A positive moment in history

[Sortarican]

..Who is more racist? Those who voted for Sen. Obama because he is black, .... Or the people that voted against him because they don't believe in his policies and could care less about the color of his skin..

I personally couldn't care less what his color is,
and I don't believe that the majority of people who voted either way did it along racial lines.

Where there blacks that voted for Obama because he is black? Yes.
Where there whites that voted against Obama because he is black? Yes.
Did either of these groups have any real effect on the outcome? No.
As for people voting for him out of white guilt, I doubt all 10 of those people swung the election.

As for the idiots that keep making thinly veiled, impotent, death threats here and elsewhere:
(And no, I don't believe Shea is in this group.)
I hated Bush, but I never advocated his assassination.
Those that feel the democratic process can be circumvented by assassination are traitors not only in legal definition
but more importantly are traitors by the deepest moral definition of what it is to be an American.
I invite any of them to come to my home and try to kill me for exercising my rights to vote Obama into office.
Just PM me and I'll happily give you my address you gutless fucktards.

Damn Shea... I don't know whether to offer you encouragement anymore, or just watch your ship sink, and think "better him than me".

I don't think that Shea, Dirk, Steve, Frank, and others on here are so much anti-Obama as they are anti-politics-as-usual.
They really didn't have a candidate that truly represented them.
(Or at least not one that could overcome the political machines of the big two parties.)
I would have loved it if Bush hadn't had some of the problems to deal with that he did, or if he could have solved every one of them.
But there are a few people on here that I honestly think would be disapointed to see Obama succeeds.

Republicans LIE
Democrats LIE

I'm not as much of a cynic as Steve, but yeah, they do.
But remember, as a citizen our duty doesn't stop at voting.
We must also be vigilant and hold our politicians feet to the fire.
It's up to us to keep them honest. (Or at least call bullshit when they're not.)

[puckstr]

I don't think that Shea, Dirk, Steve, Frank, and others on here are so much anti-Obama as they are anti-politics-as-usual.
They really didn't have a candidate that truly represented them.
(Or at least not one that could overcome the political machines of the big two parties.)
I would have loved it if Bush hadn't had some of the problems to deal with that he did, or if he could have solved every one of them.
But there are a few people on here that I honestly think would be disapointed to see Obama succeeds.



I'm not as much of a cynic as Steve, but yeah, they do.
But remember, as a citizen our duty doesn't stop at voting.
We must also be vigilant and hold our politicians feet to the fire.
It's up to us to keep them honest. (Or at least call bullshit when they're not.)

I do not trust our government. Cynical.mmmm no..I see it as Proactive

[Nick_Ninja]

<snip>were sucked into the demi-god/rockstar hoopla and blindly voted for him BECAUSE he's black instead of IN SPITE OF the fact that he's black, <snip>

Sorry Frank, but you have no idea who I really am or what I'm all about. I take exception of your labeling of being 'sucked in' and 'blindly voted for him .....'. Without rehashing the obvious it basically boiled down to the lesser of two evils and how their value set reflects on my personal beliefs. The color of his skin had nothing, and I repeat -- NOTHING do do with why i voted for the guy. The 'R' crowd currently doesn't even come close to my value set and it seems to have been the same for many others.

[~Barn~]

Wow, ok then. Guess I will bid you all adieu.

Well that's a little rash. I mean if I packed-up every time somebody told me I was talking out of my ass, I'd have more moves on my record than Chadwick.

I'm just saying, it's hard to hear that I'm not talking with substance, w/out taking it a little personal. And I'm certain that not everybody thinks you're a downer. At least outside of social-political musings.

These threads sure do bring me down though. Especially in light of what Cathy was really hoping to bring out of it. We fuckin' stomp on every little thing, and it drives me nuts. You stomped on her little slice of "feel good", and it bothered me. If you wanted to pile on, there's that other thread about blazing saddles.

(And who knows, maybe you have. After first glance, I haven't been back to it.)

Carry on.

But there are a few people on here that I honestly think would be disapointed to see Obama succeeds.

Sadly, it would seem so.

[Sortarican]

...I refuse to back down from my positive outlook at this historical event.....

You're so sweet Cathy, I bet the American Dental Association hates you.
Way to stay idealistic in a cynical world. That takes a strength all it's own.

