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    From the BOSS

    A letter from the Boss:

    To All My Valued Employees,

    There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

    However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.

    First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a Back Story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.


    However, what you don't see is the BACK STORY :

    I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

    My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

    Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, someday, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

    So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... you never realize the Back Story and the sacrifices I've made.

    Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bailout all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

    Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds.

    Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

    I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

    The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.

    The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

    Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

    When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

    So where am I going with all this?

    It's quite simple.

    If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I'll fire you and your coworkers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.

    Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

    So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

    Signed, THE BOSS

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    ^ +1
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    I am that boss.....

    And let me tell you, the truth is hidden in the letter.....

    Small businesses are the heart of America, but our leaders don't feel that way. They give corporate kick backs to the largest, most profitable corporations in the US while taxing the ever living shit out of small bussiness.

    Corporations that ship jobs overseas and across the borders have huge tax breaks, and worst, communities such as Colorado Springs and Denver offer huge financial incentives for these companies to set up shop in their cities. Yet these corporations pay little to no taxes for the land given to them by these cities, receive huge tax incentives, all for what? To ship jobs overseas and pay multi-million dollar bonuses to executives that are sucking the workforce dry.

    My small business pays a larger percentage in taxes then Ford, GM, Pfizer, Kellogs, etc. etc. Sure, these corporations pay millions in corporate taxes and I only pay tens of thousands, but why should my tax burden be twice as much on a percentage basis just because I cannot afford to pay millions in lobbiest payola?

    This is not a democrat vs. republican thing, this is a corporate America vs. American citizens thing. If you believe that Obama is the only one that shit on small businesses then you did not run a small business during the Bush administration or you were just blinded by partisanship.

    Small businesses are being fucked by corporate America and the leaders of our nation.

    Everytime I hear about 'stimulus' I just want to shoot someone....

    The truth is, corporate America and your leaders are waging class warfare, they want you to believe that your enemy is that welfare mom with 4 kids.... an easy target, she doesnt have any lobbiests, or talking heads on Fox/CNN/MSNBC, you know who does? Thats right, corporations....

    Welfare is such a small percentage of the national budget that it amazes me it is brought up so much, welfare in ALL forms, Social Security, housing, food stamps, disabled SSA etc. etc. accounts for only 6% of all federal spending. 6%, yet all these talking heads, and bullshit artists on the TV keep trying to spin it as if welfare is what is driving our country down the tubs. 6 fucking percent......

    You want to know what welfare is really killing our federal budget, welfare that goes to countries such as Israel, which accounts for amost 11% of the federal annual budget. But do you hear anyone talking about that on the TV? Do you hear anyone pointing out that we give twice as much welfare to other nations, then we do our own people? Of course not, that lobby is much too powerful for us to be talking about that. So its easier to make some poor woman with 4 kids the boogy man.

    Now, I am not advocating welfare, I believe it needs reform, but to claim that this is why employeers cannot hire more people is BULLSHIT..... and more of the same propaganda and class warfare to keep you hating the poor and worshiping the rich.
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    End taxes, I can't buy a "Cheezeburger" without a $1.50 tax
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    Great post. I find myself in a similar situation. We are coming up on our busy season, so we will hold tight till fall. After that if things don't look better, we will simply shut the business down and auction off the assets. The 30 people we employ will be jobless, and $800,000 we pay in taxes will be gone. It is the last thing I want to do. I love this business, but at some point it just isn't worth it anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post
    Welfare is such a small percentage of the national budget that it amazes me it is brought up so much, welfare in ALL forms, Social Security, housing, food stamps, disabled SSA etc. etc. accounts for only 6% of all federal spending. 6%, yet all these talking heads, and bullshit artists on the TV keep trying to spin it as if welfare is what is driving our country down the tubs. 6 fucking percent......
    Ummm, where did you get that number? Social Security and Medicare/MedicAid account for almost half of the Federal budget. It might be 6% of GDP but that's an entirely different thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post

    Welfare is such a small percentage of the national budget that it amazes me it is brought up so much, welfare in ALL forms, Social Security, housing, food stamps, disabled SSA etc. etc. accounts for only 6% of all federal spending. 6%, yet all these talking heads, and bullshit artists on the TV keep trying to spin it as if welfare is what is driving our country down the tubs. 6 fucking percent......
    Really? I don't know where you get your numbers but the reality of the situation is that Social Security ALONE accounts for 21%. Transfer payments/welfare/etc accounted for 55.1% of the budget (give or take).

