crash yesterday at 85/87 exit and academy offramp

[Pandora-11]

I hit a deer at 90mph and was knocked out with a wraparound helmet on. i was hit by a drunk and had my left ankle ripped off my leg. Every bike i have ever owned for the past thirty five years I ALWAYS had gear (helmet, leathers, tank bag, etc.) wrapped up in the loan from the bank. I don't support helmet laws and I especially don't support helmet laws that are attached to other 'perks' like lane splitting. Don't even attempt to legislate common sense.

OMG Mean Nick....you don't have a left ankle?
I'm sorry...truly

[Tipys]

Im all for free choice but I have also been of the fence about a helmet law. There are pros and cons to both ways like with anything. One of the big pros for it is it will lower deaths and make overall riders safer IMO leading to lower insurace cause of lower risks in turn saving everybody money. But I not going to get to into detail about this cause the pros and cons go back and forth for awhile. But someone said something about not likely to live in a high speed wreck even with a helmet. This was post before. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/091016arai.htm


RIP Riders

[R1chie]

im a fan of a helmet law in exchange for spiltting traffic like we can in cali. sure thats a huge risk here with the non-driving mofo's that we have, but taking that into account, riding a bike or driving your car is a risk of getting hit in this state. so you dont want a helmet, i want to be able to split traffic at a light or in gridlock

What you are saying is..

Translated.. I want to be able to do even more dangerous stuff as long as I wear a helmet. This is what young riders have been saying all along. Your reason is not for safety, it is for being more dangerous to yourself and to cagers. I don't think it will ever fly.

I believe, if the government force all motorcycle riders to NOT wear a helmet, we may have riders that are more cautious and ride slower. A person not wearing a helmet is very aware that even the slightest mistake could cause head trama. They are generally more cautious. What I see on this board is riders who say, well if I wear race leathers with pads and a good helmet, this will allow me to ride faster and take greater risk and break more laws. Now you are saying, because we are forced to wear helmets for safety, it should allow us to drive in even a more unsafe manner. I get pissed if another rider passing me in the opposite wheel track because it puts us both in danger, you want to ride even closer to cagers. This is stupid reasoning to me. If you are truly interested in protecting people from themselves then lane splitting is not safe either and will never pass. But many are trying to force legislation to take away another freedom of choice

People who don't wear helmets do not cause a safety issue for others. Lane splitting breaks current laws and puts riders and cagers in danger because it is already difficult for them to see us, putting us in between makes it even more difficult for them to see us.

[R1chie]

One of the big pros for it is it will lower deaths and make overall riders safer IMO leading to lower insurace cause of lower risks in turn saving everybody money.

Has manditory seatbelts lowered your insurance? No. In fact it is a great revenue generator for the state and the city. They make a ton of money because they can pull people over and give them tickets.

Has airbags made driving safer? No in fact it has injured many even with lower presure bags. The idea of a soft pillow that comes out is a good idea, but that is not what happens, it is an explosion the hurts and even injures people. Auto manufacturers would NEVER put airbags in a car because of the liability, only the government can injure you without you being able to hold them accountable. If airbags were so safe, nascar and other car racing organizations would mandate them.

Airbags increase the cost of your car. If they deploy in a minor fender bender, the cost to repair your car goes up. You think this costs you less money, has it cause our insurance to go down? No, I would guess it caused it to go up because insurance companies have to pay to have the airbags replace in an accident.

No restrictive laws we create will ever lower the cost of insurance. They used this same argument when they stated that we would make insurance manditory, I have yet to see my insurance go down. Your argument it saves money is not a good one.

[Monkeychops]

Hey guys this is my first post here, I'll introduce myself later. I just found out that the passenger on the bike in the accident was my friends mother. He's a student up at CSU and they were very close. I'll pass along the sympathy and kind words. I know he'll appreciate it since he rides too.
~Austin

[Devaclis]

Hey Monkeychops,

Let your friend know we wish him the best. Sad

[Tipys]

I believe, if the government force all motorcycle riders to NOT wear a helmet, we may have riders that are more cautious and ride slower. A person not wearing a helmet is very aware that even the slightest mistake could cause head trama. They are generally more cautious. What I see on this board is riders who say, well if I wear race leathers with pads and a good helmet, this will allow me to ride faster and take greater risk and break more laws. Now you are saying, because we are forced to wear helmets for safety, it should allow us to drive in even a more unsafe manner. I get pissed if another rider passing me in the opposite wheel track because it puts us both in danger, you want to ride even closer to cagers. This is stupid reasoning to me. If you are truly interested in protecting people from themselves then lane splitting is not safe either and will never pass. But many are trying to force legislation to take away another freedom of choice

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To force not wearing helmets would in no way make riders safer. No matter how cautious you are you still have no control over what a cager is doing(watch the chip I post they explain and show a helmet from someone that the cager hit them) simple as that. Also most people I have road with that dont where helmets dont ride cautious in anyway they do it cause they look cooler without a helmet and dont think the risks are big enough for them to need one. Agian thats most the ride without helmets no all.

