Students file complaint against CU for campus gun ban

[Sortarican]

... Think back to the church in the Springs last year, imagine if the lady hadn't shot that guy ..., but it does prove that legal carry is the answer as we will never know how many people could have died.

Not really a good example for your argument.
She was a member of the church's security staff. Not an average Joe with a CCW permit.
I don't think most people have a problem with having armed security on campus.

[puckstr]

Not really a good example for your argument.
She was a member of the church's security staff. Not an average Joe with a CCW permit.
I don't think most people have a problem with having armed security on campus.

The church had a security staff? WTF?
Guess God had the day off. AGAIN

[DavidofColorado]

Not really a good example for your argument.
She was a member of the church's security staff. Not an average Joe with a CCW permit.
I don't think most people have a problem with having armed security on campus.

Security in a church? Are you sure about that one Jeff?

[puckstr]

A church with a "security staff" is sure to get more offerings!!!

[TFOGGuys]

Here is the official campus position on firearms:

https://www.cu.edu/regents/Policies/Policy14I.htm

Looks like it's time to confiscate lacrosse sticks and baseball bats...

[Sortarican]

Security in a church? Are you sure about that one Jeff?

Chief Richard Myers called the Colorado Springs church security staffer "a courageous security staff member who probably saved many lives."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/chu...ing/index.html

[Nick_Ninja]

Looks like it's time to confiscate lacrosse sticks and baseball bats...

And add the knives in the dining halls to the list.

[TFOGGuys]

Not really a good example for your argument.
She was a member of the church's security staff. Not an average Joe with a CCW permit.
I don't think most people have a problem with having armed security on campus.

She was plain clothes, carrying concealed (with permit). They church preferred it that way so as to prevent the "armed camp" atmosphere. If concealed carry were not legal, they either would have not had security, or they would have made their congregation members uncomfortable with armed security guards carrying openly.

[TFOGGuys]

A church with a "security staff" is sure to get more offerings!!!

If money is the root of all evil, why are churches always asking for it?

[MetaLord 9]

It was said earlier: people that are going to committ crimes will do so regardless of laws & restrictions.

The concern is that the presence of a gun allows a situation to escalate very quickly. Vigilantyism is also a concern. The level of responsibility that college kids exhibit, at large, does not seem to merit their possessing a CCW permit.

However, there are exceptions to the rule. The process that someone has to go through to posess a CCW permit is, I'm sure, extensive and not something that the average drunken frat kid is likely to do in a weekend to avoid a term paper. A firearm is not cheap and neither is the CCW permit. Part of maturing is understanding and accepting responsibility. Owning a firearm and being able to conceal it is truely a weighty responsibility, but not so much that our university students cannot handle it. Any fool that would take a weapon into his/her own hands and use it frivolously is just as likely to find something equally as destructive and put it to poor use, a car for instance.

Do the weapons really have a place on a college campus? No.

Should someone be banned & prosecuted for posessing an otherwise legal weapon on a college campus? Of course not.

The asterisk to this whole conversation, however, is that the university is an entity unto itself and, thus, perfectly allowed to choose to whom they will or will not offer admission or continuation of college credit.

[MetaLord 9]

If money is the root of all evil, why are churches always asking for it?

Trying to uproot sin?

Trying to cut the devil off at his roots?

[puckstr]

If money is the root of all evil, then feel free to give it to ME.

[Devaclis]

Money is not the rrot of all evil, man is. That is why he invented god.

[Pandora-11]

All churches have individuals whose duty is to protect the worshipers from harm. While they may not be trained police or carry weapons as in smaller churches, ushers are trained to deal with disruptions in a basic way. In the larger churches, they often use off-duty officers for pay or for volunteer as their commitments to their churches.
I go to First Pres of CS. It is a very large church and security is lowkey but present. Some of the security is for the health issues of the elderly or to help the homeless that wander in for breakfast. This is a necessary part of the service in these days and times.
As far as churches asking for money....duh, how do you suppose the mortgage and salaries of these people happen?

I have three nieces and nephews at UF where firearms issues have occurred. You don't give kids more to carry than they are capable of carrying.....and as someone who is around teens everyday, believe me when I say Ninja is right on this one...they don't even need water pistols.

[puckstr]

Money is not the rrot of all evil, man is. That is why he invented god.

TRUE Brother...can I get a witness


Plus give me that EVIL money

[puckstr]

All churches have individuals whose duty is to protect the worshipers from harm. While they may not be trained police or carry weapons as in smaller churches, ushers are trained to deal with disruptions in a basic way. In the larger churches, they often use off-duty officers for pay or for volunteer as their commitments to their churches.
I go to First Pres of CS. It is a very large church and security is lowkey but present. Some of the security is for the health issues of the elderly or to help the homeless that wander in for breakfast. This is a necessary part of the service in these days and times.
As far as churches asking for money....duh, how do you suppose the mortgage and salaries of these people happen?

I have three nieces and nephews at UF where firearms issues have occurred. You don't give kids more to carry than they are capable of carrying.....and as someone who is around teens everyday, believe me when I say Ninja is right on this one...they don't even need water pistols.

But who will protect the children from the PRIESTS???

[Pandora-11]

But who will protect the children from the PRIESTS???

A valid question....but minor in the scheme of the larger question of safety. You are truly safe no where....part of living...and unfortunately dying.

[puckstr]

Not minor to the kids that get touched in there naughty places, by men of the cloth.

More kids have been violated by clergy than people being shot in church. The real threat is the lecherous "holy" men.

[Kim-n-Dean]

If it's properly concealed, take it where ever you want!!

My wife can't even have her's in the car in the parking lot at her work, let alone up in her office. We look at it this way. If she has to use it in her office and gets fired, at least she's alive!! That's all we're worried about!!

Once again, if it's properly concealed, take it where ever you want!!

[Sortarican]

If concealed carry were not legal, they either would have not had security, or they would have made their congregation members uncomfortable with armed security guards carrying openly.

Not sure I'm catching your point.
Are you saying you think the the church would not have had armed security without the current relaxed CCW rules?

It used to be that a person had to show need to carry, now the permitting body has to show a reason why an applicant should not be granted a permit.
But someone working security (even volunteer security at a church) never had trouble showing cause for getting a permit.
And I'm not sure a CCW permit is even required to carry a concealed weapon in a private place.
That is if it's your place or if you're given permission by the company/institution/owner to do so.
Anyone know the laws on that?

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I work at CU and I'm here to tell you that the general student population here shouldn't be allowed to carry water pistols yet alone real firearms. These kids are supposed to be our front-line to compete with the Chinese and Indians? I don't think they could pass the test with the help of Sylvan Learning Centers.

C'mon Jeff, remember, it's Boulder. I mean, beside carrying water pistols, y'all shouldn't have been allowed to vote either......

[DavidofColorado]

Can't we just ban murder instead of banning the carrying of firearms for protection? That would seem like the better way to go?

[puckstr]

C'mon Jeff, remember, it's Boulder. I mean, beside carrying water BONGS, y'all shouldn't have been allowed to vote either......

Fixed it for ya

[puckstr]

Can't we just ban murder instead of banning the carrying of firearms for protection? That would seem like the better way to go?

It is against the law already, but that law dosen't seem to work either