http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...161745869.html
This about sums it up under the ObaMao admin:
""It seems to me the federal government just doesn't want to know who's here illegally or not," Chief Justice John Roberts said."
Of course not, they're not illegal aliens, they're undocumented Democrats!
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And what exactly did Bush II do to stop the flow?Originally Posted by CYCLE_MONKEY
What did Clinton do to stop the flow?
What did Bush I do to stop the flow?
What did the oh so revered Reagan do to stop the flow?
Nobody has done SHIT in the last 30+ years that is legitimate or viable. Get over it being all about Obama Frank. You're pathetically obsessive at this point. These are policies that have been in place (politically speaking) forever!
They all talk their games... and nobody does a damn thing... and to be honest I doubt anyone will until a blatant act of terrorism or even "invasion" en masse by a cartel or some such event can be tied directly to porous borders and lack of security.
Not one damn politician has the balls to call out the NG or to actually put up a wall or give the shoot-to-kill order.
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Because the illegals are here doing work that no one else will do for what they're paid.
Corporate farms and other businesses rely upon them for cheap labor--if there were no illegals doing it then costs would increase.
The Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want the sympathy votes, there's no one who would benefit politically, so we'll never see any real movement or action.
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Weird to me that Arizona was having issues with the illegals, decided to do something about it and the rest of the country got involved. What the hell does anyone living in New York know about the problems in Arizona? If that same person saying "this is a travesty" lived in Arizona and was faced with the same problems wouldnt they want their government to do something about it?
The Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want the sympathy votes, there's no one who would benefit politically, so we'll never see any real movement or action.
Exactly !
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What exactly is wrong with (legal or illegal) immigration?
They don't displace American workers. On the contrary, they supply cheap labor that is absolutely vital to keeping the cost of living down.
From 1970 until now, wages have been on increasing, adjusted for inflation, so the argument that the increase of supply labor has been reducing wages is invalid.
Immigrants typically have a lower education level and thus compete with themselves MUCH more than other non-immigrants.
They, more often than not, choose professions different than the average American worker because that is what is available to them, thus they are not displacing American workers.
Even on the high end, immigrant labor is brought in from outside countries because their American equivalent cannot be found within the country, and are often paid like-wages for their work and thus not suppressing wages.
It is more damaging to our country to spend exponentially more wasted hours thinking (and spending) about how to curb immigration as opposed to figuring out how to harness it for our own socioeconomic advancement.
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Hoooold the horses... Bush, Clinton, Bush and anyone else never stepped in and GAVE illegals/un-documented rights! On top of that these numbers have been growing and growing and growing because of the lack of regulation from past presidents. Immigration is at an all time high and gets higher every day. No way you can tell me something doesnt need to be done about it. NOW IS THE TIME and Obama hasnt done sheit about it.
This is a progressive problem that gets worse every year, to say that any president should have done something is fairly irrelevant if there was not a problem at that time. If you have not been to the parts of Arizona that are most heavily effected then even you do not know how bad things are, but things ARE bad and the residents of these towns are having a lot of issues because there are soo many people coming and ruining everything. Crime rates from these people are through the roofs and in general Americans do not feel safe even in their own homes.
Obama stepped in and stopped the aggressive attempt to tackle these problems because they were "not fair". Not fair? WTF? Not fair to who? People that dont live here? Bullshit. Its not fair to the people that DO live here, plain and simple.
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Nothing wrong with legal immigration. Lots wrong illegal immigration.
AZ doesn't mind hard working illegals. Sheriff Joe gave this Immigration Bill bad name , because he would raid factories, restaurants, hotels. Why he didn't sweep the streets ? Because its against the law for a cop to ask someone if they are here legally.
WTF ?
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Yeah fuck cops for doing their jobs!
Go on...
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Um...not quite:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...143325289.html
Mexican migration into the United States has come to a standstill and may soon reverse, according to a report by the Pew Hispanic Center. This marks a dramatic change in the wave of Mexican migration that brought 12 million people to America over four decades.
About 1.4 million Mexicans immigrated to the United States between 2005 and 2010, which is roughly the same number of Mexicans who left over the same period.
The number of illegal immigrants from Mexico dropped from 7 million in 2007, a peak, to 6.1 million in 2011. The report attributes the drop to the drastic decline in birthrates in Mexico, the increasingly dangerous passage across the border, and the flagging American economy.
A higher percentage of deported migrants now say in surveys that they will not attempt to come back into the United States (compared to 10 years ago).
