Carrying a gun can make you see them.

[Snowman]

Holding a gun makes you think others are too, new research shows

“Beliefs, expectations and emotions can all influence an observer’s ability to detect and to categorize objects as guns,” Brockmole says. “Now we know that a person’s ability to act in certain ways can bias their recognition of objects as well, and in dramatic ways. It seems that people have a hard time separating their thoughts about what they perceive and their thoughts about how they can or should act.”

Could be a good example of the theory behind the Florida shooting.
Florida teen's shooting by watchman questioned

[Kim-n-Dean]

Where do they find these people?!?!? To be qualified for the study, you must have an I.Q. below 12!

Then again, the people in my CCW class were pretty scary. It was pretty obvious that some were there for the 'macho' factor!

I have never thought that another person was carrying. That includes my friends, who I know are carrying. It just becomes part of your everyday routine and you never think about it. It becomes so common place that I'm afraid some shit will go down, and when it's over, I'll remember that I have my .45.

[bulldog]

"Thus, by virtue of affording the subject the opportunity to use a gun, he or she was more likely to classify objects in a scene as a gun and, as a result, to engage in threat-induced behavior, such as raising a firearm to shoot."

[Kim-n-Dean]

"Thus, by virtue of affording the subject the opportunity to use a gun, he or she was more likely to classify objects in a scene as a gun and, as a result, to engage in threat-induced behavior, such as raising a firearm to shoot."

So, that's why cops shoot people with wallets or soda cans in their hands!

[bulldog]

So, that's why cops shoot people with wallets or soda cans in their hands!

Hey I just quoted the article

I've already learned there are way too many people on this forum for CCW permits, so no need in debating this issue. I am not against them, but wish their process for getting one was stricter. As you said people in your class were "pretty scary" so doesn't make me feel to comfortable these types are approved by the state to carry a gun.


P.S. They issued a CCW to Ashli and that girl loses her temper more than a rabid pitbull

[Kim-n-Dean]

Hey I just quoted the article

I was just saying that the article would explain why so many are shot when they have no weapon.

I've already learned there are way too many people on this forum for CCW permits, so no need in debating this issue. I am not against them, but wish their process for getting one was stricter. As you said people in your class were "pretty scary" so doesn't make me feel to comfortable these types are approved by the state to carry a gun.

I completely agree!!

P.S. They issued a CCW to Ashli and that girl loses her temper more than a rabid pitbull

She probably never actually carries, but I'm guessing she'll be too scared to pull it. Not sure if that is good or bad...

[Snowman]

Not all of us have stopped swinging from trees Dean. I'm sure people that become really familiar with guns understand the real number of people carrying them and not see them everywhere. However this study would indicate they are in a minority. This would mean a level of education might be in order so someone like this guy who shot a kid with a bag of skittles wasn't a real threat to him.

[laspariahs]

Not all of us have stopped swinging from trees Dean. I'm sure people that become really familiar with guns understand the real number of people carrying them and not see them everywhere. However this study would indicate they are in a minority. This would mean a level of education might be in order so someone like this guy who shot a kid with a bag of skittles wasn't a real threat to him.

After being told to stand down by the police.

[Snowman]

After being told to stand down by the police.

I'm seeing no police at the scene when the kid was shot...


Zimmerman, 28, called police around nightfall on February 26 to report a suspicious man in his neighborhood.

"Something's wrong with him. Yep. He's coming to check me out," Zimmerman told a police dispatcher in a 911 call released Monday. "He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is. Send officers over here."

The teen started to run, Zimmerman reported. When he said he was following, the dispatcher told him, "We don't need you to do that."

Shortly afterward, neighbors began calling 911 to report a fight, then a gunshot. By the time police arrived, Trayvon lay dead. He was carrying a bag of Skittles and an iced tea that he had purchased at a nearby convenience store, and was headed back to his father's fiancee's home.

Martin said he's "positive" that his son's voice that can be heard screaming for help in the neighbors' calls.

"It's heartwrenching, because those actually were my son's last words," he said. "And to hear his last words being cries of help, is devastating. It tears me apart as a father."

[rforsythe]

"It's heartwrenching, because those actually were my son's last words," he said. "And to hear his last words being cries of help, is devastating. It tears me apart as a father."

If it were my kid, that guy would really be needing his CCW shortly thereafter...

[laspariahs]

I'm seeing no police at the scene when the kid was shot...


Zimmerman, 28, called police around nightfall on February 26 to report a suspicious man in his neighborhood.

"Something's wrong with him. Yep. He's coming to check me out," Zimmerman told a police dispatcher in a 911 call released Monday. "He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is. Send officers over here."

The teen started to run, Zimmerman reported. When he said he was following, the dispatcher told him, "We don't need you to do that."

Shortly afterward, neighbors began calling 911 to report a fight, then a gunshot. By the time police arrived, Trayvon lay dead. He was carrying a bag of Skittles and an iced tea that he had purchased at a nearby convenience store, and was headed back to his father's fiancee's home.

Martin said he's "positive" that his son's voice that can be heard screaming for help in the neighbors' calls.

"It's heartwrenching, because those actually were my son's last words," he said. "And to hear his last words being cries of help, is devastating. It tears me apart as a father."

According to what I heard on CNN the cops told him on the phone to stand down.

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

According to what I heard on CNN the cops told him on the phone to stand down.

"That is a call taker making a recommendation to him. He's not under a legal obligation to do that, so that is not something we can charge him with. But it would have been a good outcome if those -- if Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman never came in contact with one another."

Unfortunately only 2 people know what really happened that night, and one of them is in no position to testify. Of course the black community is automatically going to want to lynch the guy because he's white, before anyone even finds out what really happened.

