Dirk... A great photo story of what the situation is at Rollins Pass. Best I've come across.
Dirk... A great photo story of what the situation is at Rollins Pass. Best I've come across.
You just reminded me to order your book. Done. Can't wait to see it.Originally Posted by sfarson
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"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self- preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
Yeah nice book!
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Wow, I just learned quite a bit. I even sent an email to Boulder county commissioners. Not that it will do ANY good at all, since pretty much every elected official in this country is completely worthless.
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So you're saying you ride over the pass on a regular basis? Where? Are you just poaching it, or what?
YEs I ride up and over on a regular basis. I'll leave WP, eat at the Stage Stop in Rollinsville, then head back over on a YZ250. I have to bring an extra Gallon and a half but no biggie. I will be posting up some photos of that area and some area trail(s) once I get back in CO. The routes are steep and loose from Rollinsville to WP, but easier from WP on over to Rollinsville. It would take a Seriously good rider to chase a person down when crossing over one side to the other. Some routes are more...roll of the dice than others. Like the singletrack to Eldora which I'm sure some people know about which is up there. Good, techy in spots single track. Its short. But you do have to Poach that if you want to cruise down Eldora Ski Area and make a loop out of it lol. You can go from WP, over to Eldora, Stop at Rollinsville, Then up and over all using a different route(s) than the one you came in on. None of it passes through Wilderness. ADV bikes would not make it. Need a dirtbike.
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Some of us ADV people are pretty good. Then again I ride a plated XR650R so that's more dirt then say a XC800, or a GS650 and what have you.
Seriously, people think they can ride their KLR's and Gs's and the KTM ADV's up there but prob not. Atleast going from East to West. Their are pinch point(s) either way you go, and the climbs would be the killer. IT would take a serious effort/skill from the rider to make those elephants climb the loose rocky crap without stalling or digging a rut a foot deep. I recommend trying the climbs twice, and then turning around if the person is not succeeding. The climbs are fun, but loose....just like some women I once knewMaybe it was my small penis? I dont know? But....going from West to East, the bigger bikes have a better shot with only the pinch point(s) to deal with. Be posting some photos soon.
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I believe your good, but I dont see how an ADV bike would make it up there without quite a bit of effort. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not see an ADV bike making it up and over, East to West, very easily.
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Not sure if you want to share GPS tracks if you got them but I be interested, if you rather PM me them that is cool.
I would hardly call my bike an Adventure...although it is a Pig...280lbs-300lbs...
PM sent
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I guess my question is, can you not find any other area's that you can ride in legaly? Why here, where you know it's wrong to be there?
I'm not sure I would feel right knowing I was riding in a closed area. Perhaps if I unknowingly got into somewhere through a back way not signed, but to ride in intentionally just isn't right. Don't get me wrong, I have done plenty wrong in my time, and am certainly no saint, but I think I have matured enough to know right from wrong, and now you are sharing information so that others can do the same, not cool.
No ego here, move along, nothing to see....
This is why people get hurt and lost, and us other taxpayers bail them out of thier pickle, there ambition outweighs thier talent.Seriously, people think they can ride their KLR's and Gs's and the KTM ADV's up there but prob not. Atleast going from East to West. Their are pinch point(s) either way you go, and the climbs would be the killer. IT would take a serious effort/skill from the rider to make those elephants climb the loose rocky crap without stalling or digging a rut a foot deep. I recommend trying the climbs twice, and then turning around if the person is not succeeding. The climbs are fun, but loose....just like some women I once knew
Trust me ,he ain't that good. Average at best.
Shame on you. It is not cool! How would you like somebody riding through your backyard everyday? It is not right and it is a closed area.
Appearently your desires are more important than what is right.
Not cool, not even a little.
This right here, is why more and more areas get closed to motorized use every year. People do and go wherever the hell they want, and then wonder and bitch when it gets closed, along with other roads like these. This is also why enviromental groups have leverage, they see people riding in closed areas, document it, and use it to keep them closed. You never know who sees you poaching, taking pictures.
Thanks for scewing it up for the rest of us.
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Rollins Pass is suppose to be open, legally or the other route as stated by LAW. Boulder is the one doing illegal things and not following the laws the feds set out. I'm amazed people even follow the signs as they are not legal at all.
Your point of things getting closed, well they can close it all but that would not stop people. It is and always will be pointless for the government to close various trails down. In the end it does nothing. They will never have the man power to monitor land use.
Back yards...hmmm unless you own the National Forest it belongs to us all. Its not YOUR backyard, its all of ours. I did not see him state to ride private land, or land that is posted to keep out, or trails signed otherwise.
Plus I would like to add, you assuming me asking for GPS tracks mean I will ride it. Asking for tracks does not mean I'll do anything other then look at it on a map and see where this trail goes.
Apparently you live in some sort of La La Land, cuz it sure is't reality.
The people managing the land in question have signed it closed.
That is the reality of it. You are in violation if you ride it.
If you ride it, or any other closed area knowingly, you are not a good representative of the motorcycling community.
End of story.
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Mike... Well observed. +1
we have talked about this in various places. The "play by the(their) rules" crowd has failed to get Boulder to observe the law for over 20yrs?
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Yes, I understand the situation up there.
I also understand why people would go ahead and ride the roads.
They feel they are getting a shitty deal, and I actually agree with that.
But riding the area is not the solution to getting it opened up.
There are other ways to achieve the desired results without damaging a otherwise delicate situation.
