Question for you gun nuts

[Filo]

OK, so I am not one of the pro gun lobby. Neither am I anti gun. I have shot guns, I may own a gun or two, I have nothing against them really. However, I have noticed some of you on here are very, very pro gun. You think you MUST have a gun to defend your self and the government ABSOLUTELY is trying to take it away. I tend to shy away from absolutes myself and think that unless you have a job that requires concealed carry (money transfer, repo, that sort of thing) that you don't NEED a gun with you at all times.

Case in point: who the hell needs to keep their gun with them when they mow their lawn? What, has C-springs become so ghetto that someone will jump you while you cut grass and you need to defend yourself with a gun? Moron.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_20...ing?source=rss


COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.—A Colorado Springs man is recovering after he dropped his gun and it went off while he was mowing his lawn. Police say the man had a loaded handgun in his pocket on Sunday when it fell out, struck the sidewalk and discharged. The bullet hit the victim's lower leg.

Read more: Man shot after dropping gun while mowing - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_20...#ixzz1vW4Y5kZa
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[TinkerinWstuff]

many people put it on at the beginning of the day like underwear and take it off at the end. It's not about evaluating your activity to take it on and off several times a day.

Didn't read the specifics of your article, just answering the question in general.

[Rhino]

The short answer is "It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it".

Try watching the I.D. or Biography network sometimes. They had one this weekend where a male firefighter and female cop were starting to date. They were at his mother's house with his mother, aunt, female cousin, and her 2 kids.

He was walking her out to her car and she put her gun and bullet proof vest away. They're on the sidewalk in front of their house when they're accosted by 2 urban yutes with guns(if Obama had 2 sons, they'd look like these guys). As it played out, they terrorized the family. Made the cousin, just home from the hospital, carry this huge tv downstairs. It wouldn't be worth $50 at a pawn shop.

They got the family together and the cop figured they were all about to executed. She charged one guy and they started shooting. Cousin died, guy had bullet lodged in his throat at his spine, cop shot in chest 5 times. She ended up not being able to return to the force.

The whole time, the cop was just saying to herself "how do I get to my gun".

[Filo]

Try watching the I.D. or Biography network sometimes.

I don't watch TV. I don't find it adds anything to my life and it gives me a skewed view of reality. It goes way back to like 1999 when I was watching the news and they were going on breathlessly and panicky about this huge meningitis outbreak in Denver. Turns out it was 2 cases, unrelated, one bacterial one viral. I thought "what tosh" and changed the channel. It was COPS. I cancelled my cable subscription the next day and haven't had it since. TV exists to sell advertising. They tell stories that make you outraged or scared or anxious. I don't need that in my life, so I don't watch it. Sorry.

I am 43. I have lived in good and bad neighborhoods. I have been in riots. I have had a gun pointed at me twice in anger. I have been robbed once. I have never felt like having a gun at those times would have been a good thing. I try not to live in fear of what may be.

[TinkerinWstuff]

this thread is starting to sound like being baited into a gun debate....

[Filo]

this thread is starting to sound like being baited into a gun debate....

Nope, not by me, although I can see your point re-reading it. As I said, I have owned guns and may even currently own them (I tend not to advertise my gun status on public websites).

I just think it is ironic - the man presumable was worried for his safety, so he carries a gun which he shoots him self with. Who keeps a concealed carry in his pocket instead of in a holster? edit - it seems Ghosty beat me to the irony.


And Zach - I told you I am old - what is ITT? Also, I think you would have to lump me in with the Libertarians, not a liberal...

[Zach929rr]

Also, I think you would have to lump me in with the Libertarians, not a liberal...

Sorry, I must have been mislead by your (purposeful?) choice of the phrase "gun nut".

[TinkerinWstuff]

Sorry, I must have been mislead by your (purposeful?) choice of the phrase "gun nut".

shot and score

[Filo]

shot and score

I played right defense. And I played for Edmonton. Other than that...

[Filo]

Sorry, I must have been mislead by your (purposeful?) choice of the phrase "gun nut".

Back on point - man carries gun for personal safety; shoots self in leg mowing lawn - irony.

[TinkerinWstuff]

Back on point - man carries gun for personal safety; shoots self in leg mowing lawn - irony.

Man killed by airbag designed to save his life - irony

http://www.icarumba.com/cobrands/con...baghazards.asp

[Rhino]

I don't watch TV.

Do you go to grocery stores? Guy walks in, buys a knife, goes to the entryway and stabs 2 random people. Stopped by a guy with a CCW.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed-ca...-knife-attack/

Also, I think you would have to lump me in with the Libertarians, not a liberal...

Nice try, but no. You're on the "I've never felt the need for one so why should you" kick. A Libertarian doesn't care what you do as long as it doesn't hurt them or others in any way.

In the 6+ years of having my CCW, I've never needed it. Doesn't mean I didn't put on my G30 today.

