Wow...
Wow...
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Well, we have ample evidence to falsify at least one claim of yours...Originally Posted by lightspeed
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
I'm of the opinion that if enough money is involved, many of our scientists will find water on the surface of our sun.
The cheapest mod that you can make to increase HP on two wheels is to remove the weight from the equation. In other words, put the spoon down once in a while and loose some fat off ur a*s ..lol.
Ah, the classic ad hominem logical fallacy.
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
Again...opinions are like..........
The cheapest mod that you can make to increase HP on two wheels is to remove the weight from the equation. In other words, put the spoon down once in a while and loose some fat off ur a*s ..lol.
Ur opinion that it's a fallacy.
The cheapest mod that you can make to increase HP on two wheels is to remove the weight from the equation. In other words, put the spoon down once in a while and loose some fat off ur a*s ..lol.
Definition of ad hominem fallacy from Wikipedia:
You have not addressed the findings in the NIST report which you dismiss by essentially claiming that the scientists/engineers were bought off (of which, of course, you offer no proof). That is an ad hominem attack.An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
Yeah. Just think if everyone had to use Legos and a Slinky to prove their point.
Wouldn't dare dismiss their research without actually going through it myself. Didn't dismiss any findings....I've only said that if enough money is involved many..etc. Define many...lol.
The cheapest mod that you can make to increase HP on two wheels is to remove the weight from the equation. In other words, put the spoon down once in a while and loose some fat off ur a*s ..lol.
Then what does this quote from your first post mean?
The NIST report shows how it did and backs it up with lots of evidence. You claim it didn't (and haven't offered a shred of evidence or any logical argument based on physics or chemistry). Therefore you are dismissing the findings of the NIST research.Any body that understands a little physics and chemistry (and who doesn't allow their emotions to get in the way) knows that a plane (three planes couldn't demolish that building) didn't bring down those towers
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
You all fall for it EVERY time.
Sorry Lightspeed, the mechanics of the WTC collapse are pretty easy to understand:
1. Jet fuel explosion blows shitty 70s-era fireproofing off structural members.
2. Jet fuel and office furnishing-fueled fire gets freshly-exposed beams soft enough to buckle under the 200+ ton weight of the undamaged floors above.
3. Compared to the Empire State Building, which survived an accidental hit by a WWII bomber, the WTC was under-built because we'd figured out how to save millions in materials through tight engineering by the '70s. This engineering didn't factor in suicidal religious assholes wielding commercial airliners as weapons.
4. When it comes to a tightly-designed 70s-designed building, a little shake from a couple of weakened beams with the masses we're talking about is game over. That 200+ tons of the upper floors was hauling ass in no time after the beams buckled. The lower part of the building didn't stand a chance.
This is from a really good Nova on the subject from years back:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/sund-flash.html
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You all fall for it EVERY time.
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I disagree. We can't say what we to about you here on the internets. Imagine what the repercussions would be if you were Prez?
No thanks. I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut.
First rule of the internet: *bleep* you and everything you stand for. Second rule of the internet: FKZOR U AND RRYTHING U STND FR!
I can tell by your lack of technical knowledge of any kind you'd be crushed. PEOPLE are responsible for problems, not technology. Dynamite being a key example. Go ride and leave the meaningful discussions to the educated.
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-Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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No, actually you have based your opinions on the UNTRAINED observations you've made on TV footage.
I've seen the compiled evidence, conclusions, and opinions of Engineers I trusted when I saw the documentary. These people had no axe to grind, one way or the other, and, as mentioned before, one of them was the guy that was responsible for the towers in the first place. Their explanation was well thought out, in the manner of the root cause investigations I have seen over the years. There was nothing to lead me, a trained professional, to believe there was anything like the hysterically political conspiracy you propose.
In addition, I've worked in the Mechanical Engineering field for 26 years, so I think I've got a far better handle on these things than some kid (that would be you) whos' information system consists of the opinions formed from internet videos.
The towers fell because of the root cause details I described, because the experts determined that to be the cause.
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"...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
-Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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Tokin' SortaTalian
(Pronounced: Kind-A-Dago)
People can say whatever they want on here. They just have to do it maturely, or they are given the opportunity to go say it somewhere else. Part of that whole "being held responsible for stupidity" thing (the second statement in my "if I were Prez" mantra).
Asshole Nazi devil moderator out to get each and every one of you
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous
than sincere ignorance
and conscientious stupidity.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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That's the problem with beliefs, you can't argue with them.
The people that believe that 9/11 was an inside job, can't be convinced otherwise. No matter what scientific evidence you bring, shit even a confession from Bin Laden wouldn't work. They'll just say "They were paid off" or whatever. It's a hopeless cause Frank.
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I believe this Brian guy is a worthless piece of crap. No matter how nice or funny he is cannot persuade me otherwise.
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I believe you're right.
I believe this Brian guy is a worthless piece of crap. No matter how nice or funny he is cannot persuade me otherwise.
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