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    +1 it's not just about FB. It's allowing the electronic stalking of your life. (.. or allowing MORE stalking)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    Well on the flip side a employeer doesn't have to hire you if they don't want to. If people think their FB is more important than a job, then go with it and give them your

    I'll be the guy that takes YOUR job since I don't have a FB
    So, you'd be ok with a prospective employer having access to your bank account, credit cards, and email?

    They'll want account numbers and passwords, plus the ability to install keylogger software on your home computer, and access to your voicemail and texts. Also a GPS tracker on your ankle so that they know if you spend time in bars or visit any "questionable" establishments. All of this BEFORE they decide whether or not to hire you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penadam View Post
    Facebook isn't the issue here, it's simply a symptom of the erosion of privacy rights. Just like there are laws already in place to protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender, health, marital status, race, etc... Would you like to be discriminated against because of personal choices you made, like having a family, or for some medical condition outside your control? Employment is me exchanging services with a company in return for money. It doesn't give them the right to control or dictate things unrelated to the services I offer.
    Cool, explain that in the job interview and see how far it gets you then

    Why do people think life is fair! Breaking news: IT IS NOT!

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    So, you'd be ok with a prospective employer having access to your bank account, credit cards, and email?

    They'll want account numbers and passwords, plus the ability to install keylogger software on your home computer, and access to your voicemail and texts. Also a GPS tracker on your ankle so that they know if you spend time in bars or visit any "questionable" establishments. All of this BEFORE they decide whether or not to hire you.
    Maybe...if I needed the job bad enough. All that stuff is pointless without money! Although that is a bit far fetched when compared to a lame social networking site password....especially when you can easily create a dummy one.

    I am just saying, just like we don't have to ride motorcycles, you do not have to have a FB account. I don't agree with it, but there are many things in life I have to deal with that I don't agree with.

    P.S. Didn't we already have this same thread.....people care about FB nowadays way too much! More people need to get off their asses and maybe work on their fitness since that actually matters in life!
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    Prospective employer: Sir, we need your password to your Facebook Account and to your private email account before we can hire you.

    N_N: Certainly! It is written down on a piece of paper in this envelope!

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    Self employed = problem solved.

    Well.. least until clients / customers start asking for FB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    Cool, explain that in the job interview and see how far it gets you then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Missing the point x 1,000,000
    Probably, but a bunch of grown men bitching about their FB account is funny to me.

    Yes I get it is about privacy, but it is a right to work at a place not a priveledge...you can always walk away and be self employed like asp_125.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    Cool, explain that in the job interview and see how far it gets you then

    Why do people think life is fair! Breaking news: IT IS NOT!

    Maybe...if I needed the job bad enough. All that stuff is pointless without money! Although that is a bit far fetched when compared to a lame social networking site password....especially when you can easily create a dummy one.

    I am just saying, just like we don't have to ride motorcycles, you do not have to have a FB account. I don't agree with it, but there are many things in life I have to deal with that I don't agree with.

    P.S. Didn't we already have this same thread.....people care about FB nowadays way too much! More people need to get off their asses and maybe work on their fitness since that actually matters in life!
    I wouldn't care how far it got me, I wouldn't work for a company that crapped all over it's employees like that. If that's how they treat people they want to work for them, how do you imagine they treat their employees.

    Life may not be fair, but anti-discrimination and privacy laws exist to make it a little fairer. I wouldn't say it's at all far fetched compared to your bank account. It's information you want to keep private that they want, just like access to your bank account. It doesn't matter what the information is, it's the fact that I don't want other people knowing it that's important.

    There actually was a recent court case regarding computer passwords.

    https://www.eff.org/cases/us-v-fricosu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penadam View Post
    I wouldn't care how far it got me, I wouldn't work for a company that crapped all over it's employees like that. If that's how they treat people they want to work for them, how do you imagine they treat their employees.
    Cool, sad thing is, with this economy there will be ten people behind you that would and get the job. Hopefully your beliefs will not result in you and your family homeless...



    If someone is not smart enough to create a fake account for this reason, maybe they are not smart enough to get the job. It's so simple!!!!!

    Hell I'd use it to my advantage and have charity groups, slogans on hard working, lovely pictures of my beloved mom, dog/cat shelter rescue adotions, etc! Only idiots are effected by this if they can't see the easy way around it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    Probably, but a bunch of grown men bitching about their FB account is funny to me.

    Yes I get it is about privacy, but it is a right to work at a place not a priveledge...you can always walk away and be self employed like asp_125.
    By that logic you also then feel laws preventing discrimination against potential employees are useless, and people who get screwed because of their skin color, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, etc should just go fuck themselves and become self employed? Right? That's what you're saying. That's the kind of stuff someone is going to learn about you from your FB profile. I get that employers want to catch a screw-up before it's too late, but the method is egregiously flawed.

    The right to a fair shake at a job IS A RIGHT. It's legally guaranteed. If you're an idiot and can't get hired that's on you, but you should not lose your shot just because someone doesn't like what you are. Employment and advancement opportunity should be based on normal things like merit, work ethic, and size of boobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    If someone is not smart enough to create a fake account for this reason, maybe they are not smart enough to get the job. It's so simple!!!!!
    So in order to get a real shot at a job, people should have to create fraudulent identities just to deceive an employer? What you see as smart, I see as "grounds for termination when the employer finds out".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rforsythe View Post
    By that logic you also then feel laws preventing discrimination against potential employees are useless, and people who get screwed because of their skin color, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, etc should just go fuck themselves and become self employed? Right? That's what you're saying. That's the kind of stuff someone is going to learn about you from your FB profile. I get that employers want to catch a screw-up before it's too late, but the method is egregiously flawed.

