I have a track bike which specifies PON/RON 95.8/100. If I were to purchase the highest PON I could find, which seems to be 94:
1) Would you use an octane booster?
2) If so, do you have any recommendations?
Thank you!
I have a track bike which specifies PON/RON 95.8/100. If I were to purchase the highest PON I could find, which seems to be 94:
1) Would you use an octane booster?
2) If so, do you have any recommendations?
Thank you!
If you plan on running pump gas I am sure premium should be sufficient at this altitude. Otherwise use race gas.
As Bueller stated, you don't need a high octane fuel at this elevation. Most of your better race fuels are around 90 octane. VP's MR12 has usually made the most power of anything out there and was the choice of most AMA teams prior to the spec fuel rule and it only has a MON of 87. Keep in mind that the different race fuels burn differently and will require different mapping depending on what you use. Brian38 did a detailed post on here years ago regarding race fuel when he owned TK and then Faster. Do a search for it.
My suggestion, find somewhere that sells non-ethanol pump fuel and use that. There is a place in Lakewood but I am not sure about in the Springs.
I think it'll be tough to find some w/o ethanol. The bike will have a AFM so I can adjust for track, temp, fuel, etc...
Then you're all set!
Originally Posted by UglyDogRacing
Jim, where is this place in Lakewood? I think you posted it up previously, but it may have gotten lost in the crash...there was a place in FoCo that carried 91 w/o ethanol, but they recently switched, and the other place I know of is in Idaho Springs...
I hope it had changed, but I've heard issues with the plastic fuel tank in the KTM w/ Ethanol. Wonder if that's true or not...
all bikes with plastic tanks have been having problems with ethanol fuels
Ducati and Aprilia forums have lots of posts on the subject.
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Brad's Conoco
(303) 988-3030
1075 S Union Blvd
Lakewood, CO 80228
Awesome...
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=CO
Closest one is 50 miles. Will have to plan ahead, and buy prior to.
Last edited by TransNone13; Thu May 5th, 2011 at 09:40 AM.
Only use lead-free fuel that is in compliance with the EN 228 standard with the corresponding octane
number (RON...) or is equivalent to these specifications.
» It is safe to use fuel with up to 10 % ethanol (E10 fuel).
» Do not use fuel made from methanol (e. g. M15, M85, M100) or fuel with more than 10 % ethanol (e. g.
E15, E25, E85, E100).
MODELS WITH SEPARATE LUBRICATION
From model year 2000 – Status January 2011
Found this in the manual for the KTM. Will try treatments and will drain between races I guess.
Last edited by TransNone13; Thu May 5th, 2011 at 10:06 AM.
Hmmm, funny, the race gas I used to get was 104, but I can't remember what formula was used to measure that.
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I saw pumps at HPR, do they sell it at PMP too or not?
PMP has been unreliable in terms of availability.
Does your Duc have issues?
Depends on what you mean by issues.
The engine is moderatly built so I run either the race gas from HPR in it (appropriately jetted) or clear unleaded fuel from a station in Fort Lupton.
The bike is too old for having a plastic tank, all metal on mine, so no issues there.
I thought yours was metal, thanks. I guess I'll cross the bridge when I get there.
My aprilia has a plastic tank and I have never had an issues running pump fuel with ethanol.
I live and work RIGHT by Brad's Conoco. I fill up all my bikes there as often as I can and definitely fill up there for race weekends.
Anything Italian has issues.....
Here's an interesting thought: Back in the old days of metal tanks, they had this 2-part stuff you'd use to coat the inside of your tank to prevent rust. If I remember, you just drained it, washed it out wish soap and water, dried it, poured the primer in it, then just basically rolled the tank around to completely coat the inside of the tank, then let it dry and did the same for the sealant. My question is: Is that stuff still around, and would it solve the problems people are having with plastic tanks by being an impermeable barrier between the tank and the fuel? Hmmmmm....
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"...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
-Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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Blu/Wht '01 Gixxer 1K, '91 KX500
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Tokin' SortaTalian
(Pronounced: Kind-A-Dago)
The stuff is called POR15 and it's still around. I just fixed up Sarah's tank with it this spring. It seems to work great!Anything Italian has issues.....
Here's an interesting thought: Back in the old days of metal tanks, they had this 2-part stuff you'd use to coat the inside of your tank to prevent rust. If I remember, you just drained it, washed it out wish soap and water, dried it, poured the primer in it, then just basically rolled the tank around to completely coat the inside of the tank, then let it dry and did the same for the sealant. My question is: Is that stuff still around, and would it solve the problems people are having with plastic tanks by being an impermeable barrier between the tank and the fuel? Hmmmmm....
It would not work well with plastic tanks as it's specifically designed to bond with metal. The initial stuff you pour in is an acid etching agent that cleans the metal to a finish that allows the second stuff to bind to it. The MSDS that came with it was actually a bit scary.
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Yeah, it'd been years since I saw the stuff, I knew it was 2-steps but didn't remember exactly. Hmmm, I think I see a market opportunity for these guys. I'll bet they could make up something to etch and coat the tanks with that would solve the problem. As paranoid as the EPA is nowadays, the MSDS sheet for almost anything is scary.......especially those new "green" lightbulbs, right?
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"...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
-Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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Blu/Wht '01 Gixxer 1K, '91 KX500
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Tokin' SortaTalian
(Pronounced: Kind-A-Dago)
I've used Kreem tank sealant for an old rusty tank. Very similar to POR and the sealant is quite nasty. It will start to peel over time, so not a permanent fix.
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