[Kim-n-Dean]

Not all of us have stopped swinging from trees Dean. I'm sure people that become really familiar with guns understand the real number of people carrying them and not see them everywhere. However this study would indicate they are in a minority. This would mean a level of education might be in order so someone like this guy who shot a kid with a bag of skittles wasn't a real threat to him.

They should add mental evaluations to obtaining CCW permits. Zimmerman is a perfect example. This asshole had the whole neighborhood thinking he was a "cop wannabe". This dick head confronted many of his neighbors for no reason. Even with a CCW, you're not supposed to be armed when "patrolling" the neighborhood as a watch captain.

I would also add that self defense doesn't apply when the cops (911) told you to stay in your car. This guy needs to be fried!!

[Snowman]

xen·o·pho·bi·a: -noun
Defined as "an unreasonable fear of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."[1]

Exhibit 1:

Coming from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner" and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear."[2]

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

xen·o·pho·bi·a: -noun
Defined as "an unreasonable fear of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."[1]

Exhibit 1:

Coming from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner" and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear."[2]

Sorry, did you say something? I can't hear you over the sound of my nutz on your chin......

[Kim-n-Dean]

Sorry, did you say something? I can't hear you over the sound of my nutz on your chin......

...and just what sound do nutz on a chin make? When Kim rubs her balls on my chin, it's actually pretty quite. Unless I haven't shaved. Then it's just kind of a grissly sound...

[RajunCajun]

So you guys really mean to tell me that you've NEVER seen a "concealed" weapon "printing"??? You'd have to be blind not to see that on occasion. The thing is, if you aren’t conscious of others carrying, and don’t know what to look for on yourself to make sure you aren’t “printing”, then you probably won’t notice on others. It’s like when you are in the market for a particular vehicle, you all of a sudden notice tons of them on the road,,, where you didn’t before.

And people can talk about the “crazy looking guys” in the concealed weapons training classes,,, I’ve been to a couple and seen a few of those. More so, I’ve seen young women and soccer moms, and guys like me (hopefully not one of the “crazy” looking ones

[Snowman]

So you guys really mean to tell me that you've NEVER seen a "concealed" weapon "printing"??? You'd have to be blind not to see that on occasion. The thing is, if you aren’t conscious of others carrying, and don’t know what to look for on yourself to make sure you aren’t “printing”, then you probably won’t notice on others. It’s like when you are in the market for a particular vehicle, you all of a sudden notice tons of them on the road,,, where you didn’t before.

[/COLOR]

I have never noticed anyone wearing a concealed weapon. Mostly because it never crosses my mind. Most of the time I never even notice cops with guns in their holsters.

It's never been an issue with me ether way, which is the reason I don't see them. You however seem to be seeing them everywhere. Are you completely sure you are seeing what you are seeing? I mean how can you really tell what they have concealed unless they show it to you?

^^ Chrome Spell Checker

And we should add Frank's picture next to the Homophobia definition too..

[CBR-Cowboy]

It’s like when you are in the market for a particular vehicle, you all of a sudden notice tons of them on the road,,, where you didn’t before.

+1

[CYCLE_MONKEY]

...and just what sound do nutz on a chin make? When Kim rubs her balls on my chin, it's actually pretty quite. Unless I haven't shaved. Then it's just kind of a grissly sound...

....it sounds remarkably similar to Snowman's normal speaking voice, so it's hard to tell the 2 apart.....

[~Barn~]

Just kinda catching up on this item in the news. Obviously the full story of what went down is going to be debatable to some degree, but I think Mr. Shooter's 911 call is going to eventually be his undoing in a court of law. It's very tragic that one young man lost is life, and the other made a decision that is forever going to alter his, no matter what the outcome.

And mixed into this tragedy coincidentally (and ironicaly) is a bit of Florida law - introduced by Jeb Bush no less - that may serve to only complicate situations like this, where that which is only perceived (or worseover fabricated) self-defense can be blurred with a genuine claim of self-defense, to attempt to defend ones innocence. Crazy, fucked-up, world we live in...

[~Barn~]

I hate chuckling in the shadow of such a horrible story, but god bless some of the people on this forum and their comments, for reminding me how thankful and fortunate I am, for not having an adult life that reads like one perpetual "score to settle" with their fellow man. What an unrelenting burden that must be.

[stubbicatt]

I hate chuckling in the shadow of such a horrible story, but god bless some of the people on this forum and their comments, for reminding me how thankful and fortunate I am, for not having an adult life that reads like one perpetual "score to settle" with their fellow man. What an unrelenting burden that must be.

+1

This is a travesty. I can say with some degree of certaintly, knowing people who are described as is the shooter, that I would have an uneasy feeling around him, and very little respect. I suspect that the decedent either knew of him by reputation, or from first hand experience, and probably shot him the stink eye, as I would be wont to do to a person described to be as the shooter is. Perhaps words ensued. Maybe a gesture or two.

All of which would be enough to set off an individual who takes it upon himself to exercise authority over others to which he does not have a legitimate claim.

Now that poor boy is dead.

[Kim-n-Dean]

I hate chuckling in the shadow of such a horrible story, but god bless some of the people on this forum and their comments, for reminding me how thankful and fortunate I am, for not having an adult life that reads like one perpetual "score to settle" with their fellow man. What an unrelenting burden that must be.

What's funny to me. And, it applies to every thread, is the atrocious writing. Not necessarily content, but structure, spelling and punctuation. To, too, two; there, their, they're; weather, whether, etc. Fucking hilarious!! I'm not trying to say that I write very well, but I at least try to appear like I know the English language...