No restrictive laws we create will ever lower the cost of insurance. They used this same argument when they stated that we would make insurance manditory, I have yet to see my insurance go down. Your argument it saves money is not a good one.

Who know what insurance has done it may not get you insurce to go pre-say but it could have kept it from going up. Who knows I dont work for insurance place but there is always that chance.

[Devaclis]

^^ Because requiring seatbelt usage did not lower rates. Requiring child saftey seats did not lower rates. Tough DWI laws did not lower insurance rates. NOTHING you put into law will lower rates. If a device was created that made it impossible to get into an auto accident, the rates would not go down. Insurance is compulsory AND the companies providing it work in a capitalist economy. There is NO reason to lower rates if people will continue to pay the current or higher ones.

[Tipys]

Like I said who knows my rates will go down if I take an mfs. Insurace is all about numbers is the time setbelts and air bags came around there were more people getting on the road which ups the risk and while those things lowered it the didn't change the cost cause the risk factor didn't change. So for all anyone knows it could have lowered rates or kept them from going up saving you money. But didn't see a change cause your rates didn't go up. More people on the roads equals more risks even if things are

[Tipys]

Put into safety.

[Nick_Ninja]

OMG Mean Nick....you don't have a left ankle?
I'm sorry...truly

Give your sympathy to the fallen rider --- not to me. If I were looking for sympathy I know I could find it between Shit and Syphilis in the dictionary and I wouldn't look for it from you.

[Pandora-11]

Give your sympathy to the fallen rider --- not to me. If I were looking for sympathy I know I could find it between Shit and Syphilis in the dictionary and I wouldn't look for it from you.

Flaming sweetness that I've come to love and expect from someone who knows nothing about me.

[Nick_Ninja]

Flaming sweetness that I've come to love and expect from someone who knows nothing about me.

Ditto. You don't ride with any of us troll.

[Pandora-11]

Ditto. You don't ride with any of us troll.

And this is your program for encouraging me to do so?
Smooth moves bud......love the name-calling too.
Absolutely love the way this forum either flames you or ignores you...kinda makes one feel as if one were back in 2nd grade.
Can't I be anonymous? If not, include YOUR list of rules in the registration.
I love it when men play little boy games with me.....too exciting!

[Pandora-11]

As always, your little ways are too cute!

[Nick_Ninja]

As always, your little ways are too cute!

You know --- I might invite you to the Golden Bee at the Broadmoor next time I'm there to pound a yard. But since you are a figment of all our imaginations I guess that will never happen eh?

[Pandora-11]

What does "pound a yard" mean? So...I can't be anonymous huh?

I doubt seriously that you'd think I belong with your group, but how did you know...love the Golden Bee.
What makes you think I live anywhere near there?

[Pandora-11]

You know --- I might invite you to the Golden Bee at the Broadmoor next time I'm there to pound a yard. But since you are a figment of all our imaginations I guess that will never happen eh?

Seriously...I'd have to bring Broadmoor Security with me to meet with you...I'd "bee" scared you'd hurt me!!

[Nick_Ninja]

Seriously...I'd have to bring Broadmoor Security with me to meet with you...I'd "bee" scared you'd hurt me!!

Don't worry --- it'll never happen.

[Pandora-11]

Don't worry --- it'll never happen.

I kind of sense that Einstein.

[Pandora-11]

Don't worry --- it'll never happen.

You are obviously way too wise, intelligent, smooth, cultured, and worldly for little old me.........(in your mind).

[TFOGGuys]

Pandora, don't pay Nick too much attention. He's a cantankerous old curmudgeon(much like myself), but he's actually ok.

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[Nick_Ninja]

Pandora, don't pay Nick too much attention. He's a cantankerous old curmudgeon(much like myself), but he's actually ok.

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You are too kind my friend. Too kind

[Pandora-11]

Pandora, don't pay Nick too much attention. He's a cantankerous old curmudgeon(much like myself), but he's actually ok.

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So what makes him sooo mean? The missing left ankle?