[Filo]

For all who are accusing me of ... whatever. I don't care if you want to concealed carry. I don't want to stop you or take your guns. I realize the world is dangerous and it may come in handy. I don't feel the need to carry one, but if you do so be it. I just thought it was ironic he shot himself with his own gun. Just like the airbag story. Anything else you say about me and my political views (of which a small minority know - and no one in this thread) is just your opinion however misinformed it may be.


Oh and Rhino - go back and re-read slower. I said I don't feel the need to carry. I didn't say anything about you or anyone else in this thread carrying. I am libertarian - I don't care what you do as long as it doesn't affect me. Stop trying to lump me into something I am not to prove a counterpoint to a point that I didn't make. I actually even considered a CCW a few years back for my own reasons.

[Zach929rr]

ITT liberal sneakily attempts to poorly bait conservatives into a gun debate.

[Ghosty]

Mowing the lawn, lol. If that round hit a playing kid in the neighborhood and killed him/her, this guy would need to spend life in prison, I think.

IMHO if you have a CCW and you live in a neighborhood that is really that rough (ghetto Springs, haha), and you're that much of a paranoid yokel in the middle of the daytime in your neighborhood, then effing strap it in a holster, not your pocket, DUMBASS! Lemme guess, you have some loose shorts, bent over to change your grass bag, and plop, bang! Unfortunately these are the types that give the 2nd-Amend opposition more fuel.

P.S. I'm an NRA member, gun owner, pro guns but not a "gun nut", pro 2nd-Amend, BUT USE COMMON SENSE, AND PROPERLY & THOROUGHLY ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS. Don't create useless new ones (DC, Chicago, etc. handgun bans, etc.)

ITT liberal.

What's "ITT"?

[TinkerinWstuff]

What's "ITT"?

In This Thread

http://www.internetslang.com/ITT-meaning-definition.asp

[Ghosty]

In This Thread

Thx. At first I was like, "ITT Technical Institute is mostly Liberals?"

[TinkerinWstuff]

and so the answer to the question is this (and as already said by Rhino);

Can't speak specifically for the guy in question as I don't know him. However, the idea is that if we could predict when and where crime would happen, we could call the cops ahead of time and wouldn't need guns right? Most people I know don't pick and chose what activity they will have their gun on them for. They put it on on the morning and take it off at night. The more you handle the firearm, the more opportunity there is for a negligent discharge.

Chances are, this guy did not say to himself, "I'm going to mow the lawn, where's my gun?" He just put it on and went about his daily business.

As for pocket carry, there are pocket holsters. Without more information, it wouldn't be appropriate to pass judgment on the man. Guns should not discharge from being dropped whether it's in a holster or not. So the issue could be a potential manufacturers defect.

[Ghosty]

Without more information, it wouldn't be appropriate to pass judgment on the man. Guns should not discharge from being dropped whether it's in a holster or not. So the issue could be a potential manufacturers defect.

Good points, both...

[derekm]

Its like car insurance... I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it...

[TFOGGuys]

I clip a box knife into my pocket every morning, almost without thinking about it. If you do something consistently, you'll become more comfortable and competent with it. Same goes for a firearm. Soon, it becomes another tool that you take with you, much like a cell phone or pocket knife. You never take it for granted, or lose respect for its capabilities, but you definitely notice it missing when you don't have it for some reason. It may seem silly to carry around the house, but 100% of home invasions occur at home.

ETA: The guy in the article cited above was obviously carrying in an unsafe manner, either the gun was not designed to be carried with one in the chamber (many inexpensive .25s are like that), or the gun was defective in some way, as most weapons have a passive firing pin safety that prevents the firing pin from contacting the cartridge unless the trigger is pulled to the rear. Notable exceptions would be older single action revolvers and pre Series 80 Colt 1911s.

[puckstr]

I clip a box knife into my pocket every morning, almost without thinking about it. If you do something consistently, you'll become more comfortable and competent with it. Same goes for a firearm. Soon, it becomes another tool that you take with you, much like a cell phone or pocket knife. You never take it for granted, or lose respect for its capabilities, but you definitely notice it missing when you don't have it for some reason. It may seem silly to carry around the house, but 100% of home invasions occur at home.

ETA: The guy in the article cited above was obviously carrying in an unsafe manner, either the gun was not designed to be carried with one in the chamber (many inexpensive .25s are like that), or the gun was defective in some way, as most weapons have a passive firing pin safety that prevents the firing pin from contacting the cartridge unless the trigger is pulled to the rear. Notable exceptions would be older single action revolvers and pre Series 80 Colt 1911s.

Agreed

[Zanatos]

The moral of the story here is: If you're going to carry a gun while doing yard work - make sure you keep it in a proper holster - not loose in your pocket.

Didn't this dude learn anything when Plaxico Burress almost shot his dick off when he went to a club with a gun tucked int he waistband of his sweatpants?

[TinkerinWstuff]

The moral of the story here is: If you're going to carry a gun while doing yard work - make sure you keep it in a proper holster - not loose in your pocket.

Didn't this dude learn anything when Plaxico Burress almost shot his dick off when he went to a club with a gun tucked int he waistband of his sweatpants?

Was there new information released stating it was loose in his pocket and not in a pocket holster?