Noise Ordinance in Denver Passed

[GregsGSXR]

I guess this applies to us as well. 80db Is the same as a lawnmower or a blender.

http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/loc...155214432.html

[Shea]

I guess this applies to us as well. 80db Is the same as a lawnmower or a blender.

http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/loc...155214432.html

Only if I take my bike to Denver. And since a $500 fine is not really something I look forward to I don't think I will spending any time there...

[Brizz]

I dont understand why this topic is in this section. What does it have to do with canyon carving, if the topic is about denver?

[GregsGSXR]

Just FYI. People come from all over to hit the canyons and it might be nice to avoid a $500 ticket getting there. Maybe go around instead of through Denver.

[Spiderman]

Just FYI. People come from all over to hit the canyons and it might be nice to avoid a $500 ticket getting there. Maybe go around instead of through Denver.

Good point. I've moved the thread to the General Discussion forum, but have left a permanent redirect in the Canyon Carving forum for just that reason.

[PhL0aTeR]

I usually avoid denver at all costs anyway..... but i gotta be there fri and sat for stupid traffic school... DOH

[Timmay]

It actually does not go into affect until, July 1st. I think they will probably be really strict at first, and than they will get more lack on it like the window tint law.

[Carlsbad]

cracking down on GDF-ing harleys and shitheads who like to drive above 10K rpms on rice rockets sounds like a great idea to me.

I don't see how they will ever enforce this though.

[Raptor]

I bet the thread for this topic on the local cruiser forums is waaaay longer than it is here.
In hindsight, I guess I'm glad I didn't rush to upgrade the cans.

G.

[dm_gsxr]

cracking down on GDF-ing harleys and shitheads who like to drive above 10K rpms on rice rockets sounds like a great idea to me.

I don't see how they will ever enforce this though.

Sounds pretty easy actually.

*wooo* "pull over".

Officer visually examines the can and doesn't see a stamp.

"Here's your ticket for loud pipes".

Easier than pulling out a tape measure, counting off 25', putting the decible meter in position, going over to the rider and having him (or her) hit 3,000 RPM (or whatever the law asks for), "here's your ticket for loud pipes". Not to mention having to deal with certifications and calibrations and testing.

Sounds like a piece of cake really.

Carl

[ChefQ]

So I have yet to see where you are to get tested and approved, Anyone?

[dm_gsxr]

So I have yet to see where you are to get tested and approved, Anyone?

Do you mean the EPA stamp? I think it only comes on stock cans.

Carl

[JustSomeDude]

So I have yet to see where you are to get tested and approved, Anyone?

I don't think you can get your exhaust tested. Basically, you have to have the OEM muffler with the EPA stamp or you're up Shit's Creek (sans paddle). Additionally, I don't think it would've mattered even if you had sound data to back up your after-market muffler under the old law.

According to the Denver Municipal Code, Chapter 36, Noise Control, Sec. 36-8 Motor Vehicle Noise, (c):

"It shall be unlawful for any person or for the owner of a motor vehicle to modify or change the exhaust muffler, air intake muffler or any other sound reducing device in such a manner that the noise emitted from the motor vehicle exceeds the sound pressure levels as established in Table B of this section [which is 80 dBA at a distance of 25 feet - any RPM] or, is increased above the sound pressure level of the vehicle as originally manufactured. Muffler cut-outs, by-passes or other devices which increase sound pressure levels, or change the original manufactured exhaust system of any motor vehicle shall be considered a violation of this chapter."

Reference: http://www.municode.com/resources/ga...id=10257&sid=6

So basically, even if you had some sort of documentation verifying that you met the 80 dBA limit at a distance of 25', the officer could hit you for having a modified exhaust. And now - all they have to look for is an EPA stamp. Without it, you're screwed.

As an acoustical engineer I plan to perform a variety of sound level measurements on my motorcycle in the coming days. Assuming I meet the old 80 dBA criteria as set forth in the Denver Municipal Code, I will prepare a document stating such and store it in my glove box. However, that will pretty much only be used with begging and pleading in the event I get pulled over - since it won't really matter without the EPA stamp. I guess it couldn't hurt to have on hand though.

[RF900guy]

The CS PD has been targeting bikes for the past couple of years under this same ordinance. I stopped riding the RF900 because it had a D & D can on it and I bought it that way from Colorado Powersports (in Castlerock) as I also didn't have the motorcycle endorsement on my license. I bought a stock Yamaha V-Max a couple weeks ago and it seams a little loud but it is bone stock.


I took a MSF course and as of a couple weeks ago received my M endorsement so I am legal now.

[chesthing]

cracking down on GDF-ing harleys and shitheads who like to drive above 10K rpms on rice rockets sounds like a great idea to me.

And that's exactly what this is about, the GD straight pipe fartin' Harleys. I've never heard a sportbike at redline that was half as loud as one of these POS's at 2,000rpms. We don't have anything to worry about. Actually I think it's about F'n time.

