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    Fucking cool: air powered dirt bike

    Even better it's a Yamaha

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    It doesn’t really matter whether electric motorcycles are the next thing in two-wheeled transportation/recreation, because the door has been opened for an honest debate about the permanence of internal combustion engines (ICE) in our future motorcycles. One of the bi-products of this rare “think outside the box” moments in motorcycling is the idea that compressed air could be a viable energy source to replace gasoline. I have to admit as PADI certified diver, the idea has always seemed extremely far-fetched to me whenever I’ve heard it brought up.
    I have played with small-scale compressed-air cars before, and even at a larger scale there would appear to be issues of energy density, efficiency, storage safety, and of course refueling that crop up as potential deal-breakers. That being said, the concept still has some legs as there are ways to work around these many of these constraints. It’s that potential that surely was propelling (oh, god) Dean Benstead, a design student at Australia’s venerable RMIT.
    Given a DiPietro air engine by the folks at Engineair, Benstead was tasked with making a viable two-wheeler that would be use a standard scuba tank as an energy storage device. Getting some help from Yamaha Australia, who donated a Yamaha WR250R to the cause, the 02 Pursuit concept is very compelling with its 140 kh/m top speed, though knowing the math involved, we’re not sure if it will replace your petrol bike anytime soon.
    My immediate mathematical concerns go to the limited “fuel” storage possible on a motorcycle’s form factor, and the potential energy density issues that accompany a compressed-air power system as a source for locomotion. Relatively speaking, a standard scuba tank holds at a maximum of .675 kWh of energy (300 bars of pressure in a 18 liter tank). When you consider that a bike like the BRD RedShift SM has 5.2 kWh of battery power on-board, a motorcycle with less than 1kWh seems less intriguing, especially with the highly-efficient systems used by electrics.
    I’ll admit I’m not as well-versed on air engines, but I can’t imagine that they run at the same efficiency levels as electric motors (typically 90+% efficient), and even if they do, having 1/5th of the on-board power is going to be extremely limiting on range. Of course larger tanks can be made, and denser air pressures can be achieved with better tanks designs. Getting to a suitable energy factor for urban use however, is going to take some serious work.
    At 18 liters, the 02 Pursuit is already equivalent to the tank size of modern ICE motorcycles, and realistically it will be very challenging to even just double the volume of air stored on such a design. This means in order to achieve figures ideal for real-world use, the gains will have to come from increased air pressure. While scuba tanks are extremely safe, when we start talking about 2x, 3x, on up to 5x the air pressure currently used for diving, the design requirements are going to be extremely challenging.
    I’ve clearly digressed from Benstead’s 02 Pursuit at this point, which is shame because the motorcycle is very well thought out design-wise. The purpose of this build was to explore the idea of air-powered motorcycles, and it does very convincingly. Perhaps the perfect pit bike at a track day, we’d ride one for sure. But as a replacement for an ICE dirt bike? I’m not convinced (though I’d ride one in a heartbeat). A bevy of build and design images are below, enjoy.



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    Re: Fucking cool: air powered dirt bike

    I thought you might be interested in this article.

    India makes an air powered car with a top speed of 68 mph and a range of 125 miles.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...oncept/4217016


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    Re: Fucking cool: air powered dirt bike

    Nice, that's better than the battery powered cars that are out now, and that shit was 4 years ago

    drives me nuts that we aren't pushing for other technology to get us around town

    oil companies probably killing everyone that comes up with good ideas
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    Re: Fucking cool: air powered dirt bike

    Engines are just air pumps, guess it makes sense--and Zero Emissions. Neat.

    As to companies eliminating competition, supposedly that happened to Meyer:
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...1_4V77MOK.html
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    Re: Fucking cool: air powered dirt bike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Engines are just air pumps, guess it makes sense--and Zero Emissions. Neat.

    As to companies eliminating competition, supposedly that happened to Meyer:
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...1_4V77MOK.html
    Heard about that. ridiculous. Would love to see someone get a hold of his research and build another
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    Re: Fucking cool: air powered dirt bike

    Quote Originally Posted by tecknojoe View Post
    Heard about that. ridiculous. Would love to see someone get a hold of his research and build another

    You'd think in this amazing world of information exchange, where you can supposedly find the designs/plans you need to construct a nuclear bomb online that someone would have posted up his blueprints or plans, or whatever--but, I guess if it was all destroyed pre-internet it may be lost forever...
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    Re: Fucking cool: air powered dirt bike

    I did some reading on it. Looks like all his shit may have been disproved. Can't really find anything that shows that mofo using the car to prove that shit worked. hmmmm
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    Re: Fucking cool: air powered dirt bike

    Quote Originally Posted by tecknojoe View Post
    I did some reading on it. Looks like all his shit may have been disproved. Can't really find anything that shows that mofo using the car to prove that shit worked. hmmmm
    There was someone else, earlier than Meyer, had a fully working water-injected car, drove it from Texas to CA or something, it was verified that it only used one tank of fuel...can't remember his name, saw it on some show about alternate fuels...found it:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vJerAkLhuY


    More on that style of carb:
    http://www.rexresearch.com/hyfuel/garrett/garrett.htm


    (Not much) More on Meyer:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ3juM6vHwg
    Last edited by Ghost; Thu Dec 22nd, 2011 at 12:57 PM.
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