    You want to know what welfare is really killing our federal budget, welfare that goes to countries such as Israel, which accounts for amost 11% of the federal annual budget. But do you hear anyone talking about that on the TV? Do you hear anyone pointing out that we give twice as much welfare to other nations, then we do our own people? Of course not, that lobby is much too powerful for us to be talking about that. So its easier to make some poor woman with 4 kids the boogy man.
    Foreign aid totals less then 1% of the budget. Where are you getting these numbers?

    Now, I am not advocating welfare, I believe it needs reform, but to claim that this is why employeers cannot hire more people is BULLSHIT..... and more of the same propaganda and class warfare to keep you hating the poor and worshiping the rich.
    Dude, seriously. If companies are allowed to keep more of the money they earn what do you think they will do with it? Your lack of understanding about simple economics is breathtaking.


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    Ummm, where did you get that number? Social Security and Medicare/MedicAid account for almost half of the Federal budget. It might be 6% of GDP but that's an entirely different thing.

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    50%!!!! Last year federal spending on welfare was 415 billion dollars. The fedral budget last year was 4.6 trillion dollars. You do the math...
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    "Dude, seriously. If companies are allowed to keep more of the money they earn what do you think they will do with it? Your lack of understanding about simple economics is breathtaking."

    Yea, let me ask you, how much of that 90 billion dollars that AIG received from tax payers has created jobs?

    How much of those tax breaks Ford, GM, Chrysler recieved for the past 50 years went to create jobs? Oh thats right, they sold plants in the US and used that money to build plants in Mexico...

    How many jobs were created by Exxon when the received MASSIVE tax incentives and tax breaks for the past few decades... oh thats right, massive US layoffs and huge spending in the middle east.

    But yes, lets continue to give massive tax breaks and incentives to the bussiness that ship jobs overseas while crushing the small bussinesses with the tax burden.

    You are right, welfare is killing America, CORPORATE welfare....

    Its not cool with you to spend 415 billion on welfare last year, but AIG received 90 Billion dollars of welfare and thats quite alright. Almost 25% of what the US government spent on every poor person in America.....

    And people tell me I'm crazy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post
    50%!!!! Last year federal spending on welfare was 415 billion dollars. The fedral budget last year was 4.6 trillion dollars. You do the math...
    Sorry, I trust Dr. Dirks mathematical abilities.....

    Maybe what we need isn't a "workforce reduction", but a welfare LIFEforce reduction"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxerk2 View Post
    Really? I don't know where you get your numbers but the reality of the situation is that Social Security ALONE accounts for 21%. Transfer payments/welfare/etc accounted for 55.1% of the budget (give or take).



    Foreign aid totals less then 1% of the budget. Where are you getting these numbers?



    Dude, seriously. If companies are allowed to keep more of the money they earn what do you think they will do with it? Your lack of understanding about simple economics is breathtaking.





    @ Not sure why you think Welfare is just some small thing. Not sure if you've ever dealt with a lot of people on welfare but the ones I have come across have 4+ kids, don't work, and live in subsidized housing. It would be real nice to sit on my ass all day and have all of your tax money pay for my bills.

    Yes, AIG and other corporations got huge bailouts which imo a lot of them shouldn't have received. But don't point the finger and say, we did this so this other thing isn't important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post
    50%!!!! Last year federal spending on welfare was 415 billion dollars. The fedral budget last year was 4.6 trillion dollars. You do the math...
    Can't do math with numbers pulled from thin air.

    Federal spending FY 2008: 2.902 Trillon (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/budget.html)

    Mandatory Spending FY 2008: 1.412 Trillon

    Social Security - $544 billion
    Medicare - $325 billion
    Medicaid - $186 billion
    All other mandatory programs - $357 billion. (Food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc)

    =48.65% - ish.

    Once again, where are you getting your numbers?
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    Sorry, I trust Dr. Dirks mathematical abilities.....

    Maybe what we need isn't a "workforce reduction", but a welfare LIFEforce reduction"?
    We need reform in the worst way...... period....

    But just like every discussion about Government spending, it turns into a war over 'poor people' which distracts us from the real issues.

