better than nothing. The blockade is the NIMBY's so out east (please not too far or it will go the same way as PPIR) may be a more viable option.

On the yatch clubs...
I've never looked down at anyone (even the rich) for the way they spend their money because if I had "disposable" income I'd be damned if I couldn't spend it anyway I want. Anyone who tries to tell me what to do with my money just because what I want to do with my money doesn't meet their needs :jerkoff: :loser::piss: is a fuckin' idiot with a socialist agenda that is going to find one hand full of shit.

[Lel]

While putting a couple extra turns on an oval infield is not the best road race course it's still better than nothing.


while the oval/nascar track is true... adding an infield at this point is not planned (or so i have heard)

jason

[denverbusa]

Wouldn't they need the infield to make it financially feasible?

Not just track days for us low budget guys as I am sure we wouldn't really pay the bills but getting an AMA race and regular MRA/other races might make it enticing to the ownership.

Just wish list I suppose. It's great spending other peoples money though!

[Lel]

Wouldn't they need the infield to make it financially feasible?

Not just track days for us low budget guys as I am sure we wouldn't really pay the bills but getting an AMA race and regular MRA/other races might make it enticing to the ownership.

Just wish list I suppose. It's great spending other peoples money though!

!!! not at all do you realize how much nascrap and other oval running organizations there are that have 100 times the spectators than AMA?

Look at talladaga and many MANY other nascar circuts... they dont have any infield and they have long out lived many circuits w/ infields.

[denverbusa]

Well FINE... I'll take my ball and go home then :cry: , ... crap no one cares.

Guess I'll have to get a truck with better gas MPG. When is that next PMP day?

[rybo]

End of this week! (maybe, weather looks not too promising)