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    Now you can take this with a grain of salt or really read into it, you're choice. My dad actually came across this article on survivalblog.com, it's a pretty cool website got all sorts of info. However, when I read this article I did get a bit creeped out, should any of this transpire(and honestly at this point anything is possible).

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    Our 2009 Predictions, by Roger Wiegand

    We think we now have enough data from both the fundamentals and technicals to make some serious forecasts and predictions for 2009. While 2008 was a nasty year when lots of things imploded, they are far from being repaired. Treasury Secretary Paulson told us this week there are no more surprises, which tells me we haven't even discovered but a small portion of this monster derivative mess. His ripping-off of the taxpayers to the tune of $700 billion is only a warm-up. However, the larger question for traders and investors is what could happen next and when.

    In the following report we take the key global economic points and suggest the outcome for 2009.


    The most important news for 2008 was the destruction of the big global banks' net worth and their badly wounded ability to conduct normal business and make market-moving loans. Ben & Hank's bailout only helped the bad-boy banks reliquify themselves to remain somewhat solvent and stay in business. They are doing nothing to extend credit to any business enhancing western or global economies. The 2009 result will be no significant banker lending, taking more bailout money and sweeping additional bad loans of all stripes under the banker's rug and hiding the rest in back rooms.

    The largest surprise in our view was the massive disaster at insurance giant AIG. Despite numerous injections of bailout billions, AIG remains in very serious trouble hanging on by their proverbial fingernails. The 2009 result will be a surprise crash and failure of AIG frightening the world at large causing ripples of failures throughout western and Asian nations unable to conduct business without mandatory insurance policies. Most folks have no comprehension as to the monster fallout this will create. It is in our view literally immeasurable, and this is why Paulson handed them so much money.

    Our new president is determined to hand out $860 Billion to One Trillion dollars in a Herculean effort to literally buy a new economic recovery. While some of his ideas are noble indeed the overall plan will have little effect and Great Depression II shall take hold in 2009 with crashing stock markets in May and September-October 2009. We think the worst of the worst hits in later September 2009.

    During the spring of next year we see:
    (1) A second larger wave of residential housing mortgage failures; (2) The first big wave of auto loan failures and repossessions; (3) Over $40 billion in credit card defaults, smashing the bank lenders; (4) The first wave of commercial mortgage failures and foreclosures on shopping malls, office buildings and other commercials; (5) And finally, the grand smashing finale of Credit Default Swaps (CDS) originated with no margin money or down payments! We heard today the total is $500 trillion! I cannot even fathom that number. These five converging train wrecks could take the Dow from a dead cat bounce of 10400-10800 back to 7250, or even 6600, or 5600.

    Shares traders and investors have one more solid quarter, in our view to regain some stock market losses on the forthcoming Obama Trillion Dollar handouts. We think the rising share markets will help most all sectors gain some recovery and provide the illusion the bottoms are in and new bases found. The stark reality hits home after shares peak in April or early May taking an unprecedented selling high dive scaring the wits out of Americans and the watching world.

    Even with these events and rising unemployment and social problems, economic observers and analysts could continue to plead the worst is over, the bottoms are in and a fine, new, shiny world of trading and investing in our bright economy lies just ahead for the fall of 2009. Then, in later September and early October, the New York, London, Tokyo and Asian markets take a monster crash. How low is low and how bad can it get? We think the Dow could end-up on November 1st, 2009 anywhere from 5,600 to a low of 3,000 or even 1,500. One guideline will be a falling overshoot of PE's on our largest, so-called international corporations posting lows of 4 to7. Today, many of them are near 18. What does this tell us about the severity of our projections?

    Unemployment nationally in the USA is now touching 16%. The officially posted number is somewhere near half of that. By the fall of 2009, American REAL UNEMPLOYMENT WILL BE NEAR THE ALLTIME 1930'S DEPRESSION HIGH OF 25% UNEMPLOYED. SADLY, THAT IS NOT THE WORST AS IT GETS MORE DIRE. WE PREDICT REAL, USA UNEMPLOYMENT REACHES 30-40%. IN THE RUST BELT STATES OF MICHIGAN AND OHIO, WHILE 40% IS NOT UNREALISTIC.

    Several European nations have larger, more established social safety nets for the unemployed. In the USA, local, regional and national authorities are not nearly as prepared. The American federal government departments for food stamps and the job of providing welfare provisions will be overwhelmed. This will be a Katrina event for the hungry citizens of the United States. Urban areas will see skyrocketing crime and in parts of some cities, life could become totally uninhabitable.

