Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
Not a real world test. The Enterprise was entirely a static target. Given the warp drive capabilities I would give it an edge over the Death Star. Can we revisit this test with another Constitution class cruiser and have a captain that isn't away banging some Orion slave girl?
Shea
Now bikeless...
Originally Posted by Snowman
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
How appropriate having that happen in San Fran. The gheyness cannot be understated.
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There is no question an Ambassador Class Star Ship would be no match for a Death Star Class 1 or 2. However, has anyone considered a one to one match up between a Death Star Class 2 and a Full Sized Borg Cube?
Last edited by Snowman; Fri May 8th, 2009 at 12:08 PM.
MRA Racer No.427
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
Gotta go with Shea on this one...Not a real world test. The Enterprise was entirely a static target. Given the warp drive capabilities I would give it an edge over the Death Star. Can we revisit this test with another Constitution class cruiser and have a captain that isn't away banging some Orion slave girl?
Strategic targeting is definately more accurate than some kid shooting womp rats on his T-19.
PLUS, that Enterprise is far too mobile of a ship to fall prey to such a lumbering but devastating device
Also, Dirk, why's it always gotta be about size & who's is bigger with you, huh?
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So you’re saying the only real advantage the Enterprise has is that is can out maneuver a Death Star. So how is that defeating one?
MRA Racer No.427
Well if the other guy can't hit you, he sure can't beat you. And I also said that strategic targeting of phasers & photon torpedos would allow the Enterprise to easily exploit a weakness such as an unshielded exhaust port.
woah. suddnely I feel like I'm 13 again...
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Unless we cover said exhaust port with some plywood. But we have to get some bids first on that...
Shea
Now bikeless...
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Sounds like a matter of strategy to me. The Death Star(s) had tractor beams (TNH and ROTJ). A simple ambush style attack could allow the Death Star to lock the Enterprise into one of is trackor beams, then open fire until their shields failed.
On the other hand no weaponry on the Enterprise would be able to over come the entire mass of a Death Star. Being the size of the Enterprise would not allow it to fly down the trench leading to the exhaust port. Which I'm sure was fixed in the class 2 version.
Last edited by Snowman; Fri May 8th, 2009 at 12:26 PM.
MRA Racer No.427
However, it takes quite awhile for the main weaponry to power up and given Star Trek canon, the shields on even low level Star Fleet ships are immune to laser fire (I would assume even Turbo Lasers). While the Enterprise is being "captured" by a tractor beam it is free to fire it's weapons and I would further assume as the primary Death Star weaponry is being charged, the emitters are being bombarded by either photon or quantum torpedoes, en mass. Therefore, I still think the Enterprise will come out, perhaps not on top, but at least in a draw.
Shea
Now bikeless...
...until the Defiant shows up!
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I agree to defeat a Death Star would require a fair amount of brinksmanship. In a blow-to-blow battle, however the Enterprise would be toast in seconds.
And you forget the other weapons in the arsenal of a Death Star. It was designed to fight off a large-scale assault, so of course there would be more than turbo lasers. It would have docked Imperial Class Star ships that could protect the stations more vulnerable areas.
It would require a master plan to defeat one… Even it the Defiant showed up.
MRA Racer No.427
So I can't help but wonder if this whole Death Star v. Enterprise was a result of someone watching "First Contact" while eating special brownies...
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That and the CO2 gas collecting in their parents basement which they were living in at the time.
MRA Racer No.427
s'pose that's a different kind of "greenhouse effect"
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Plus 7,293 TIE fighters, 2,600 ion cannons, and at least 768 tractor beam projectors.
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
I'm wondering why this is even being discussed seeing as how the the Death Star only existed long long ago in a galaxy far far away... It is a time of civil war, and renegade paragraphs floating through space.
The Enterprise is only good for a 5 year mission from Earth... in about 150 years from now...
Do not put off living the life you dream of. Next year may never come. If we are always waiting for something to change...
Retirement, the kids to leave home, the weather or the economy, that's not living. That's waiting!
Waiting will only leaves us with unrealized dreams and empty wishes.
You rebel scum.
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
Hey if they can go back in time to rescue humpback whales, surely they can go back in time to have the Empire open a can of whoop-ass on them.
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
So anyone going to attempt to see this new Star Trek Movie?
I’m kind a expecting this will be the final last and most complete failure of Gene Rodenberry’s vision.
Last edited by Snowman; Fri May 8th, 2009 at 01:43 PM.
MRA Racer No.427
I'll probably go see it next week. Hopefully it'll be good. Looks like lots of action in it.
Dirk
Formerly MRA #211 - High Precision Racing
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
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