NPR = morons

[drago52]

The US wasn't a country of it's own. We were a province of Britain (and others). If they want it back, should they be allowed to invade now?

They did try to take it back and we beat their asses (with some help).

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

What do you define a "invade?" I would classify what the Mexicans are doing as invading the US. The only people that would care about freezing the borders now and not invading are the people who wouldn't invade anyways.

I agree. They ARE invading us. Time to stop that shit, immediately, and ship 'em back.

[TinkerinWstuff]

I can see you aren't going to accept "hey, you shouldn't call 25% of the world's population terrorists simply because of their faith", so let's dig deeper into your psyche.

The terrorist attack certainly appeared unprovoked. What was their motive again for attacking us? From this motivation, what lead you to the belief that all muslims were terrorists? Just lay back on the couch and let's talk about your feelings..

Now you're putting words in peoples mouths to suit your arguement.

No one, not anyone I know of, has said "all muslims were terrorists"

Lets talk about your debating skills?

[drago52]

But they were devout Catholics. I fear all Catholics as much as I fear all Muslims.

exactly, thank you

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

But they were devout Catholics. I fear all Catholics as much as I fear all Muslims.

When was the last time a bunch of Catholics flew jets into a building?

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Now you're putting words in peoples mouths to suit your arguement.

No one, not anyone I know of, has said "all muslims were terrorists"

Lets talk about your debating skills?

How's this: not all muslims are terrorists, but by a vast majority almost all terrorists are muslims. Does that make anyone feel better? Or would you like R. Lee Emery as a psychotherapist?

[salsashark]

[TinkerinWstuff]

jumping outside of the arguement

People who do not feel they have opportunity will turn to crime and violence. Muslims live in a region of the world where most of them work day to day just to SURVIVE, not to improve their daily quality of life like we do here.

If Muslims living in that region of the world felt they had opportunity, they would have more to live for than killing in the name of Allah. It will be interesting to see if the minerals found in Asscrackistan become the wealth of a select few like the oil in Saudi? Or will the citizens get to earn an honest living and improve their daily quality of life?

[drago52]

How's this: not all muslims are terrorists, but by a vast majority almost all terrorists are muslims. Does that make anyone feel better? Or would you like R. Lee Emery as a psychotherapist?

yay.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

yay.

Would you like a tissue?

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

jumping outside of the arguement

People who do not feel they have opportunity will turn to crime and violence. Muslims live in a region of the world where most of them work day to day just to SURVIVE, not to improve their daily quality of life like we do here.

If Muslims living in that region of the world felt they had opportunity, they would have more to live for than killing in the name of Allah. It will be interesting to see if the minerals found in Asscrackistan become the wealth of a select few like the oil in Saudi? Or will the citizens get to earn an honest living and improve their daily quality of life?

Poverty does not, in and of itself, spawn terrorism. If so, there'd be a bunch of toothless, Baptist, Southern rednecks driving pickups with a bed full of jerry cans into buildings....

[Sean]

Just like Japan DID bomb us at Pearl Harbor. Not ALL of them either. But, again, to claim that being a terrorist somehow doesn't make them muslim as well is unrealistic.

So if an Asian person gets on a plane (because in WWII there were plenty of suicide bombers) we should also be fearful? I feel like that's the generalization the NPR is disputing in the article.

No one, not anyone I know of, has said "all muslims were terrorists"

But that's why this started, becuase the guy got fired for generalizing all Muslims. Maybe I misread the link (which is completely possible), but he was saying that the terms Muslim and terrorist go hand in hand. Which is why he got fired. Please correct me if you got something else.

When was the last time a bunch of Catholics flew jets into a building?

That's your argument? seriously?

[rforsythe]

Poverty does not, in and of itself, spawn terrorism. If so, there'd be a bunch of toothless, Baptist, Southern rednecks driving pickups with a bed full of jerry cans into buildings....

Best. mental. image. ever.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

jumping outside of the arguement

People who do not feel they have opportunity will turn to crime and violence. Muslims live in a region of the world where most of them work day to day just to SURVIVE, not to improve their daily quality of life like we do here.

If Muslims living in that region of the world felt they had opportunity, they would have more to live for than killing in the name of Allah. It will be interesting to see if the minerals found in Asscrackistan become the wealth of a select few like the oil in Saudi? Or will the citizens get to earn an honest living and improve their daily quality of life?

It seems, over there, they have over thousands of years developed a culture of bloodthirsty acts, justifying anything and everything in the name of allah. See how the predominantly Christian nations behave and treat their subjects (and outsiders) vs. those under muslim rule/sharia law. And that has nothing to do with poverty, but mentality and twisted ideals.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Best. mental. image. ever.

