Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations

[The Black Knight]

I snagged this from another forum I'm on. What's everyone's thoughts on this? Does it sound like someone high up knows something we don't? Seems a bit overkill to me and I've always felt this is what the National Guard is for.

Worse case scenerio?
I think the Government is finally mobilizing in a quiet way for the next Civil War to come. It would only play to their advantage to have troops here in order to start dealing with uprisings.

Scary times we live in, and though I'm not looking forward to it. I've always felt that we've had Civil War 2.0 well on it's way.
p.s.
sorry for the lenght of the post(s)


http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/22/headlines#10
Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations

Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/


Part 1....
Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

[The Black Knight]

part 2...
Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.
Other branches included

The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”


Thought this ACT was rather interesting in corrospondence to the new brigade being employed.

"The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement police or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states, their counties and municipal divisions) in the former Confederate states.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the United States National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act.

The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement."

[Shea]

What we have a law that prevents us from using the army inside the US? Can't we just overlook that? Cool, carry on...

Guess I need to stock up some more supplies.

[Mental]

Its paranoia over reacting to something that isn't that new. US Northern Command (NORTHCOM) has always been tasked with domestic operations. The trick is we can't deploy federal forces unless requested. That was the failure in Katrina and the resulted pre positioning for the last few hurricanes. They are trained in crowd control so that you don't have a situation involving a Iraq veteran trying to secure an area after a diasaster from panicing citiizens and the only alternative he has is what he has been doing for the last 180 days in a war zone. Kent State anyone?

CBRNE stands for Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear Equipment. Its the suits you see the guys wearing for gas attacks. It has been a long standing fear of a dirty bomb or a bio attack after the Anthrax stuff showed up post 9/11

As far as a civil war, I say now and continue to say more peaple vote for American Idol than vote in mid term Senate/Congress elections. If peaple are too lazy to vote, how are they going to find motivation to fight?

Finally the use of military inside the US only involves law enforcement, Posse Comatatis states that the military cannot be used to enfoce US law, but they can and have been used for relief efforts.

[Nick_Ninja]

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I think the Government is finally mobilizing in a quiet way for the next Civil War to come.

"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid. Step outta line, the man come and take you away."


Yes, there is an angry left out there. And yes, they do have guns.

I for one wouldn't mind using this device on numerous GOP SUV's ------- with the owners strapped in with zip ties and duct tape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDngpTmpzQ

[Canuck]

I think it's funny that Lord Helmet is now reduced to quoting Democracy Now.

[The Black Knight]

I think it's funny that Lord Helmet is now reduced to quoting Democracy Now.

Actually dumbass, I was taking it from Taurusarmed.net Forums. Go there and find it for yourself. I wasn't using any of the quotes as mine. Just taking them word for word from a poster on TaurusArmed.net.

Just figured I'd post it here to see what others thought about it. Just as the poster from the other forum did. I wasn't trying to stir up anything. I'm sorry I posted this up on your precious little site. Since you're a admin, why don't you show us the power you've got and remove it. That should give you a boner for a few hours.

[RCStylin']

Paranoia causes stress. I elect not to particpate in it, ever.

[Canuck]

Paranoia causes stress. I elect not to participate in it, ever.

That is a valid point that is lost on many individuals.

[DanFZ1]

Whatever happened to the third Amendment? I thought we still had one of those first five up running. But not the third? oh well

[Nick_Ninja]

Whatever happened to the third Amendment? I thought we still had one of those first five up running. But not the third? oh well

Total disregard -- along with the rest of the Constitution

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...dreds_of_laws/

[DanFZ1]

Total disregard -- along with the rest of the Constitution

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...dreds_of_laws/

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[Nick_Ninja]

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And here we are mouthing off in an online forum?
Quick, switch everything to bianary!

..... and happiness is ignorance (its spelled binary NOT bianary) -------- an riding a lame FZ1.

[DanFZ1]

..... and happiness is ignorance (its spelled binary NOT bianary) -------- an riding a lame FZ1.

No ... Happiness is your favourite riders going over to Yamaha.

and from 2000, when you could get the 2001 model, up until 2004, it was listed as the best all rounder in it's displacement category. (Yamaha never even had to change a single nut on that bike the entire time) It never got reviewed every year because nothing changed until the Gen II came along.

....my bike is the best...