Best (read: cheapest) place to buy/mount tires

[sugarrey]

Rider being responsible for scratches is different than someone else scratching your shit....no?

[aLiEn]

^^^ ok Billy Idol

Dead or Alive

[-PUCK-]

Right you are Ken!


Todd, you still up in Denver?

[aLiEn]

Todd, you still up in Denver?

What up?! Yes, I'm down in D-Town, but up in the Springs on the weekends. Let's get together for some riding this season.

[-PUCK-]

For sure man. I plan on actually pulling my bike out of the garage this summer since I didn't last year.

[GNGSXR]

Not sure if you already have them. Were up in the springs but we could $347 out the door mount and balanced on bike.

on bike price!!!!!!!!! you dont have to deal with taking the tires off and putting them back on yourself.
Ive had Jackel do my tires since i bought the bike new in '06.
Never a scratch and i use A LOT of tires.

[Bashed]

Hey Paul,
Good to see you are still around.
Hows the family? The little one
and the wife, doing great I hope.
I have found that Apex has the best walk in prices in the Springs
for tires, heavily dicounted from retail. I don't think anybody who
acually sells tires charges retail.
As for putting them on I am/was the cheapest and the best.
Unfortunatly I am not going to mount any more tires anymore.
To much liability. I am not willing to risk it any more.
If I still had my business liscense and insurance sure, but
I have since let that lapse and really don't need the money.
As far as others in this town, make sure they have liability
insurance as it only takes a small mistake to take your life.
This is why I have worked on my own stuff since I started
to ride, that and it isn't rocket science, you just need the right
equipment and common sense. Good luck!
Bash

[modette99]

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[The_Jackel]

To much liability. I am not willing to risk it any more.

I am just happy to see some one recognizing this as an issue. I know of a few people doing tire changes out of their garage, not having the proper equip. not following important steps and not even balancing tires at all. I have seen mistakes and heard of many accidents caused by these issues. Bashed I hope others read this and understand the risks. This is not my opinion from owning my own shop either, its just common sense. Alot of people think working on bikes is just another vehicle like a car, well its not even close, takes alot more attention to detail and there is no room for a "honest mistake."

[Tipys]

I am just happy to see some one recognizing this as an issue. I know of a few people doing tire changes out of their garage, not having the proper equip. not following important steps and not even balancing tires at all. I have seen mistakes and heard of many accidents caused by these issues. Bashed I hope others read this and understand the risks. This is not my opinion from owning my own shop either, its just common sense. Alot of people think working on bikes is just another vehicle like a car, well its not even close, takes alot more attention to detail and there is no room for a "honest mistake."

Plus 1....except I dont own a shop.

[modette99]

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[TFOGGuys]

I am just happy to see some one recognizing this as an issue. I know of a few people doing tire changes out of their garage, not having the proper equip. not following important steps and not even balancing tires at all. I have seen mistakes and heard of many accidents caused by these issues. Bashed I hope others read this and understand the risks. This is not my opinion from owning my own shop either, its just common sense. Alot of people think working on bikes is just another vehicle like a car, well its not even close, takes alot more attention to detail and there is no room for a "honest mistake."

+1

This goes for other service besides tire changes. We have a system of double checks in place on any critical safety related repairs, just because nobody is perfect.

[brennahm]

Out of curiosity, what accidents have you seen caused by mistakes when mounting and poorly/not balancing a tire?

[Tipys]

Tire blow outs, run flat

[Bashed]

I do tires up in Monument, CO
www.cowrw.com
wearbar@gmail.com

I'm not a business nor do I have liability insurance, just a guy in a garage with a No-Mar. I had only one mistake and that was I broke the damn plastic valve stem holder on a Valkyrie rim, I ran out and bought another one ($4). Otherwise mounting tires on rims is not rocket science.

Although I run this like a business, I do not want thousands of people/customers, just trying to have a steady return customer base. Pretty much to pay for the No-Mar. So far I have a good core customer base...has worked out nice.

Bash, Hit me up if you do any charity tire changes...maybe I'll mount my No-Mar on my trailer and we can tag team a large group and raise some money. Just a thought.