I do not trust our government. Cynical.mmmm no..I see it as Proactive

You're an acne medication used by Puff Daddy and Jessica Simpson?

[Devaclis]

Drama queens

[mtnairlover]

You're so sweet Cathy, I bet the American Dental Association hates you.
Way to stay idealistic in a cynical world. That takes a strength all it's own.

Yeah...and what has made this country and what has formed this country, as well as kept it strong, is just that...ideals.

[puckstr]

You're so sweet Cathy, I bet the American Dental Association hates you.
Way to stay idealistic in a cynical world. That takes a strength all it's own.



You're an acne medication used by Puff Daddy and Jessica Simpson?

ha ha ha .... NO

I got there medication right here

[~Barn~]

Drama queens

Ha, that's funny. You're probably right!

But then again we don't play it off that we're just stirring the pot, either! We actually embrace our brand of theater.

[MetaLord 9]

ha ha ha .... NO

I got there medication right here

The hypno-bullet?

[Devaclis]

It amazes me how many people were on the phone and testing during this entire event.

McCains wife was texting the entire time. She is STILL texting as they are preparing for the luncheon. WTF. Can't you just be in the moment?

[Sortarican]

... We actually embrace our brand of theater.

Would that be Kabuki theater?
('Cause that would be so cool.)

[~Barn~]

Right you are, Ken!

[Sortarican]

...McCains wife was texting the entire time. .... WTF. Can't you just be in the moment?

She was busy leveling up her Senatorial Dwarf.

[Devaclis]

She would be a Night Elf Healer, like a Priest. She is too foxy to be a Dwarf.

[Sortarican]

She would be a Night Elf Healer, like a Priest. She is too foxy to be a Dwarf.

And her husband would be?
(Quick! Somebody get Dana a ladder.)

[Snowman]

Well that's a little rash. I mean if I packed-up every time somebody told me I was talking out of my ass, I'd have more moves on my record than Chadwick.

And you wouldn’t be the accepted post leader (by 2) at this moment if you did.

[~Barn~]

Ha! Nice catch Randall.

It's kinda fitting that it's Inauguration Day!

[Nick_Ninja]

~Barn~ the leader of the free post count world!

[puckstr]

It amazes me how many people were on the phone and testing during this entire event.

McCains wife was texting the entire time. She is STILL texting as they are preparing for the luncheon. WTF. Can't you just be in the moment?

She had better things to do than pay attention to the endless Blaa Blaa Blaa crap

[Devaclis]

She was texting me

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Sorry Frank, but you have no idea who I really am or what I'm all about. I take exception of your labeling of being 'sucked in' and 'blindly voted for him .....'. Without rehashing the obvious it basically boiled down to the lesser of two evils and how their value set reflects on my personal beliefs. The color of his skin had nothing, and I repeat -- NOTHING do do with why i voted for the guy. The 'R' crowd currently doesn't even come close to my value set and it seems to have been the same for many others.

Actually bro, I think I do. I know you and a few others I know and also highly respect DID carefully pick the guy based on your beliefs and that's the great thing about America......but I also saw a shitload (majority) of other people who DID get sucked into the hoopla. If you look at the black vote it's obvious that to most of them it WAS the color of his skin that determined their vote. The scariest thing I saw was the fervor and the hysteria surrounding this campaign like no other I've ever witnessed. When I see people that gung-ho, it reminds me of people blindly following other notable leaders in history....like Jim Jones, or Hitler. Not that I truly believe he's of that particular caliber, but it remains scary that people get that adamant. The hysteria is exactly the same, only the words are different. I wouldn't have voted for McCain if I thought there was a better candidate, Dem OR Repub. But I'll be damned if I will get all hysterical over ANY candidate. That to me smacks of lemmings going over the cliff.

S'ok bro, I still love ya man......and you're invited to come over Steve's and watch Blazing Saddles with us tonight if ya like!

[puckstr]

She was texting me

Shit ..she was sending me porn

[Flip]

Common fellas- I dont know any of you on here- But I see a group of people who are friends- sharing (controversial ) opinions in a place you all feel basically safe to do so.
And it is pretty predictable who will say what- and how you will respond.

So it seems to me that all is good at the end of the thread because you all say what you want, it is accepted for the most part, and you get forgiven for it, by your friends.

Just dont piss off Ralph or Bob...