The United States' estimated 12 million Mexican immigrants represent the largest chunk of immigrants in any country in the world. Mexico has sent more immigrants to the States over the past four decades than any other nation.
According to the Mexican census, 500,000 U.S. citizen children were living in Mexico in 2010, compared to 240,000 10 years earlier. Government data doesn't say how many of those children left the United States because their parents were deported.
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You dont have a problem with people living in America and America doesnt know who they are?
The problem is that illegal immigrants are taking from society without giving anything in return. Health care, education, and other areas of public service. Illegals aren’t paying for these things, yet they are receiving them. Most dont pay taxes.
llegals are being treated at a cost of nearly $500 million dollars a year. The cost alone to our Criminal Justice system for the 25 percent of the illegals that up the jail population exceeds 550 million dollars a year. Additionally, illegals collect over $260million in Government payments and $360 million in food stamp allocations These costs alone exceed one billion dollars annually – excluding the cost of education. AND THIS IS IN JUST ONE COUNTY!!!!!!
Just because there are a few positive angles to take with immigration, dont even think for a second that the cons far outweigh the pros.
No one is saying "dont let them in" but anyone with a brain knows they need to at least be on the books, paying taxes and their part.
Just to argue counterpoint for a sec... Let's say they were all accounted for, paying taxes, and "being legit". The wages they make might go up, and the cost their employer passes on to everyone else certainly would. Is the cost of living increase on items you obtain with the aid of illegal labor less than the financial burden they place on the system, which our taxes pay for?
No political stance here, I am just curious how the math would play out. Would it actually benefit us financially if they were playing ball by the same rules, or are we better off in the wallet by letting it slide?
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I wouldnt be so sure of the numbers... Remember we are talking about people that are... UNdocumented.
I see your point, or at least the point of this one article, but a decrease of 900,000 in four years can also be swayed by advancements in trafficking and false documentation. Honestly I can see 225,000 immigrants a year getting better at the process and blending in better. Who know. No one does.
So you are saying that we should cut a few corners and save a few bucks?
At least if they were paying into the system it would be a completion of the circle. You pay in and receive the benefits instead of you dont pay in and you receive the benefits.
Anecdotal evidence would suggest that there's more profit this way or else it would have been changed by now--unless, of course, it would benefit the country (writ large) to have them paying taxes, but the offset in increased costs to the corporations keep them lobbying against such a change (corporate profits before collective/American good).
I'm not sure you'll find hard numbers in such a contested issue, but if you do I'd be curious to see how it played out.
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Maybe not enough to satisfy the far-right who want to deport every illegal without rhyme or reason, then put up a ridiculous giant wall with gun turrets, which sounds cool if you're a 12yr old who only looks at it as a black/white issue without a reasonable solution.
BUT, I wouldn't actually say Obama has done nothing:
Following claims verified by Politifact.com:
These two things and other reasons have resulted in a huge slowdown in immigration, and an increase in illegals leaving:In a speech on immigration reform in El Paso, Texas, President Barack Obama boasted about an unprecedented number of border security agents along the U.S. border with Mexico, but he said critics probably still won't be satisfied.
"Under Secretary Napolitano’s leadership, we have strengthened border security beyond what many believed was possible," Obama said in his May 10, 2011, speech. "They wanted more agents on the border. Well, we now have more boots on the ground on the southwest border than at any time in our history. The Border Patrol has 20,000 agents –- more than twice as many as there were in 2004, a buildup that began under President Bush and that we have continued."
Obama said that commitment is beyond what was requested by some Republicans "who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement."
"I suspect there will be those who will try to move the goal posts one more time," Obama said. "They’ll say we need to triple the border patrol. Or quadruple the border patrol."
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...ill/?hpt=hp_c2
(Text and graphs with figures are quoted in Ghost's post #14 above)
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This was kind of what I was hinting at. Unfortunately I don't have the time right now to run all the numbers and look up everything on the interwebs, but the Immigration and Customs Enforcement deputy director Kumar Kibble put the cost of deportation in 2010 alone at $5b for 393k immigrants, or over $12.5k per person.
http://blog.chron.com/immigration/20...gal-immigrant/
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All of everything I was talking about was in reference to the original post and Arizona.
I know what Obama has done as a whole but the issue at hand here and what I was talking about is Arizona. Not the country.
This is just one angle. Crunch numbers all you want but do it on both sides.
It would not be hard at all to find out how much they are shorting things and how much they would be contributing IF they contributed.
Ah cool. I kinda just skimmed this thread, reading some parts of it, seems to jump around a bit.
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