buzzardman, I was trying to think about what you expected out of a Police Officer. The problem was, I didn't think that you flat out don't want cops period. So why don't you move? If we are such an inconvenience to your life, and we do absolutely nothing for you, then go live somewhere that doesn't have cops, law, or a Government at all. It's not like we're stopping you.[/QUOTE]
You're speaking to a former chief of police. You also don't get that I'm not heartless to anyone who has suffered from a DUI drivers offenses. I'm Also not saying there shouldn't be LEO's and it should be total anarchy. I'm saying that most every other criminal offense, a LEO has to have reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is being, or will be commited by that individual (sound familiar). So I do not think law enforcement should have the right to stop every single vehicle and impeed their freedoms to move about the country legally, just to check for DUI's. I'm stating that the gov. should not have the right to treat every citizen as if they are a criminal, until they are proven innocent which is exactly what DUI check points do. Our justice system is actually the exact opposite in which you are (should be) treated innocent until proven guilty(seems you probably don't agree with that).
I also believe that DuI drivers and Drug influenced drivers should get thier car crushed at a scrap yard, minimum one year mandatory jail term, 15 thousand dollar fine and 5 yrs driving suspension for the first offense. You make the laws stiffer and people will still break them, but a lot less people will be willing to chance it. Also, the gov. wouldn't have to threaten it's citizens with this punishment,,,trust me, the knowlege would be well known throughout the land.
As far as telling me to move if I don't like your entry level cop mentality and perspective. Your still spoken like a true gov. agent that thinks you should be able to bully anyone who disagrees with you. I had officers that worked for me in my dept. that felt that way too. They also failed to realize they (you) work for and with us citizens, not above us. They didn't last long. The goal should be community policing, not marshal law across the land.
We can argue this all day long the only difference is that I have no problem disagreeing with you and still not suggesting you move or any other such idiotic nonsense!
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The traffic light example wasn't very similar. A similar example is back 15 yrs ago before debit pay at the pump, you used to be able to pump your gas then go in and pay. Then they changed it to pre pay because of the ppl running without paying. Just like the DUI checks, I understand what the reasoning is behind it, but basically the gas stations changed their policies which more or less accused everyone of being non-trustworthy. I had a hard time adjusting to that one. Thankfully it wasn't too long and pay at the pump arrived. 
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