Perhaps if people are so enamered with the way it is, they could stage a protest and invite the media. Afterall, as some have put it, it all of our land, so get all of the people on your side. Call out the people responsible and perswade the public that they are the bad guys.
Make people responsible for thier actions.
This is easier said than done, from my experiance most would rather chance getting caught and deal with a slap on the wrist, than put up a fight for what they feel wronged them. This is what this country has become, and shame on all of us. Rant off.
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agreed. an organized protest would be far more effective than just being a random thug.
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This is how you can help for a measly $25 per year. They are fighting the good fight...for us!
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COHVCO = Have not done much of anything either.
I agree with a protest, I even said so on ADVRider, show up to Rollins in a large group, let Boulder know in advance, let media know. And ride around any barrier. They are not going to do much to 100 or so people. It might get it out there, look here is the law, one two routes is suppose to be open upon the agreement with the Feds. Seeing as neither are...the agreement is null in void.
Groups have offered to PAY for the repairs to the tunnel, Boulder can ask for the Feds for money as stated under the LAW to get one of the two routes open. Boulder has no interest, they HATE motorcycles, they hate off road users except if you HIKE.
Thing is 20 years have passed. Anyone new to the area would think it is SUPPOSE to be closed, they no no better. They moved here from CA and tend to be anti everything anyways....so they are happy not knowing the truth.
It be like Mt Herman closing for good, I would ride around any gate, I would hook a chain up and tear the gate out. Sad part is, a lot of people would because it is SO popular plus the area I live. In Boulder I guess you don't have people that stand up.
Yup, I live in LALA land because I obey the law most of the time. Law says it or the other route is to be open end of story. So in reality no charge could stick if you ride the OTHER route, Tunnel was closed, thus making the other route the feds said HAD to be open de facto the route for now.
I am not screwing it up for the rest of..."you" There are so many angles you could take up with this argument its not even funny. The funny thing is, that route is under discussion and has been approved to be re-open. Neither county(s) on the other hand wants to fund the effort though, and joint funding is at a standstill. So it remains closed. YEs bash you may "wander" in an area accidentily, and that is my story since there are no closure signs going from West to East. As far as fighting Non-Motorized companies, there are major companies who fight for non motorized use, such as REI and Cliff BAR. Funding is put aside strictly for land conservation. With CohVco, I've worked with them personally over the years and agree they do a very nice job fighting for out rights and helping out etc etc. Nothing bad to say about them. Also, I do not have a GPS to give my coordinates to Moddette. But if he wants to go for a ride, i"ll take him. Truth is the only way to get trails built and re-opened is to have someone who is pro motorized in the system. Which there are not to many in the federal services. BLM, FS, blah blah blah. We are going through the same crap with the closures of trails near Tabernash. Illegal trails, all GPSed, all layed out nicley. Funny thing is, they were put in by dirtbikes, and now dirtbikes are getting the cold shoulder from bicyclers, hikers...etc. Its dumb and the trails are now closed. Some reasons
1. New Land owners not likeing trails going through private property.. even 1/10 mi on the furthest corner. Legal Re-routes are a bitch to deal with
2. Hunters,
3. Bicycles, there shit doesnt stink
3. Noise (which will always be an issue)
Anyway enjoy the photos
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Well damn I cant figure out how to get my photos from the CD on here. Hopefully soon. Any help?
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On the contrary, modette....from the COHVCO web site. Yes, it's dated but perhaps you will contact Mr. Ryther to see where this is at. Or maybe no one showed up at the meeting to rep motorcyclists? You can bet the anit-access forces showed up. If they have 100 and we have 3, I don't have to tell you the outcome.
To interested parties,
I am a Gilpin County resident and am contacting you to propose an idea some of us have been working on to help the reopening of Rollins Pass Road. In my conversations with the various entities involved, the consensus seems to be there is a need to consolidate the various interests. I have had conversations with my county officials and USFS about this and they have expressed a serious interest. Also, I have
communicated wit three off-road clubs, COHVCO, Colorado state Parks Grant Program, Colorado Railroad Museum, and the Nederland Area Historical Society. All of whom are strongly motivated to help.
Here is the basic idea. There are many groups with interest in the opening of this road, but the reality for USFS and county funding today is that there is little money available for a project of this scope. We propose the formation of a Management Committee representing these groups to work with USFS officials to open, preserve and maintain the road. Under the terms of a cost share agreement, this body could seek and secure grants, government funding and other resources, identify and plan routine maintenance and repair work with USFS and help with signage and education for the traveling or recreating public.
I believe the key to the realization of this project is a coordinated effort to concentrate the railroad, OHV and other interests and develop a plan to mitigate the concerns of Boulder County and others who are questioning who will take stewardship of this special place when the barriers are finally dispatched.
We are largely a group of local enthusiasts who are willing to be available and give of our time and talents, which range from structural engineering to transportation maintenance to excavation contractors, to fulfill the dream of reopening the Hill Route.
There will be a meeting of the Rollinsville Area Historical Society on 15 April at 2:00 PM at the Stage Stop in Rollinsville. Part of our discussion will include this proposal and I invite you to attend. There will be a meeting of the OHV committee on 19 April 2007 at 5:00 PM at the Boulder USFS Office to discuss the status of the reopening project.
I encourage you to come and speak on behalf of your interests. I have a good list of contacts and invite you to contact me for information or to discuss ideas. I want to bring this proposal formally before the USFS and the commissioners of the counties and hope you will consider getting involved. Thank You.
John W. Ryther
16410 Hwy.119
Golden,Co. 80403
(303)642-0662
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