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    MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

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    1 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Honda RC212V 1:47.289
    2 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Honda RC212V 1:47.566
    3 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Ducati GP11 1:47.732
    4 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Honda RC212V 1:47.836
    5 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:47.912
    6 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda RC212V 1:47.942
    7 Colin Edwards Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:48.169
    8 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:48.197
    9 Hector Barbera Aspar Team Ducati GP11 1:48.406
    10 Valentino Rossi Ducati Marlboro Ducati GP11 1:48.667
    11 Hiroshi Aoyama San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda RC212V 1:48.776
    12 Alvara Bautista Rizla Suzuki Suzuki GSV-R 1:48.880
    13 Randy De Puniet Pramac Racing Ducati GP11 1:48.892
    14 Cal Crutchlow Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:49.385
    15 Toni Elias LCR Honda Honda RC212V 1:49.415
    16 Karel Abraham Cardion AB MotoRacing Ducati GP11 1:49.813
    17 Kousuke Akiyoshi LCR Honda Honda RC212V 1:50.688
    18 Shin Ich Itoh Repsol Honda Honda RC212V 1:51.461
    19 Damian Cudlin Pramac Racing Ducati GP11 1:53.218


    FYI- Speed is showing the MotoGP race live at 11pm PST Sat. night
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

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    01. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda 1m 46.790s
    02. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda 1m 46.844s
    03. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda 1m 46.952s
    04. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 47.188s
    05. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 47.310s
    06. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro 1m 47.381s
    07. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 47.785s
    08. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Marlboro 1m 47.975s
    09. Hector Barbera ESP Mapfre Aspar 1m 48.055s
    10. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 48.076s
    11. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki 1m 48.097s
    12. Randy de Puniet FRA Pramac Racing 1m 48.374s
    13. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 48.379s
    14. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 48.567s
    15. Toni Elias ESP LCR Honda 1m 48.743s
    16. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing 1m 49.305s
    17. Kousuke Akiyoshi JPN LCR Honda 1m 49.464s
    18. Shinichi Ito JPN Honda Racing Team 1m 49.673s
    19. Damian Cudlin AUS Pramac Racing 1m 51.349s

    Motegi has been ground zero for controversy throughout the GP season. Following twin catastrophies that befell Japan such a short time ago rumors of circuit boycotts and calendar changes abounded. The circuit was only recently confirmed to be remaining on the schedule. As it stands, the grid will be "full" despite previous setbacks. Also notable is that Motegi represents the 2nd track this season to have undergone resurfacing recently. Considering both the issues experienced at IMS and the drama surrounding attendance this weekend it will be interesting to see how the riders adapt to the situation.

    At Yamaha expectations have been set high, though temperred with the need for improvement. After a thrilling race last year en route to his championship Jorge Lorenzo is hoping to improve on his form despite the challenges posed by a resurgent Honda. His title retention hopes would have been aided immensely had Casey chosen to sit out the round. With Stoner confirmed to be in attendance his task seems that much harder as Casey continues to manage his championshp lead expertly. Across the garage, Ben Spies showed excellent pace last year aboard the satellite Yamaha but his ultimate result was hampered by a bad start that saw him plummet in the early laps. This year aboard the factory Yamaha he looks to use recently learned lessons that have seen occassions of much improved starts to put the Yamaha at the pointy end early in the race and keep him in contention.

    While the Yamaha team appears rather cohesive the rivalries at Honda bring interesting intra-team drama to the fore. Despite several claims that they would drop to only two factory rides and riders in 2012, Honda has confirmed that Simoncelli will continue to ride a 3rd factory bike, albeit on a satellite team. This has left Dovizioso twisting in the wind without contract confirmation and his only apparent prospects being satellite rides. Whether this is a step down from what could have been on the table had he capitulated to Honda's wishes to move him to a satellite team this year is not clear as there has been little-to-no indication that Honda would have continued to provide factory support with that move. Considering the economic and political climate it is entirely likely that Dovizioso would have the same options at the end of this season, but without the bargaining position of results afforded by his factory ride. It would be difficult to imagine that Dovizioso envisioned any other form of treatment considering Honda's track record in this regard.

    In the meantime, Casey Stoner continues to work on fullfilling the prophecy delivered earlier this year. He continues to hold Lorenzo to a 44 point deficit and is returning to a track that he won on using the recalcitrant GP10. On the much more refined RC212V he is a clear favorite for victory this weekend, however he has been very reluctant to race at this track. How the undoubtedly considerable pressure forced on him by Honda to ensure his participation will affect the outcomes of the weekend remain to be seen.

