So you guys dont do business with companies that would rather not have people walking around with guns on their hips? Even places that sell alcohol? Like Wild Wings?
So you guys dont do business with companies that would rather not have people walking around with guns on their hips? Even places that sell alcohol? Like Wild Wings?
Not quite correct. A business can ask you to leave at any time for any reason, as it's private property (unless their reason would violate EEOC discrimination standards). They do not need to see your weapon, nor do they have to state the reason for asking you to leave. If you choose to remain, you can be charged with Criminal Trespass in the 3rd degree. You are correct that signs posted by private entities carry no weight of law, nor can signs posted by governmental agencies restrict CCW beyond what is laid out in CRS 18-12-214, however they can restrict open carry in public buildings.Originally Posted by Grim2.0
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I fully believe in and support the right to open carry, but I choose not to do so myself. If I am carrying for the purpose of defending my life and the lives of my family, I don't want the alert my potential attackers to my armed status and give up the tactical advantage that CCW affords. If they know that I am armed, it is likely that they will immediately escalate to potentially lethal violence, rather than simply taking my wallet/watch/phone and leaving me alone. As mentioned before, a firearm is the absolute last resort, used only to prevent the loss of life or prevent serious injury. Stuff can be replaced.
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You already know the answer, so what is the purpose of your question?
Alcohol has nothing to do with anything, The Alamo sells alcohol and nobody had an issue with me "having a gun at my hip" as you so eloquently put it. Jim n Nicks serves alcohol but nobody had an issue with it. In Colorado you are allowed to consume an alcoholic beverage while carrying you just cannot be intoxicated.
That's two different questions:
1. I choose to support companies that support my rights and the rights of others. So say, Chick-fil-a is out for their adamant opposition to equal marriage.
2. It's illegal to posses a firearm under the influence of alcohol or another drug. If you think at all you might have a drink, you don't carry.
Yes you are right but if they do not see it then there is no reason for them to do so (or so we would think). Thanks for the clarification though it is important.
Ok, I get the reason for the list but are you saying that some days you are going to carry it and others you are not going to? That just doesnt make sense to me. Its like you are commited to carrying it, so much that you wont do business with companies that would rather you not open carry in their establishments but then the next day just dont feel like carrying.
I guess I have just always felt that people that open carry in the city are just looking for either attention or drama while stating that they are exercising their rights.
I only asked Grim 2.0 because logic may allow you to understand that a place that sells alcohol should be given a little more leniency given that most people do not like to mix the two, especially sports bar type places. Say half the room has people that have guns and the other half is drunk, make any sense? You could even take it further and say that "family" type places would maybe feel its better to ask people to leave them in their car.
And since its one of your rights, how about you go drink a beer while open carrying... That should be fun.
And also, I believe the correct wording on the law is "under the influence of alcohol or drugs". Dont quote me on that one but "under the influence" may get a little blurry to the cops if you only had one beer 30 minutes ago. I would guess that drinking a beer may fall under the definition of under the influence since there would be a provable amount of alcohol in your system.
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I fully see where you are coming from and you are right there are people who do it for the "badassery look" if you will. I cant speak for those people but I know a few of them, I also have my CCW so i can choose to practice either one. The reason i open carry is because sometimes it gives those around you a sense of security as well as it gives it to myself, my wife and someday my daughter (when she comprehends it). It is also so for those places i visit regularly are used to seeing me and most know i am almost always carrying whether they can see it or not. As a sheriff told me once: "thank you for exercising your rights, because of people like you who open carry whether you know it or not it helps limit crime, someone may have been planning something until they saw you". There is no way to predict what could or could not happen but his statement put a smile on my face and he could be right. Human nature is you see a gun and ---- i know this is a person by person basis but it hold true. Like i said before i have gotten a few positive remarks which engage in a friendly conversation, and who doesn't like that unless you name is Townie??
I don't carry during the week because i literally go to work then go home and my massive 3 mile commute is not very "threat" worthy in my mind. I have other means of defense at my office should i need them.
Jim I thought you were open carry when I brought my bike in. Maybe not, I am getting old. I sort of disagree with you about open carry warning someone in to instant escalation. I think it REALLY makes someone do a double check when they see the open carry. Seeing that weapon is a huge deterrent IMO. Sounds like you have put a lot of thought into it though.
Why should leniency be given? if people cannot be adults and manage to be responsible enough to know what their limit is while drinking to make responsible decisions then maybe they should not drink? Now we both know that is a ridiculous thing to try and regulate so we wont get into that, but If i am open carrying it sure as hell wont be in a busy bar because you are right you don't know what is going through the mind of a drunk idiot and it may not be the best of scenarios. The places I have been and will go are more family oriented that serve alcohol so its a good medium, i wont be open carrying in a toys R us as yes that may make parents uneasy or uncomfortable. My list is that of places where its more appropriate, i am not going out on a limb here going to day cares or overcrowded bars i am just posting those everyday places that some may find themselves wondering if it accepted or not.
