Feds Wants GPS in ALL Cars

[JustSomeDude]

And the hits just keep on comin'...

Transportation secretary wants GPS device in all motor vehicles to tax you by miles traveled: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...05,print.story

Should I mention the threat of bank nationalization? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090220/...banks_shares_5

The libs decried Bush for wiretapping terrorists, but they'll probably all support GPS in our motor vehicles, because they're too stubborn to admit socialism is wrong. And they have to try and believe Blammoz is still all about love and hope and change and peace and love and hope and change and love and change and hope and change and love.

Can't wait 'til the feds get into the libs' bank accounts with their nationalization plans. Man this is gonna be a fun four years. Hee hee heeeee!

[salsashark]

from what I've read the Obamanation Administration has already shot down the transportation secretary's idea of a mileage taxation.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...-miles-driven/

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Wanna do something? Raise the gas tax. I've less problem with that than punishing those of us who have lighter, more-efficient vehicles that damage the roadway less and lessen our dependence on petroleum but drive more miles. What a complete dipshit.

Now, I'd approve of the measure for pure electric cars ONLY, because they pay no gas tax, but still use the roads. Oh, and bicycles too!

[Snowman]

Do you honestly think that the government cannot track your every movement at this very moment?

Every time you use your debit or credit card you are login in to a database someone that takes down who, where, when and what you were doing.

There are cameras that cover most urban areas, whose video and facial recognition software can pull you out of a crowd.

Anything you say into a phone or type into the internet is routed through secret rooms copied off and analyzed for potential incriminating language.

And you’re suddenly outraged about a little box attached to your car so they can find out far you go to be taxed?

[JustSomeDude]

from what I've read the Obamanation Administration has already shot down the transportation secretary's idea of a mileage taxation.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...-miles-driven/

I guess they figured they need a less invasive way of raising our taxes. As if raising our taxes wasn't invasive in the first place.



Thanks for the update tho Salsa!

[64BonnieLass]

Do you honestly think that the government cannot track your every movement at this very moment?

Every time you use your debit or credit card you are login in to a database someone that takes down who, where, when and what you were doing.

There are cameras that cover most urban areas, whose video and facial recognition software can pull you out of a crowd.

Anything you say into a phone or type into the internet is routed through secret rooms copied off and analyzed for potential incriminating language.

And you’re suddenly outraged about a little box attached to your car so they can find out far you go to be taxed?

Yea, and I'm hiring the people who do it. It's amazing what these guys can do in Business Intelligence. Spooky really!

[Devaclis]

Your cell phone already does this for you, and them. Stop being paranoid

[Mental]

Yeah Oregon was doing that last year as a pilot program. Several insurance companies have offered discounts if you let them put a black box in your car. Hell OBD II and OBD III already have the provisions in them to rat you out for speeding and failure to service you emissions controls. Your car just broadcasts a signal and you get a ticket in the mail. Rental car companies have tried (and in several cases succedded) in "fining" you becuase the GPS in their cars rat you out for speeding. No court, no judge, no due process, just an automatic charge to your credit card. On-Star can take complete control of your vehicle, disabling it, tracking it, and a host of other naughty things and peaple are gladly paying to give up that kind of freedom in the name of security and safety. Big Brother is not the goverment, it is the industry, and we the consumers are begging them to run our lives.

Anyone old enough to remember Max Headroom the show?

The bank thing is even more interesting. I read an nice conspiracy theory that this is a non-partisan effort for the Fed to basically take over banking and push for an all electronic economy. As was alluded here a while back, that way there is no cash sales, no drug sales, no indvidual gun sales. Everything can be tracked, not for law enforcement, but to make sure they get sales tax on every transaction in the country. Moreseo, the only bank, Fist Fedreal Bank of Gimmie All Your Damm Money keeps your direct deposited paycheck, collects their income tax immediately, and decides who and what you can spend your money on. Normally I don't suscribe to such crap, but you gotta admit, it seems viable given recent years.

[JustSomeDude]

Do you honestly think that the government cannot track your every movement at this very moment?

