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    Dirk - School me on 'Dark Flow'

    I have been reading some cool articles on this new discovery. Seems very anti-light. Is it a wave is it a particle type thing.


    As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered.

    Patches of matter in the universe seem to be moving at very high speeds and in a uniform direction that can't be explained by any of the known gravitational forces in the observable universe. Astronomers are calling the phenomenon "dark flow."

    The stuff that's pulling this matter must be outside the observable universe, researchers conclude.

    When scientists talk about the observable universe, they don't just mean as far out as the eye, or even the most powerful telescope, can see. In fact there's a fundamental limit to how much of the universe we could ever observe, no matter how advanced our visual instruments. The universe is thought to have formed about 13.7 billion years ago. So even if light started travelling toward us immediately after the Big Bang, the farthest it could ever get is 13.7 billion light-years in distance. There may be parts of the universe that are farther away (we can't know how big the whole universe is), but we can't see farther than light could travel over the entire age of the universe.

    Mysterious motions

    Scientists discovered the flow by studying some of the largest structures in the cosmos: giant clusters of galaxies. These clusters are conglomerations of about a thousand galaxies, as well as very hot gas which emits X-rays. By observing the interaction of the X-rays with the cosmic microwave background (CMB), which is leftover radiation from the Big Bang, scientists can study the movement of clusters.

    The X-rays scatter photons in the CMB, shifting its temperature in an effect known as the kinematic Sunyaev-Zel'dovich (SZ) effect. This effect had not been observed as a result of galaxy clusters before, but a team of researchers led by Alexander Kashlinsky, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., found it when they studied a huge catalogue of 700 clusters, reaching out up to 6 billion light-years, or half the universe away. They compared this catalogue to the map of the CMB taken by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite.

    They discovered that the clusters were moving nearly 2 million mph (3.2 million kph) toward a region in the sky between the constellations of Centaurus and Vela. This motion is different from the outward expansion of the universe (which is accelerated by the force called dark energy).

    "We found a very significant velocity, and furthermore, this velocity does not decrease with distance, as far as we can measure," Kashlinsky told SPACE.com. "The matter in the observable universe just cannot produce the flow we measure."

    Inflationary bubble

    The scientists deduced that whatever is driving the movements of the clusters must lie beyond the known universe.

    A theory called inflation posits that the universe we see is just a small bubble of space-time that got rapidly expanded after the Big Bang. There could be other parts of the cosmos beyond this bubble that we cannot see.

    In these regions, space-time might be very different, and likely doesn't contain stars and galaxies (which only formed because of the particular density pattern of mass in our bubble). It could include giant, massive structures much larger than anything in our own observable universe. These structures are what researchers suspect are tugging on the galaxy clusters, causing the dark flow.

    "The structures responsible for this motion have been pushed so far away by inflation, I would guesstimate they may be hundreds of billions of light years away, that we cannot see even with the deepest telescopes because the light emitted there could not have reached us in the age of the universe," Kashlinsky said in a telephone interview. "Most likely to create such a coherent flow they would have to be some very strange structures, maybe some warped space time. But this is just pure speculation."

    Surprising find

    Though inflation theory forecasts many odd facets of the distant universe, not many scientists predicted the dark flow.

    "It was greatly surprising to us and I suspect to everyone else," Kashlinsky said. "For some particular models of inflation you would expect these kinds of structures, and there were some suggestions in the literature that were not taken seriously I think until now."

    The discovery could help scientists probe what happened to the universe before inflation, and what's going on in those inaccessible realms we cannot see.
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    Re: Dirk - School me on 'Dark Flow'

    There is no such thing as gravity.
    All the effects previously attributed to the weak force of gravity were recently determined to just be
    everything in the universe reacting to the fact that Dana sucks.

    Oh, and Sarah Palin told me that coal and oil deposits are the remains of dead Smurfs.
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    Damn Dana. You are getting all brainy today. I am just trying to understand how they get the cheeze in the spray can.

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    mmmm Palin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaclis View Post
    mmmm Palin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaclis View Post
    the universe (which is accelerated by the force...


    See? George had it right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devaclis View Post
    "The structures responsible for this motion have been pushed so far away by inflation, I would guesstimate they may be hundreds of billions of light years away, that we cannot see even with the deepest telescopes because the light emitted there could not have reached us in the age of the universe," Kashlinsky said in a telephone interview. "Most likely to create such a coherent flow they would have to be some very strange structures, maybe some warped space time. But this is just pure speculation."


    I think the last sentence says it all. What these measurements mean will play out over time but I wouldn't get too fired up about possible explanations.

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    So I won't be betting a replicator or matter-antimatter propulsion system any time soon? Damn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaclis View Post
    So I won't be betting a replicator or matter-antimatter propulsion system any time soon? Damn
    Well, if Soichiro were still alive the 2009 VFR would have had the antimatter propulsion engine but the current group of Honda managers could only come up with the DN-01.

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    Re: Dirk - School me on 'Dark Flow'

    Quote Originally Posted by dirkterrell View Post
    Well, if Soichiro were still alive the 2009 VFR would have had the antimatter propulsion engine
    Or at least a V5 with gear driven cams...

    Quote Originally Posted by dirkterrell View Post
    but the current group of Honda managers could only come up with the DN-01.

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    Re: Dirk - School me on 'Dark Flow'

    "Dark Flow".....hey! I think that's what happened to Steve the next morning after he got some bad BBQ for sunday's dinner on our trip!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaclis View Post
    Inflationary bubble
    The scientists deduced that whatever is driving the movements of the clusters must lie beyond the known universe.

    A theory called inflation posits that the universe we see is just a small bubble of space-time that got rapidly expanded after the Big Bang.
    There could be other parts of the cosmos beyond this bubble that we cannot see....
    So if these objects exist beyond our known universe, and were not involved in the big bang, wouldn't that mean they must be older than 13.7 billion years?
    In all probability much older.
    Therefore wouldn't light/x-ray/radio waves emitted by them have crossed our universes expansion path by now?
    Wouldn't the light/time restriction only be relivent to energy emitted within our universe, not from outside it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devaclis View Post
    ...In these regions, space-time might be very different, ...It could include giant, massive structures much larger than anything in our own observable universe...
    Ahhh, so massive structures like those would collapse and form super massive black holes.
    And now all we feel is the effect of thier gravity but thier light/x-rays/radio waves were sucked back in before reaching us.

    OK, I guess that makes sense.........NOT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sortarican View Post

    Ahhh, so massive structures like those would collapse and form super massive black holes.
    And now all we feel is the effect of thier gravity but thier light/x-rays/radio waves were sucked back in before reaching us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sortarican View Post
    So if these objects exist beyond our known universe, and were not involved in the big bang, wouldn't that mean they must be older than 13.7 billion years?
    In all probability much older.
    Therefore wouldn't light/x-ray/radio waves emitted by them have crossed our universes expansion path by now?
    Wouldn't the light/time restriction only be relivent to energy emitted within our universe, not from outside it.
    What's your missing here Jeff is that the universe is only 6000 years old. Therefore the light/x-ray/radio waves have crossed this path several times. That's if you believe such nonsense as the speed of light is constant(-ish) and cannot be exceeded. And Chewbacca lives on Endor, but Endor is home to Ewoks, therefore he exists in a temporal paradox of his own design...
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    We live in a snow globe.
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