    Motegi represents Ducati's second race with an aluminum infused chassis, however very large questions remain about exactly which chassis will make an appearance for each race. After an acknoledged positive test that Ducati rather downplayed by only indicating that Rossi was "close to Stoner's times", paddock insiders claim that Rossi's personal reaction was silent but quite a bit more telling. If the chassis is that good, then despite Ducati's continued claims that they will not take a new chassis and the resultant engine penalty it is very likely that an all aluminum GP11.3 will make an appearance before the season is complete to allow Ducati additional testing. The primary restriction for such a quick deployment in previous iteration, namely the time consuming nature of working with carbon fibre, will have been removed. Whether Nicky will be able to make use of the new chassis is also open to debate. He was previously barred from using the GP11.2 due to parts availability (see: carbon fibre). With faster development allowed by the aluminum chassis it is possible (though somewhat unlikely; see: politics) that both Ducati factory riders will be performing on-track testing during race weekends.

    Finally (for the factory teams) there is the Army of One (tm) - Alvaro Bautista. His form on the undeveloped, underfunded Suzuki this season has been phenomenal, and his confidence has obviously grown from race to race. He has put up several good results this season on the GVR, including an intense battle at the last race. Whether development of the other bikes (Ducati) will push him further down in the pack will be a development worth watching.
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    F'ing honda's this year! They are unstoppable! I know all of the riders are top notch, but still...

    Get some, Nicky! Show'em what the Kentucky Kid's got!

    Who is Damian? It's going to be a long day for him being 5 seconds off of the pace!

    I wonder if anybody is going to use an extra motor and start in pit lane? It didn't go that badly for Rossi last race.

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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Who is Damian? It's going to be a long day for him being 5 seconds off of the pace!
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    From MOTOGP.com

    Damian Cudlin:
    "...I've never ridden a real MotoGP bike before and I've never been to Motegi either, so realistically my expectations can't be too high..."

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    $10 says he crashes in the first five laps (not that I hope he does, it just seems par for the course with many people doing their first gp race as a sub)

    Well, at least Toni and Randy won't have to battle for last place!

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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    damn spies...lol

    I'll have to try to catch the race.

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    ^Thats what Im thinking too, WTF Spies!?

    It is entertaining as hell watching Stoner manhandle that Honda though. Have to admit, he's killing it! All of the Hondas are doing well actually.
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post

    $10 says he crashes in the first five laps (not that I hope he does, it just seems par for the course with many people doing their first gp race as a sub)
    He may last longer than Ben Bostrom. Then again...
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    Holy Jumpstart! Wicked good race... maybe best of the year
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    rossi didnt even make it to the corner i was sitting at

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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    Quote Originally Posted by sprtbkbabe View Post
    Holy Jumpstart! Wicked good race... maybe best of the year
    Very fun to watch, especially Simoncelli vs Dovi in the last couple of laps.

    As for the Jumpstart it looked like Dovi jumped, which then startled Simoncelli who then jumps, who then startles Crutchlow, etc. They were all one in front of the other on the right side and you could see them jump one after the other :P
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    I was honestly impressed at how Ben came back into the swing of things. Took him a little bit, but fought back all the way from 17th to 6th. Makes me wonder where he wouldve ended up had Rossi not lost the front and pushed him out.

    Either way though, it was a very good race. Im excited to see the Moto2 sessions as well. Talk about competitive.....

    Anyone know when they air?
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    125cc is on tuesday at some point (speedtv)
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    Ah ok, Id assume Moto2 will be on sometime around then too...
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    you never know. Speedtv is dumber than Paris Hilton in a math class
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    First off, huge thumbs up to the Japanese people for weathering a horrific natural disaster, compounded by a issue with their reactors, to rebuild their country without the vandalism and looting that would have happened in this country, to host a great MotoGP race. Class act all the way, especially the fans holding up the signs thankful the race was run.

    I figured Crashey Stoner, er, WHINEY Stoner, er, CASEY Stoner would race, despite his pouty posturing about "Never going to Japan" because he thought it was "unsafe". Guess my PhD friend at the DOE was right after all about there being no hazard.

    I don't think that crash was really Rossi's fault, loking at it digitally, frame-by-frame, him and Lorentho came together, and that knocked him into Spies, unfortunattely. Also, I don't think Dovi or 'Celli went out of their start box in the "jumped start", and so shouldn't have been penalized, gifting Stoner with 3rd. Great race though, especially between Dovi' and 'Celli.
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    Re: MotoGP: Motegi 2011 (spoilers)

    125s


    800s

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    Quote Originally Posted by sag View Post
    125s


    800s
    mmk. Yep.

    Im officially jelly.....
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