Every time you use your debit or credit card you are login in to a database someone that takes down who, where, when and what you were doing.

There are cameras that cover most urban areas, whose video and facial recognition software can pull you out of a crowd.

Anything you say into a phone or type into the internet is routed through secret rooms copied off and analyzed for potential incriminating language.

And you’re suddenly outraged about a little box attached to your car so they can find out far you go to be taxed?

I was waiting for the first liberal defense of this, just to see what approach would be taken. Glad to see it lacks all logic and reason... as expected.

Must... defend... Obama.... at... all... cosssts.

[salsashark]

Do you honestly think that the government cannot track your every movement at this very moment?

Every time you use your debit or credit card you are login in to a database someone that takes down who, where, when and what you were doing.

There are cameras that cover most urban areas, whose video and facial recognition software can pull you out of a crowd.

Anything you say into a phone or type into the internet is routed through secret rooms copied off and analyzed for potential incriminating language.

And you’re suddenly outraged about a little box attached to your car so they can find out far you go to be taxed?

I guess they figured they need a less invasive way of raising our taxes. As if raising our taxes wasn't invasive in the first place.



Thanks for the update tho Salsa!

Oh they'll find a way... I have no doubt about that...

[PhL0aTeR]

Do you honestly think that the government cannot track your every movement at this very moment?

Every time you use your debit or credit card you are login in to a database someone that takes down who, where, when and what you were doing.

There are cameras that cover most urban areas, whose video and facial recognition software can pull you out of a crowd.

Anything you say into a phone or type into the internet is routed through secret rooms copied off and analyzed for potential incriminating language.

And you’re suddenly outraged about a little box attached to your car so they can find out far you go to be taxed?

thats good to know.... at least they dont care when i text the guy i buy weed from

[Snowman]

I was waiting for the first liberal defense of this, just to see what approach would be taken. Glad to see it lacks all logic and reason... as expected.

Must... defend... Obama.... at... all... cosssts.

Interesting that you see it that way. I guess that says something about your paranoia’s. I was not defending anyone. Every statement I made is true, moreover they has been in place for a while now.

Personal privacy is not a liberal or conservative subject with me. It’s about keeping other people out of my business. Having all my action traceable in itself not a problem to me. However, the people in charge of that information and what they choose to do or not to do with it gives me cause question what kind of oversight they must have in order to preserve my rights

And to my good friends at the NSA.
“Nice job on your new white house, it’s just the bomb. Eradicating that bush out front made the yard so much more appealing. However, being so close to the airport aren’t you afraid they are going to crash an airplane though your living room and knock over your stereo towers?”

[salsashark]

^^

[~Barn~]

I was waiting for the first liberal defense of this, just to see what approach would be taken. Glad to see it lacks all logic and reason... as expected.

Must... defend... Obama.... at... all... cosssts.

What he said has nothing to do with Obama. (?)

He just stated facts. You do get that part, right?

[Filo]

Good Lord, some of you people are paranoid. And please, STFU about politics. Post pictures of kitten, Dana, for the love of God.

Oh, and mods, lock this thread. It is going nowhere good.

[~Barn~]

And reset Snowman's post count while you're at it, too!

Reset it to "Obama".

[64BonnieLass]

Good Lord, some of you people are paranoid. And please, STFU about politics. Post pictures of kitten, Dana, for the love of God.Oh, and mods, lock this thread. It is going nowhere good.

[64BonnieLass]

[Snowman]

Leave it to Terri to save the day…

[Mental]

...Personal privacy is not a liberal or conservative subject ...

Quoted for truth

...And to my good friends at the NSA.
“Nice job on your new white house, it’s just the bomb. Eradicating that bush out front made the yard so much more appealing. However, being so close to the airport aren’t you afraid they are going to crash an airplane though your living room and knock over your stereo towers?”

Quoted for funny

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Do you honestly think that the government cannot track your every movement at this very moment?
No, they can't. I don't use EZ-pass, I do't have a PC, and I don't have a cell, so unless they attached a tracking device to my vehicles as I slept.......