Modette99,
I have done plenty of charity in the past for the local sportbikers and their programs. They are worthwhile and deserving. If I were you, I would seperate my personal assets for my money making business. Even if you never make a mistake, of which you already admitted to in public, you are still vunerable to lawsuits. Do you have 10-30 large to defend yourself. Even if you are not at fault you will still have to pay somebody to do this.
People sue for anything, and you are setting yourself up for failure.Making a corperation does just that, with insurance, you and your family are less likely to suffer a financial hardship over a $50 tire swap. Do what you will,
but dont cry when it happens.

I am just happy to see some one recognizing this as an issue. I know of a few people doing tire changes out of their garage, not having the proper equip. not following important steps and not even balancing tires at all. I have seen mistakes and heard of many accidents caused by these issues. Bashed I hope others read this and understand the risks. This is not my opinion from owning my own shop either, its just common sense. Alot of people think working on bikes is just another vehicle like a car, well its not even close, takes alot more attention to detail and there is no room for a "honest mistake."

All others,
I know of a least 3 other people in this town alone doing this out of thier home. If they are running under the radar,not only is the IRS likly to catch them, they still potentialy face the situation which I described above as well as other goverment enities looking to get thier cut.


My message is this only, bikers, know who you are dealing with, check them out, ask around, and make an informed decision.

Your life literally depends on it!

Bash

[modette99]

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[Tipys]

Modette99 there is also more then just taking you time and knowing what your doing you would also be responsible if the tire has a defect. Also do you know how to read a DOT number? Because that is important part too.

[modette99]

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[Bashed]

Do what you will,
but dont cry when it happens.


My message is this only, bikers, know who you are dealing with, check them out, ask around, and make an informed decision.

Bash

This is what this Forum is for. Read into it what you want.
Sportbikers mostly, and others to take information in, assimalate the product, weed through the BS, spit out what they don't want or need and move forward as they see fit. Unfortunatly, people see and hear what they want to, not nessecarily what is best.

Please refer to the top quote, again.

[modette99]

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[The_Jackel]

Exactly, I sometimes hear customers asking why a "simple" tire change takes so long. I always tell them there is no rush on quality, why rush a tire change when we could overlook something and not perform a repair correctly which could be devastating. There is a reason we have had 100% customer satisfaction in our 4 years of being open, and we plan to keep it that way.

Out of curiosity, what accidents have you seen caused by mistakes when mounting and poorly/not balancing a tire?

We have had countless customers come in complaning how they just had their budget tires mounted and at speeds as low as 45MPH the wheel feels like its about to fly off because of such bad/no wheel balancing. Several wheel bearings and seals have been damaged from carelessness and over torqing of axles/not aligned correctly. Also have seen many wrecks from race take-off tires being run on the street, there is a reason they are THROW aways.

[The Black Knight]

Also have seen many wrecks from race take-off tires being run on the street, there is a reason they are THROW aways.

I think race take-offs are fine as long as the person buying them knows how to properly use them. They need heat put into them before you start riding at speed and must be treated with respect. However, I've run them for about as long as I've been riding and have had zero problems.

In fact my only low side I've had on the street was on regular Dunlop D208's that came on my bike. I used them for winter/colder weather riding as opposed to my Supercorsa take-offs. And through no fault of the tire(but my own) I just happen to hit sand(in Nov.) turning through a intersection and lost control.

So race take-offs are fine as long as the person using them respects them.

[modette99]

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[The Black Knight]

However I think Jackel is saying that a business should not be expected to put those on for people...too much liability. I have to agree.

That may be the case with some business. But I'd say a majority of places out there thumb their nose at race take-offs and riders who use them because the fact that the Rider didn't buy New Tires from that specific business.

So of course that business isn't going to like seeing race take-offs come in to be put on a bike. They use the fact that there is a liability with installing take-offs to get around the issue that they have with someone not buying tires(new) from them.

Before I started using Bash to flip my tires for me. I had taken some race take-offs to Apex and they just look down on you for wanting to use take-offs. And have this attitude that they can't believe you came to them to have a set installed. Which just shows the level of customer service that they "don't" care to provide. I, in turn don't frequent that place(unless I absolutely need too) and prefer to buy my parts "On-Line".

I hate to sound that way but if I'm going to get the cold treatment that I've seen from some of the bike places in town. I'm more than happy with sending my money to someone(on-line) that will offer excellent customer service. That's just the nature of the beast and for sure I'd love to keep the money in my local economy and local businesses. But my time and money aren't worth being treated like I'm some sort of hoodlum just because I want to run take-offs.