    The last report we've seen on those receiving food handouts and related welfare amounted to 11 million USA citizens with 700,000 children going hungry each day. We suspect the true amount of those needing food help will rise to 35,000,000 with an untold tragic number of them being little, defenseless children. Governments remain in denial and are not prepared for this national emergency whatsoever. As things worsen, food riots and others with violence aimed at the "haves' are common.

    The number of bank failures over the next three years will be in the thousands. In addition, the US Dollar's valuation could break recent lows near 70.00 on the index, dropping to 46.00 by 2011 or 2012.

    Inflation or potentially hyperinflation is quite real as the Federal Reserve and US Treasury strain to print and circulate cash to prod our stalled economy. It is simply not working even with the dramatically lower interest rates of late. Benny Bernanke is out of rate cut running room.

    Consumers are broke and going broker. Households of interrelated families are doubling and tripling up even with several employed members being under one roof. Basic costs of rent, mortgage payments, health care, food, utilities and taxes are too much to bear on stagnant and in some cases falling wages. In some areas of America, there are entire subdivisions of homes totally abandoned or existing with only a hand full of occupants. The millions thrown at lenders for new mortgages are not getting through to buyers, as there are fewer of them. We are witnessing system breakdown.

    Municipalities and states are sinking into a spending, debt-ridden morass. It was reported today that 22 of 50 USA states are in serious budgetary trouble. California is one of those in terrible condition and Michigan is already technically broke as are many of her cities. Detroit will file bankruptcy in 2009 and there will many other surprises as well. There will be a cascade of bond defaults and the outcome will cap the ability of these cities, states and counties to borrow ever more.

    The shining light through all of this is the faster we find the bottom the faster we can recover. Sadly, the recovery process will take years. Futures and commodities traders should continue to earn steady profits as the stock markets slide into oblivion for years. We see no recovery until 2015.

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    Re: 2009 Predictions

    Yeah, read that this morning. /shutter
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    no obama is in charge soon... remember change.. its all going to change!!!!!!

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    B Hussain O said "We can do it." A line borrowed from a annoying claymation children's show Bob the Builder. With the hope of in the last seconds getting all the people a machines to help him out of a jam.

    I personally don't care if AIG crashes. Its not the only insurance company out there.
    I lost my job and I didn't get a bailout. Fuck the Banks and Fuck Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidofColorado View Post
    I personally don't care if AIG crashes. Its not the only insurance company out there.
    That doesn't really matter. AIG is, for economic/commercial intents and purposes, THE insurance company. If it did fail it really would cause far-reaching impact in every industry, in many countries. How one company actually created an empire like that is probably going to be the topic of graduate college studies for decades to come, but the fact is that it collapsing would affect every single one of us.
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    Could you give an example of how it will affect you? I don't understand how if something that is so powerful could go broke? It couldn't have been just the mortgages... could it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Wiegand View Post
    <snip...>We see no recovery until 2015
    2015?!?

    Shit man.... Payday is Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Barn~ View Post
    2015?!?

    Shit man.... Payday is Friday.
    with the world ending in 2012, I think it's time to tell the student loan people to piss off!
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    I guess I have more faith in the world economy than this. It is hard for me to believe that anything can keep the economy or the United States in a slump for that long.
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    I am neither a republican or democrat, but I love that it is somehow Obama's fault when he hasn't even taken office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mental View Post
    I am neither a republican or democrat, but I love that it is somehow Obama's fault when he hasn't even taken office.

    You noticed that too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramps View Post
    I guess I have more faith in the world economy than this. It is hard for me to believe that anything can keep the economy or the United States in a slump for that long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mental View Post
    I am neither a republican or democrat, but I love that it is somehow Obama's fault when he hasn't even taken office.
    +1

    Fuggin doomsayers.


    I believe people like this as much as I believe the grizzled bum standing on the corner saying the world will end tomorrow.

    Or everyone that thought the world's computers would crash on 1/1/2000.

    Or any of thousands of other "prophecies" about the economy/presidency/world/etc.


    I'm going to continue to live my life and not lose a minute's sleep over what all these people tell me is going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mental View Post
    I am neither a republican or democrat, but I love that it is somehow Obama's fault when he hasn't even taken office.
    No it's not, or at least not yet. The blame ship is carrying all of them and Obama is about to become the captain. Both sides are to blame for looking the other way as the store was robbed and now for giving those same thieves extra cash.

