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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Sortarican View Post
    Didn't CO adopt the Cali law about X number of vehicles behind you on a mountain road and you're SUPPOSED to pull over and let them pass?
    That would alleviate a lot of the problem.
    A lot of moutain road pull out areas for slow moving vehicles need to be used more often. The problem seems to be that nobody wants to admit that they are the "slow" vehicle. All of us have probably followed behind a slow truck, RV or car and watched as they pass one pull out after another.

    On a side note............
    I recently followed a motorhome RV down to Longmont from Estes Park. I have NEVER seen an RV go that fast. It was interesting to watch the guy. He must have been a fellow motorhead.

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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisCBX View Post
    On a side note............
    I recently followed a motorhome RV down to Longmont from Estes Park. I have NEVER seen an RV go that fast. It was interesting to watch the guy. He must have been a fellow motorhead.
    The wife and I are proud new owners of a used 32 foot RV. You want a lesson in how important setting up for a turn is then drive one of those babies on a curvy road. Talk about feeling the chassis loading and unloading! But if you do it right and apply the same principles you use for riding a bike (or driving a car) on the track then you can really keep up your speed in the curves. If, however, you have no idea what a late apex turn is or how to use all of a lane then you're going to be braking all the time and driving slow in general.
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    Not a slam, but I am curious if you've been on the board for 3 years, even if you've just been reading the board, why does this thread surprise you? I mean it's pretty much par for the course on here.

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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by The GECCO View Post
    Any time you're ready to push lane splitting through the state legislature let me know. The position of the AMA and the MRA along with a vise grip of lobby support might just be the thing that the motorcycling community of this state needs.


    Side note: I came back from Steamboat this past weekend (7/4) and the experience I had on I-70 was nothing short of FUCKED UP. I could have made it to Idaho Springs from the Eisenhower Tunnel in less than 30 minutes ---- it took over 2 hours. I'm at the point of planting IED's and taking out a few SUV's that seem to be in the way of progress.
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    No Pass.

    In this case the trailer (and tow vehicle in front of it) totaling about 36 feet in length will be at the corner entry in 3-4 second while traveling about 40 MPH. Considering that the side marker posts are about 100 feet apart on the straight stretch, that would mean from the rider's POV, that at 60 MPH the rider will make the corner in about 5 seconds. This would not be enough time to reasonably move back in between the two vehicles and stand up and take a bow--especially considering that the front vehicle's driver isand will brake and decrease the following distance between the two vehicles prior to the following tower braking. Also, the is shining brightly and slightly to the right in the face of oncoming traffic--perhaps obscuring their view and perhaps timing. Should, say, Rybo and Scott come flying around the approach at 70 MPH the closing distance between our rider, Valentino, and thus would be fast approaching a head-on crash.

    Additionally, upon closer inspection, there is an endangered-species osprey on sitting atop the 16th evergreen to the right and it is about to swoop down on a that is ravaging the apple core thrown into the ditch by a previous passer-by. None of this would sit well with the National Park Patrol (same one who spent precious time with Cathy last year) who is sitting just around the corner reading this season's program about the MRA and the Colorado Sportbike Club--thinking what a nice group of R2SL volunteers and safe riders these people are.

    All distances and times are estimates. But hey, that's what we do (estimate) every time we ride.
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick_Ninja View Post
    Any time you're ready to push lane splitting through the state legislature let me know. The position of the AMA and the MRA along with a vise grip of lobby support might just be the thing that the motorcycling community of this state needs.


    Side note: I came back from Steamboat this past weekend (7/4) and the experience I had on I-70 was nothing short of FUCKED UP. I could have made it to Idaho Springs from the Eisenhower Tunnel in less than 30 minutes ---- it took over 2 hours. I'm at the point of planting IED's and taking out a few SUV's that seem to be in the way of progress.
    Jeff (and everybody else), next time try the old frontage road that goes from around exit 216, I believe, through Silver Plume, then on the highway to Georgetown (2 miles) get back off and ride the old US 6 all the way down through Empire into Idaho Springs. In the past I have taken several riders on this scenic route and general time saver. Less car exhaust. too!
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot View Post
    Jeff (and everybody else), next time try the old frontage road that goes from around exit 216, I believe, through Silver Plume, then on the highway to Georgetown (2 miles) get back off and ride the old US 6 all the way down through Empire into Idaho Springs. In the past I have taken several riders on this scenic route and general time saver. Less car exhaust. too!
    We were on the frontage road and it sucked equal ass.
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick_Ninja View Post
    We were on the frontage road and it sucked equal ass.
    That calls for Bo-Jo's!
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    I pass. I usually check with new people to see if they will as well. If not, I usually won't pass on a DY if I am in the minority.

    I have a group I ride with all the time. Couple of us do, the slower guys sometimes will, but we end up waiting for them anyways.

    Buddy and I puled out of a waterfall overlook and he promptly pass a white Durango. I noticed the plates were solid white and marked as "permanent" so waited. Sure enough the Smokey Mtns park ranger lit my buddy up. And only gave him a warning! The gods were smiling that day.