    The right to a fair shake at a job IS A RIGHT. It's legally guaranteed. If you're an idiot and can't get hired that's on you, but you should not lose your shot just because someone doesn't like what you are. Employment and advancement opportunity should be based on normal things like merit, work ethic, and size of boobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rforsythe View Post
    So in order to get a real shot at a job, people should have to create fraudulent identities just to deceive an employer? What you see as smart, I see as "grounds for termination when the employer finds out".


    Oh yeah, and did they specify ALL FB accounts? If not then it is not lying, you gave them one, but they never asked for others
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    What is at stake here is the right to have a life separate from your work. Employers are slowly but surely taking control of their employee's entire life, whether they are paying them for that "off" time or not. What happens when your employer decides that your riding of motorcycles, not during working hours, or even as transportation to or from work, reflects badly on the image of the company, and fires you for it? Or that because someone saw you drinking a beer after work that you are not "morally fit" to retain your employment? In Colorado, they can fire you for any of these reasons, or none at all.

    In addition, most employers do not use adequate security measures to protect against loss of this type of data. I'm not planning on ever being in the position of applying for outside employment again (self employed for over 15 years), but I would NEVER hand over passwords that could facilitate identity theft to a prospective employer, even if they could prove to me that they had data security provisions in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    Probably, but a bunch of grown men bitching about their FB account is funny to me.

    Yes I get it is about privacy, but it is a right to work at a place not a priveledge...you can always walk away and be self employed like asp_125.
    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    Cool, sad thing is, with this economy there will be ten people behind you that would and get the job. Hopefully your beliefs will not result in you and your family homeless...



    If someone is not smart enough to create a fake account for this reason, maybe they are not smart enough to get the job. It's so simple!!!!!

    Hell I'd use it to my advantage and have charity groups, slogans on hard working, lovely pictures of my beloved mom, dog/cat shelter rescue adotions, etc! Only idiots are effected by this if they can't see the easy way around it!
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    If I owned a company, I wouldn't hire anyone who would willing provide their password. If they're willing to give away their own secrets, how could I trust them to protect the companies? Additionally, as Ralph mentioned, lying to an employer during the hiring process is grounds for termination.

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    Exatly how I feel when I see your slogan under your name "Jenny's Pet Monkey"

    P.S. Are people missing where I said I do not think it is fair either!!!!!
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    We GET that it's not fair. But lubing up and bending over for the corporation isn't the solution either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
    P.S. Are people missing where I said I do not think it is fair either!!!!!
    Apparently we are, yes. You think it's unfair, but appropriate to do an end-run around anti-discrimination employment laws?

    I don't see what life being fair has to do with this either. It isn't about that. It's about preventing the kind of rampant abuse that caused those laws to be made in the first place. Our country is pretty famous for fucking over different people, as it happens.
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    Well guys stop bitching about it on a forum then and do something productive about it then...not sure what else to say

    I've learned to take it from corporations most of my life since that is where I work and wish I could changed things, but I just bend over to keep my job. I could make a list pages long of how I don't like how corporations are run or how they treat their employees...including illegal things I see. I am not independently wealthy though, so my ass has been hurting for a long time



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    Quote Originally Posted by rforsythe View Post
    By that logic you also then feel laws preventing discrimination against potential employees are useless, and people who get screwed because of their skin color, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, etc should just go fuck themselves and become self employed? Right? That's what you're saying. That's the kind of stuff someone is going to learn about you from your FB profile. I get that employers want to catch a screw-up before it's too late, but the method is egregiously flawed.

    The right to a fair shake at a job IS A RIGHT. It's legally guaranteed. If you're an idiot and can't get hired that's on you, but you should not lose your shot just because someone doesn't like what you are. Employment and advancement opportunity should be based on normal things like merit, work ethic, and size of boobs.
    Can't you 2 hispani-tinos just get along? Sheesh......

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    personally ,, access to your fb should be granted to a company,, only after 90 days of hire, for review purposes .. you then have the job and hopefully nothing on your prelim record .. and you then have plenty of opportunity to build one that's suitable..
    however .. you shouldn't have to ..
    it is discrimination both for and against you.. like in the article ..

    it references an individual in charge's personal judgement over what is wrong and right over someone else's ideas and value.. subsiding corporate standards used traditionally to hire an individual ..

    essentially this claws at the companies overall global view and social position and it's affiliations ..

    whether you directly choose to associate yourself with all of it's views or not is 99 percent irrelevant..
    you want to surpass the economy by working,pay your past bills off
    being wiling to provide a credit report.. also affects you financially..
    anytime a credit report is pulled ,, affects your ability to acquire additional credit and loans ,, therefor a potential employer who does pull your credit report and does not hire you , has negatively affect your income potential , which without your direct permission, puts you in a lessened standard again over that someone who has had different or better opportunities in their life, (parents had money, and paid all that persons bills including college )
    let me repeat ,, without your permission
    if you do say no,, their own corporate policy dictates that you be removed to a different category of candidates,, this category is normally not reviewed further,, by it's definition.. candidates are determined to be uncooperative and therefor, not what the company is looking for

    as soon we as potential employees will come up with an agreement,
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYCLE_MONKEY View Post
    Can't you 2 hispani-tinos just get along? Sheesh......
    WTF...Ralph is Hispanic...new news to me

    Hmmmm...still only 49 signatures on that petition. Safe to say we all like to bitch more than take action
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