    Social Security spending will be over 550 billion this year. Every year the workforce grows smaller while the recipients of Social Security get bigger.

    Retirement age is 55, yet many people live to be 80-90+ years old. This means that if you retire at 55, and live to be 95 you actually are living on Social Security longer then you put money in. To top it all off, the federal government somehow looks at Social Security pool of money as some kind of 'reserve' bank. They use that money to fund just about anything that isnt in the 'budget'.

    Worse, you have federal spending trillions of dollars that is 'not on the books' so you get pie graphs like the one Gixxer posted that are remarkably inaccurate to the real spending. That graph accounts for a budget of 2.2 trillion, yet the federal spending last year was almost 6 trillion. Which is why our National debt is hundreds of trillions of dollars.
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    All I have to say is

    2 things come to mind on this well actually 3
    one he is right by some accounts

    two - uhmmm as the payroll manager for an annual payroll on the upper side of 1 million, I have never had to pay quarterly taxes in that ball park for payroll taxes. I do pay every week to the tune of 8 grand, along with 4 different state taxes SUTA and withholding. I say he needs a new accountant!!!!!! Sounds like someone missed payment's or didn't sign up for the IRS new EFT Program. Sounds like alot of Penalties and interest to me. Maybe it could be Payroll and Income together, but still just WOW. Also sounds like that man needs some major write offs. We will see in the next years round of taxes how bad it will get.

    Third as an 8@ government general contract we too have been hit hard by the stimulus plan. We no longer are entitled to set aside contracts and everything has gone to competitive bid. So now we are out there having to bid virus being given the work based on our past performance. We are up against the BIG boy's now. You see they can steamroll through and leave destruction in their path's. They can underbid us every time with their bankroll behind them. All they are doing is underbidding everyone just for cash flow, they can afford to make the money to cover their payroll and not have to layoff employees'. We however cannot afford that. We are downsizing and rethinking instead of going for 1 million $ jobs we are now bidding 50,000 jobs just to hide from the large companies cause that is child play to them not worth their time. I see the Stimulus package as always helping big brother while whipping out the little guy.
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    Gixxer... my numbers come from ACTUAL spending, not projected spending. Again, your graph only indicates the 'on paper' spending of the federal government.

    Actual federal spending is almost 3 times what the bugdet was.... maybe even 4 if you listen to people like Ron Paul who has been trying to shine the light on the bullshit out of the federal govenement for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post
    We need reform in the worst way...... period....

    But just like every discussion about Government spending, it turns into a war over 'poor people' which distracts us from the real issues.

    Social Security spending will be over 550 billion this year. Every year the workforce grows smaller while the recipients of Social Security get bigger.

    Retirement age is 55, yet many people live to be 80-90+ years old. This means that if you retire at 55, and live to be 95 you actually are living on Social Security longer then you put money in. To top it all off, the federal government somehow looks at Social Security pool of money as some kind of 'reserve' bank. They use that money to fund just about anything that isnt in the 'budget'.

    Worse, you have federal spending trillions of dollars that is 'not on the books' so you get pie graphs like the one Gixxer posted that are remarkably inaccurate to the real spending. That graph accounts for a budget of 2.2 trillion, yet the federal spending last year was almost 6 trillion. Which is why our National debt is hundreds of trillions of dollars.
    Lol where did you get the # from?

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    50%!!!! Last year federal spending on welfare was 415 billion dollars. The fedral budget last year was 4.6 trillion dollars. You do the math...
    Oh, I can do the math but you have to start with the right numbers.

    Federal 2008 budget as proposed was 2.9 trillion. Social security was 608 billion, so that's 0.608/2.9*100 = 21%. Medicare/Medicaid/etc were 595 billion, so 0.595/2.9*100 = 20%. Unemployment/welfare/etc was 324 billion, so 0.324/2.9*100 = 11%. Those sum to 52%, thus "about half." QED

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    Yea, let me ask you, how much of that 90 billion dollars that AIG received from tax payers has created jobs?
    Uh, did they earn that money? Answer no, so why are you using this to refute my argument? Weak.