Every time you use your debit or credit card you are login in to a database someone that takes down who, where, when and what you were doing.
True. Don't ever use a check then either.

There are cameras that cover most urban areas, whose video and facial recognition software can pull you out of a crowd.
Um, SOME urban areas, and they are not going to have the facial recognition software active on them in general either. I did some work with a company that did that stuff. Too expensive, too complicated for general use, and, frankly, doesn't work at distances or in a big crowd well, or at night or in inclement weather conditions well either.

Anything you say into a phone or type into the internet is routed through secret rooms copied off and analyzed for potential incriminating language.
There is that remote POSSIBILITY, but in actual fact, they lack the manpower or server space to bother with everyone. Impossible. Just the "profiled" ones, and justly so. Don't talk about flying planes into buildings in Arabic and you're ok. They can't use anything else against you without a court-ordered wiretap.

And you’re suddenly outraged about a little box attached to your car so they can find out far you go to be taxed?
Yes, I am. I'd short that f#cker out in a heartbeat.

Have you been watching "Minority Report" reruns lately or is something else the cause of your paranoia?

[Snowman]

Have you been watching "Minority Report" reruns lately or is something else the cause of your paranoia?

Anything a Las Vegas casino has access to I guarantee you the government has access too. They do not need to track every person all the time but if they wanted to find out where you I can assure you every form of personal tracking will be used.

My issue is not that they can but what checks and balances are in place to make sure they only do it when necessary.

Even though your lifestyle may put you as far off the grid as the Unabomber, they still can find you if they choose and what check is in their way to protect your rights.

Stop living in the 19th century, Frank.

[rforsythe]

Anything you say into a phone or type into the internet is routed through secret rooms copied off and analyzed for potential incriminating language.
There is that remote POSSIBILITY, but in actual fact, they lack the manpower or server space to bother with everyone. Impossible. Just the "profiled" ones, and justly so. Don't talk about flying planes into buildings in Arabic and you're ok. They can't use anything else against you without a court-ordered wiretap.

Um no, actually it's very real and happens 24x7. AT&T has rooms in their major data switching centers where literally every packet is copied off, stored, and analyzed (other carriers do as well, they're just less public after AT&T's came to be known). They don't need the manpower because it's automated, and they absolutely have the server space. The technology also absolutely exists to analyze large volumes of traffic. What you call impossible, I call reality.

Also, most of your transactions aren't just recorded; they are profiled and analyzed. A former employer of mine (which just happened to have their fingers in most airlines, a few car rental co's, hotels, mortgages, tax services, and a whole lot more) used their access to this information for exactly that purpose. Guess what -- the government may still have some checks and balances on what they can gather about you and use, but private companies do not. Guess who buys that information from private companies, thereby exploiting that loophole.

Voice analysis also happens, though I suspect moreso on international calls (and yes, every int'l call is listened to by the NSA, and run through large computers running voice recognition technology). Large-scale domestic wiretapping was taking place under the Bush administration however, done by the NSA, with the cooperation of telco providers, and under an executive order. Congress is at this time mulling over either prosecuting telcom management for illegal surveillance, or giving them immunity. AT&T also has some really neat software that takes call logs through their switches and can actually build a social network diagram from them; it was released some years ago now, so I suspect they have something better now (as does any other phone provider). If you use something electronic and any sort of tag or code can be linked to you, I guarantee it is being collected and correlated somewhere.

Oh and read the Patriot Act sometime. They don't need a court order to do anything. They can arrest you and hold you indefinitely in secret by simply saying you are suspected of terrorism, without any due cause or judicial oversight.

Sorry to burst your bubble of "they really aren't watching me". Very little that any of us do anymore is NOT recorded and analyzed to some degree, or correlated with other little bits of information.

[Kim-n-Dean]

What Ralph said. Carnivore is the software. Packet sniffing doesn't take a whole lot of power.

You see every day on the news how they track some nut job down by his credit card or cell phone...