hey I'm going to do a before the sun is up run to deer canyon and continue west up to bear creek then loop down back to c470 near Morrison plenty of carving then straight shot down c470 to head back. it's about a 2.5 hour run however this run is going to maintain a pace until we start getting to the top of deer canyon so i can take some pics as well as bear canyon if your interested in joining me let me know I'll be starting at about 5:30 am start point is in englewood.