Here's the soundtrack:

Hey y'all, hold my PBR and watch this!

[rforsythe]

It seems, over there, they have over thousands of years developed a culture of bloodthirsty acts, justifying anything and everything in the name of allah.

Careful. Catholicism/Christianity has been used the same way for a couple thousand years as well. Different god, still a lot of dead people. Just because it isn't the predominant religion waging holy wars today does not make that point less relevant.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

So if an Asian person gets on a plane (because in WWII there were plenty of suicide bombers) we should also be fearful? I feel like that's the generalization the NPR is disputing in the article.
Um, that was 70 years ago in the middle of a little skirmish called WWII?

But that's why this started, becuase the guy got fired for generalizing all Muslims. Maybe I misread the link (which is completely possible), but he was saying that the terms Muslim and terrorist go hand in hand. Which is why he got fired. Please correct me if you got something else.
If the majority of people flying planes into buildings IS in fact arab muslims, then the generalization is warranted IMO.

That's your argument? seriously?
For the last 40+ years I've watched time after time, starting with the Olympic massacre, muslim terrorist acts. To the point where it's the norm, and a part of daily life in those parts of the world. After a while of trying to deny what your own eyes tell you, you cave in to the facts. In my line of work, that's what I'm trained to do. Establish root cause, regardless of if the conclusion is what I want to see or not.

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[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Careful. Catholicism/Christianity has been used the same way for a couple thousand years as well. Different god, still a lot of dead people. Just because it isn't the predominant religion waging holy wars today does not make that point less relevant.

True, but those barbaric acts (and they WERE barbaric) occurred many hundreds of years ago. I can see a primitive people commiting such acts, but we're to the point where for the most part the world is civilized enough to realize that those acts are not acceptable today. If people are civilized enough today to make a call on a cell phone, they're (or should be) civilized enough to NOT use that cell phone as a bomb trigger.

[jbnwc]

jumping outside of the arguement

People who do not feel they have opportunity will turn to crime and violence. Muslims live in a region of the world where most of them work day to day just to SURVIVE, not to improve their daily quality of life like we do here.

If Muslims living in that region of the world felt they had opportunity, they would have more to live for than killing in the name of Allah. It will be interesting to see if the minerals found in Asscrackistan become the wealth of a select few like the oil in Saudi? Or will the citizens get to earn an honest living and improve their daily quality of life?

I used to think that way, but not all terrorist are from impoverished nations. Many of them are born or have lived much of their life outside of "Muslim" countries. Besides, there are plenty of poor people in the US that never turn to violence, so the attraction to Jihad cannot be based on money.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

I used to think that way, but not all terrorist are from impoverished nations. Many of them are born or have lived much of their life outside of "Muslim" countries. Besides, there are plenty of poor people in the US that never turn to violence, so the attraction to Jihad cannot be based on money.

Exactly. There IS no connection. It is the IDEALS that make them terrorists, not their economic position. Indeed, many of them are middle-class and somewhat educated.

[Sean]

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Man, there are 1.57 billion Muslims in the world inover 50 countries equating almost 24% of the population. Your generalization is not warrented.

And as for Christianity being better, you need to read some history. Catholics and Protestants have a long history of war. And if you're going to say that it's not recent, ever been to Northern Ireland?

[jbnwc]

True, but those barbaric acts (and they WERE barbaric) occurred many hundreds of years ago.

What were Muslims doing in Jerusalem? ...and Turkey, Greece, Spain, Austria, etc? hmmmm

[jbnwc]

And as for Christianity being better, you need to read some history. Catholics and Protestants have a long history of war. And if you're going to say that it's not recent, ever been to Northern Ireland?

The difference here is that the Irish are not killing each other because of religious ideas.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

Man, there are 1.57 billion Muslims in the world inover 50 countries equating almost 24% of the population. Your generalization is not warrented.

And as for Christianity being better, you need to read some history. Catholics and Protestants have a long history of war. And if you're going to say that it's not recent, ever been to Northern Ireland?

Yes, it is. The vast majority of what are considered terrorist acts are perpatrated by muslims.

Northern Ireland is not as bad as it was when I was growing up. And, I agree, those guys were just as much terrorists as the muslims today are. And, for reference, the IRA was the ones who mostly taught the modern terrorists how to build the bombs. The difference is, the IRA has stopped that, and the muslims seem to be just ramping up. Plus, they've done a LOT more damage than the IRA ever did.