Good points though!
Can you cite the law or reference it stating "open carry" is against the law in the City of Denver? I'm curious as this is the first I've heard that open carry is illegal in Denver proper. What I understood is that IF you open carry (legal firearm, not one thats banned in Denver proper) AND someone calls the police on you because of you open carrying the police will cite you for "disturbing the peace" or something like that... You won't be cited for "open carry".... Now I'm not advocating doing this nor do I know this for fact... This is what I've heard from various NON-legal types but avid gun owners.
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Well... Hmm... Just dont forget how many people it makes feel uncomfortable. Matter of fact, I have never felt safer when someone has a visible gun but thats just me.I fully see where you are coming from and you are right there are people who do it for the "badassery look" if you will. I cant speak for those people but I know a few of them, I also have my CCW so i can choose to practice either one. The reason i open carry is because sometimes it gives those around you a sense of security as well as it gives it to myself, my wife and someday my daughter (when she comprehends it). It is also so for those places i visit regularly are used to seeing me and most know i am almost always carrying whether they can see it or not. As a sheriff told me once: "thank you for exercising your rights, because of people like you who open carry whether you know it or not it helps limit crime, someone may have been planning something until they saw you". There is no way to predict what could or could not happen but his statement put a smile on my face and he could be right. Human nature is you see a gun and ---- i know this is a person by person basis but it hold true. Like i said before i have gotten a few positive remarks which engage in a friendly conversation, and who doesn't like that unless you name is Townie??
I don't carry during the week because i literally go to work then go home and my massive 3 mile commute is not very "threat" worthy in my mind. I have other means of defense at my office should i need them.
I guess I am just scratching my head at the decision between CCW and open carry. I dont know another single person that would rather open carry in the city vs. concealed.
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That's your way of thinking holmes, it is what it is, besides your definition of "city and my definition of "city" may not be the same. If it were legal to open carry in Denver and i were downtown i would not. to me that is city and i would not feel comfortable doing so.
THANKS!!!!! Wow! very interesting... I had no idea. I've always heard that open carry is legal even in Los Angeles....
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You should boycott Denver?
What about "Denver Metro Area"?. My point is that in the sticks its more of a way of life. The way someone may have been raised. In the suburbs its a whole different story.
I really cant believe that you would rather open carry over CCW.
different strokes for different folks. Why are you so against open carrying?You should boycott Denver?
What about "Denver Metro Area"?. My point is that in the sticks its more of a way of life. The way someone may have been raised. In the suburbs its a whole different story.
I really cant believe that you would rather open carry over CCW.
I think its a nuisance and an unnecessary act in the metro areas. ESPECIALLY when given the option to conceal. I just cant think of one single reason that someone would open vs conceal.
On top of that, and I know that you have been commended about your open carry, but even a month ago while in Colorado Springs two cops that were at the motorcycle rally made comments about a guy that was open carrying. They were in no way applause for doing it.
I say save yourself the possible grief and put it under your shirt. No list of places that you have to boycott, no unnecessary attention to you and your family, no one judging you blablabla.
Honestly "I want to" and "because I can" just arent good enough reasons for me. The only sort of understandable reason, and its a small sort of, is if you for some reason cant get a CCW but can carry and really have a direct reason (like the crips want to kill you).
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Open carry seems to make people feel uncomfortable. I carry my duty weapon for my job everyday, and it is after all a military base, however you would not believe the complaints we get from people about them not feeling comfortable with us running around with M4/M9. It's a lot of political non-sense, I could only imagine how much attention open carrying would garner off base.
With that being said, I do have a CCW permit, and do carry concealed on some occasions. I fully support people who open carry, but personally feel a little more at ease with people that conceal carry because at a minimum you know they received SOME kind of training. But to each their own, exercise your rights if you mist but doing it responsibly is probably the best bet for our future rights as legal carrying citizens.
To me your reasons are not good enough for me to not exercise my right to open carry, and your opinions are just that. Agree to disagree but this thread in no way pertains to you or benefits you so thanks for the input but I will continue to carry on smartly.
He's just trolling bro.
And thats what makes this country bad ass. You can do whatever you want within the law. Down side, like guambra2001 said. You might be your own worst enemy because when more people start doing it and there is more noise because of it then they will tighten down and like Denver take it away. We are way minority when it come to being allowed to open carry (in comparison to the rest of the country).
Have fun open carrying with your CCW in your pocket
And thats what makes this country bad ass. You can do whatever you want within the law. Down side, like guambra2001 said. You might be your own worst enemy because when more people start doing it and there is more noise because of it then they will tighten down and like Denver take it away. We are way minority when it come to being allowed to open carry (in comparison to the rest of the country).
Have fun open carrying with your CCW in your pocket
Still haven't learned what carry on means I see. It's ok maybe someday you will but as I said your "opinion" is yours and just that. You can continue to keep typing just know you are wasting your time.
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