    My issue with Obama (and his stated policies, solutions, appointments and promises) is that they don't fix the problems rather they exacerbate them. We have become so averse to any sort of pain in this country that we will elect any moron who claims he can save us from it. I would think anyone with a Harvard education would understand the basic principles of economics; but listening to Bush, Obama, Bernecke, Dodd, Pelosi, Reed, Franks, et al, it is clear that all of them are out to do one thing only...protect their own asses (and those of their rich donors). If any "common folk" are helped at the end of the day it will by chance rather then by design.

    For those that blame Obama for everything, you're just making fools out of yourselves. Who has been in charge for the last eight years? There is plenty of blame to go around. There is no politician around willing to make the tough choices needed at this time in our history (maybe Ron Paul). People want to be coddled and told taht Gov'ment will provide everything and make the hurt go away. And that, in and of itself, is the reason that this will get worse before it gets better...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
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    Or everyone that thought the world's computers would crash on 1/1/2000.
    While I too flip the middle finger to the doomsayers, I think this one gets poo-pooed a little too quickly. There were lots of problems that would have arisen had there not been a concerted effort to fix them before the rollover. The reason why Y2K seemed so innocuous after the fact was because the potentially big problems had been recognized and fixed. When it came around, I personally wasn't the slightest bit worried for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mental View Post
    I am neither a republican or democrat, but I love that it is somehow Obama's fault when he hasn't even taken office.
    I think it's more a shot at the cult-like following he amassed during the election and the zeal with which people clung to him. They seemed ready and eager to believe that he was going to change the world and while he still may do it, next year is gonna be a tough one, regardless of who's in office. So the notion that it's his fault already is as false as the notion that he's going to simply hop behind the helm of the country, correct a few course headings, save the world, and grab a beer all before 5.
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    It is amazing how quickly the conservatives that use to point at liberals and call them doom and gloom tree huggers are now the ones screaming the sky is falling.

    Banks demanding the immediate repayment of credit causing a wave of residential mortgage failures and auto repossessions. Striping the American people the ability to purchase anything but necessities. Forcing commercial failures and foreclosures such as shopping malls, office buildings and other commercials companies who can’t sell their products. Bring about the collapse of the world financial markets sending the world into a depression. Which means everyone would lose their job and we will all be living in cardboard boxes.

    And somehow a democratic (aka. liberal) president-elect is responsible.

    And I thought I could spew a line of doom and gloom, all I was worried about was we might have to move to higher ground.

    So in the now famous words of R1iche… “You gotta love doom and gloomers.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkterrell View Post
    While I too flip the middle finger to the doomsayers, I think this one gets poo-pooed a little too quickly. There were lots of problems that would have arisen had there not been a concerted effort to fix them before the rollover. The reason why Y2K seemed so innocuous after the fact was because the potentially big problems had been recognized and fixed. When it came around, I personally wasn't the slightest bit worried for that reason.

    Dirk

    No different with the economy. Yes there's a problem, I'm just saying it's not the end of life as we know it.

    Do I think it will get worse? Probably. There's a lot of crappy mortgages still out there (google the pick a pay mortgage for some that are coming) and other debts that need to come around.

    That said, do I think the entire wolds economy will crash and nobody will have jobs and everything will fail and go bankrupt etc? NO

    Just like the Y2K bug; yeah there was a problem, and a serious one at that, but it wasn't the monster people wanted you to believe it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mental View Post
    I am neither a republican or democrat, but I love that it is somehow Obama's fault when he hasn't even taken office.
    I would not want the job

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkterrell View Post
    While I too flip the middle finger to the doomsayers, I think this one gets poo-pooed a little too quickly. There were lots of problems that would have arisen had there not been a concerted effort to fix them before the rollover. The reason why Y2K seemed so innocuous after the fact was because the potentially big problems had been recognized and fixed. When it came around, I personally wasn't the slightest bit worried for that reason.

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    I will second that, I was directly involved in it. One software package I had to replace because of Y2K, and our main business system needed several patches to roll over to 2000

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    You guys just forgot to read the fine print about change:
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    Anyone know a really good ambulance chaser? I just had a piece of sky fall on my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puckstr View Post
    I would not want the job

    I hope for a MAD MAX society with ZOMBIES. Now that is exciting CHANGE I can get behind.
    Zombies? Hell yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

    But why digress to a Mad Max-esque, post-apocalyptic wasteland way of life?
    Initially, yes, a zombie plague would be a handfull...

    But, after some real strategic maneuvers...

    We could kick some undead ass into shape...

    and harness their power, and have them working for us. Think of the unlimited free labor! Think of the fuel you'd save!!


    That, my friends, is the answer to our economic woes. Harness the power of the zombies! What is more American than that?

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