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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick_Ninja View Post
    Sight distance includes:
    • Traffic Conditions
    • Road Conditions
    • Cops
    + daylight conditions
    + parking lots
    + wildlife


    Quote Originally Posted by *KEN* View Post
    Make sure the car you're passing isn't about to make a left-hand turn...
    Yeah, I saw a R1 ram the rear left corner of a minivan in this exact discription. Weird.
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    And I wasn't driving any less safe than you were.
    It's subjective dear David. Leave it alone.
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick_Ninja View Post
    Any time you're ready to push lane splitting through the state legislature let me know. The position of the AMA and the MRA along with a vise grip of lobby support might just be the thing that the motorcycling community of this state needs.
    I'd love to, but between the MRA, CAMA(HPR) and the CMC my free time is nearing non-existent levels. I would be happy to contribute what I can, but it'll be 2009-2010 (MRA prez term is over and hopefully HPR is up and running) before I'd have the time to be the lead on such a project.
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by The GECCO View Post
    I'd love to, but between the MRA, CAMA(HPR) and the CMC my free time is nearing non-existent levels. I would be happy to contribute what I can, but it'll be 2009-2010 (MRA prez term is over and hopefully HPR is up and running) before I'd have the time to be the lead on such a project.
    If you guys are serious about this, let me know. My sister worked in the senate this last year and has got a few (influential) guys drooling over her. Figure anything will help, and I would love to be able to lane split like I did back in Cali.

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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Ahhhhh, the lane splitting debate....
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    This is coming from a 2 year rider, mind you, but I'd like to say I would never pass on a DY (barring a cager wave on/pull over). In fact I have to say I was rather impressed with the group I rode with on Sunday. There were many times when the agitation of a *cough* mini-van *cough* would hold up all 9 of us. Instead of passing,the leaders just pulled aside to give us some space and then we returned back to the road.
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    I have...will I again...probably not. Its when people get too comfortable on bikes is when people end up getting hurt. Man im still kicking myself in the ass for that and I was lucky to even make it! :\
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by grafix View Post
    Its when people get too comfortable on bikes is when people end up getting hurt. Man im still kicking myself in the ass for that and I was lucky to even make it! :\
    Being comfortable on your bike is a goal, complacency is another thing.
    If it scared you that bad you screwed it up. I pass all the time unless they GTFO. I have cut some close but I am very confident in my pass before I go.


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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Bueller View Post
    Being comfortable on your bike is a goal, complacency is another thing.
    If it scared you that bad you screwed it up. I pass all the time unless they GTFO. I have cut some close but I am very confident in my pass before I go.
    Yes being comfortable on a bike is a goal, however getting too comfortable is when i see people get hurt...atleast thats how it is back in Ohio. At first you are all cautious, you are defensive...then you start getting comfortable with the speed, with the adrenaline, and you do stupid shit...I have had friends killed because they got "too comfortable." Im not saying being comfortable is a bad thing, im saying it can be corruptive and can make you careless.
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    Be comfortable but stay within yourself. We all make bad decisions, just try to minimize them.
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    Big Boy (and Girl) rules apply....take the appropriate risk for YOU and deal with any consequences......Sandboxshooter out......(Chad, I really like the comment about stupid advice......lol.) I ALWAYS take advice for the same reasons.

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    Im pretty sure most of the rv people are not bike rider/or car drivers... so they dont know what to do...
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    Re: The Double Yellow Pass

    A. Lane Splitting-Just got back from Paris and London, lane splitting-YEEEEEHAAAA!!! The cages don't mind it works great and road rage seems non-existent....let's do it. Just because there is a law ok'ing it doesn't mean you have to.
    B. Double Yellow Passing-Yes. I was told by a LEO that in Larimer County, the judge throws out impeding tickets almost all the time. I almost always ride the speed limit, so if I catch you on my 636, you are really slow. I seem to get waved by a lot on my sport bike. So I can to 70 mph in 1st gear, my exposure time is nil, if I know the road or can see down it aways, and the vehicle is well below the speed limit, my sight picture is good, road conditions are good.....I go.

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    Month & a half Bump, Mon Jul 7th, 2008, 04:12 PM

    been stewing on this little piece of a ride report for a week or so.
    Slowed to a near crawl by now, I remember weaving through the debris field so as not to run across anything that would damage a tire, but I was getting ever closer to Mitch lying in the road. John and I soon passed right near him and beyond and stopped our bikes and got off to determine what had happened. A woman beside the road was already on her cell phone calling for help, and several other passenger cars had pulled off the road.
    John asked if I was OK and went to see if Mitch could be helped, maybe even to perform CPR on our new riding buddy. He came back to me and said two words I’ll never forget and never want to hear again, “He’s dead.” Mitch had crossed into oncoming traffic while passing a car and slammed head-on into the front of the truck. The fuel tank on his bike exploded causing the fire on the truck, and the rest of the bike exploded into an uncountable number of pieces, resulting in the debris field in the road, with the rear section of the bike stuck under the front of the truck.
    One witness told me later that she had told her husband after Mike had passed them then Mitch passed them, “ They look like they are having so much fun, David, you should get a bike HE’S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT!” It happened that quickly.
    I wasn't on this ride or personally acuainted with the rider, but we were headed to the same rally that evening by different roads.
    http://www.legacy.com/gazette/Obitua...onId=115519162

    He certainly wasn't a stupid or thoughtless person as you can tell by his obituary. It's a grim reminder that it only takes one error in judgement or bit of bad luck. This is partly why I'm downsizing to a 500 or a duallie for now.

    I rode up to Denver & back today on the ST. I told myself from the beginning that I wasn't going to go wild with speed or do any DYPs. I only passed clean today and kept it down in the 8 pt range. It only hurt a little. This was the source of inspiration for the 9/6 ride that I posted. Take it easy, everybody.
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