    How much of those tax breaks Ford, GM, Chrysler recieved for the past 50 years went to create jobs? Oh thats right, they sold plants in the US and used that money to build plants in Mexico...
    And why did they do that? Cost of labor too high here? Think so. I like how you are now trying to equate tax breaks with moving jobs overseas. Won't work for me, but I'm sure somebody will buy it.

    How many jobs were created by Exxon when the received MASSIVE tax incentives and tax breaks for the past few decades... oh thats right, massive US layoffs and huge spending in the middle east.
    Since they are practically forbidden from drilling for domestic resources they have to go to where the oil is. Once again how does "massive" tax breaks equal "massive" layoffs?

    But yes, lets continue to give massive tax breaks and incentives to the bussiness that ship jobs overseas while crushing the small bussinesses with the tax burden.

    You are right, welfare is killing America, CORPORATE welfare....

    Its not cool with you to spend 415 billion on welfare last year, but AIG received 90 Billion dollars of welfare and thats quite alright. Almost 25% of what the US government spent on every poor person in America.....

    And people tell me I'm crazy....
    Dude, I don't know what posts your reading but apparently they aren't mine. Where did I say that? When did I say that? Quite being a fucking whiner and stop putting words in my mouth. You're the one coming on here complaining and throwing bullshit numbers around trying to prove some anti-corporate point.

    I don't support any of these BS bailouts. Yet you want to paint it so that I do. Where the fuck do you get off? When have I EVER come out in favor of them????? Tell me, point to the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post
    Worse, you have federal spending trillions of dollars that is 'not on the books' so you get pie graphs like the one Gixxer posted that are remarkably inaccurate to the real spending. That graph accounts for a budget of 2.2 trillion, yet the federal spending last year was almost 6 trillion. Which is why our National debt is hundreds of trillions of dollars.
    Where are you pulling these numbers from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post
    Gixxer... my numbers come from ACTUAL spending, not projected spending. Again, your graph only indicates the 'on paper' spending of the federal government.

    Actual federal spending is almost 3 times what the bugdet was.... maybe even 4 if you listen to people like Ron Paul who has been trying to shine the light on the bullshit out of the federal govenement for years.
    Fine, show me the website where these numbers reside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post
    Which is why our National debt is hundreds of trillions of dollars.
    Even with unfunded liabilities, which I can only assume is what you are alluding to, our national debt is in the 65-75 trillion dollar range. Not the "hundreds" of trillions of dollars.
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    Oh, I can do the math but you have to start with the right numbers.

    Federal 2008 budget as proposed was 2.9 trillion. Social security was 608 billion, so that's 0.608/2.9*100 = 21%. Medicare/Medicaid/etc were 595 billion, so 0.595/2.9*100 = 20%. Unemployment/welfare/etc was 324 billion, so 0.324/2.9*100 = 11%. Those sum to 52%, thus "about half." QED

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    That would work well if the US government only spent 2.9 trillion last year....but they didn't they spent quite a bit more...

    Just because the paper budget has a number doesnt mean that number was spent. If you budget 10 dollars for gas, and spend 15, you cant go to your wife and say, well i spent 10 bucks see look at the budget. You spent 15, period.

    And I will take back the hundreds of trillions on the deficit, I was a bit hyperbolic... 10 trillion....

    Its hard to think straight when you are talking about amounts of money so huge its almost impossible to comprehend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanabiis View Post
    That would work well if the US government only spent 2.9 trillion last year....but they didn't they spent quite a bit more...

    Just because the paper budget has a number doesnt mean that number was spent. If you budget 10 dollars for gas, and spend 15, you cant go to your wife and say, well i spent 10 bucks see look at the budget. You spent 15, period.
    Fine, show me the data so we can all be on the same page as you. Our data comes from gov'ment data. Where does yours come from?

    And I will take back the hundreds of trillions on the deficit, I was a bit hyperbolic... 10 trillion....
    uhhh yeah... just a slight exaggeration. Nice try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxerk2 View Post
    Fine, show me the website where these numbers reside.
    I have been trying to find a single 'souce'.... its hard to do, since actual federal spending is pretty hard to track when the checks are hidden everywhere.

    I do know that Ron Paul was on the Bill Maher show a few weeks ago talking about spending, and he said the bank bailouts alone should come close to 2 trillion when its all said and done. Thats just the bank bail outs....

    Where do you think that money comes from?? Its not in the budget...... its just money pulled from thin air
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