[LightningRider]

Found on Craigslist, Thursday morning.

http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/346942181.html

Loud pipes save lives


The city and county of Denver has decided to pass a law that says they can now pull you over for loud exhaust, I hope no one truly believes this is about exhaust. This is an excuse for them to pull you over, that’s that… they want us to start losing revenue like ks nv because people don’t want to be hassled ,lets show them what a stupid and unjust law this is no gas bought by riders, no clothes bought by riders, no nothing bought by riders , we can make a stand we can make a difference . simper –fi….. the right to ride free.



I'd wager it's from the Hardley contingent.

[All-Labout-me]

Found on Craigslist, Thursday morning.

we can make a stand we can make a difference . simper –fi….. the right to ride free.

I'd wager it's from the Hardley contingent.

Who ever it was they aren't a Marine. No Jar Head would ever misspell "Semper Fi".

[salsashark]

Who ever it was they aren't a Marine. No Jar Head would ever misspell "Semper Fi".

that's what I was thinking...

[Andiamó]

Just got this from the AMA:

New Denver Noise Law Allows Tickets for Having Aftermarket Exhaust Systems

PICKERINGTON, Ohio - The American Motorcyclist Association has expressed
serious concerns about a new law passed by the Denver City Council that
essentially requires all riders in the city to use only stock exhaust
systems on their motorcycles.

On June 4, Denver officials approved changes to the city's vehicle noise
ordinance that allow police to issue tickets to riders if their bikes don't
have a federal Environmental Protection Agency sound-certification label on
the exhaust systems. The new ordinance, which takes effect July 1, would
apply to all motorcycles made since 1982, which was the first year that
federal law required motorcycles sold in the U.S. to comply with EPA sound
regulations.

In practical terms, that means the bike would have to have the original
exhaust system installed by the manufacturer. Violators would have two weeks
to prove to a judge that they have fixed the problem or would be forced to
pay a $500 fine.

Previously, the Denver ordinance required all motor vehicles to pass a sound
test that set a limit of 80 decibels at 25 feet. That type of performance
standard remains in effect for cars and trucks, except that the allowable
limits have been raised. Under the new ordinance, vehicles with a gross
weight rating under 10,000 pounds couldn't exceed 82 db(A) at 25 feet, and
trucks over 10,000 pounds couldn't exceed 90 db(A) at 50 feet. Only
motorcycles would be subject to the EPA sound certification labeling
requirement.

"We understand the motivation for cities to pass laws controlling sound
levels from traffic," said Ed Moreland, AMA Vice President for Government
Relations. "But the approach being taken in Denver creates a special class
of enforcement that unfairly targets motorcyclists. Loud trucks and cars are
every bit as annoying as loud motorcycles, but only motorcyclists would be
subject to this new provision of the labeling law."

To understand the restrictions being imposed on motorcyclists, Moreland
asked car drivers to consider the impact if Denver city officials had
instead required stock mufflers on cars, making it illegal for Denver
drivers to buy replacement exhaust systems from companies like Midas or
Meineke.

"That would force everyone who drives a Ford to return to the Ford dealer
and get the exact replacement muffler every time their exhaust system wore
out," he noted.

The AMA's position on the new Denver ordinance got support June 7 in an
editorial in the Rocky Mountain News which stated: "As more than one critic
of the ordinance ... noted, it just doesn't appear ready for prime time."

Several years ago, the city of Albuquerque, New Mexico, passed a similar
certification ordinance affecting motorcyclists there. Motorcyclist groups,
included the AMA, worked with city officials for two years before that
provision was rescinded and the city went back to a performance-based sound
standard.

The AMA has a decades-long history of opposition to excessive motorcycle
sound, and has hosted national summits on the subject that have brought
together riders, manufacturers, aftermarket companies, law-enforcement
officers and government officials. Those summits have resulted in the
development of "
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tp%3A%2F%2Fwww.amadirectlink.com%2Flegisltn%2FSoun d_Advice.asp> Sound
Advice," a document that represents the motorcycle community's response to
this contentious issue. Among the groups that have supported that effort is
ABATE of Colorado, which has issued a position paper warning riders that
they could face this kind of discriminatory enforcement because of growing
public complaints about traffic sound levels.

The AMA is contacting Denver City Council members in hopes of opening up a
dialogue on this topic before enforcement of the new law begins on July 1.

"We look forward to working with the Denver City Council to come up with a
more reasonable solution for dealing with excessive sound levels from
traffic," Moreland said. "Our experience has shown that there are a range of
approaches cities can take to this issue without imposing restrictive laws
on motorcyclists."

[mclarke]

So when are they going to make use put some sort of roll cage around the bike, o wait better yet lets just take away any and all freedom to do anything.

Why don't they just seal us all in little boxes so people can stop bitching about everything

[dm_gsxr]

You mean like this:





Carl

[DeeStylez]

That really sux, hopefully I will be ok with the stock that I have on my bike now.

"Hopefully they will stay out of Denver,"

yeaaa right

[Jason ON]

Stock cans for the past 25 years (since 1982) are supposed to meet the 80dB limit. It's aftermarket cans they're going for.

[ChefQ]

I dont get caught for speeding, maybe I wont get caught for loud pipes. haha jk anyone got a stock can for a 2000 gsxr 750 potential trade for yoshi pipes
Stock one must have the stamp though. Then I will hollow it out and really be a loud a$$hole