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    Good song, but think this system is already broken.
    Already over? Song by red? Great song.

    Lol tell me more about tracking. How do they track the said smart phones??

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    http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/13598
    Billions of Tax Dollars for Drones While Kids Starve and Cities Go Broke

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    A PBS disturbing report aired the other night about families in the state of Nevada that lost their jobs and homes. The children of these families were pocketing free ketchup packages from their school lunches because they're hungry at night. In this state alone, there are thousands of parents with children in this situation. Beyond Nevada, millions of families have fallen into despair and poverty. It is embarrassingly shameful, and worse, it's unnecessary. These economic problems could be solved if it weren't for the out-of-control defense spending over the last decade. Entitlements such as health care and social security are not draining the country; it's the U.S. war economy that has left large segments of our society impoverished. Nevada's unemployment rate is 11 percent, and that's a conservative figure. Prior to losing their jobs, the majority of these families owned middle-class homes and held decent paying jobs. Now they can't afford to feed their children and they must rely on private charities to get by.

    Once upon a time, Hillary Clinton wrote a book called It Takes a Village. The central theme of the book was about improving children's lives. It's a shame that the pragmatic ideas from her book were never implemented.

    Instead, President Obama and his Defense and State Secretaries' Leon Panetta and Hillary Clinton have increased the wealth of weapon contractors with our tax dollars beyond comprehension:
    "The price tag for the remote control drone war keeps rising," explained Jefferson Morley in his Salon column. "Americans are paying an extra $100 million a month because of the drone war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, according to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta."

    (http://www.salon.com/2012/06/19/dron...lio/singleton/)

    There is no justification for U.S. drone attacks which have terrorized the residents of the region by randomly killing children and civilians in Afghanistan as well as patrol soldiers on the border of Pakistan.

    Meanwhile, as unemployment and poverty rises and as more and more cities go bankrupt such as Scranton, Pennsylvania, (http://www.businessinsider.com/scran...r-wages-2012-7) where firefighters and police workers' earnings were slashed to the minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, as climate change disasters sweep the country, leaving crops barren from droughts, and as wildfires consume entire communities and forests, as electrical power outages from hurricane force winds during the hottest summer on record create more burdens and suffering for Americans, the Pentagon and White House team came up with another brilliant idea to increase the wealth of contractors: they approved of more spending, an estimated $200 billion for thousands of surveillance drones that will be used to illegally spy on Americans. "US taxpayers will have invested about $11.8 billion on a single drone among many, (Reapers) (http://www.knowdrones.com/DRONE-FAQ.pdf). It's hard to be sure what the exact cost figures are-but between the drone wars and domestic drones-it adds up to billions of dollars.

    So in addition to the drone wars, taxpayers will spend billions of dollars more on drones used to spy on us-while an estimated 6 million children go hungry every night in this country, and while public services, fire and police departments are slashed because there is no money to support them.(http://www.politicolnews.com/domesti...draws-critics/)

    Raising taxes won't fix our economy when we have a huge perpetual leak (weapon contracts) in the ship that is draining the country dry, when we have mismanagement of tax dollars that serve the top 1 percent at the expense of the entire country.

    This is what happens when politicians have the power to spend money that doesn't belong to them. Certainly if the surveillance drone allocation were put to the voters, it would be flatly rejected. Spending billions of dollars on drones in the middle of a dire economic depression is not only immoral, when our tax dollars are supposed to be used for public services to improve the well-being of our lives, it's also as unconstitutional and as un-American as it gets.

    Spying on American citizens presents a clear and present danger to the Rule of Law. When a government intrusively spies on its citizens, it is called a totalitarian state. Just as President Bush claimed unlimited and unchecked power, President Obama has also adopted the same extremist position by opting to ignore the surveillance laws pertaining to the FISA court. ¹

    Regarding the question of abuse of executive power, it's worth repeating the question that Sen. Russ Feingold asked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, January 31, 2006:

    "Does the president...have the authority, acting as commander in chief, to authorize warrantless searches of Americans' homes and wiretaps of their conversations in violation of the criminal and foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) statutes of this country?"

    Gonzales dodged the question, but we know that a president does not have that authority. Furthermore, there is nothing reasonable about spying on every single citizen. If we still had a functional system of checks & balances, Bush would have been impeached for committing high crimes and misdemeanors. But Congress only impeaches presidents for lying about sex affairs.

    Illegal surveillance is far more threatening to citizens of this country than trumped up threats of terrorism. A few days ago, Naked Capitalism reported that "Drone pilots may practice spying activities by tracking civilian cars." The feds have absolutely no constitutional right to invade the privacy of our homes or to track civilian cars without our consent. That's beyond illegal, it's creepy and perverted. (Drone Pilots May Practice by Tracking Civilian Cars, and More) (http://truth-out.org/news/item/10214...-cars-and-more)

    Under the Fourth Amendment, all searches, whether conducted with or without a warrant, must be "reasonable".

    Spying on everyone is not reasonable. (http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/domestic-drones) It is, as Glenn Greenwald expressed it, "wholly antithetical to the system of government under which Americans have lived for more than two centuries." In addition to tapping our phone conversations and tracking our internet interests, from the books we buy to the movies we watch to the organizations and blogs that we visit, the president approved of sending thousands of drones into the airways that will be used to spy inside our homes at the cost of billions of tax dollars. They can follow us from room to room, listen to what we're saying, they can photograph us, and they can send all the information collected directly to the NSA (National Security Agency). Perhaps the drones will capture millions of pictures of starving American children squeezing ketchup packages for food?

    The U.S. government is systematically violating our privacy in ways that we can't even begin to fathom, given the technology. Our privacy is the most sacred freedom of all freedoms: The right to privacy, as Justice Louis D. Brandeis said, is to be left alone.

    Ironically, we are paying for their criminal surveillance activities with our tax dollars. Shouldn't our tax dollars be used for climate change disaster preparation instead of drones, which would create thousands of jobs and would help save lives? What about the 6 million starving children in this country? What about funding to support our police, fire and postal departments? No money for our public workers, but plenty of billions for unnecessary and illegal drones and the expansion of drone wars in the Middle East.

    1. Constitutional lawyer and author, Glenn Greenwald, summarized the critical and important functions that the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) court plays. Notice the word "foreign" - such operations were never supposed to be used domestically on every single American:
    "FISA's truly meaningful check on abuse in the eavesdropping process is that the president is prevented form engaging in improper eavesdropping because he knows that every instance of eavesdropping he orders will be known to a federal judge-a high-level judicial officer who is not subject to the president's authority and whose constitutional duties are separate from the president's."
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    Recommended Reading:
    How Would A Patriot Act? / Defending American Values from a President Run Amok by Glenn Greenwald
    With Liberty and Justice for Some / How the law is used to destroy equality and protect the powerful by Glenn Greenwald
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1Townie View Post
    Lol tell me more about tracking. How do they track the said smart phones??
    Too long to cut & paste

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    More fucking handouts isn't going to fix the problem. Get off the tit and move to where the jobs are like north Dakota and Wyoming.
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    If you need proof, go drive thru a rural Indian reservation
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerinWstuff View Post
    More fucking handouts isn't going to fix the problem. Get off the tit and move to where the jobs are like north Dakota and Wyoming.
    YES! Entire communities are popping up in the gas/oil/energy industry, and the supporting infrastructure around it. They need workers badly.

    Yes it sucks, but if you must, resort to doing hard labor (agro, food, construction, janitorial, whatever), until you can get on your feet and find better. If you have a bunch of kids because you're too stupid to use birth control, or you have some major criminal offense, then no sympathy, fuck all y'all. *heartless*

    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerinWstuff View Post
    If you need proof, go drive thru a rural Indian reservation
    Proof of what? What's going on there?
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    Proof that handouts do not fix poverty
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosty View Post
    YES! Entire communities are popping up in the gas/oil/energy industry, and the supporting infrastructure around it. They need workers badly.
    Actually, most of those towns are full, and turning people away since there's no place for them and they're sick of trailers and tents and communities of people living out of cars that are springing up everywhere.

    And, if you're part of the extreme poor, how, exactly, are you supposed to be able to afford to pick up and move your family across the country? How do you even get one of those jobs while out of state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerinWstuff View Post
    Proof that handouts do not fix poverty
    Reservations have almost no real educational systems, no real jobs, nothing but a cycle of poverty that gets worse every generation.

    So, you're right, handouts won't work, we need to build a better infrastructure in order to get people to climb out of poverty, and we need an economy that's adding jobs and empowering education--both on the reservations and all across our country.

    But main point wasn't the poverty, it's the over-use of drones and the lack of controlling legislation to protect our privacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Actually, most of those towns are full, and turning people away since there's no place for them and they're sick of trailers and tents and communities of people living out of cars that are springing up everywhere.

    And, if you're part of the extreme poor, how, exactly, are you supposed to be able to afford to pick up and move your family across the country? How do you even get one of those jobs while out of state?
    I say BS.

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    People sailed the ocean with a nickel in their pocket for opportunity and no certainty of a job ahead.

    All excuses of the weak and scared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerinWstuff View Post
    People sailed the ocean with a nickel in their pocket for opportunity and no certainty of a job ahead.

    All excuses of the weak and scared.
    Right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Reservations have almost no real educational systems, no real jobs, nothing but a cycle of poverty that gets worse every generation.

    So, you're right, handouts won't work, we need to build a better infrastructure in order to get people to climb out of poverty, and we need an economy that's adding jobs and empowering education--both on the reservations and all across our country.

    But main point wasn't the poverty, it's the over-use of drones and the lack of controlling legislation to protect our privacy.
    Bullshit. They have schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerinWstuff View Post
    Bullshit. They have schools.
    http://www.nativevillage.org/Message...0ignorance.htm

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    Plenty of materials available for homeschooling where there may not be a formal school. There'll always be a long list of excuses or you could find a way to get it done.

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    Put two people alone in the woods. One will find a way to build a shelter, a fire, and find food, while the other whines and bitches about being cold and hungry.
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    Ummm..... guys what are guys bitching about?? Poor rez kids and their families? You guys understand they sont HAVE to live there right? Also they can go to public school.

    Btw i was being a smartass about the how do they track you with smart phones. I already know... i use the legal ways. We have talks on repo forums about how to track people. I was being that way because i was being talked to like i was a idiot. Something to do with being a tin hat wearing bunker living physico for not using plastic to buy my guns. Lol. Or was it ammo. I dont really remember. And dont care.

    As for the topic at hand. Everyone should be outraged about the government using drones on us soil. Also the money for them could be better spent. How about using that billions of dollars in other areas? Maybe kweping nasa open. There are more ways of helping people then just giving them hand outs.

    Also those oil jobs. You dont have to live there to work them. I know a few people that fly out for those jobs. Same with fishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #1Townie View Post
    Something to do with being a tin hat wearing bunker living physico for not using plastic to buy my guns. Lol. Or was it ammo. I dont really remember. And dont care.
    Speaking of, today on CNN, here is an actual real backwoods bunker psycho. Sick lazy trash gave up on life, went survivalist, then killed his family before offing himself. Another coward, like the animal abusers.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/13/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2
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    I fucking hate people.

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